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Just my opinion but anyone willing to live in Tyler should not claim unable to live in Temple. 🙂
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They actually leave to Dallas after year 1 at A&M if Dallas is assigned. Only Houston location is after 3rd semester in the middle of year 2. I talked to someone in July from Dallas and they said they already met the second years who showed up in Dallas.
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I don't anyone wants to go to Tyler, we're just chasing free tuition lol.
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And I never did, I’ve actually been very vocal about being happy in temple on this thread.
Also the two cities are very different and in different parts of Texas. I’ve never spent much time in temple which is why I want to visit it. I’d like to actually experience something rather than make preconceived notions about the city, which is why I think scheduling a tour there is way more valuable than Houston.
It’s the same thing with Tyler. People hear East Texas and immediately think the city is in poor condition even though most people have never stepped foot in East Texas.
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I was aiming it at @hadv3r but it applies to everyone who might be comfortable going to Tyler. In theory there are students who only want to live in cities while others do like smaller university town vibe. Tyler and Temple will have some thing common which is being in a new school. Temple is not going to be free so that is a big difference, i.e., people are willing to live in Tyler since it comes with a big financial incentive.
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Temple is kinda cool, honestly with the way the world is going in terms of cost of living and remote work, I see a lot of people (not in medicine) moving to the outskirts of cities and making commutes. That likely means that these smaller cities are going to see substantial growth.
If you really think about it, temple is about an hour out from Austin. There are probably a lot of people being pushed out of Austin right now due to HCOL looking to relocate to cities like temple.
As someone who lives in North Dallas, it takes me about 45 minutes to get to deep ellum or downtown when I want to party or enjoy city life.
Another example is living in Conroe and commuting to Houston when you get sick of suburbia.
It’s not the same as actually LIVING in the city but you won’t really miss out if you don’t want to. It isn’t the middle of nowhere at all and you have pretty easy access to whatever you want granted you have a car.
Also there’s a buc-ee’s in temple!
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As a medical student, you really wont have a lot of time on your hands to worry about commute, going somewhere to enjoy or spend time. I would have said during classes you will have some and you get breaks but the new structure of one year curriculum, you truly wont have a lot of free time or too many days off. People who live medical schools try to live as close as possible unless they have homes and family and are trying to save money. Even then I have seen people living in Pearland which is very close to medical center actually rent a place at least for an year while attending Baylor or UTH close to medical center after staying home during classes. Some of the rotations like medicine and surgery only give you one day off a week and many are in the wards 12-14 hours a day. The primary difference I can see is that one can attend a concert or a ballgame living in Houston or Dallas if and when they can.
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This isn't true. For natives, UTT means a lot (besides just free tuition). This region is really struggling with physician shortages and healthcare access. I have seen it my entire life. We really need help and being passionate about East Texas communities will be the cornerstone of the school's success. I know this is the Baylor thread so I apologize for veering off-topic but I did want to clarify that UTT is a desirable school for many and not everyone is chasing the free tuition.
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When do you hear from admissions? Can you have more than one school admission in Texas via JAMP?
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Do you rank where you want to go before prematch? What is the selection process?
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If you’re referring to Baylor (temple and Houston). They said that you’d indicate your preference (Temple, Houston, No Preference) about a month after the match.
I’d assume this wouldn’t be different for JAMP kids as it’s an internal Baylor process and separate form TMDSAS. Could be wrong though.
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No, my question was specific to @annajh about JAMP ranking process as to how they get to a single admission.
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So you rank all the 11 schools and schools rank all the students in return to get a single match per student? It is more like a residency match.
I would think Baylor will send some JAMP students to Temple and it is possible some would want to go to Temple too.
Hi All! I am a Baylor MS4 involved with admissions. I hope it's okay if I post here, but I wanted to give you all a chance to ask any questions you may have about the new campus or anything else. I was seeing some info that isn't quite right, so I would be happy to clarify. I do understand how the uncertainty about location is unnerving and I would be happy to do my best to give you as much information as possible to make your ranking decisions.
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What does the typical lunch look like for a med student at Baylor?
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@BCM4Ever Thanks for doing this - can you start with correcting comments you have seen that are not quite right?
There is a lot of speculation, like always when there's something new.
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Isnt it whatever you pack in your lunchpail?
