2022-2023 UTMB (Sealy)

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I'm not dissing you, @randompremed457, but I am always puzzled when getting an acceptance does not seem to lessen an applicant's anxiety in the least. Having achieved that goal, can't you let yourself stop worrying ?
I think they are trying to see if they can get a scholarship to rank one of the 3 ahead (UTMB, Baylor and UTSW).

Is there any deadline to announce a scholarship at UTMB? I heard something about a January 31st but I thought it was mainly for prematch.

The tuition being 23k at all these schools for instate, I dont see them giving full tuition merit scholarships so easily. Texas treats the OOS students best by giving them scholarships to waive the OOS surcharge.

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Yeah, it was explicitly stated on interview day that prematches would hear about financial packages by end of January.
 
Yeah, it was explicitly stated on interview day that prematches would hear about financial packages by end of January.
Match deadline is February 17th. What difference does it make to the school if they announce them on 10th or 15th if all they need to do is sway a few people they want to attract? It is going to be only a small percentage of people at this time.
 
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Since UTMB is super prematch heavy, since I didn’t get prematched, would it be rash to assume that although it is possible I match on 3/4, it is more likely than not that I don’t 🙃
 
Since UTMB is super prematch heavy, since I didn’t get prematched, would it be rash to assume that although it is possible I match on 3/4, it is more likely than not that I don’t 🙃
definitely possible, keep the faith. Lots of people with UTMB prematches have other offers too
 
Since UTMB is super prematch heavy, since I didn’t get prematched, would it be rash to assume that although it is possible I match on 3/4, it is more likely than not that I don’t 🙃
Many seats do open up at UTMB for match primarily because their admits hold more than one admission (they are admitting sure bets early where they know everyone else wants them too).
 
I'm not dissing you, @randompremed457, but I am always puzzled when getting an acceptance does not seem to lessen an applicant's anxiety in the least. Having achieved that goal, can't you let yourself stop worrying ?
oh don’t get me wrong, I’m much less anxious. It’s just that for me personally, the financial aspect of this decision is a serious factor. Although in texas we’re blessed with comparatively low tuition fees, I won’t have any family support going through school.

As many others in my position, I’ll rely solely on loans and that means taking out the equivalent of a mortgage at ~7%. Because of that, I would much prefer it if I knew what to expect financially from each school.
 
God took 6 days to create the world. UTMB cant do everything on the same day. 🙂
Hahaha! It's just that they sent the email about the recruitment scholarships 2 months ago, said they'd send the amounts no later than 1/30, and now it looks like it'll literally be 1/30. Aye aye aye, haha!
 
I'm a little confused about everyone calling UTMB's cohorts "pre-match heavy". This might be cautious optimism because I don't have one, but I had the privilege of meeting a large number of current MS at UTMB after visiting three times last year and exchanging quite a few numbers, and of them, I might have met one or two that prematched there, whereas the rest got in on match day. On the campus visit after my interview, while I didn't ask around, I met one person who openly stated they prematched this cycle but every other person there had something to say like "I just hope I get accepted here on match day".

Of course some could be lying or modestly hiding the fact that they prematched, but I feel like the logical conclusion is that people just call this school "pre-match heavy" on SDN because they see the high volume of prematches on this site relative to other TMDSAS schools not named UTSW. But issuing a relatively high number of prematch offers is not the same thing as having a prematch heavy class. Of these prematches, I'm fairly certain UTMB loses a great many to the match, especially when you consider the high number of offers and high stats most of these prematches have. Again, that could just be biased optimism, but it's hard not to ignore the dramatic contrast between my experience talking to people on campus and interacting with them on here.
Both are true. They are prematch heavy and they have already admitted an entire class of people. However, many who are admitted are holding multiple admissions and they also interviewed at several other schools even if not admitted.

So those who are not currently prematched have a good shot at matching because many holding admissions might rank schools they are also admitted at as number 1, thus giving up their seat here. They might also choose one where they didnt match at as their number 1 and still match off the waitlist in March/April or even early May.

There is a spreadsheet floating around for 2021 cycle which says UTMB admitted 494 instate out of 1053 interviewed for a final total of 223. They didnt admit 494 upfront which means they matched a bunch of people and took more off the waitlist as the prematched and matched people kept dropping out.
 
Exactly, but an entire class of people? That seems really high, I'm not sure they sent out 230 prematches. It's hard to believe if you look at this thread, and considering UTSW sends about 150 prematches out, if you compare UTSW's thread to this one, 230 prematches seems highly unlikely. Especially if their total yield was 494. But I definitely agree with the premise of what you're saying.
Prematches are dependent on how the school fares overall in terms of how many they have to admit to get the right size of the class and in reality they might have admitted 300 already.

Most medical schools admit a lot more than they need because they have to play the yield game. I doubt UTSW is controlling prematches so tightly since they have an overadmitted class for 2022 by 30 people. It may be that they tightened the process this year because they overadmitted last year but they would still fill the class and wait for people to go elsewhere when they admit more during match. In the past they lost a lot of people (50 or more) when BCM was in AMCAS and Texas residents were able to hold both UTSW and BCM until the end so they overadmitted. That didnt work out in 2022 because BCM moved to TMDSAS.
 
