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[alissa14]

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The back and forthing between these folks makes this line stand out to me. Considering a wolf (or 2?) somewhere here. Follow the voting as the day goes on.

Honestly I don’t know why Dina and I are in sync... it’s always something I have to be wary of because I’ve been pocketed this way in the past. Maybe it’s our shared love of animal crossing? Who knows? But I’m not colluding with Dina I can tell you that.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Are you the mayor or a news reporter

And do you have any opinion on my reporting? Thoughts, commentary, criticisms, and suggestions all welcome.

 

[alissa14]

And do you have any opinion on my reporting? Thoughts, commentary, criticisms, and suggestions all welcome.

While I disagree with some of your views and reads I appreciate the effort you’ve put forth.

 

[WildZoo]

At the same time, do you think her reads would have been so obviously attention drawing (reading three players driving most of the wolf hunting at the time as various shades of wolfy) if she was wolfing? Unclear to me but maybe you have more thoughts. Obviously wolves aren't a monolith and don't direct the action of every single wolf on thread, but sometimes if one player's reads seem funky they'll help generate some "better" reads that they can use down the road - I know cubs and I have done it before

That depends entirely on who her packmates are, their activity level, and their tendency to be involved. If she is a wolf this would only be her second shot at it and I could see a nooblet wanting to make original looking reads without thinking through how odd they would appear. I'm also bothered she never responded to questions about those reads or her other comments.

Not all wolves create reads lists for each other, and in fact I've only seen that a handful of times. It's not something killer asked for from her packmates last game so I'm not sure she would have asked for it here.

 

[alissa14]

Doesn’t the vote close today? Where is everyone?
I will be FaceTiming family tonight but I will try my best to be on an hour or so before close

 

[Animal Midwife]

Doesn’t the vote close today? Where is everyone?
I will be FaceTiming family tonight but I will try my best to be on an hour or so before close

We still have three hours.

 

[alissa14]

We still have three hours.

This is a surprise coming from you. Considering you are always pushing people to participate more. It doesn’t matter in the end if we have 3 hours or 12 hours if there isn’t anyone around to actually converse and figure out who the wolves are.

 

[Animal Midwife]

This is a surprise coming from you. Considering you are always pushing people to participate more. It doesn’t matter in the end if we have 3 hours or 12 hours if there isn’t anyone around to actually converse and figure out who the wolves are.

Well, you want to talk about it then? Discussion only comes from talking. Start poking people like I've been.

 

[WildZoo]

See, I'm not convinced on this. Wolf Stagg when I've played with him (and been bussed by him) is usually SO EXCITED to be a wolf and wants to try and powerwolf. His play so far hasn't meshed with that for me

Stagg isn't allowed to be a powerwolf, he busses too hard

But I do agree with the general assessment...usually he tries harder when he's wolfing. That's why he's in my useless pile and not the sketchy one.

 

[cubsrule4e]

This is a surprise coming from you. Considering you are always pushing people to participate more. It doesn’t matter in the end if we have 3 hours or 12 hours if there isn’t anyone around to actually converse and figure out who the wolves are.

Exactly. Last night her deadline was 10am today. Now suddenly 3 hours left is all copacetic.

 

[vetmedhead]

Unvote MsP
Vote Dina

@vetmedhead, why do you feel that Dina’s looking up interactions between killer and Cubs is irrelevant?

@SARdoghandler, what was the nature of the action against you that made you think it was a block?

I felt it's irrelevant because it's in reference to whether she's voted for him in previous games. Arguing about somebody's meta is a great time suck in my experience and isn't nearly as high yield as actually talking to players and assessing their play in the current game. Especially when you consider how easy it is to change meta +/- take advantage of it to conceal wolfiness

See above reply to SAR. But keep in mind the antics me, VMH, and Dina played in Ireland. Not in the realm of impossible.

To be fair I forgot who half of the wolf team was repeatedly in Ireland. Although I do that in almost every game I wolf in so it's entirely possible that your conspiracy theory is true I guess

 

[WildZoo]

I will never forget the sadistic game that I think dubz ran with Lupin where there was a framer and the seering was complete ass backwards and messed up.

You're maybe thinking of the game where I was the framer and got lupin yeeted because I flipped her affiliation? Ny was the seer, poor thing.

