2020-2021 Waitlist Support Thread

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People say this every year. It's not really true. The movement seems significant when you are not involved, adequate when you get the call, and otherwise practically nonexistent.

Honestly, as someone watching with interest from the sidelines for the third year in a row, this year is totally following the pattern of past years. There was a big wave the first two weeks of May. It did slow down last week, entirely as predicted, and as it does every year after the initial surge. It will continue, at a progressively slower pace, right into and through schools' CTE deadlines and up until orientation.

This happens EVERY YEAR. This year is no different. Just go back and look at all the happy people, on this thread as well as on the school specific threads, who reported success from the end of April through this past week. Multiply that by whatever multiplier you think is appropriate to arrive at the true number of WL calls so far. And, it's not over yet, although the initial surge caused by the 4/30 deadline to reduce to one A has now passed.

What did not happen was the huge surge of WL movement caused by schools being conservative with initial As due to a fear of acceptance hoarding facilitated by virtual interviews that some people were speculating might happen. Otherwise, every year people say that movement feels like it is less than prior years. If this were actually true, there would be no movement at all after all these years of less and less movement every year. 🙂

Hang in there. At this point, I'd give it another week and then start preparing for a reapplication if you have not been taking the very prudent advice of the most conservative adcoms among us (I'm looking directly at you @gonnif 🙂) and been doing so from the moment you hit the "submit" button last May.
What about the schools that have had no movement at all so far and have said that they will look at the waitlist in June? Do schools like this usually have less movement overall?
 
What about the schools that have had no movement at all so far and have said that they will look at the waitlist in June? Do schools like this usually have less movement overall?
Waitlist movement starts at a school when excess seats are depleted. It generally continues until school starts, though the offers tend to slow over time. If a school has miscalculated the number needed to fill and is still hoping to deplete excess, there may be no waitlist movement at all.
 
Is there a bit of a “wave” of acceptances around the CTE dates?
If you want to call it that. It's not nearly as big as what happened around 4/30, since it won't involve literally hundreds, if not thousands, of people simultaneously dropping multiple As.

Remember, the only people holding multiple As at that point will be people on extensions from a recent A, or people holding As at schools that don't require use of PTE. There aren't a ton of them, but they do exist, and the CTE deadline is their moment of truth.

To the extent they are out there (and there are few enough of them that every school won't have them among their PTE ranks), when the CTE deadline rolls around and every PTE does not convert, schools will immediately go to their WLs. It's spread out, since CTE dates are as well, so it's not an obvious wave, but, to the extent it exists, you'll see movement within a few days of a school's CTE deadline.

After that, the only movement at a school will be last minute emergency withdrawals, because reneging on a CTE to be called off another WL is pretty rare, and a big no-no, so, while it's technically possible, it's not really a thing.
 
What about the schools that have had no movement at all so far and have said that they will look at the waitlist in June? Do schools like this usually have less movement overall?
Believe me, it's not that they are sitting on vacant seats and just taking their sweet time. It's that they are fully enrolled, or even over enrolled, but they are telling you to sit tight because they know from past experience that movement can still occur if they lose people to other WLs.

There is no "usually" here, because it varies school to school and year to year as yields change depending on exactly how many initial As were issued, and to who.
 
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I’m rooting for you all, hang in there
 
I know I may sound less relatable being from the other side with my A now
But I want everyone to know my DMs are open to talk about anything

It’s easier said than done, but please try to take care of yourself
I’ve been in your shoes and everything is so hard to do sometimes when you’re waiting such as getting up, eating, exercising, socializing, and sleeping etc.

But it can help to do smaller tinier things of those activities such as drinking a little bit of water throughout the day, going out for a 15 min walk, or talking to a loved one about this frustration you may have of this process (if you feel comfortable of course)

One thing that I believe everyone regardless of where they are can benefit from is mindfulness activities
In our ever ending world of constant stimulation and gratification it can feel very calming to bring yourself back to the present
During my wait I found myself focusing on mindfulness meditation for 5-10 minutes really allowed me to provide perspective on all of this
Just focusing on the breath going through my nostrils into my chest and also feeling how it leaves my body through an exhale really helped a lot and if anyone here is cool with that, please try as you might find some calming feelings with it

Although I know it may not solve any problems you have now, it might help in giving you all a distraction from this worry driven wait

If anyone wants more information on mindfulness activities, check out this: Mindfulness - Headspace
There’s also tons of resources available from a quick Google search

Love ❤️
- SuperSpies
 
Hi everyone, I was just waitlisted at the only school I interviewed at so I'm really counting on this - I want to try (obviously) to improve my chances as much as possible, I'd like to ask my PI from my gap year research position to write an extra LOR and I'll submit it through AMCAS and everything to make sure it doesnt seem sketchy, but I'm hearing conflicting things on whether or not this will help, or if it's worth it. I'm happy to do anything even if it's not guaranteed to help, I mainly dont wanna hurt my application. any advice?
 
