CHOOSE YOUR OWWN II - Game Thread

[Chaostrodon]

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Let me know if I missed some cubs post in this set of Cubs - Me interactions ,

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 3 Yeet Tally
Vis (1) - sunshine

1/9
yeet close in ~29.5 hours

 

[WildZoo]

wanted to check with the mods that I could post them first.

Yeah. That's reasonable.

What's your POE looking like?

 

[Chaostrodon]

i'm not following z's logic at all. anymore. that was a weird thing to ping visc on and i still dont like that reads list.

oh okay i looked back he only has two so far.

yeet zenge

okay
so like
on a scale of -10 to 10, 10 being village and negative being wolfy, you start her off at 0 right

Nothing about Dubz reads like a Scum!Dubz to me>> no taking away any point
At the time I hadn’t seen a lot village read her for>> no adding point for her
0-0+0=0
not village lean
so i remain confused about why not split hairs. you had a village neutral pile and a scum neutral pile

i guess it boils down to i don't like that you didn't have a true neutral pile, despite calling someone a neutral in the reads list. it feels like too much wiggle room to go back on what you said

So anyway about please.

This is all I see on please - zenge interactions.
Something about the escalations make me feel like its possible scum taking advantage of anti - zenge sentiments. Cant quite put my finger on it ,
I guess it has something to do with how it kinda looks like she had some misunderstandings on zenge and it went from there to a scumread quick making me think theres a chance this couldnt be organic.


Also funny thing about please, I see people (mostly Zenge , I think ) saying please is likely town coz she would pick town if at all it were possible and her discard was a scum role.
Surely if the first part is true , you can be sure of please being town only if the discard was also a town??
Just another example as to how discard analysis doesnt usually get you anywhere I guess

 

[Chaostrodon]

So far we have lost 4 town and have had 0 mechanical info.
That makes me sad

 

[cubsrule4e]

I don't know why but this post gives me feels that cubs and chaos are on the same faction

Honestly if I was, Id probably have quit by now lol.

 

[cubsrule4e]

I know. Thats why I was trying to see how quickly it was posted. If it had been a few minutes then I would have believed them, and it would have been pretty good evidence that vis is village. As it is, could go either way. I posted all that to signify that I'm throwing them out of my vis analysis since they could have been faked.

When I first saw them I actually had to ask in my PM cause I thought screenshot/quoting was illegal. Apparently its only quoting something mods say.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Interesting how dubz immediately brings up yeeting vis after day close, shorty, sunny, and dina all say thats a good idea/will consider. Dina ends up dead, so sunny votes vis, and now people are questioning it?

 

[cubsrule4e]

So coop has gone from aloof/minimally participatory to making decent effort/more serious now to slightly aggressive/seemingly upset over a simple frustrated comment from someone else (when she often vents about similar things). Not sure what to make of that.

 

[WildZoo]

Interesting how dubz immediately brings up yeeting vis after day close, shorty, sunny, and dina all say thats a good idea/will consider. Dina ends up dead, so sunny votes vis, and now people are questioning it?

I mean, I'm not gonna just hammer someone without thinking about it first.

This post gave me a little twinge like maybe you killed Dina hoping it would make vis look bad and you're disappointed it's not working. But I don't think Dina actually said she was going to consider voting for vis, unless shorty and I both missed it.

 

[supershorty]

I mean, I'm not gonna just hammer someone without thinking about it first.

This post gave me a little twinge like maybe you killed Dina hoping it would make vis look bad and you're disappointed it's not working. But I don't think Dina actually said she was going to consider voting for vis, unless shorty and I both missed it.

She said she'd think about it, but I wouldn't say it was super committal.

I'm thinking about it

I'm at the point where I need to throw out all my early reads and start over I think

I'm freed from meetings now, so I'm going to do a Vissy ISO next and see where I come out.

 

[WildZoo]

She said she'd think about it, but I wouldn't say it was super committal.



I'm freed from meetings now, so I'm going to do a Vissy ISO next and see where I come out.

