CHOOSE YOUR OWWN II - Game Thread

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@WildZoo, I feel like in other games I've played with you when you were village, you had reads lists. Got anything you'd be interested in sharing with the class?
Not a full list at this point. Did a lot of skimming yesterday so I don't have a good grasp on things yet. Chaos seems fine, you seem normal, zenge somewhere in that mix too. Coop is screwing around. Don't have any good scum reads yet so I'll be rereading when I get the chance.
 
Not a full list at this point. Did a lot of skimming yesterday so I don't have a good grasp on things yet. Chaos seems fine, you seem normal, zenge somewhere in that mix too. Coop is screwing around. Don't have any good scum reads yet so I'll be rereading when I get the chance.
Is coop screwing around “normal” for her though? I thought you said earlier that she seems “okay” to you.
 
I'm not sure how much info we can get from the NKs so far, tbh. We have no way of knowing what faction(s) killed last night - for all we know, it was 1 faction and a vig, or something like that. I'm keeping track of people's claimed roles (for aff and ability, if they've fully role revealed) on my spreadsheet, so we can reference those later if we notice a slip. I'm not particularly surprised by either kill - Cray is a strong villager when she's village, and stirs up a lot of discussion, so taking her out early makes sense. Since Wonder had fully role revealed, I'm not shocked by her kill either. I do wonder (heh) why she lied about her aff role, like alley pointed out, but it doesn't really matter at this point.

I agree, I'm just concerned about the too wolfy to be wolf aspect (or the sufficiently wolfy that she's trying to get yeeted to meet a wincon thing that I mentioned yesterday). There are multiple supersaint options available, but the remaining one would be town since Stagg used the wolf one.

I haven't played with Coop before and I don't know what her typical style is - I feel like I'm wanting to yeet her because of the lack of gamesolving, but I don't know if it's a case like kras, who I always want to yeet even when she's not wolfing, just because our playstyles are so different and I have a really hard time reading her correctly as a result. Can anyone who has played with Coop more chime in on whether this is her typical MO? I know Cray had said yesterday that the "I'm so bad at this game" stuff that pinged me was kind of NAI for her.

Coo is kinda like me in the sense that there is a good amount of fluff/joking which I guess gets us a lot of wolf points, but normally she's more engaged in the actual game solving. Ive wolfed with her several times, and she does tend to be a little more active with that affiliation because she's always trying to spin some kind of narrative, which does go against her current play so far. Its only been one day, will definitely be watching how her further play evolves. I feel like she's holding back somewhat because she hasnt played in a while and doesnt want to draw too much attention right away and potentially get yeeted.
 
Coo is kinda like me in the sense that there is a good amount of fluff/joking which I guess gets us a lot of wolf points, but normally she's more engaged in the actual game solving. Ive wolfed with her several times, and she does tend to be a little more active with that affiliation because she's always trying to spin some kind of narrative, which does go against her current play so far. Its only been one day, will definitely be watching how her further play evolves. I feel like she's holding back somewhat because she hasnt played in a while and doesnt want to draw too much attention right away and potentially get yeeted.
I don't think I like the coo thing
 
Is coop screwing around “normal” for her though? I thought you said earlier that she seems “okay” to you.
That was before she really started screwing around lol I wouldn't say it's exactly "normal" so I'm not sure how to categorize it in terms of her affiliation
 
Village-
supershorty: Seems like her typical village meta.
vetschoolsletmeinplease: I haven’t seen anything wolfy, and the only way I think she would pick scum was if she had no other choice so I’m inclined to village read her until I see something that really stands out as off.

Village Neutral-
sunshinefl: Feels like village sunny so far but she was was absent for a lot of D1 so I’m hoping to see more.
alleycat03: Overall feels pretty village but she can be good replicating that so I’m cautious at the moment.
WildZoo: Haven’t seen anything super wolfy, but I’m not seeing a lot of pro village play either. Neutral for now.
cubsrule4e: He’s hard to read, but overall he’s coming across as village.