Hi everyone, I was just waitlisted at the only school I interviewed at so I'm really counting on this - I want to try (obviously) to improve my chances as much as possible, I'd like to ask my PI from my gap year research position to write an extra LOR and I'll submit it through AMCAS and everything to make sure it doesnt seem sketchy, but I'm hearing conflicting things on whether or not this will help, or if it's worth it. I'm happy to do anything even if it's not guaranteed to help, I mainly dont wanna hurt my application. any advice?
I was advised to do something similar by a medical school dean and decided to go through with it. I added a new letter from a clinical volunteering director that I did not previously have a letter from and sent it to two t20 schools. I don't know how much impact it really had, but I was accepted off of the waitlist at both schools that I sent it to. I'd check with the school's policy about post-interview communication and updates, both schools I sent it to welcomed post-interview communication. Also, remember n=1, someone else might have done the same thing and not have gotten off of the waitlist.
 
I think you should be aware that many med students cannot afford the tuition, which is why med school loan existsnice
I was advised to do something similar by a medical school dean and decided to go through with it. I added a new letter from a clinical volunteering director that I did not previously have a letter from and sent it to two t20 schools. I don't know how much impact it really had, but I was accepted off of the waitlist at both schools that I sent it to. I'd check with the school's policy about post-interview communication and updates, both schools I sent it to welcomed post-interview communication. Also, remember n=1, someone else might have done the same thing and not have gotten off of the waitlist.
Will they be notified of the LOR? Or would it be more direct to send it to one of their emails
 
I know this is a verrrry subjective question, but I am trying to retake a 510 (ORM, upward trend but mediocre gpa). If I am trying to aim 517+, would you guys say 3 months are sufficient? Also any recommendation on how to study 😳 any good third party full lengths?
 
I know this is a verrrry subjective question, but I am trying to retake a 510 (ORM, upward trend but mediocre gpa). If I am trying to aim 517+, would you guys say 3 months are sufficient? Also any recommendation on how to study 😳 any good third party full lengths?
In my personal opinion if you got a 510 and your knowledge base is still strong I'd take a FL and gauge where I am. For me I started studying a month ago and my mcat is in a month. I've been scoring 507-508 on Altius and aiming for 515.
 
In my personal opinion if you got a 510 and your knowledge base is still strong I'd take a FL and gauge where I am. For me I started studying a month ago and my mcat is in a month. I've been scoring 507-508 on Altius and aiming for 515.
Appreciate you for thinking that my knowledge base is strong 🥲🥲🥲 u guys r my source of ✨strength✨. Anyway, thank you for the solid advice, I will look into Altius!
 
I know this is a verrrry subjective question, but I am trying to retake a 510 (ORM, upward trend but mediocre gpa). If I am trying to aim 517+, would you guys say 3 months are sufficient? Also any recommendation on how to study 😳 any good third party full lengths?
I was in the same boat! I was forced to study in 3 weeks full time though due to $$ concerns. I think hammering in the AAMC official stuff is most important and efficient. They tend to repeat themselves, as I saw on my exam. Ended up hitting ur score criterion
 
I know this is a verrrry subjective question, but I am trying to retake a 510 (ORM, upward trend but mediocre gpa). If I am trying to aim 517+, would you guys say 3 months are sufficient? Also any recommendation on how to study 😳 any good third party full lengths?
I personally liked NextStep/Blueprint the best out of all the ones I tried. I felt like the questions were most similar to the real ones I encountered.
 
I know this is a verrrry subjective question, but I am trying to retake a 510 (ORM, upward trend but mediocre gpa). If I am trying to aim 517+, would you guys say 3 months are sufficient? Also any recommendation on how to study 😳 any good third party full lengths?
I went from 510 to 520 on practice exams in about 8 weeks using AAMC material and drilling some content I wasn't as strong on in my Princeton science workbook
I also liked Next step/Blueprint but keep in mind that the score is going to look lower than how you'd score on an AAMC FL! Like idk for others but a lot lower for me LOL
 
I went from 510 to 520 on practice exams in about 8 weeks using AAMC material and drilling some content I wasn't as strong on in my Princeton science workbook
I also liked Next step/Blueprint but keep in mind that the score is going to look lower than how you'd score on an AAMC FL! Like idk for others but a lot lower for me LOL
Yeah same the low scores freaked me out a lot haha
 
I know this is a verrrry subjective question, but I am trying to retake a 510 (ORM, upward trend but mediocre gpa). If I am trying to aim 517+, would you guys say 3 months are sufficient? Also any recommendation on how to study 😳 any good third party full lengths?
Yes, it is verrrrrry subjective! 🙂 It totally depends on you, where you are starting from, and how quickly and efficiently you can go. No one can know whether 3 months will be too much, too little, or just right for you. You'll know when you start, see where are you, and see how quickly and by how much you are improving.