There were also some fun flip mechanics in dubz family reunion but they were temporary.

 

[WildZoo]

And do you have any opinion on my reporting? Thoughts, commentary, criticisms, and suggestions all welcome.

Seems a'ight so far

 

[cubsrule4e]

You're maybe thinking of the game where I was the framer and got lupin yeeted because I flipped her affiliation? Ny was the seer, poor thing.

There were also some fun flip mechanics in dubz family reunion but they were temporary.

Well, at least I got two of the involved players correct. My memory cant be THAT bad...........................................................................................................

 

[Cyndia]

Welp classic Friday/Saturday WW for me where I end up in the lead because I can’t check in much. My relief shift today was insane (no lunch or bathroom breaks) and just about to leave the clinic, but running late to date night so this is going to be a rapid read through and answer to tags.

 

[Cyndia]

uhhh. This yeet would have been a great early D1 yeet. Why are you picking a random person to yeet now? Shouldn't you be picking on someone you find sus. You were all over me yesterday and now you're throwing out a random yeet? This makes no sense.

That was my first yeet???? I only switched to you AFTER because stagg checked in. If nothing sketch enough has happened on thread I choose to vote quiet people or people I don’t know in an attempt to get them to talk more.

Why are you so mad that I voted you and called you out for reads D1? I’ve only played with you a few times but this feels like more aggressive than normal behavior from you.

 

[Cyndia]

Its not both ways. I stated he isnt on my radar currently. My reads of dds, cyndia, alissa, and dina still stand. I think what annoys you the most about me is that I always can see both sides of a read. To you this is "hedging" and "wolfy" play. To me its smart, because it helps keep you out of obsessing over one player (see: AM vs The State of @Ms Procrastinator). There is never a 100% chance someone is wolf or village until they flip (and if youre playing a dubz game, even this isnt a guarantee). Why I am not allowed to state i think someone is wolfy or village, but keep in mind other things that ive seen that support the other side of the coin?

I agree with this. I see I’ve gotten some flack for flipping around but as a villager I don’t have any concrete info and hence why I hedge and change my mind a lot until clearly sketch stuff shows up.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Stagg isn't allowed to be a powerwolf, he busses too hard

But I do agree with the general assessment...usually he tries harder when he's wolfing. That's why he's in my useless pile and not the sketchy one.

Have I managed to move out of your useless pile yet? 😛

 

[Cyndia]

I’m giving you and killer wolf points for this because you’re explaining something that killer could’ve easily explained herself. Seems a little quick on the defensive. Do we really have to go back to the cubs/killer thing?

cubs and killer are moving up on my wolf list for this point

 

[cubsrule4e]

Welp classic Friday/Saturday WW for me where I end up in the lead because I can’t check in much. My relief shift today was insane (no lunch or bathroom breaks) and just about to leave the clinic, but running late to date night so this is going to be a rapid read through and answer to tags.

That was my first yeet???? I only switched to you AFTER because stagg checked in. If nothing sketch enough has happened on thread I choose to vote quiet people or people I don’t know in an attempt to get them to talk more.

Why are you so mad that I voted you and called you out for reads D1? I’ve only played with you a few times but this feels like more aggressive than normal behavior from you.

This reeks of frantic-ness, i dont care-edness but also i signed up to play so i need to contribute something-ness. Not very wolf-like to me. Switching gears.

Unvote cyndia
Vote A-14

 

[SARdoghandler]

I feel like I wish I had made a spreadsheet for this game. But also going back for 17 pages to make one is blek

In other news, obligatory "look I wasn't lying, my fiance and I were actually learning longsword today!" picture (which is 100% totally not blatant like farming... duh)

Spoiler: Picture but aaah it's huge and idk how to make it littler

 

[vetmedhead]

I like this.

Along that train of thought, I want to hear more from @Dinashadow today since I haven’t played with her before either.

Got an explanation for this?

For now, this is enough to make me unyeet stagg and yeet FTF.

I still want to hear from @Ms Procrastinator. Happy to stay on her if she doesn't check in/provide me reasons not to, otherwise I did a quick reread and I'm also really eyeing killerleaf, their posts just stuck out to me a lot/rubbed me the wrong way on how hedgey they were.

Well that's interesting. Got any games to throw out as examples @cubsrule4e / @killerleaf ?