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My mama said she's cutting me off in 2023 🙁
I'm on a telemedicine rotation so today my partner and I got Good Dog Houston 😎
During preclinical there are tons of restaurants near the med center that are amazing. Basically pick your cuisine and you got it. I ate out... a lot. During clinics it was basically coffee and gummy bears (or some other kind of snack), whatever my attending bought for us, or something my partner meal prepped.
I read through them all and will address the ones I remember, but let me know if I miss anything!
Baylor being a gunner school - this one made me sad. My classmates are amazing, collaborative, and awesome to be around. We really do try to pass resources around the class and then down to the classes below us. However, the students here are naturally really hard workers who tend to push themselves. Some faculty also expect a lot from us, so you do have to be on your game. I was a very average (leaning toward below average) student, but I do think Baylor kicked my butt in a good way. We also do try to acknowledge mental health issues and talk about our failures. So that can really make it easier to hear your classmates are feeling the same way you do. Med school is hard, but you'll be around other students who really make things better. I've made some of my best friends here and my classmates are very supportive in general. I don't feel like it's a competitive environment, but we do work hard.
Campus selection - For the TMDSAS match, you will rank one school. Then in March (I believe) you will have the option to enter your preferences into our lottery system. The options are Houston, Temple, or No Preference. Only 40 people will go to Temple though so 186 will still be in Houston. The exception is that all MSTP students will be in Houston. There is an appeal process, but it will limited to very specific circumstances. Because we are part of the match system we unfortunately can't give campus location beforehand, but we do want to try our best to send you where you want to be.
Expressing interest in one campus - since it is a lottery this probably won't make a difference. I understand wanting one campus or another so I don't hold it against anyone when they interview. I can't say how other interviewers do things. If you would absolutely hate living in one location then I would consider the possibility of going there when ranking us. I will say that both Houston and Temple have their pros and cons. I highly recommend you guys look into Temple because it really is awesome for so many reasons.
Temple in general - the opportunities there are a lot more robust than people expect. Texas A&M students who are now baylor residents have a lot of great things to say about rotating there. I know people who lived there as students and residents but bought houses or just paid ridiculously little for rent. As for support, the dean of students in Temple is really an amazing person. He had us out there for a tour and brought us to his house and told us he hopes he can really build a strong community of medical students. So you will have a ton of support from him and other faculty there. They are excited about students and it's definitely more of a community vibe, but you will still have access to fantastic training.
Rotations - to my knowledge we do not plan on designating where you rotated at all. So I can't imagine program directors or residency interviewers would give preference to one campus or another. All of your core rotations will be at your assigned campus, but we are hoping you will be able to take electives in either location.
Open Houses - we'd love for you to come check us out and learn more, but it does not impact your application in any way. So if you can't make it please don't stress about it. Socials are the same. Totally optional and for your benefit. I do recommend checking out Temple though. Right now it's resident ambassadors so that is a good place to make connections. My visit there really changed my perspective on the entire campus in a good way.
The Mean People at the Open House - please don't come here. You won't fit in. This is a career of service. Kindness and empathy are essential to being a good physician.
Socials - The socials are student run and the people who run it are an MS4 applying for residency and an MS3 who is on their core rotations. They are really busy, so we do apologize if you only get the zoom link the day before! If you don't have a link by the day of, please reach out to the email listed on the RSVP form (the same one you email for late RSVPs). Also, these are one million percent optional.
Baylor being a gunner school - this one made me sad. My classmates are amazing, collaborative, and awesome to be around. We really do try to pass resources around the class and then down to the classes below us. However, the students here are naturally really hard workers who tend to push themselves. Some faculty also expect a lot from us, so you do have to be on your game. I was a very average (leaning toward below average) student, but I do think Baylor kicked my butt in a good way. We also do try to acknowledge mental health issues and talk about our failures. So that can really make it easier to hear your classmates are feeling the same way you do. Med school is hard, but you'll be around other students who really make things better. I've made some of my best friends here and my classmates are very supportive in general. I don't feel like it's a competitive environment, but we do work hard.
Campus selection - For the TMDSAS match, you will rank one school. Then in March (I believe) you will have the option to enter your preferences into our lottery system. The options are Houston, Temple, or No Preference. Only 40 people will go to Temple though so 186 will still be in Houston. The exception is that all MSTP students will be in Houston. There is an appeal process, but it will limited to very specific circumstances. Because we are part of the match system we unfortunately can't give campus location beforehand, but we do want to try our best to send you where you want to be.