I used Altius because they ran a special when I needed them. Next Step (now Blueprint) also always received high reviews. Other than them, anyone is fine. Just keep in mind that 3rd party scores tend to be deflated, so don't focus on the nominal 517+. Instead, focus on the amount of improvement from where you start. Also, I HIGHLY recommend UWorld if you didn't already use it. Good luck!!!
 
Yes, it is verrrrrry subjective! 🙂 It totally depends on you, where you are starting from, and how quickly and efficiently you can go. No one can know whether 3 months will be too much, too little, or just right for you. You'll know when you start, see where are you, and see how quickly and by how much you are improving.

I used Altius because they ran a special when I needed them. Next Step (now Blueprint) also always received high reviews. Other than them, anyone is fine. Just keep in mind that 3rd party scores tend to be deflated, so don't focus on the nominal 517+. Instead, focus on the amount of improvement from where you start. Also, I HIGHLY recommend UWorld if you didn't already use it. Good luck!!!
Agree with what many people said on that it's very subjective

Just wanted to add more about UWorld
I thought the P/S section was great. It really allowed me to hammer in the concepts and had great explanations. If that's a section you'd want to improve I highly recommend that and the 89 page P/S document that floats around the MCAT reddit every now and then.
I would say for P/S at least, if you're able to go through UWorld and read the 89 page P/S document a couple times for each and understand both of them, hitting a 130+ on that section should be very possible

There's also some great anki decks on the MCAT reddit that are awesome in forcing some fundamentals that I think help a lot in terms of quickly remembering concepts come the exam (for the science sections), which in turn will save you time.
 
I’m on 4 WL and I spent the last few weeks waiting for an acceptance. I felt disheartened because my stats led me to believe that I’d get in somewhere since I applied very broadly (519, 3.88). When I got 5 interviews, I applied the 3 II’s = 1 A rule and assumed I was safe for this cycle. Well... not so fast, haha. This process has a way of humbling you real quick. 🙃

It took me a lot of thinking and soul searching over the past few weeks to accept the reality that the time has come for me to reapply. I finally opened AMCAS 2022 yesterday and sent my transcript over. I’ve been working on adjusting my activities descriptions and coming up with a better personal statement. I’m meeting my school’s advisor to go over my new application tomorrow. Oddly, I’m now feeling very optimistic and not defeated about reapplying. I’ve gotten a few hundred hours of medical employment and over a thousand hours of community service this gap year (I’ve been working as an Americorps member). I’m a much better candidate this time around than I was last year, straight out of undergrad. Not sure if this helps anybody, but I felt so much better when I came to terms with the reapplication and finally started working on it.
 
I’m on 4 WL and I spent the last few weeks waiting for an acceptance. I felt disheartened because my stats led me to believe that I’d get in somewhere since I applied very broadly (519, 3.88). When I got 5 interviews, I applied the 3 II’s = 1 A rule and assumed I was safe for this cycle. Well... not so fast, haha. This process has a way of humbling you real quick. 🙃

It took me a lot of thinking and soul searching over the past few weeks to accept the reality that the time has come for me to reapply. I finally opened AMCAS 2022 yesterday and sent my transcript over. I’ve been working on adjusting my activities descriptions and coming up with a better personal statement. I’m meeting my school’s advisor to go over my new application tomorrow. Oddly, I’m now feeling very optimistic and not defeated about reapplying. I’ve gotten a few hundred hours of medical employment and over a thousand hours of community service this gap year (I’ve been working as an Americorps member). I’m a much better candidate this time around than I was last year, straight out of undergrad. Not sure if this helps anybody, but I felt so much better when I came to terms with the reapplication and finally started working on it.
Bro r u me?? We have like the same stats... im still very demoralized and am having a hard time coming to terms with reapp. My app got a little bit better but I didn’t really pick up much nonclinical volunteering which may hurt me.. idk its still rlly hard for me to break out of my funk. I walk around all day moping and hoping for an acceptance to end my misery. Ik its unhealthy but i cant help it
 