Hmmmm

Maybe it was vis killing her then, before completely losing her good opinion lol

But idk. I still feel like I'm kind of flailing and I have too much to do to do very much rereading.

 

[WildZoo]

to do to do

The English language is stupid

 

[cubsrule4e]

I'm thinking about it

I'm at the point where I need to throw out all my early reads and start over I think

I mean, I'm not gonna just hammer someone without thinking about it first.

This post gave me a little twinge like maybe you killed Dina hoping it would make vis look bad and you're disappointed it's not working. But I don't think Dina actually said she was going to consider voting for vis, unless shorty and I both missed it.

No, actually. And I'm just pointing out something fairly obvious, but then again everything I do seems to give everyone a "twinge" these days. I didnt say you had to go hammer vis. Im saying one person put one vote down out of 4 who were potential visc voters today and there was shade being thrown for it/questions being asked as to why. Just saying its slightly hypocritical, thats all.

 

[WildZoo]

No, actually. And I'm just pointing out something fairly obvious, but then again everything I do seems to give everyone a "twinge" these days. I didnt say you had to go hammer vis. Im saying one person put one vote down out of 4 who were potential visc voters today and there was shade being thrown for it/questions being asked as to why. Just saying its slightly hypocritical, thats all.

Everything is giving me twinges right now, sorry. I hadn't remembered that Dina actually said she was considering vis.

 

[WildZoo]

Also didn't realize you were referring to people questioning sunny for her vote @cubsrule4e, I thought you were referring to people questioning the vis vote in general

So clearly my reading comprehension is great today

 

[sunshinefl]

but for me it's not even the amount of time you're spending on the thread. it's what you do while you're here, and it's just not matching what I've seen village sunny do while here in the past

And point to where it’s wolf sunny of the past since that’s what we’re doing here apparently

I went back to look at RvB because I thought I remembered that she did similarly styled reads in that game, and she did, but you're right, there was a small explanation with many of them.

Here's an example from RvB:


Hmm. I don't know how much weight I want to put on that, but I'm making a note of it.

Exactly. Even before residency I was writing less and less game notes. R v B was during orientation and it was barely minimal something. Now I’m in full fledged resident life and it’s even less. Natural progression of Downtrending notes plus busy and lack of energy even when I’m off. And guess what my affiliation was there. VILLAGE.

Um no, that's clearly not what I'm saying otherwise that'd be mad hypocritical. I was responding to shorty who was giving you extra leeway because you've been busy and it's all well and good to consider you've been busy but it's not ok to give you village points for it. Just a reminder.

And it’s also not okay to give me bad guy points for being a month 1 resident. Unless of course you are a bad guy in which case hey go crazy taking advantage of that fact. Also I’m pretty sure shorty’s not giving me village points for being busy, she’s just *not* giving me bad guy points for it which seems to be triggering you.

The 36 HOUR day cycle just started. Why should you be getting village cred for voting?

My point is I’m not some mysterious, elusive entity off of the thread because I’m busy. My takes are right there on record. I’m just not being as proactive as I could be.

For that last point, get over it. Might not be nice but everyone is going to be all over you always for everything. If you don't like it don't play. That's why I stopped WW because ppl are ridiculous and it stopped being fun. Just something to consider.

This rude phrasing continues pissing me off at a personal level.

I'm not expecting dissertations I'm saying people find you sketchy and are going to say wolves are busy too. That's the part I'm saying to get over. People will call you sketchy no matter what you do. Gotta deal with it. Because that's the game

You know who else can be busy? TOWN.

I mean, I'm not gonna just hammer someone without thinking about it first.

This post gave me a little twinge like maybe you killed Dina hoping it would make vis look bad and you're disappointed it's not working. But I don't think Dina actually said she was going to consider voting for vis, unless shorty and I both missed it.

Why are you and shorty a “we” here? This struck me as super odd.

