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Hi everyone has anyone sent in an update letter? Not sure if UVM likes them.
 
Are there other in-state applicants lurking on this thread? Are you, like me, obsessively refreshing your inboxes? I looked back at last year's thread and it was approximately this weeks that IS offers started to go out.
 
VTNon-Trad said:
Are there other in-state applicants lurking on this thread? Are you, like me, obsessively refreshing your inboxes? I looked back at last year's thread and it was approximately this weeks that IS offers started to go out.
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I think decisions are typically released on Friday, and they said "before Christmas"
I'm thinking we'll hear Friday, if not Monday!
 
I interviewed yesterday, which was great they are very nice and make the process pleasant, but they told us we shouldn't expect to hear anything until end of January at the earliest. They reminded us that their may be a lot of people on the waitlist, with the chance of coming off throughout the cycle, and that this Friday is their last main day in the office until the new year.

Best of luck everyone!!
 
Gorgu said:
I interviewed yesterday, which was great they are very nice and make the process pleasant, but they told us we shouldn't expect to hear anything until end of January at the earliest. They reminded us that their may be a lot of people on the waitlist, with the chance of coming off throughout the cycle, and that this Friday is their last main day in the office until the new year.

Best of luck everyone!!
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Was this for IS students, OOS or both (regarding the end of January timeline)
 
Gorgu said:
I interviewed yesterday, which was great they are very nice and make the process pleasant, but they told us we shouldn't expect to hear anything until end of January at the earliest. They reminded us that their may be a lot of people on the waitlist, with the chance of coming off throughout the cycle, and that this Friday is their last main day in the office until the new year.

Best of luck everyone!!
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Also interviewed yesterday and just want to echo that everyone representing UVM was lovely! Even through some Zoom difficulties in my group, they were very communicative and reassuring to all of us. The MMI scenarios felt fair (though definitely deep and thought-provoking) and all the reps/students seemed very passionate about the school and what they stand for.
 
Current M1 here, ama! Congrats to everyone who has gotten an interview/been accepted so far. Feel free to tag me in here for everyone to see or to DM me. This is a fantastic school, the faculty is amazing and supportive, and I would not want to be anywhere else. Happy to speak on anything UVM-related or Burlington/Vermont related.
 
mmchick said:
Current M1 here, ama! Congrats to everyone who has gotten an interview/been accepted so far. Feel free to tag me in here for everyone to see or to DM me. This is a fantastic school, the faculty is amazing and supportive, and I would not want to be anywhere else. Happy to speak on anything UVM-related or Burlington/Vermont related.
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Thanks for coming onto this thread! I was wondering what the medical student's role looks like once you start gaining clinical experience through Doctoring in Vermont and clerkships (I know you probably can't give a firsthand view of M3 clerkships yet though). At some other schools, I know that the medical teams are well defined so their medical students end up mostly shadowing rather than contributing to hands-on work. How does it look based on what you've seen so far? How do interactions look like with attendings, residents, PAs, and NPs?
 
rep_the_don said:
Thanks for coming onto this thread! I was wondering what the medical student's role looks like once you start gaining clinical experience through Doctoring in Vermont and clerkships (I know you probably can't give a firsthand view of M3 clerkships yet though). At some other schools, I know that the medical teams are well defined so their medical students end up mostly shadowing rather than contributing to hands-on work. How does it look based on what you've seen so far? How do interactions look like with attendings, residents, PAs, and NPs?
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Hey there - yea definitely going to be difficult to give you an answer about clerkships, considering we've got another year before even approaching that and also with COVID this year, we haven't had many in-person interactions with attendings/residents outside from our few in-person classes with instructors and some hands-on training with ultrasounds etc. We start DIV next semester; from my understanding of how COVID things are shaping up in Vermont, we'll likely do some of that remote beginning of the semester, and hopefully with adequate vaccine distribution in VT, be going in person to our assigned clinics later in the spring - I'll have to wait on that before I get an answer for you..