Scum Neutral-
Viscernable: This is still neutral but it’s a slight scum lean. Vis is very good at flying under the radar as a wolf and replicating her village tone. I haven’t seen anything this game that makes me feel super good about this being Village!Vis but nothing nefarious either so I’m keeping my eye out here. She can be very good at wolfing.
Chaostrodon: Again, this is still a neutral category, but with a slight scum lean. He’s been very active in a way I’m not used to seeing, and while it seems helpful, with the affiliation role reveals, it hasn’t necessarily been that helpful. It always stands out to me when people do things I’m not used to seeing. So I’ll be watching this neutral as well.
Dinashadow: Haven’t seen very much but I’m slightly leaning scum. I thought the Cubs vote was a little weird and the pushback I got from asking about it felt off.

Scum-
Coopah: Super not helpful with game solving. There’s making a few jokes on thread while playing the game and then there’s this. People have said they think Coop would be likely to take a scum role if given the option. The weird scum calls on me and Sunny with not just no reasoning but a refusal to discuss reasoning was notable.
 
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Still reading. I really dont like chaos coming right out of the gate first thing trying to control the thread and spread of info. Also while Im not totally convinced the mixing of terminologies is intentional to be misleading, there is definitely that possibility. He keeps talking about what scum would do vs village etc., like people have never played the game before and cant form their own opinions. And if he is scum, thats a deflection tactic to take attention off of him and follow along with what hes saying about someone else. Maybe its just play style, but based on gut, which is what im going on D1, im moving here for the moment.

unyeet alley
yeet chaos

I noticed this yesterday. She kinda threw something out early and just watched the action unfold. Even moreso I didnt like how Chaos, who has been driving/kinda controlling everything since zero hour just up and sheeped her vote. In this game, i suppose thats less meaningful since there are multiple factions, and its harder for either of them to know right off the bat that Wonder is village, but another partial scum point for me.

Speaking of factions, do the NKs give us any info at all yet? Some of them have nightly kills, but the Aliens get a 1x kill. Surely theres at least 2 factions, but I guess it doesnt rule out a 3rd if aliens didnt use their kill.

Coo is also in my POE at the moment with her slightly erratic interactions/fluff not being followed by any actual gameplay. I do feel her frustrations about not being able to joke on thread though lol.

This comes across as a bit manufactured.

Are you sring me bc I asked people to claim their alignments? Thats just something people do in this theme.

>>He keeps talking about what scum would do vs village etc

How else am I supposed to explain my reads?

>> Chaos, who has been driving/kinda controlling everything since zero hour
>> chaos coming right out of the gate first thing trying to control

Who or what exactly have I controlled so far?
 
I was saying that your post felt stretchy. Was that unclear?
It’s the argument he was making. It seemed like a leap in logic the way it was initially phrased.
 
I think Viscernable is most likely town as I have explained before.

Zenge and Shorty seem to be genuinely scumhunting

Leaning Dina as town coz of the affiliation reveal.

Everyone else seems neutral , slightly scumleaning Dubz as of now
 
I think Viscernable is most likely town as I have explained before.

Zenge and Shorty seem to be genuinely scumhunting

Leaning Dina as town coz of the affiliation reveal.

Everyone else seems neutral , slightly scumleaning Dubz as of now
Not Dubz , Cubz. sorry
 
Town-leaning:
shorty, vis, schools (?)

Neutral:
sunny, alley, zenge, chaos

Scum-leaning
WZ, Coop, cubs

Some random thoughts:

Less sure about schools, I think she would prefer to take a town role, but there's a chance she wasn't offered one

Not sure what to make of chaos, his play at the beginning of the game seemed very town and not something scum would do, but I'm feeling paranoid

Not getting any zenge village vibes yet which is a little concerning

Dubz play has seemed off since yesterday, like I'm not getting any scum-hunting vibes from her. Her wonder vote and then comment about people following her onto the vote was weird.