 

[sunshinefl]

Also FYI I am not following all this remaining Cubs and chaos back and forth. Like I do not care at all and those wall posts are too much,

chaos came in framing this game setup like how he plays on other forums.

This action plus the phrasing made Cubs flustered.

the end. (And if not the end, state succinctly what I am missing)

 

[supershorty]

the end. (And if not the end, state succinctly what I am missing)

cubs and Chaos are tunneling each other. It's giving me flashbacks to Bioshock with LIS and Chaos. The end.

 

[sunshinefl]

cubs and Chaos are tunneling each other. It's giving me flashbacks to Bioshock with LIS and Chaos. The end.

Have they actually voted for each other?

 

[supershorty]

Have they actually voted for each other?

Today, no. But they have both voted for each other at least once in the game.

 

[Viscernable]

The other thing that bugs me about this post is the focus on her zenge vote, which was not, as far as i saw, a reason that anyone gave for scum-reading her

I mean immediately after it 5 people, 2 of which were previously village reading me, were telling others to vote me or considering voting me, so I don’t know why that wouldn’t be a fair thing for me to focus on

 

[Viscernable]

Have I mentioned that multiball games in particular kind of suck for me because I rely a lot on vote progression and interaction analysis and individual ISOs do almost nothing for me?

This post feels like wolfy Dubz playing up fake village regret. I’m reading her village but I’m afraid of getting too comfy with a village Dubz read so I want to note any pings I do get.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Also FYI I am not following all this remaining Cubs and chaos back and forth. Like I do not care at all and those wall posts are too much,

chaos came in framing this game setup like how he plays on other forums.

This action plus the phrasing made Cubs flustered.

the end. (And if not the end, state succinctly what I am missing)

He was already talking about it again today. Yesterday I said Im done with it. If he wants to have discussion about something else then I'll gladly engage, otherwise he shouldnt expect to hear from me. The main difference here is that tunneling me is literally all he's done whereas I have been fully engaged in the rest of the game.

 

[Viscernable]

this is an interesting point. like kinda defending herself in what she can anticipate being called out for instead of addressing the real reasons. that doesn't look great

I’m pretty sure I’ve addressed everything people have said on thread, aside from feels which I can’t address

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Im aggressive and controlling coz the post I made about my alignment was confusing??

from an outside perspective, i thought cubs thought those things bc it felt like you came on the thread and said "ok now everyone do this" in a way most of us if not all of us hadn't seen and weren't familiar with,
in conjunction with the way you stated your alignment being initially very vague especially in the context of what you told us the purpose was

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

This is all I see on please - zenge interactions.

In 2 minutes of looking i found 2 posts by me interacting w zenge that you missed- on the same page as one of the ones you quoted.

sorry im not understanding
are you saying you started dubz off as base village neutral?
bc this reads to me like she hasn't moved from your base read- (the part thats like nothing either way) which to me means true neutral.
i agree with this and z is actually making me a lot more nervous. im not vibing with his reads, and he's not making much sense in how hes explaining things. both of which dont really happen with village z.

i don't super understand why this is a reason to give wolf points to someone. as far as i see it, unless they're basically confirmed a wolf i don't really take into account if im voting with them especially in a multifaction game.

and there are probably more

misrepresentation of situations in a way that shades someone isn't exactly a village look yo

 

[Viscernable]

I don't know why but this post gives me feels that cubs and chaos are on the same faction

I don’t think I agree but this feels like a genuine take (it’s out there enough that to me it feels less likely it would be faked) and makes me feel a bit better about Coop. Only a tiny bit better because in multiball everyone’s gotta genuinely scumhunt, but still, villagers have the biggest investment in it since they know no one’s aff and don’t have other motives

 

[supershorty]

Okay, so I went through all of Vissy's posts. I'm finding the kinds of analyses I usually do in ISOs to be much more difficult in a multi ball game because I rely so heavily on interactions between people, and with the distinct possibility of differentially factioned scum interacting and trying to game solve to get other scum out of the game, it's much more difficult to be like "I think this sus on this person was faked and here's why."