What I can say however, is based on my one experience shadowing a surgery earlier this semester, it was me and a M3 who was on a clerkship rotation and I noticed the 2 surgeons + resident going out of their way to include her as much as possible with what they were doing, explaining/quizzing her etc. and even let her do some hands-on stuff (tie small sutures, make small cuts, etc). Most of my interactions with any faculty or physicians at UVM have been nothing but inclusive, friendly, and welcoming. They've always bent over backwards to let you dig in as much as you want to and I can see clerkships easily translating into lots of hands-on in that aspect. Lastly, in the beginning of our semester, we have what's called "doctoring skills" which is basically patient interaction/interview skills with a standardized patient, and in my understanding, that is taken pretty seriously so that once you start clerkships, you can be fully expected to interview patients on your own fully + story narration to your attending/resident as another way to make sure you're actively involved rather than just a passive member of audience.

Hope that helps!
 
For those accepted if you wouldn't mind posting your stats or Lizzy M score, it would be very helpful for those who have been WL or those who are interviewing to see how good their chances are and to make a decision on whether they will stay on the WL or not. Help your fellow applicants and future colleagues out.

Also, I'm sure this is a small percentage of applicants (hopefully), but don't be that person with 10 offers holding them until the final possible moment. If you've been accepted at your top choice, don't hold up 9 spots that could easily go to a hopeful applicant, at schools where they might only have had 1 total interview offer and by someone holding 10 acceptance slots, which could virtually eliminate that candidates chances of having even one offer.

Lastly, for those on the WL, be patient. This is an unconventional application cycle by any measure. I suspect that the chances of getting accepted off the WL at any school this year will be high. Why? The AAMC (falsely) claimed that there was an 18% increase in applications this year, and the media ran with this narrative, LOL, but it's not true.

This does NOT mean that there were 18% more people applying (in fact, fewer people applied this year). This just means that the same number of people who applied (compared to last year, total unique applicants were actually down not up), just applied to more schools.

What this means for everyone is that it's the same 100-200 people with perfect stats who applied to all 151 medical schools (yes, some people do this, unfortunately (check out passport admissions who shared that story), and who are likely going to hold up everyone else's admission slots. Hopefully, schools will quickly realize this as their yields plummet this year compared to last, and accept candidates off the WL a lot sooner than later, and don't have highly qualified candidates waiting until the summer. There was even one school that had this happen last year, and they even had to interview well into the summer when they didn't have enough students in the class. So just be patient. It's a long process. Good luck to everyone still waiting.
 
guest2000 said:
For those accepted if you wouldn't mind posting your stats or Lizzy M score, it would be very helpful for those who have been WL or those who are interviewing to see how good their chances are and to make a decision on whether they will stay on the WL or not. Help your fellow applicants and future colleagues out.

Also, I'm sure this is a small percentage of applicants (hopefully), but don't be that person with 10 offers holding them until the final possible moment. If you've been accepted at your top choice, don't hold up 9 spots that could easily go to a hopeful applicant, at schools where they might only have had 1 total interview offer and by someone holding 10 acceptance slots, which could virtually eliminate that candidates chances of having even one offer.

Lastly, for those on the WL, be patient. This is an unconventional application cycle by any measure. I suspect that the chances of getting accepted off the WL at any school this year will be high. Why? The AAMC (falsely) claimed that there was an 18% increase in applications this year, and the media ran with this narrative, LOL, but it's not true.

This does NOT mean that there were 18% more people applying (in fact, fewer people applied this year). This just means that the same number of people who applied (compared to last year, total unique applicants were actually down not up), just applied to more schools.