Expressing interest in one campus - since it is a lottery this probably won't make a difference. I understand wanting one campus or another so I don't hold it against anyone when they interview. I can't say how other interviewers do things. If you would absolutely hate living in one location then I would consider the possibility of going there when ranking us. I will say that both Houston and Temple have their pros and cons. I highly recommend you guys look into Temple because it really is awesome for so many reasons.
Temple in general - the opportunities there are a lot more robust than people expect. Texas A&M students who are now baylor residents have a lot of great things to say about rotating there. I know people who lived there as students and residents but bought houses or just paid ridiculously little for rent. As for support, the dean of students in Temple is really an amazing person. He had us out there for a tour and brought us to his house and told us he hopes he can really build a strong community of medical students. So you will have a ton of support from him and other faculty there. They are excited about students and it's definitely more of a community vibe, but you will still have access to fantastic training.
Rotations - to my knowledge we do not plan on designating where you rotated at all. So I can't imagine program directors or residency interviewers would give preference to one campus or another. All of your core rotations will be at your assigned campus, but we are hoping you will be able to take electives in either location.
Open Houses - we'd love for you to come check us out and learn more, but it does not impact your application in any way. So if you can't make it please don't stress about it. Socials are the same. Totally optional and for your benefit. I do recommend checking out Temple though. Right now it's resident ambassadors so that is a good place to make connections. My visit there really changed my perspective on the entire campus in a good way.
The Mean People at the Open House - please don't come here. You won't fit in. This is a career of service. Kindness and empathy are essential to being a good physician.
Socials - The socials are student run and the people who run it are an MS4 applying for residency and an MS3 who is on their core rotations. They are really busy, so we do apologize if you only get the zoom link the day before! If you don't have a link by the day of, please reach out to the email listed on the RSVP form (the same one you email for late RSVPs). Also, these are one million percent optional.
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@BCM4Ever Are you applying for residency this year? How do you see some people with a step1 score vs others without a score at BCM going to work out? Someone mentioned 20% of applicants will have no score.
Did the administration say why the lottery for everyone if some people are truly interested in Temple?
Did the administration say why the lottery for everyone if some people are truly interested in Temple?
I am! So we honestly don't know yet how things will work. It sounds like basically everyone is just switching their focus to step 2. I've gotten a decent amount of interviews in moderately competitive specialty and I just have a pass for Step 1.
I hope our word choice isn't confusing. It is the student's preference that matters, but not everyone will necessarily get their number 1 choice. So that is where the "lottery" comes in. If you are truly interested in Temple and rank it number 1, you will probably go there. We expect most people will prefer Houston for now, but we hope we have a good number who will choose Temple. The goal is to expand the class and provide an alternative to Houston. We definitely aren't trying to force people into going somewhere they don't want to be.
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Good luck with your interviews! It sounds like p/f on Step 1 didn't affect your chances at places where your cohorts with a score may be also be applying.
The real question on the choice is why not allow students to make these requests before match day so rest can determine whether it is a 20% chance or much lower now that many spots have already been filled? If you are reading people's views here, it is pretty clear that is weighing on a lot of people's minds on how they decide to rank the match list. So campus selection after being admitted seems to be biggest issue for most people who only want to be in Houston.
Let's hope that's the case, but we will see how the rest of interview season goes!
And I definitely understand the concern. I am much closer to where you guys are, so I can totally get not wanting to rank us over somewhere that is guaranteeing you a spot in a certain location. I know there was a student who advocated for telling people campus preference beforehand, but ultimately the administration made the decision to do it this way. It sounds like they thought that would give unfair preference to prematch offers and they wanted to put everyone on the same playing field. I'm sorry, but I do hope you guys still consider Baylor!
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Please tell admissions that Thiccy's (they know who I am) first choice is still Baylor regardless of campus. Those Duke kids may be mean to me, but I still have hope.
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How tf
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Will still be considering Baylor because honestly out of all of my interview days y’all were the friendliest/had the best vibes. I really appreciate the lengths the students and faculty took to address my concerns. I didn’t get any gunner vibes at all. looks like an awesome program and I’d be happy going to either houston or temple as there are ample opportunities to succeed.
What goes into BCM's decision to put certain people at Temple? Is it their background? Stats? Specialty of interest? I'm assuming the school doesn't pick 40 random people to go to Temple.