I've seen coop play similarly to how she is now, but I remember her being a little more serious about the game. It's been a long time since I played with her though.

I have the same thoughts about cubs as I did yesterday. I said yesterday I was was scum reading stagg and cubs for similar reasons and now that stagg has flipped non-town I'm keeping cubs in my scum leans for now.
 
It wasn't the argument he was making, as he stated after your post. It was the argument you were saying he was making.
He stated it to clarify, because of my post. His clarification helped me elucidate what he was saying, because the way it was reading to me before that, seemed stretchy. The clarification helped it make sense.
 
Dinashadow: Haven’t seen very much but I’m slightly leaning scum. I thought the Cubs vote was a little weird and the pushback I got from asking about it felt off.

I'm pushing back because you seem like you're defending cubs :thinking:

I have similar feelings about you and your Wonder vote yesterday, now that she's flipped village I feel even worse about you.
 
Some updated thoughts:

Town leans: still chaos and Vis
Chaos - I still don't see how the aff role thing would really benefit scum, even though it so far hasn't been particularly helpful to village either. This is the most engaged I've seen Chaos be in a game, but tonally, he feels very similar to the other games I've seen him in.
Vis - I'm feeling okay about Vissy right now. Seems like she's gamesolving and contributing to discussion.

Neutrals (ordered): alley, Dina, cubs, sunny, please, Coop
I feel like the yellow was hard to read yesterday so I'm gonna just leave these in black.

alley - I'm feeling a little better about alley today. Her early D1 content didn't give me a lot of warm fuzzy feelings, but I felt like she stepped up the game solving efforts after that. Her excitement about Stagg's yeet seemed genuine.
Dina - still hasn't posted much, but the posts she has made haven't set off any alarm bells yet. I feel like she's scum hunting and the arguments she's presenting have made sense. With only 12 posts, though, it's not the easiest to come to a solid read on her.
cubs - cubs still feels villagey-neutral to me. His tone, his approach to the game, the things that he's getting a little salty about (like the moment with my spreadsheet last night) - it just all feels much more like RvB!cubs than what I saw him do as a wolf in Madagascar. It's concerning me that people who generally have better reads than I do disagree, but I don't feel like he's really wolfy right now. I can see how other people do, and maybe I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt too much because I haven't played with him before, but I'm just not seeing it yet.
sunny - not a ton to go on yet, but hasn't pinged me yet.
please - hasn't really changed my read since yesterday. The tentativeness about where to put her vote felt much more like village!please than wolf!please, but it would be relatively easy to replicate that too.
Coop: I'm really caught up in the too-wolfy-to-be-wolf thing. My entire read of her has been based on the lack of gamesolving, but I was rereading Basics this morning after Dina and I were reminiscing outside the game, and I went after village!kras HARD for the same reason. Because I haven't played with Coop before, that similarity is really giving me pause. I was gunning for her yesterday, but keeping in mind that I like to tunnel people who play differently than I do, I want to watch her play a little more and see where else she votes before I really settle on a read.

Scum leans: Zenge, Dubz
Zenge: Zenge is feeling worse to me as the game goes on. Some of his posts yesterday were, IMO, weird, and I didn't like the reads list that he posted just now. I disagree strongly with some of his interpretations of things in his explanations (particularly how he thought Dina's "pushback" on his comments was weird, because I commented on that whole exchange too and thought he was making no sense). On the other hand, scum!Zenge has gotten really good at replicating his village tone and not making these weird logic leaps. I really hated him sheeping my Stagg vote last night, even though it ended up getting us a scum, but moving his vote immediately after I moved mine felt really icky. I'm not loving his reads list that he posted this morning, either.

Dubz - hasn't done anything to make me feel better about her from yesterday. Hopefully she'll be more engaged today and actually contribute some reads.
 