Spoiler

Yeet stagg
One thing I do trust him to do is being more likely to pick scum

Vissy's first post on the thread. This was super early on D1, and I don't like to try and read too much into people's early D1 votes because at least half the time they're salt or joke votes anyway. Kind of interesting that it turned out to be true, but don't think we can read into that too much.

I’m not really sure how to interpret these discards considering the recombining affiliation + role choice mechanic. Usually I’d be kinda sketched by useful and fun town role discards but not sure how applicable that is here. I will look at discards of roles that would be useful as scum but not so much as village as a good sign and vice versa. So feeling a bit better about chaos and edit: pleasey (thought it was alley at first) for discarding ninja and strongman and a bit worse about Dubz for discarding prober (ww seer and roleblocker)

I get what you're saying, Vis, but I feel like trying to judge people's affs solely based on what they discarded is really risky given that it was straight up RNG for all the options.

Said nothing about solely

I know, but right now, you were saying feels about people who haven't posted yet. So for the moment, for chaos and please, you're not going off anything else.

Idk I just know that on the rolls we're allowed to talk about, I had only 1 affiliation option, and I know I'm not the only person who had at least 1 roll like that. I'm not saying we shouldn't use it at all, I just think it should be weighted much less heavily than the content people post.

Edited because you changed alley to please.

She and I had this exchange shortly thereafter. I still don't feel like discard analysis really tells us much because there are so few of us in the game and so many potential roles in play as a result, and I'm beginning to get a little paranoid that I'm basing my read of please too heavily on her discard because I was kind of in agreement about what Vissy (and later Zenge) said.

Then we have the whole Chaos-Vis role discussion, which I'm giving its own spoiler. Btw there is actually a moment of my own commentary in there, so do open it please.

Spoiler

The way this works is , you can see that there is only one Vigilante in the rolelist here : Greater Idea Mafia/RolePMs - MafiaWiki
(You can see the range next to the role , there are 12 VTs , 2 Cops , 2 Trackers and 1 Roleblocker , for instance.

So now that Ive claimed Vigilante aligned , If any of you had either discarded Vigilante or picked Vigilante as role or alignment , that would mean I have been a dirty liar and must be punished immediately (Since there is only one Vig possible)

I will ofc be voting the first person to attempt a discard meta read.

This is at best , a poor understanding of probability and at worst , scum going after the low - hanging fruit.
Vote Viscernable

Wdym? I assumed by alignment you meant “what kind of role but not the exact role” because of how you used it (I’d usually consider it to mean aff but clearly that’s not how you’re using it). There are at least 3 vig-like roles with 4 rolls between them (since one has 2 rolls)

You pick a role for your abilities and another role for your alignment.

I am talking about the role that you pick for your alignment.

Btw , my alignment is Town Vigilante. (saying this coz there are multiple kinds of Vigilantes in the rolelist)

Okay, that makes sense. I’ll take a look at the role list to see if there’s anything it would bad for scum to 100% know is not a role in the game before saying mine

On reread, this bolded part feels a little weird to me. Presumably, we all looked into what our various roles were before choosing what we'd use them for (if we did at all), so why would she need to look at the list to do this? And we don't actually know that those roles are 100% not in the game, because people aren't/weren't 100% honest with them anyway. The only roles that we can know for sure aren't in the game are the ones that AM listed as people's discards.

Um no , alignment is the second option you pick, Your alignment has nothing to do with your actual role.

You were asked to pick two roles out of 3 right?

One of this would be used to determine your abilities (WHICH YOU SHOULD NOT CLAIM)
The other would be used to determine your alignment (Which you can claim)

By alignment , I mean the second role that you pick to determine alignment

Yes I understand that alignment is not role, the confusion was because you literally said “my alignment is vig” which is not a role not an alignment. If you want people to know you mean “the role you choose your alignment from” then say that and don’t act surprised when people assume you mean what you say.

