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My partner got a full ride (tuition and cost of living) prematch at 4:36 CST and I got a prematch at 5:12 CST. We both interviewed 10/8 😭😭😭😭
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lonestarapplicant said:
Man I'm so gutted, I feel like its a soft R since I interviewed really early and didn't hear anything today knowing how prematch heavy UTSW is
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please don't say "Soft R" on the first day of prematch offer release. It's the first day of offers, not the last.
 
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MercifulCamper said:
My partner got a full ride (tuition and cost of living) prematch at 4:36 CST and I got a prematch at 5:12 CST. We both interviewed 10/8 😭😭😭😭
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Congratulations to all the folks who prematched or were accepted OOS today! What a feeling to have your incredibly hard work rewarded this early in the acceptance portion of the cycle!!

To those who haven't heard anything, try not to sweat it and focus on the positives in your life. It can help to write a note to yourself about the things you're grateful for. Please don't let the cycle get you down at this early stage. You all got this!
 
skeptastic said:
Congratulations to all the folks who prematched or were accepted OOS today! What a feeling to have your incredibly hard work rewarded this early in the acceptance portion of the cycle!!

To those who haven't heard anything, try not to sweat it and focus on the positives in your life. It can help to write a note to yourself about the things you're grateful for. Please don't let the cycle get you down at this early stage. You all got this!
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thanks for the kind words skep!
 
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MercifulCamper said:
My partner got a full ride (tuition and cost of living) prematch at 4:36 CST and I got a prematch at 5:12 CST. We both interviewed 10/8
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Dang talk about power couple congrats to y’all and everyone else who prematched!!
 
texasvandy said:
Any of the prematches from interviews in October and last week of September?
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I interviewed Sept. 24th - one of my interviewers thought they’d send out updates October 28 - November 4th so the prematch seems to be earlier than they expected
 
Does anyone know if accepting this offer on the AMP portal locks you in, or if it is what we are supposed to do? The instructions on the portal are not really clear on if we are supposed to accept the offer today or in february? Or maybe this is my low CARS score manifesting irl....
 
skywalker2 said:
Does anyone know if accepting this offer on the AMP portal locks you in, or if it is what we are supposed to do? The instructions on the portal are not really clear on if we are supposed to accept the offer today or in february? Or maybe this is my low CARS score manifesting irl....
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Accepting a pre-match offer is non-binding—do it ASAP! 🙂
 
Anyone know any students here willing to talk about their experiences? I know a few who’ve told me how chill the environment is but it seems like the online reputation is that students are more stressed out/hyper competitive than at other medical schools.

I know it’s all subjective but I’m looking to hear as many opinions as possible! Also if anyone else wants to get together to kind of think about this school together and compare information please shoot me a message!
 
randompremed457 said:
Anyone know any students here willing to talk about their experiences? I know a few who’ve told me how chill the environment is but it seems like the online reputation is that students are more stressed out/hyper competitive than at other medical schools.

I know it’s all subjective but I’m looking to hear as many opinions as possible! Also if anyone else wants to get together to kind of think about this school together and compare information please shoot me a message!
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My understanding is that UTSW’s student culture has changed significantly in the last ten years. In 2015 they switched to a new curriculum + teaching model, and my friends at UTSW now are really happy with the curriculum and their classmates.

www.utsouthwestern.edu

Medical education goes 'new school' with curriculum

The new realities of medicine demand a different kind of medical education, and UT Southwestern Medical School will debut a revised curriculum in the fall of 2015 designed to better train students to be knowledgeable, confident, and forward-looking.
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Here's another article about the "new curriculum" (which is now 7 years old haha) that highlights specifics that they changed to foster more of a collaborative and supportive environment:

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Students quickly advancing through integrated medical curriculum

Katherine Pouns and Reed Macy, co-Presidents for the Class of 2019, will always remember their first day of instruction at UT Southwestern Medical School.
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If UTSW is our first and only prematch - do we accept the offer? It recommends responding within 2 weeks. It probably isn't my top choice so I would rank others ahead of it during the match.
 
cluelesscarl said:
If UTSW is our first and only prematch - do we accept the offer? It recommends responding within 2 weeks. It probably isn't my top choice so I would rank others ahead of it during the match.
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Accepting isn't binding! 🙂 You can accept now but rank differently later. I think general advice is to accept everything you are prematched to unless you REALLY don't want to go there.
 
cluelesscarl said:
If UTSW is our first and only prematch - do we accept the offer? It recommends responding within 2 weeks. It probably isn't my top choice so I would rank others ahead of it during the match.
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All offers must be accepted unless uninterested in school. You decide which is number 1 for you in Texas during the matchlist submission in February.

If not accepted within the given time, the offers are rescinded.
 
Hi all is this accepted students visit the same thing as second look? I am confused because in the email they say there is an official second look in February but the dates offered are clearly beforehand.
 