Dubz play has seemed off since yesterday, like I'm not getting any scum-hunting vibes from her. Her wonder vote and then comment about people following her onto the vote was weird.
Nope already explained that. Why do you think my wonder vote was weird? I gave a reason for it. And if you look back the last several games, my d1 votes have led to quick building wagons and then a villager dying. Hence my comment.
 
Meh. Pressure isn't gonna make me do anything differently. Any specific reason or are you just voting for me because I've been busy?
Scum leans:
Dubz - I feel a little better about Dubz today than I did yesterday, but not good enough to take her out of my POE for now. Yesterday, I felt like she was making some efforts to shut down discussion - and while I agree that analyzing discards is probably not the best use of time given how many role options there are vs how few people are in the game, she didn't really make any effort to steer the discussion in a different direction, just to shut it down. However, her post this morning on Wonder felt a little more like trying to gamesolve. I don't love that if I put my vote on Wonder, I'll be voting alongside another scum lean, but because there are so many possible factions in this game, I'm not going to read into that too much. The only conclusion I can really draw from this about Dubz, if Wonder flips some sort of scum, is that they're very unlikely to be the same faction, since Dubz isn't a habitual busser.
Scum leans: Zenge, Dubz
Dubz - hasn't done anything to make me feel better about her from yesterday. Hopefully she'll be more engaged today and actually contribute some reads.
 
I mentioned yesterday that I thought multiple existing roles (like vanilla town) were a safe option for scum to choose as their aff role reveal and it looks like stagg did just that.

Looking at the list it seems alley, dubz, & coop also claimed it. I'd have to go through the list to see how many people claimed an aff role that was able to be rolled by multiple people
 
Day 2 Yeet Tally
Coop (1) - Zenge
dubz (1) - shorty

2/11
yeet close in ~33 hours
 
So by this logic if I act a lot more wolfy, you’ll stop tunneling me and move me into your neutrals?
My putting you in my scum leans for the first time is hardly tunneling. I'm not even voting you at the moment, so not really sure why you're upset.
 
I mentioned yesterday that I thought multiple existing roles (like vanilla town) were a safe option for scum to choose as their aff role reveal and it looks like stagg did just that.

Looking at the list it seems alley, dubz, & coop also claimed it. I'd have to go through the list to see how many people claimed an aff role that was able to be rolled by multiple people
These are the people who claimed roles with multiples:

me & sunny (town mason)
please (town doctor)
Vis (town conspiracy theorist)
alley, Dubz, and Coop all claimed vanilla townie
cubs (town lover)

The only living people who claimed a 1-only role are Zenge, you, and chaos.
 
My putting you in my scum leans for the first time is hardly tunneling. I'm not even voting you at the moment, so not really sure why you're upset.
This felt like a bit of a tunnel. It’s subjective.
@Zenge142 how about some reads from you too, please.

Hi, reads pls?

Speaking of stretches...
I’m not upset, I just disagree with where you’re focusing.
 
I mentioned yesterday that I thought multiple existing roles (like vanilla town) were a safe option for scum to choose as their aff role reveal and it looks like stagg did just that.

Looking at the list it seems alley, dubz, & coop also claimed it. I'd have to go through the list to see how many people claimed an aff role that was able to be rolled by multiple people
Let’s not forget that Scum could have used a 1x town role for their ability and then claimed it for their affiliation.
 
Lmfao are you really trying to sell this idea that my asking you for reads is a tunnel?
Twice in under an hour, in a 36 hour game, felt a little aggressive.

Plus trying to make me out to be stretchy for trying to understand the point Chaos was making.
 
Town-leaning:
shorty, vis, schools (?)

Neutral:
sunny, alley, zenge, chaos

Scum-leaning
WZ, Coop, cubs

Some random thoughts:

Less sure about schools, I think she would prefer to take a town role, but there's a chance she wasn't offered one

Not sure what to make of chaos, his play at the beginning of the game seemed very town and not something scum would do, but I'm feeling paranoid

Not getting any zenge village vibes yet which is a little concerning

Dubz play has seemed off since yesterday, like I'm not getting any scum-hunting vibes from her. Her wonder vote and then comment about people following her onto the vote was weird.