I'm about to hydrate a bit because I have tomorrow off (woohoo!) so maybe I'll just do a deep dive of some old games for fun haha.

On poking back through Cyndia's posts, these were the things that stood out to me and moved her a little wolfier than neutral.

Mainly - pushing around at players without follow through later to see whether they responded (aside from MsP, who wasn't around then, kata - also not around, and frosty - but several other players weren't really looked at further from what I can tell).

There's also, again, a lot more encouragement of whatever the historical cubs/killer votes, which as I've mentioned several times I think is not useful to current play, and something that someone who has played a lot before would probably also suspect isn't highly relevant.

Among these votes I also note a relatively low effort attempt to push that FTF pulled a rojo (unlikely based on the broader context of his string of posts that that was in).

Cyndia - have your thoughts on FTF, Dina, killer changed at all since your original votes?

 

[cubsrule4e]

cubs and killer are moving up on my wolf list for this point

Defending infrequent less confident players from unrelenting veterans is actually not wolfy, but very gentlemanly. But ok.

 

[Cyndia]

Well I have to start driving so yeet dina for self prez. I would rather yeet killer but she’s not currently voting me so I’m sure she would switch.

Would also be okay with voting cubs or dds. This is not a great reads list because I skimmed suuuper fast and jumped around and probably missed a lot.

 

[Cyndia]

Defending infrequent less confident players from unrelenting veterans is actually not wolfy, but very gentlemanly. But ok.

fair enough

 

[cubsrule4e]

I feel like I wish I had made a spreadsheet for this game. But also going back for 17 pages to make one is blek

In other news, obligatory "look I wasn't lying, my fiance and I were actually learning longsword today!" picture (which is 100% totally not blatant like farming... duh)

Spoiler: Picture but aaah it's huge and idk how to make it littler

A bit more badass than the shoe collection picture!

 

[Cyndia]

On poking back through Cyndia's posts, these were the things that stood out to me and moved her a little wolfier than neutral.

Mainly - pushing around at players without follow through later to see whether they responded (aside from MsP, who wasn't around then, kata - also not around, and frosty - but several other players weren't really looked at further from what I can tell).

There's also, again, a lot more encouragement of whatever the historical cubs/killer votes, which as I've mentioned several times I think is not useful to current play, and something that someone who has played a lot before would probably also suspect isn't highly relevant.

Among these votes I also note a relatively low effort attempt to push that FTF pulled a rojo (unlikely based on the broader context of his string of posts that that was in).

Cyndia - have your thoughts on FTF, Dina, killer changed at all since your original votes?

FTF came off my initial list and is neutral to me right now. I only voted him bc I thought for half a second he’d done a rojo but didn’t realize it was posted several hours before and was from the tags. Obviously wasn’t sketchy once I understood that was what it was from.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Well I have to start driving so yeet dina for self prez. I would rather yeet killer but she’s not currently voting me so I’m sure she would switch.

Would also be okay with voting cubs or dds. This is not a great reads list because I skimmed suuuper fast and jumped around and probably missed a lot.

I'm not wolfreading you, but this is a bad reason to vote someone. Unless your certain that you'll be awol for 2+ hours (though there's no guarantee that votes will stay in this same configuration anyway) vote for your strongest wolfread. Don't skew the tally if you don't believe in it.

 

[vetmedhead]

This reeks of frantic-ness, i dont care-edness but also i signed up to play so i need to contribute something-ness. Not very wolf-like to me. Switching gears.

Unvote cyndia
Vote A-14

Why alissa?

Do agree that the most recent post doesn't strike as wolfy but also being busy IRL isn't affiliation indicative anyway

I will say that cyndia is historically an earlier lynched player, people tend to read her as sketchy and I feel like there might have been more pushback from herself or drumming up of significant suspicion of others were we this close to losing a wolf this early

 

[Cyndia]

On poking back through Cyndia's posts, these were the things that stood out to me and moved her a little wolfier than neutral.

Mainly - pushing around at players without follow through later to see whether they responded (aside from MsP, who wasn't around then, kata - also not around, and frosty - but several other players weren't really looked at further from what I can tell).

There's also, again, a lot more encouragement of whatever the historical cubs/killer votes, which as I've mentioned several times I think is not useful to current play, and something that someone who has played a lot before would probably also suspect isn't highly relevant.