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Both are true. They are prematch heavy and they have already admitted an entire class of people. However, many who are admitted are holding multiple admissions and they also interviewed at several other schools even if not admitted.

So those who are not currently prematched have a good shot at matching because many holding admissions might rank schools they are also admitted at as number 1, thus giving up their seat here. They might also choose one where they didnt match at as their number 1 and still match off the waitlist in March/April or even early May.

There is a spreadsheet floating around for 2021 cycle which says UTMB admitted 494 instate out of 1053 interviewed for a final total of 223. They didnt admit 494 upfront which means they matched a bunch of people and took more off the waitlist as the prematched and matched people kept dropping out.
Perfect explanation! So much movement and action is about to take place starting March 3rd. Excited to see where we all land. I will say that campus visits have shaken things up for me quite a bit. These TX schools know how to make it difficult to finalize your rank list. These are all exceptional schools with a lot to offer. We're fortunate!
 
Prematches are dependent on how the school fares overall in terms of how many they have to admit to get the right size of the class and in reality they might have admitted 300 already.

Most medical schools admit a lot more than they need because they have to play the yield game. I doubt UTSW is controlling prematches so tightly since they have an overadmitted class for 2022 by 30 people. It may be that they tightened the process this year because they overadmitted last year but they would still fill the class and wait for people to go elsewhere when they admit more during match. In the past they lost a lot of people (50 or more) when BCM was in AMCAS and Texas residents were able to hold both UTSW and BCM until the end so they overadmitted. That didnt work out in 2022 because BCM moved to TMDSAS.
Between their 2022 over-admission and many BCM folks leaning UTSW, It's gonna be a very interesting match and post-match period. I sure wish I'd interviewed at Baylor. Seems like this is the year to slide in there if you interviewed and they may have placed you lower on their rank list. Temple is a fantastic teaching hospital, and I was truly sad to see A&M lose that site. I totally get the draw toward Houston and the TMC, but also think folks are kinda sleeping on that Temple campus. Then again, if I were in my early-20's, I'd probably be averse to Temple as well lol.
 
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Between their 2022 over-admission and many BCM folks leaning UTSW, It's gonna be a very interesting match and post-match period. I sure wish I'd interviewed at Baylor. Seems like this is the year to slide in there if you interviewed and they may have placed you lower on their rank list. Temple is a fantastic teaching hospital, and I was truly sad to see A&M lose that site. I totally get the draw toward Houston and the TMC, but also think folks are kinda sleeping on that Temple campus. Then again, if I were in my early-20's, I'd probably be averse to Temple as well lol.
They messed up not talking to you!
 
They messed up not talking to you!
So kind of you to say! I've been told they don't take kindly to old farts lol. Woulda been cool to at least converse with them, get a feel for their curriculum, maybe tour the campus. Ah well. I've been mighty fortunate this cycle and respect their right to break my heart, lol.
 
Interesting, I interviewed barely a week before you! Interviewed on 10/26 and accepted 11/18
Did you get your acceptance offer the same day they sent out prematches ? Do you remember the exact time you received the email ?
 
Did you get your acceptance offer the same day they sent out prematches ? Do you remember the exact time you received the email ?
Yeah, it was with a ton of other prematches the same day. It was around 4pm CST? Maybe closer to 5pm CST. But I got my email at the same time as everyone else
 
i tried looking through last year's sdn thread and couldn't find any info on this but have people gotten R's after match day or is it usually just A's and WL?
 
i tried looking through last year's sdn thread and couldn't find any info on this but have people gotten R's after match day or is it usually just A's and WL?
Well, an applicant who doesn’t match might get a “no match” message on match day, which is kind of an R. They could then still have a chance to get in from a WL later.
 
Well, an applicant who doesn’t match might get a “no match” message on match day, which is kind of an R. They could then still have a chance to get in from a WL later.
ohh i was not aware of that! do we get an email if we are being considered for the WL at utmb? or is the no match the final R?
 
ohh i was not aware of that! do we get an email if we are being considered for the WL at utmb? or is the no match the final R?
I will post a longer explanation on the TMDSAS questions thread in a few days.
But yes, fairly soon after match day schools where you had interviewed will send out emails seeing if you want to be on their WL
 
If you are OOS, I dont know if the deadline applies to you.
I asked in the scholarship town hall and Dr. Banks said it does. He also confirmed there are scholarships specific to OOS applicants via email. I think he said there were 6 for OOS only, ranging from 6K per year to 1K (which means we also get instate tuition). Plus, we would be also eligible for the majority of the other recruitment offers (but obviously not for the ones that are for certain people that graduated from a certain high school in TX)
 
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I asked in the scholarship town hall and Dr. Banks said it does. He also confirmed there are scholarships specific to OOS applicants via email. I think he said there were 6 for OOS only, ranging from 6K per year to 1K (which means we also get instate tuition). Plus, we would be also eligible for the majority of the other recruitment offers (but obviously not for the ones that are for certain people that graduated from a certain high school in TX)
I am not saying you will not receive a scholarship - you will definitely receive one to defray your OOS surcharge so you get to pay instate. It needs to be a minimum of 1k so the 10k surcharge goes away. Any additional amount is kind of bonus money since you are already getting a 11k scholarship.