I've seen coop play similarly to how she is now, but I remember her being a little more serious about the game. It's been a long time since I played with her though.

I have the same thoughts about cubs as I did yesterday. I said yesterday I was was scum reading stagg and cubs for similar reasons and now that stagg has flipped non-town I'm keeping cubs in my scum leans for now.

I dont remember you actually giving any kind of full answer to my question to you about why is it not reasonable for me having never played with chaos, and also only playing my 2nd CYO game, to legitimately have slight misunderstandings about what was going on, especially with the backwards-than-usual verbage that was being used in regards to roles, affiliations, and abilities.
 
Ah right. The typical retaliatory wolf read any time I give a less than favorable opinion about someone. At least Im used to it by now.

You could try answering my questions and explaining your perspective if me wolf reading you bothers you
 
@supershorty seems a little contradictory to say I was trying to shut down discussion when I was actually clarifying people misrepresenting the information that discards give in this game, and when you specifically said you liked my contribution to that discussion. There wasn't anything else to talk about because people wouldn't get off that topic. I commented on the one thing I saw that actually felt relevant, I obviously ended up being wrong but I can only do so much with the time I have lol

Otherwise your read seems to be based on me not doing what you would like me to do rather than actually doing anything scummy. Scum dubz doesn't have any trouble providing reads, so I don't really see where that idea is coming from.
 
You could try answering my questions and explaining your perspective if me wolf reading you bothers you

Ive explained my perspective on your play at least 3 times. Its pretty legitimate. I even noted it could just be your playstyle that Im encountering for the first time but it just comes off as very aggressive. Others have pointed this out as well, I think shorty even just said your tone is usually villagey but arent usually this active.
 
It probably helped that I had condemner as one of my round 1 options, so I knew he couldn't have been wolf and condemner lol
Wdym? Round 1 options have nothing to do with options this round, and it’s impossible to be wolf condemner anyway (unless given two win conditions, which isn’t possible in this setup)
 
Wdym? Round 1 options have nothing to do with options this round, and it’s impossible to be wolf condemner anyway (unless given two win conditions, which isn’t possible in this setup)
I mean I had an understanding of how that option worked because I had to ask about it during round 1, when my options were condemner and mafia goon (x2). So it wasn't confusing to me because I knew wolf condemner wasn't possible. Was just explaining to sunny why I didn't get confused.
 
@supershorty seems a little contradictory to say I was trying to shut down discussion when I was actually clarifying people misrepresenting the information that discards give in this game, and when you specifically said you liked my contribution to that discussion. There wasn't anything else to talk about because people wouldn't get off that topic. I commented on the one thing I saw that actually felt relevant, I obviously ended up being wrong but I can only do so much with the time I have lol

Otherwise your read seems to be based on me not doing what you would like me to do rather than actually doing anything scummy. Scum dubz doesn't have any trouble providing reads, so I don't really see where that idea is coming from.
I liked a specific portion of it, not the entirety of it. And it's oversimplifying to say that the lack of reads is why I'm scum-leaning you. I don't feel like you've done much to help with game solving, despite being the second-highest poster on the thread thus far. Not giving reads is certainly part of that, and part of what I'd expect from village!Dubz, but it's not the entirety of it.

Only useful if there's at least one werewolf in the game, which is not a guarantee, and may be a needle in a haystack situation anyway. Meh.
I think this would be more useful if the options were binary. As it is, we don't know if people passed on strongman , etc. for something even better for scum (I admit I haven't looked at the full role list yet...). I can't logically see how you can draw much from the discards except maybe if people lie about stuff (poorly).
Incidentally you wouldn't have to have vanilla townie available twice to end up as vanilla townie. You could have mafia goon and choose that as your ability and townie whatever and choose that as your affiliation.