What this means for everyone is that it's the same 100-200 people with perfect stats who applied to all 151 medical schools (yes, some people do this, unfortunately (check out passport admissions who shared that story), and who are likely going to hold up everyone else's admission slots. Hopefully, schools will quickly realize this as their yields plummet this year compared to last, and accept candidates off the WL a lot sooner than later, and don't have highly qualified candidates waiting until the summer. There was even one school that had this happen last year, and they even had to interview well into the summer when they didn't have enough students in the class. So just be patient. It's a long process. Good luck to everyone still waiting.
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Uh yikes. No one has to do anything. Not only are the responses going to be subject to reporting bias but SDN isn't even a proper sample size. If we are going to tell people what to do with their decisions then I suggest not looking into the whole numbers game as we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. I got a WL decision too and yeah it sucks but our apps are in and there's not a lot of change that can happen now.
 
Looking at the MSAR, and I know this year will be different, but 150-200 people go on it. 50 get off. MSAR says there is a high priority waitlist. My WL email just said I was on the list of "waitlist/qualified candidates", so that doesn't sound very high priority to me, but maybe they do not release that info. I wondered if any other emails said anything different?..
 
en_al_zo said:
Looking at the MSAR, and I know this year will be different, but 150-200 people go on it. 50 get off. MSAR says there is a high priority waitlist. My WL email just said I was on the list of "waitlist/qualified candidates", so that doesn't sound very high priority to me, but maybe they do not release that info. I wondered if any other emails said anything different?..
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In my interview they said no high-priority waitlist this year, just a general pool.
 
en_al_zo said:
Looking at the MSAR, and I know this year will be different, but 150-200 people go on it. 50 get off. MSAR says there is a high priority waitlist. My WL email just said I was on the list of "waitlist/qualified candidates", so that doesn't sound very high priority to me, but maybe they do not release that info. I wondered if any other emails said anything different?..
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At my interview, they told us that they are not utilizing a high priority waitlist this year - everyone waitlisted is just on the same normal waitlist.
 
guest2000 said:
For those accepted if you wouldn't mind posting your stats or Lizzy M score, it would be very helpful for those who have been WL or those who are interviewing to see how good their chances are and to make a decision on whether they will stay on the WL or not. Help your fellow applicants and future colleagues out.

Also, I'm sure this is a small percentage of applicants (hopefully), but don't be that person with 10 offers holding them until the final possible moment. If you've been accepted at your top choice, don't hold up 9 spots that could easily go to a hopeful applicant, at schools where they might only have had 1 total interview offer and by someone holding 10 acceptance slots, which could virtually eliminate that candidates chances of having even one offer.

Lastly, for those on the WL, be patient. This is an unconventional application cycle by any measure. I suspect that the chances of getting accepted off the WL at any school this year will be high. Why? The AAMC (falsely) claimed that there was an 18% increase in applications this year, and the media ran with this narrative, LOL, but it's not true.

This does NOT mean that there were 18% more people applying (in fact, fewer people applied this year). This just means that the same number of people who applied (compared to last year, total unique applicants were actually down not up), just applied to more schools.

What this means for everyone is that it's the same 100-200 people with perfect stats who applied to all 151 medical schools (yes, some people do this, unfortunately (check out passport admissions who shared that story), and who are likely going to hold up everyone else's admission slots. Hopefully, schools will quickly realize this as their yields plummet this year compared to last, and accept candidates off the WL a lot sooner than later, and don't have highly qualified candidates waiting until the summer. There was even one school that had this happen last year, and they even had to interview well into the summer when they didn't have enough students in the class. So just be patient. It's a long process. Good luck to everyone still waiting.
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I get what you're saying dawg, but you shouldn't ask people what to do with their acceptances. I understand it can be frustrating to wait and be uncertain of your future, but people with multiple acceptances have earned the right to do what they want and take as long as possible to come up with the best decision for themselves/family. Don't advise people to fuel your own interests, it's bad practice. I interviewed recently and when I receive my decision, I will take it in stride, whether it's a waitlist offer or an acceptance. Congrats to everyone accepted and hopefully those waitlisted hear a decision they like from this school or others!
 