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From what I’ve seen, it is random. Students will rank Houston or Temple, and a match will take care of the rest.
Right, but a match system means that BCM will rank the accepted applicants too. I'm wondering what criteria they use to do so.
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Oh I wasn't aware they would rank us. I legitimately thought it was a lottery match if that makes sense
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From what I understood during the interview day and open house, if 40 people indicate temple is their preference and the other 186 say they want to go to Houston then everyone gets what they want.
If 10 people say they want to go to temple and 216 say they want to go to Houston. They will pull from the houston roster to fill the other 30 seats.
What information they use to determine who they pull I’m not sure. They did kind of mention fit a little bit and trying to place people where they would be happy. Not sure if they gauge that from your application or interview or wherever.
Yeah, on my interview day they mentioned wanting people with an entrepreneurial spirit at the Temple campus to help it get established, but who knows how much that will matter in the end, and how do you determine if someone is the entrepreneur type anyway? I really wish it was more transparent because I have to consider my spouse here as well and he would struggle to find employment in a smaller town like Temple 🙁
That makes me so happy to hear! We really do try to make interview day a great experience, but it is student run so I always worry about how the applicants are feeling afterward!
So I don't know the exact details on our plan. I think we are still nailing down the specifics. It will mostly be determined the lottery, but there have been discussions about wanting to review the list of students going to Temple. I apologize, but I don't have details on what they're looking for.
I'm not sure what field your spouse is in, but one of the situations that allows you to request an appeal of the campus assignment is "Non-temporary employment of a spouse" (link below). I also would check out Temple for job opportunities. They're one of my top choices for residency and my partner has a pretty specialized job, but there are several places in the area that have postings that we are trying to target. Waco is 37 minutes away and Austin is about ~1 hour away. We might have to work out a commute, but we were surprised we had as many options as we do.
Obviously, it would be a joint decision for you both, but just some things to consider!
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Another 4th year going on a soap opera here. If you ask during interviews, everyone will say their school is collegial and everyone gets along (hint: some schools are more relaxed than others). The truth is that med schools largely support everyone to succeed. Baylor has great policies on time off, mental health, and facilitating a culture of community.
One key thing overlooked by many applicants is how are clinics graded? For Baylor, we are largely an evaluation-based system for grades (shelf scores / standardized patients count - but aren't weighed as heavily). Compare this to schools where you need to score 80th+ percentile on the shelf to honor.
This translates to our specific stress during rotations is largely trying to impress our evaluator for the best subjective grade. The evaluation system coupled with the fact that our clinics are graded Honors / High Pass / Pass, creates an environment where many feel the need to look better than the other students rotating -- even though you're graded against the historical average and not the specific rotators with you.
Compare this to schools where people blow off their clinical duties because they need to focus on the shelf and spend all their time stressing about UWorld / question banks. Neither system is perfect. For me, the evaluation system helped me better space out my studying and I had no issues with the shelf exams.
But usually, the clinical rotations, and how admin reacts to student concerns are the 2 main determinants of how students get along. And to a much lesser degree, the type of students a school recruits.
No insight on the ongoing Temple discussion in this thread.
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Thank you for the detailed answer. It sounds like JAMP students are already prepared for residency match!
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Went to the Texas State Fair today (this is the typical Baylor student lunch btw)!
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You broke Texas rule #1…. Never put ketchup on a corn dog. I have forwarded this to Baylor ADCOMS. Automatic rejection Thiccy.
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He got a sample of one student and claiming epidemiology for Baylor student lunch. Auto elimination from all statistical research.
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Anyone know when we might get some love from BCM?
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Usually in November
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thanksgiving love
Would the same hold true for OOS applicants who have interviewed?
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Sorry, I don’t know the answer to that
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Baylor used to be on AMCAS and they always announced their first list around thanksgiving, sometimes just before and sometimes after. Since they were on AMCAS it counted as for everyone and not IS vs OOS. They also did not participate in the match. What this meant was that a person could hold a school admission in Texas under TMDSAS after match but also continue to keep Baylor admission until May 1st.
They moved to TMDSAS last year but did not change their announcement dates to match with tmdsas earliest prematch dates. Unless they do things differently this year, it is expected to be sometime in November and they will announce both IS and OOS early admissions at the same time. The IS students are bound by match date while OOS students won't be.