This is probably irrelevant, as I find most of this discussion to be tbh
This was the kind of thing that felt like shutting down without trying to take the conversation anywhere else.

Ehhhh

If you're looking at this as someone discarded a town affiliation we do not know what abilities they had available to match up with that affiliation. So we don't know if their town option "looked decent" because in a world there that was their only town card, if they chose it they would not be able to use the corresponding ability. So it's not "would they consider some scum roles preferable" to the discard that we see, it's would they consider some scum roles (which is a wide range of stuff here) better than a town role with whatever ability options they had. Which is like. Impossible to even try to parse out. Does anyone really hate being scum enough to choose to be town with a harmful ability (again I haven't looked at the whole list yet but I'm sure such things exist)? I'm not gonna bank on that.
This is the kind of post that felt like actual contribution. I feel like there's a slight difference between this and the quotes above it in terms of the content and whether it's going to help with solving or not.

Bit busy but popping in to say that if y'all pile on my d1 vote and it ends up killing a villager again, you have no one to blame but yourselves
Still feel like this felt weird, even though I get what you were saying as a fellow person with iffy D1 reads. But it felt a little like you were trying to absolve yourself if she flipped and flipped village.
 
I agree, I'm just concerned about the too wolfy to be wolf aspect (or the sufficiently wolfy that she's trying to get yeeted to meet a wincon thing that I mentioned yesterday). There are multiple supersaint options available, but the remaining one would be town since Stagg used the wolf one.
There are no roles with a jester-like wincon and the only abilities I saw that would activate on yeet only were the supersaints. Town supersaint could be chosen for ability and combined with any affiliation.
 
Speaking of factions, do the NKs give us any info at all yet? Some of them have nightly kills, but the Aliens get a 1x kill. Surely theres at least 2 factions, but I guess it doesnt rule out a 3rd if aliens didnt use their kill.
It means there are probably two of wolf/mafia/sk in the game but not for sure.
 
Ive explained my perspective on your play at least 3 times. Its pretty legitimate. I even noted it could just be your playstyle that Im encountering for the first time but it just comes off as very aggressive. Others have pointed this out as well, I think shorty even just said your tone is usually villagey but arent usually this active.

All that I see in your posts on my play is - you are just assigning me a bunch of adjectives.

So far you have called me controlling , condescending and now aggressive but havent given proper reasons why you feel that way.
I do not understand what would you think Im any of that , hence why your read on me seems heavily manufactured to me , seems like just a bunch of negative words strung together
 
Let’s not forget that Scum could have used a 1x town role for their ability and then claimed it for their affiliation.

I'm aware, I'm not using it as some kind of smoking gun either. I just find it helpful sometimes to see if my reads fit the mechanics theories I have.

Also, I think claiming your town ability role as your aff can have its own set of risks as the game goes on and players become more aware of the abilities that exist in this game
 
@supershorty seems a little contradictory to say I was trying to shut down discussion when I was actually clarifying people misrepresenting the information that discards give in this game, and when you specifically said you liked my contribution to that discussion. There wasn't anything else to talk about because people wouldn't get off that topic. I commented on the one thing I saw that actually felt relevant, I obviously ended up being wrong but I can only do so much with the time I have lol

Otherwise your read seems to be based on me not doing what you would like me to do rather than actually doing anything scummy. Scum dubz doesn't have any trouble providing reads, so I don't really see where that idea is coming from.

The highlighted part of this defense is making me a bit uncomfortable

It looks like she is trying to say , if she were scum she would provide convincing reads?
That is WIFOM and it doesnt even seem right. Surely town!dubz would have an easier time giving reads than scum!dubz?
 
There are no roles with a jester-like wincon and the only abilities I saw that would activate on yeet only were the supersaints. Town supersaint could be chosen for ability and combined with any affiliation.

Closest you have is Judas and Saulus
 
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