JustChi1lmyguy said:
I get what you're saying dawg, but you shouldn't ask people what to do with their acceptances. I understand it can be frustrating to wait and be uncertain of your future, but people with multiple acceptances have earned the right to do what they want and take as long as possible to come up with the best decision for themselves/family. Don't advise people to fuel your own interests, it's bad practice. I interviewed recently and when I receive my decision, I will take it in stride, whether it's a waitlist offer or an acceptance. Congrats to everyone accepted and hopefully those waitlisted hear a decision they like from this school or others!
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To clarify, I am not advising what anyone should do with their acceptance unless you have plenty to spare and one is your top choice. If you read my post carefully, I clearly stated that if you have 10 acceptances, and have been accepted to your top choice, there's no reason to hold 9 additional seats unnecessarily when one of those can go to an equally qualified candidate, especially if one of those candidates only had that one interview and is their only chance of an acceptance this cycle.

Fueling my own interests? Far from it. You're making erroneous assumptions and do not know what my interests are, sorry.

It's not bad practice to advocate for as many qualified candidates to gain admission into medical school. It is bad practice to call people "dawg."

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Uh yikes. No one has to do anything. Not only are the responses going to be subject to reporting bias but SDN isn't even a proper sample size. If we are going to tell people what to do with their decisions then I suggest not looking into the whole numbers game as we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. I got a WL decision too and yeah it sucks but our apps are in and there's not a lot of change that can happen now.
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You clearly didn't read the post carefully. I stated if you've already been accepted to your top choice, know that you're going there, there is no need to hold 9 additional offers that could go to other candidates.
 
Maybedoc1 said:
WL. VT native, UVM alumni, (OOS now though), LM 72, half URM, Scorpio and interviewed on 9/14.

What's wild is that I got into a top 30 school in a place that I have zero connection to. This process is so random.
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The being a Scorpio got you the WL

Just playing! Yes I agree though this process is so random
 
Waitlist, OOS, interviewed late October. From what people have been posting it looks like no one from OOS got an A today? Maybe this is the normal process for us OOSers.
 
mmchick said:
Hey there - yea definitely going to be difficult to give you an answer about clerkships, considering we've got another year before even approaching that and also with COVID this year, we haven't had many in-person interactions with attendings/residents outside from our few in-person classes with instructors and some hands-on training with ultrasounds etc. We start DIV next semester; from my understanding of how COVID things are shaping up in Vermont, we'll likely do some of that remote beginning of the semester, and hopefully with adequate vaccine distribution in VT, be going in person to our assigned clinics later in the spring - I'll have to wait on that before I get an answer for you..

What I can say however, is based on my one experience shadowing a surgery earlier this semester, it was me and a M3 who was on a clerkship rotation and I noticed the 2 surgeons + resident going out of their way to include her as much as possible with what they were doing, explaining/quizzing her etc. and even let her do some hands-on stuff (tie small sutures, make small cuts, etc). Most of my interactions with any faculty or physicians at UVM have been nothing but inclusive, friendly, and welcoming. They've always bent over backwards to let you dig in as much as you want to and I can see clerkships easily translating into lots of hands-on in that aspect. Lastly, in the beginning of our semester, we have what's called "doctoring skills" which is basically patient interaction/interview skills with a standardized patient, and in my understanding, that is taken pretty seriously so that once you start clerkships, you can be fully expected to interview patients on your own fully + story narration to your attending/resident as another way to make sure you're actively involved rather than just a passive member of audience.

Hope that helps!
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Thanks for your thorough response! That sounds really promising that the faculty and physicians at UVM are welcoming for students to dig in and get hands-on medical experience.
 
@mmchick

I was wondering how UVM has been handling distribution and prioritization of the COVID vaccine for medical students? Have M3/M4s been able to receive it, and where are M1/M2s on the priority order? Thank you so much once again!
 
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