Bro r u me?? We have like the same stats... im still very demoralized and am having a hard time coming to terms with reapp. My app got a little bit better but I didn’t really pick up much nonclinical volunteering which may hurt me.. idk its still rlly hard for me to break out of my funk. I walk around all day moping and hoping for an acceptance to end my misery. Ik its unhealthy but i cant help it
When I applied last cycle, I was figuring things out on the fly and improvising. Like, I didn’t know **** about primaries, secondaries, interviews all of that... all while preparing for my MCAT (which I took in June of last year) and finishing up my undergrad thesis etc. remotely. It was a lot. Like I didn’t even know if I was gonna have a good enough MCAT to apply!! And I still managed to do it! I think of the ways I’ve really grown this year in terms of the app but also otherwise. I moved back home due to COVID disrupting our dorms, managed to live with my toxic ass parents, and set a workout routine which I basically never had in undergrad. While I’m obviously sad I couldn’t get in, I realize that I’m in a MUCH BETTER position this time around. I’ve gained a lot of knowledge about this process along the way which I never had last year. I’ve identified potential areas of weakness like perhaps not having a strong enough “narrative” or story in my PS, or perhaps not coming off as personable in my interviews. I’m researching alternate careers. I’ve been thinking of writing the LSAT because law school doesn’t have interviews 😂😂 and I can try to pass off my hard science degree as an interest in patent law LMAO. I decided to cut my losses and get excited for the future and get working once again — no matter how demoralized I had been feeling! Imma just hold off on putting any schools on my AMCAS until July 1 though because still holding out that tiny sliver of hope and don’t want to spend another 3 thousand dollars if I don’t have to 🤣
 
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Bro r u me?? We have like the same stats... im still very demoralized and am having a hard time coming to terms with reapp. My app got a little bit better but I didn’t really pick up much nonclinical volunteering which may hurt me.. idk its still rlly hard for me to break out of my funk. I walk around all day moping and hoping for an acceptance to end my misery. Ik its unhealthy but i cant help it
Now that it's the end of May, to try to channel your energy into something healthy, I'd reach out to every school that sent me a R to see if they'd be willing to share feedback, and to every WL to see if they'd be willing to share visibility. I'd also focus on CTE deadlines, because those really will be indicative of realistic final-final deadlines for WL movement at your schools. Working on a reapp will also distract you, even if you don't file it until you know it is necessary.

JMHO. I'm not such an upbeat optimist in real life, but I do make a concerted effort to not waste energy on moping around or other unproductive pursuits.
 
Have people had success with this? I'm thinking a school wouldn't want to discuss this with you if you still have an active application.
Agreed. The reaching out to WLs to seek visibility referred to visibility on chances of being called off WL, not feedback on weaknesses in application.
 
I was advised to do something similar by a medical school dean and decided to go through with it. I added a new letter from a clinical volunteering director that I did not previously have a letter from and sent it to two t20 schools. I don't know how much impact it really had, but I was accepted off of the waitlist at both schools that I sent it to. I'd check with the school's policy about post-interview communication and updates, both schools I sent it to welcomed post-interview communication. Also, remember n=1, someone else might have done the same thing and not have gotten off of the waitlist.
Thank you! can I ask if you went through amcas or had your recommender send it right to the school or both? I dont want to submit it myself because I dont want to seem sketchy but I want to make sure they see it
 
I’m on 4 WL and I spent the last few weeks waiting for an acceptance. I felt disheartened because my stats led me to believe that I’d get in somewhere since I applied very broadly (519, 3.88). When I got 5 interviews, I applied the 3 II’s = 1 A rule and assumed I was safe for this cycle. Well... not so fast, haha. This process has a way of humbling you real quick. 🙃

It took me a lot of thinking and soul searching over the past few weeks to accept the reality that the time has come for me to reapply. I finally opened AMCAS 2022 yesterday and sent my transcript over. I’ve been working on adjusting my activities descriptions and coming up with a better personal statement. I’m meeting my school’s advisor to go over my new application tomorrow. Oddly, I’m now feeling very optimistic and not defeated about reapplying. I’ve gotten a few hundred hours of medical employment and over a thousand hours of community service this gap year (I’ve been working as an Americorps member). I’m a much better candidate this time around than I was last year, straight out of undergrad. Not sure if this helps anybody, but I felt so much better when I came to terms with the reapplication and finally started working on it.
Some of the strongest med students at know at tippy top Med schools needed to reapply or got in off WL last min! Don’t give up hope!
 
How could we go about asking about visibility?
I dunno. Maybe say that as Memorial Day approaches you are hoping they might see their way clear to giving you a realistic appraisal of your chances of being called off the WL so you can meet external deadlines to make a decision regarding your plans for the upcoming year? They'll probably tell you to sit tight if they haven't told you anything so far, but, maybe a kind soul will show you some mercy and give you a peek into where you stand. It's certainly not unreasonable to ask.
 
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