Among these votes I also note a relatively low effort attempt to push that FTF pulled a rojo (unlikely based on the broader context of his string of posts that that was in).

Cyndia - have your thoughts on FTF, Dina, killer changed at all since your original votes?

oops accidentally posted before I was finished - i still find killer sketchy and it may just be their post style but I would rather vote them. Dina isn’t coming across sketchy to me but I haven’t read her posts super carefully. Nothing I skimmed fast stood out. But choosing to vote her in self prez right now.

 

[Cyndia]

I'm not wolfreading you, but this is a bad reason to vote someone. Unless your certain that you'll be awol for 2+ hours (though there's no guarantee that votes will stay in this same configuration anyway) vote for your strongest wolfread. Don't skew the tally if you don't believe in it.

I’m about to drive to a dinner double date, and probably won’t be able to check in. So that’s why I’m putting it up, but I’ll try to sneak a check in but could easily not manage to.

 

[genny]

oops accidentally posted before I was finished - i still find killer sketchy and it may just be their post style but I would rather vote them. Dina isn’t coming across sketchy to me but I haven’t read her posts super carefully. Nothing I skimmed fast stood out. But choosing to vote her in self prez right now.

How about your PM with her?

 

[Cyndia]

How about your PM with her?

I sent her one message in hello and she responded once but it was just to say she used to play a lot but only plays occasionally now. We didn’t converse again after that.

 

[vetmedhead]

Here's my question to the group, why so much focus on the lowposters? There's the general understanding that they are not great for hunting wolves, which is 100% fair/true, but also selectively targeting them for sketch lists and voting off the island specifically seems equally as unlikely to net wolves as hunting after active players who provide reads lists when asked. They usually sit in my ??? category until a little later because I generally find them lower yield to vote.

@Animal Midwife great WW tallier/Sun Tzu of WW, do you have different data on this as a strategy?

 

[cubsrule4e]

Why alissa?

Do agree that the most recent post doesn't strike as wolfy but also being busy IRL isn't affiliation indicative anyway

I will say that cyndia is historically an earlier lynched player, people tend to read her as sketchy and I feel like there might have been more pushback from herself or drumming up of significant suspicion of others were we this close to losing a wolf this early

Im curious to see where this now cyndia-alissa-dina 3 way takes us.

 

[genny]

Here's my question to the group, why so much focus on the lowposters?

Because usually village leaves them to the end, and then we're effed. So I want to get it out of the way early, or coerce the low posters into posting enough that we can read them. Preferably option B.

 

[genny]

Im curious to see where this now cyndia-alissa-dina 3 way takes us.

I break the tie toward alissa. That's where that goes.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Here's my question to the group, why so much focus on the lowposters? There's the general understanding that they are not great for hunting wolves, which is 100% fair/true, but also selectively targeting them for sketch lists and voting off the island specifically seems equally as unlikely to net wolves as hunting after active players who provide reads lists when asked. They usually sit in my ??? category until a little later because I generally find them lower yield to vote.

@Animal Midwife great WW tallier/Sun Tzu of WW, do you have different data on this as a strategy?

Lowposting villagers lose every game they're left alive in/yeeted too late to recalibrate the POE. And lowposting wolves winning severely upsets and insults me.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Although dds and sparrow still arent doing themselves any favors in my book.

 

[cubsrule4e]

I break the tie toward alissa. That's where that goes.

Well then great! I like to know where my understudy's head is at all times in case something unfortunate were to happen to me.

 

[vetmedhead]

I still don't understand the alissa votes. She has given solid reasoning in her posts so far, follows up on her pushes, and seems to be participating in her wolf hunting in a logical way

Catching up and doing a deeper read than what I did last night:
So far... dubz, SAR, and AM feel villagey
No thoughts on cyndia yet.
Genny also feels village i think? She’s hard for me to read but she seems okay for now

Why SAR villagey?

Also feeling better about cubs today

What made you feel better about cubs here?

 

[WildZoo]

Have I managed to move out of your useless pile yet? 😛

In a relative sense I suppose 😛

 

[genny]

Well then great! I like to know where my understudy's head is at all times in case something unfortunate were to happen to me.