The end of the month deadline matters to IS because they have to choose a school by February 17th if they have multiple admissions. OOS students do not have this deadline and can wait until May 1st to choose a school.

I assume it will be easier for the school to announce all scholarships at once.
 
I am not saying you will not receive a scholarship - you will definitely receive one to defray your OOS surcharge so you get to pay instate. It needs to be a minimum of 1k so the 10k surcharge goes away. Any additional amount is kind of bonus money since you are already getting a 11k scholarship.

The end of the month deadline matters to IS because they have to choose a school by February 17th if they have multiple admissions. OOS students do not have this deadline and can wait until May 1st to choose a school.

I assume it will be easier for the school to announce all scholarships at once.
1K scholarships for OOS are NOT guaranteed at UTMB like they are at other TX schools.

UTMB has two scholarship periods. The Recruitment scholarships period (ending/released today) and the General Scholarships period (starting March and ending in May, released in June/July).

Just like IS people, this is the only time that OOS will hear back about scholarships before we commit, as the general scholarship recipients are announced after our May 1st deadline. Although we have different deadlines, this is still basically the only time I and other OOS find out if we get in state tuition, which is a big factor for many of us.

The only way anyone (regardless if they are in state or out of state) gets a scholarship in between 2/1/23 and June/July 2023 is if someone who gets a recruitment scholarship does not attend UTMB (because they match elsewhere or choose elsewhere for OOS people). This possible because if there are 4 full rides and one of those 4 doesn’t take it, that award goes the 5th person in line for that award. Dr. Bank’s said that this does happen and the awards are quickly given to the next person in line. This can happen at any time.

I totally get where you are coming from, but because of how UTMB gives out scholarships, this is most likely the only time OOS know if we would need to pay in state or out of state tuition before our May 1st deadline.
 
I am curious if there are OOS students at UTMB without an OOS tuition waiver scholarship. UTMB cant attract OOS students when other Texas schools are offering an incentive they wont match.
 
I am curious if there are OOS students at UTMB without an OOS tuition waiver scholarship. UTMB cant attract OOS students when other Texas schools are offering an incentive they wont match.
I have talked to 2 M1s and 1 M2 who are all paying out-of-state tuition! Definitely happens, unfortunately
 
I have talked to 2 M1s and 1 M2 who are all paying out-of-state tuition! Definitely happens, unfortunately
That is actually shocking. In theory there are ways to avoid in year 2 by buying property or something but year 1 is hard to avoid without a scholarship.

Were they admitted prescholarship deadline?
 
That is actually shocking. In theory there are ways to avoid in year 2 by buying property or something but year 1 is hard to avoid without a scholarship.

Were they admitted prescholarship deadline?
If all the Texas medical schools gave those $1000 scholarships to all OOS matriculants, there would be no reason to have different in-state and OOS tuition rates.
The schools may offer this as an incentive to attract certain OOS candidates.
The belief that they all do this for every OOS matriculant is, in my view, a myth that refuses to die.
 
If all the Texas medical schools gave those $1000 scholarships to all OOS matriculants, there would be no reason to have different in-state and OOS tuition rates.
The schools may offer this as an incentive to attract certain OOS candidates.
The belief that they all do this for every OOS matriculant is, in my view, a myth that refuses to die.
I saw a presentation by UTSW that @MCAThiccy posted which was very specific about ensuring OOS students get the waiver.

BCM is considered private and not sure if giving 1k counts for them. They have to give the full waiver which is one reason many of their OOS students seem to own condos in Houston.
 
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They better get the scholarship information right now or I'm nibbling on someone's leg.
don’t worry, this will be all of us after the emails go out
 
I am not saying you will not receive a scholarship - you will definitely receive one to defray your OOS surcharge so you get to pay instate. It needs to be a minimum of 1k so the 10k surcharge goes away. Any additional amount is kind of bonus money since you are already getting a 11k scholarship.

The end of the month deadline matters to IS because they have to choose a school by February 17th if they have multiple admissions. OOS students do not have this deadline and can wait until May 1st to choose a school.

I assume it will be easier for the school to announce all scholarships at once.
sorry if this is a dumb question but what do you mean by the 1k scholarship defraying the 10k cost and turning into an 11k scholarship?
 
sorry if this is a dumb question but what do you mean by the 1k scholarship defraying the 10k cost and turning into an 11k scholarship?
Texas law states that if a public institution gives a student >1k in scholarships, they are automatically considered in state for tuition purposes. Meaning any OOS student who receives 1k, technically gets 10k off
 
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