Fair enough , I will believe you , For now.
But discard meta is still a poor understanding of probability.

Unvote Visc , Vote Sunshine.

And there’s nothing that jumps out at me as a reason for us not to reveal the role we took alignment from, so mine was town conspiracy theorist

Are you more or less likely to choose strongman or ninja if you choose town? Are you more or less likely to choose them if you choose a killing faction?

Yeah I don’t think it’s anywhere near a strong point but I do think it is a small thing to consider. My jimmies are just rustled by some boy saying I have a poor understanding of probability bc I’m conceited honestly

The factor you are missing is that the other option is totally independent of the discarded role. So a persons discard gives you 0 info unless you also know his role.

>>some boy.

Well , thanks I guess

Not meant to be an insult to you sorry, I’ve just had to defend my mathematical ability to boys, especially when I’m literally their stats TA, too many times for it not to be an automatic sore spot

I get that, which is partly why I think it’s a weak village point (the other being the WIFOM argument, although I don’t think it would be worth it for scum to reject a strong scum role in favour of a weaker one just for the WIfOM, precisely because discard analysis is weak and no one’s going to give them many village points for what they discard). But there are going to be more circumstances in which ninja or strongman is the best role if you’re scum than if you’re village, so I still see it as a very small village point to discard it.

This last one was replying to Chaos' comment right above the >>some boy one.

I don't get scummy feels from either of them in this discussion, really. Chaos saying he was vig-aligned was weird, not going to disagree with that, but I'm not sure what to make of it. I still don't think that revealing our (alleged) alignment roles really gives scum much info to work with.

Alright, I'm toggling the BB code to see if I can get the quotes within the quotes to work. Bear with me, this one might take some editing to get right. This is all 1 bigger post of Vissy's, but I'm breaking it up so I can get my comments in there.

... ok I know I didn't read the end of the last game but I'm assuming that's what this butthurt is?

What the hell is a town nymphomaniac??? Because it sounds dirty 😏

Coops’s entrance felt kind of forced-casual to me, looks like could be trying to cover nerves.

I don't love this. There was plenty to suss Coop for on D1, but I don't see much value in sussing people's very first posts on the thread.

Apparently not alley. So there's one of her possible 3 chances at town gone.

This shade was weird imo

Yeah, I don't really know what to make of this post by cubs. Is it factual? Yes. Does it feel like lightly throwing shade at alley? Yes. Could it still be the salt? Probably.

1) The editing and then explanation for the editing also looks like wolfy start-of-game nerves 2) I don’t feel cubs and coop are in the same faction, too much interaction straight out the gate

Like shorty said, the fishing is worrying me

Both of these were referring to things Coop said. I strongly disagree with the top one - it feels stretchy trying to put wolfy vibes on Coop editing an obvious joke post. I agree with the bottom one - I felt like Coop was fishing, but I've mentioned that a bunch of times already in other posts, so I'm not going to go into detail on it here.

Dont worry. Stagg will be yeeted after you.

Do not like. Why have you decided who you’re yeeting D2 with so few posts? Yes, I know this is a joke, but it feels like there’s some level of sincerity to it, plus flippancy about deciding who to vote.

Again, going after something that's clearly a joke feels off and stretchy.

Unvote Stagg
Vote cubs

Coops is wolfiest but I don’t want her out D1 and I think cubs should be on the board

Strange reasoning when cubs was already on the board (although with only 1 vote). I don't see a ton in her ISO so far that really seems to justify the cubs vote, other than she took issue with his joke about Stagg and with the light shade toss at alley. She does justify it after Zenge asks, and gives this response:

Overall have gotten a scum feeling. Vague shade at cray and alley for reasoning that seems completely absent (with cray, just repeating the natural conclusion of what she said in a way that implied it was accusatory. I don’t understand that post) or weak (alley discarded town = 1 less chance at choosing town aff). Then there was that joke about yeeting Stagg next that felt like he was semi-serious about deciding already to vote stagg next, too flippant about using your vote

That last sentence just feels ... icky. cubs then replies with this:

lol shade? My alley vote was salt, as we say, and I dont remember shading cray anywhere at all. Ive interacted with her literally one time to elaborate on a point she made, that she clearly assumed had come across well enough in the post I quoted. So again, my comment there became a moot point anyway.