In this game, it's just a matter of time. 😉

 

[cubsrule4e]

What made you feel better about cubs here?

My gentlemanly conduct, duh!

 

[genny]

@Animal Midwife great WW tallier/Sun Tzu of WW, do you have different data on this as a strategy?

Though if you ascribe to Killer's point of view, it's a plot by AM to get enough villagers lynched so that wolves win, and I'm just a useless pawn with the wool pulled over my eyes, like I am in so many other games.

 

[vetmedhead]

Wait.... noob-ish here who may have had a bit of sake tonight. What even is mayor?

Cub mayor stuff:







I think everyone that's vocalized in this thread about the cub being mayor has established that the majority is confused on how/why people voted considering lack of campaigning on cubs part. I agree that it's a little sus and something to keep in mind, but shouldn't be over-dwelled on for D1 discussions, if as important as AM claims, personally would want more of a variety of discussion to look back on then.



Is believing how someone is reading another person enough for a village vouch (edit: is that what this would be considered? It's how I'm taking it and noting it) this early in game? Genuine question.



Thanks for pointing that out, for the life of me I couldn't see what the order/purpose of the list was. and didn't even think about it being alphabetical.



Just saw this and really agreed with it. I find D1 difficult, but that may also be because I don't play often and don't have previous experiences/reads on people based on previous interactions in games.



Exam this morning = me frantically cramming things into my brain after my Tuesday exam, but with nothing until Tuesday I plan to be more active on thread. Nickname - Frosty, FS, Sparrow, whatever works!

What were the reasons for MsP vs Kata currently? I assume Kata is due to lack of meaningful convo + the random gif?

Thank you for those definitions!! That was SUPER helpful.



Why?

For some reason I thought that was about MsP. I like to hear thoughts from experienced players on voting ‍♀ (Edit: this was supposed to be a shrug emoji... does not translate from my texting emojis apparently)




Because I was wracking my brain trying to figure out how the list was ordered and why. Didn’t know if it was reads or what.

I feel like a lot of Frosty posts boil down to "I am but an innocent noob" without much content beyond that. The content posts that are there seem a little incongruous from post to post

I got all the tags I promise! Been MIA b/c of some life things that happened.

General thoughts:
Didn’t realize I played that many games, I know I was early killed in at least one and needed a sub for another. But I don’t think amount of games really speaks to anything. I don’t consider myself experienced esp. when I don’t know the lingo.

I agree AM is pretty pushy, but I don’t chalk that up to ww since logic seems to be there in recent posts.

Cubs /KL /AM situation doesn’t seem to relevant to me. The continuing to bring it up despite it the relevancy feels weird. Not sure if a weird village on village thing but would say there is one ww in there.

Genny and dubz would be my top village feels rn.

I don’t think I’ve read a lot from staggs or FTF that give me any particular feelings.

What makes you say there's at least one wolf between killer/cubs/AM?

I’d give Alissa a sl. village lean. With the rest being neutral-ww lean until I can dive more into thread.

Why a village lean on alissa? Haven't seen you post really anything about her beyond this so I'm curious

Did you ever do that deeper dive into thread?

 

[cubsrule4e]

Though if you ascribe to Killer's point of view, it's a plot by AM to get enough villagers lynched so that wolves win, and I'm just a useless pawn with the wool pulled over my eyes, like I am in so many other games.

AM is definitely village. 99% anyway.

 

[vetmedhead]

Though if you ascribe to Killer's point of view, it's a plot by AM to get enough villagers lynched so that wolves win, and I'm just a useless pawn with the wool pulled over my eyes, like I am in so many other games.

You do strike me as especially pawn-like. I automatically shrug off everything you say because I don't listen to peons

 

[vetmedhead]

AM is definitely village. 99% anyway.

yeah but what if AM is like those 0.01% of germs

 

[cubsrule4e]

I feel like a lot of Frosty posts boil down to "I am but an innocent noob" without much content beyond that. The content posts that are there seem a little incongruous from post to post

What makes you say there's at least one wolf between killer/cubs/AM?

Why a village lean on alissa? Haven't seen you post really anything about her beyond this so I'm curious

Did you ever do that deeper dive into thread?

All of this being why I put sparrow into the lean wolf pile (plus N1 NKA) which Dina promptly defended.