MercifulCamper said:
Hi all is this accepted students visit the same thing as second look? I am confused because in the email they say there is an official second look in February but the dates offered are clearly beforehand.
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No, 2nd look asks everyone admitted to show up at the same time.
 
doctorjohnson said:
For those holding As, how do y'all feel about UTSW in terms of culture/reputation/student wellness...? Apparently it's known to be a competitive "cut throat" environment (they even addressed this during the interview) but perhaps the culture has changed over the years.
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We discussed this a bit further up the thread. Check some of the links we posted.
 
doctorjohnson said:
Posting a bit late but got a prematch offer last week (was in the first interview group)

For those holding As, how do y'all feel about UTSW in terms of culture/reputation/student wellness...? Apparently it's known to be a competitive "cut throat" environment (they even addressed this during the interview) but perhaps the culture has changed over the years.

Also, in terms of school prestige + competitive residencies, how does UTSW's national reputation stack up against other schools in the #15-#40 bracket? Would it be worth it to go vs. a school ranked like 30 or 35 just for the prestige boost or is it kind of a wash after you cross the t20 line?
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UTSW match list is usually very good. It is public information and they have an archive for the past several years to check. So you have to ask where a competitive environment if one exists, affects you if students are able to match well?

Medical school processes have changed quite a bit in the last 3 years so nothing you read about a medical school environment can make a lot of difference in 4 years when you apply for residency.

1. You are required to pass your classes. Whether other students are cut throat or not, it all comes down to you (there is some controversy at the moment and you should find a thread about a student being thrown out trying to sue the school - key words UTSW, complaints).
2. Step 1 is pass/fail which means people may not be working too hard so less stress for this phase
3. Step 2 CS has been eliminated so one less test
4. Only step 2 CK counts - this again is all on you (UTSW wrote a letter to 2020 admittees bragging that their step 2 scores are better than step 1 so UTSW will fare even better)
5. Rotation grades can usually determine your class rank and these are fundamentally tied to luck of the draw in terms of who is grading you during specific rotations and how you get along with the attendee. How well you do on step 2 CK will prove how wrong your rotation grades are (your grades can be great but step 2 is low or vice versa).
6. If you score 230 on step 2 and apply for neurosurgery and dont get in, it is on you and not the school.
7. UTSW is a top notch research school. People applying from here will have done other things besides just attend classes, do rotations and take the Steps. They all work on other accomplishments to be showing great resumes. It is upto you to figure out early on what you want to be and enhance your resume in that area.
 
If we interviewed in August & didn’t get an early pre-match, are we doomed? Ofc I know it’s not a good sign, but idk if I should invest my hope if the % is v low, ya know? Ik this isn’t the case for most schools, but I’m having trouble finding a person who interviewed early and got a match/late pre-match at UTSW. Someone give me the cold truth please.
 
wsian said:
If we interviewed in August & didn’t get an early pre-match, are we doomed? Ofc I know it’s not a good sign, but idk if I should invest my hope if the % is v low, ya know? Ik this isn’t the case for most schools, but I’m having trouble finding a person who interviewed early and got a match/late pre-match at UTSW. Someone give me the cold truth please.
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I'm in the same situation as you. Of course it's still possible to prematch later or even match in March, but looking at previous threads I think that's unlikely w/ utsw being so prematch-heavy. It seems to me that most if not all of the later prematches were for post-Oct 15 interviews. Don't feel too down though! The cycle is only halfway done
 
wsian said:
If we interviewed in August & didn’t get an early pre-match, are we doomed? Ofc I know it’s not a good sign, but idk if I should invest my hope if the % is v low, ya know? Ik this isn’t the case for most schools, but I’m having trouble finding a person who interviewed early and got a match/late pre-match at UTSW. Someone give me the cold truth please.
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You still have lots of time to get in and if it’s your fave, rank it #1.
 
In the past threads I have seen people who interviewed early on get a prematch in the later rounds. I believe they have a goal to admit a specific number in each phase (first round is big since it covers almost 3 months of interviews) and review all the pending candidates and admit a few from earlier rounds to meet the targets for each round. So if your score is better than those they interviewed in October for example, you can be admitted in the next round and so on. You do have several months of reviews until match day still left to get a prematch or a match.
 
texasvandy said:
In the past threads I have seen people who interviewed early on get a prematch in the later rounds. I believe they have a goal to admit a specific number in each phase (first round is big since it covers almost 3 months of interviews) and review all the pending candidates and admit a few from earlier rounds to meet the targets for each round. So if your score is better than those they interviewed in October for example, you can be admitted in the next round and so on. You do have several months of reviews until match day still left to get a prematch or a match.
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in the same spot as y’all @wsian and @ese2, just gonna unwatch this thread and keep my fingers crossed for the long haul. thanks for this info though vandy, gives a bit of hope for us early interviewers who didn’t prematch.
 
Thanks everyone for responding & best wishes to those in the same boat! I'm glad to hear that it is possible to get admitted after missing the initial prematch wave and that it has happened in recent years. Just gonna ride the tide & see what happens!
 