You clearly have a way different playstyle than me. The "youre next" thing was directly after me joking about voting coop because she couldnt spell ophthalmology correctly. Hopefully that wasnt interpreted as something Id actually do either.

And Vissy replies with this, talking about the "one of 3 chances to be town" comment:

I know the vote was salt, but was this post purely a joke out of salt from last game? It didn’t read that way to me

Which, skimming quickly and keeping in mind that I'm not doing a cubs ISO right now so I'm not searching every page of the thread for his response, doesn't look like he answered at least in the next 2 pages of thread.

Yeah I was thinking on it and pretty much the only roles I’m at all concerned about them wanting to be yeeted are judas and supersaint. Saulus and oneshot prince are beneficial for town to yeet (I mean. Better if prince gets nked by another faction. But can’t bet on that esp with how sketchy Coop is). Judas I could see deciding to bail on town, since they’re more powerful as mafia than town (can essentially be either [ability] town or [ability] plus 1x prince mafia), and at least if they get converted early then they can fully play for mafia instead of trying to play for town with the fear that it’ll eventually be counter to their wincon. Still, not something we can bank on and just never yeet a super scummy-looking player

It could be nice if, if it looks like she’s going to be yeeted and it looks like that’s her goal, she got dayvig’d so town doesn’t potentially have to use two yeets on her if she’s Judas or 1x prince.

The bottom part of this post gave me some feels when she first posted it, but I don't remember why and I'm not really getting them now, I just remember that it happened.

Vote coops

tense-sounding entrance and editing of fluff, fishing, performance playing up not understanding, and extensive trolling avoiding working with town

I agree with some of these reasons, but not the first one. Feels stretchy, as previously mentioned. On the other hand, I find myself wondering how it would benefit scum to try and push someone on super weak reasoning like that - they'd have to know that they'd be called out and face heat for it. In some ways, the fact that she's persisted with it feels more villagey to me even though it's stretchy as heck.

How do you feel about wonder asking it? The question itself I feel is kind of pointless (both choices would give the same result for alley and she has to choose one so I don’t understand nitpicking which one she chose), but I can definitely see its value as a little pressure test. On the other hand, putting someone on the defensive trying to get them to justify their role choices looks like a good fishing technique. So I’m kinda split.

Forgetting that Wonder was dead. What's strange, on reread, is that she'd already posted acknowledging that Wonder was dead, because she responded to alley asking why Wonder would lie about her aff role:

I’d assume she just misremembered a previous round as being this round. She was busy when she posted.

So that's weird.

Felt like a joke that was revealing of his mindset towards voting, i.e. not valuing it as much as I expect of a villager

Talking about cubs and feels like a big stretch.

This whole interaction/series of interactions by Z in response to cubs being voted. To me they’re actually counting slightly against cubs/z being a team because I’d expect most wolves to avoid getting so visibly involved with a wagon on a teammate. But I could see Z panicking about what he felt could turn into a last-minute flash wagon and feeling he needed to get involved, so I’m not putting too much weight on that expectation.

The one direct interaction they’ve had as far as I’ve seen.

Nice dodge of giving reasoning on village leaning cubs, with some “hard to read” hedging for seasoning

She considered the possibility of Zenge and cubs as scum together. I'm not reading much from people sussing Zenge and I won't hold that against her.

Strange how you list stagg's opening vote for alley as salt, but leave mine open for interpretation, when it was clearly for the same reason.

Also for the record, I was trying to yeet her at 9:01am, but Animal LazyWife wouldnt unlock the thread.