Introduction and Methodology
I've been neurotically digging through past threads to figure out when the next round of prematches will be in a bid to soothe my soul with certainty. Sharing my work here so it's not 100% useless.
(Disclaimer: I don't know how to count, so 𝛿days = ±1 day)

Results
Last cycle (EY 2022), per SDN's sample, UTSW released pre-matches on:
- Oct 15th (Friday), and then after 10±1 business days,
- Nov 1st (Monday), and then after 14±1 business days,
- Nov 19th (Friday), and then (assuming a 3-day break for Thanksgiving) after 13±1 business days,
- Dec 13th (Monday), and then (assuming admissions is off-duty between Dec 24th and Jan 1st) after 21±1 business days,
- Jan 19th (Wednesday).

Supplemental Data. In the anomalous pandemic year of EY 2021, per SDN's sample, UTSW released pre-matches on Oct 16th (Friday), Nov 11th (Wednesday), and Dec 17th (Thursday). Relying on this less because of its more anomalous nature.

Discussion
We have 2 Wednesdays on which UTSW has released prematches (Supplemental Data), and we have an average of ~12±1 business days between the first few prematches of EY 2022, so Wednesday Nov 2nd is a possibility (12±1 business days away from Oct 17th).

Yet, we also have an alternating Fri/Mon/Fri/Mon pattern in EY 2022 spanning Prematch Dates #1-4. So, this year, given that prematch batch #1 was on Monday Oct 17th 2022, one could guess that the next batch of prematches may come out on Friday Nov 4th (14±1 business days away from Oct 17th).

Yet yet, our most recent data point about the space between Prematch Date #1 and Prematch Date #2 is 10±1 business days away from Oct 17th. So Monday Oct 31st is also a possibility (10±1 business days away from Oct 17th).

Yet yet ✨yet✨, our most recent data point of the date of Prematch Date #2 is Tuesday November 1st, so that's also a possibility (11±1 business days away from Oct 17th).

TL;DR—predicting the actions of an admissions committee is a futile effort. They've already swayed from last year's precedent re: # of interview invitation dates. I wasted an hour of my life trying to do actuarial science without data and I'm trying to cope with that. Back to making renaissance-style AI art! 😊
 
tyverox said:
Introduction and Methodology
I've been neurotically digging through past threads to figure out when the next round of prematches will be in a bid to soothe my soul with certainty. Sharing my work here so it's not 100% useless.
(Disclaimer: I don't know how to count, so 𝛿days = ±1 day)

Results
Last cycle (EY 2022), per SDN's sample, UTSW released pre-matches on:
- Oct 15th (Friday), and then after 10±1 business days,
- Nov 1st (Monday), and then after 14±1 business days,
- Nov 19th (Friday), and then (assuming a 3-day break for Thanksgiving) after 13±1 business days,
- Dec 13th (Monday), and then (assuming admissions is off-duty between Dec 24th and Jan 1st) after 21±1 business days,
- Jan 19th (Wednesday).

Supplemental Data. In the anomalous pandemic year of EY 2021, per SDN's sample, UTSW released pre-matches on Oct 16th (Friday), Nov 11th (Wednesday), and Dec 17th (Thursday). Relying on this less because of its more anomalous nature.

Discussion
We have 2 Wednesdays on which UTSW has released prematches (Supplemental Data), and we have an average of ~12±1 business days between the first few prematches of EY 2022, so Wednesday Nov 2nd is a possibility (12±1 business days away from Oct 17th).

Yet, we also have an alternating Fri/Mon/Fri/Mon pattern in EY 2022 spanning Prematch Dates #1-4. So, this year, given that prematch batch #1 was on Monday Oct 17th 2022, one could guess that the next batch of prematches may come out on Friday Nov 4th (14±1 business days away from Oct 17th).

Yet yet, our most recent data point about the space between Prematch Date #1 and Prematch Date #2 is 10±1 business days away from Oct 17th. So Monday Oct 31st is also a possibility (10±1 business days away from Oct 17th).

Yet yet ✨yet✨, our most recent data point of the date of Prematch Date #2 is Tuesday November 1st, so that's also a possibility (11±1 business days away from Oct 17th).

TL;DR—predicting the actions of an admissions committee is a futile effort. They've already swayed from last year's precedent re: # of interview invitation dates. I wasted an hour of my life trying to do actuarial science without data and I'm trying to cope with that. Back to making renaissance-style AI art! 😊
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Good research. I was reading it as once a month when I was following last year thread but there were 2 during November.

They also overadmitted last year because they followed the same process as previous years and expected more losses to Baylor or others. It is possible they will be more careful this year but there is added pressure that more might choose UTSW out of concern they might be sent to Temple.
 
chicandtoughness said:
Are scholarships at this school merit-based or need-based?
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We only heard about one person getting a fullride on this thread this year and it sounded like a merit scholarship since I dont believe anyone filed their FAFSAs yet. UTSW issues such scholarships to applicants who they want showing up at UTSW due to the huge financial incentive.

I would expect any need based ones to be issued much later in cycle. The problem with need based is that no one knows if it is going to be all loans or some cash mixed in.

UTSW gives 1k scholarships to OOS students to reduce their COA down to IS level or infact 1k cheaper (btw, most Texas schools other than Baylor seem to do that automatically). This is also to ensure that the OOS students they admit actually show up, again due to cheaper COA compared to most other instate COAs. Most east coast and west coast instate tuitions vary between 30 to 45k and so they see 40-100k benefit in tuition alone.
 
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