Getting a bit shady (before someone comes in with “there’s no shade there”, I’m inferring from “strange” that the implication is supposed to be that shorty is purposefully/nefariously trying to misrepresent him) with shorty who is scumreading z

I think cubs disagrees, but I actually had the same vibe that Vis did here about the "strange." As bass-ackwards as it sounds, though, that actually had moved cubs slightly more village to me because it reminded me of the tone I saw from him in RvB. From my observations, having not actually played with him before this game, village!cubs takes things a little more personally than wolf!cubs, and sometimes to me, feels like he's almost looking for things to feel targeted by. This jived with that. But like I mentioned earlier, I wanted to scum-lean cubs in RvB for that tone and I'm basing my opposite read of it on him being village in that game; it doesn't surprise me if other people don't do that, and I won't be entirely surprised if I'm wrong.

I don’t understand the point being made here. 1) How would that be a double standard? In either case it sounds like the argument being made is that you should vote for your own scumreads instead of worrying at all about where your scumreads and townreads are voting. Which I don’t 100% agree with but it’s logically consistent. 2) Where are shorty or Coop (I’m not sure which one said whatever thing you are referencing since you thought you were replying to shorty here) attacking you for taking feelings about who you’d be voting with into account? Do you mean shorty and Coop not liking you apparently voting for Stagg without any prior posts on him apparently just because your townreads were voting there? Because going from that to “never take feelings on people on wagons in account when voting” is a… stretch.

I didn't really understand picking at this bone with Zenge when he'd replied to Coop thinking it was me.

I haven’t gotten vibes I usually do from village Z, I agree with shorty that he’s stretched people’s words, and his interactions about cubs really bother me (see my previous posts today). I’m also up for a Coops or cubs flip but I think overall I feel worst about Z.

unvote Coop
Vote Z

I didn't pull all the cubs/Zenge hypothesizing because I'm going to run out of characters and have to split the post, but I didn't really see any smoking guns about the two of them together in what she had talked about.

@Viscernable, how do you feel about cubs today?

I didn’t remember any of the chaos/LIS interaction because it was mostly after I was dead and I didn’t even read all of bioshock while I was alive let alone after. Shorty’s link inspired me to go back and look for the relevant posts and yeah, I see the same thing happening with chaos tunneling someone for something the person feels they have explained and that he is misrepresenting, while chaos feels they have not adequately explained, and other people seem pretty confused about the whole thing.

I like that she took the time to go back and pull all of these quotes because I'm too lazy and didn't, but it feels villagey that she wanted to see what I was talking about with Chaos tunneling and put in a fair amount of effort to do so.

I feel fine about Dina village reading Cray early because I feel the exact same way. I’m general afraid of initially village-reading Cray and even if she sounds village she stays in neutral on policy for a couple days, but this game given her general feelings on wolfing, how much she’s wolfed recently, and how genuine her posts sounded, I really believed she would not choose scum if she had a non-negative-utility village option (which we knew she almost certainly did because of her discard)

This felt like a lot of words about someone who was already dead. Especially when I hadn't said that I was bothered by Dina village-leaning Cray, I was just surprised by it.

Reminder to myself to look more at this later when I’m not focused on deciding between voting Coop/Z before deadline

Do you still need a reminder, @Viscernable?

Let’s not, because I have no interest in again spending 48 hours trying to defend myself while no one listens because they’ve already made up their minds about me because I had the audacity to not magically know exactly who else is village. Especially not after just rereading from Bioshock.

From my mod PM at EOD:

Obnoxious that Z fell on his no-self-prez sword with the goal of avoiding having an unproductive cycle of everyone tunneling on a villager and now that’s exactly what’s happening

Add me to the list of people who was surprised that we could quote ourselves from our mod PMs - I went and looked at the rules right after Vis posted this because I didn't want her to get in trouble or something. Idk man, she could have edited the text, but the formatting makes me think that they're really from her PM (because if you click the arrow, it does try to take you somewhere. No, you can't read people's PMs if you do that.). There was a delay, but if she was waiting for mod clarification, I can buy that.

Coop atm. I need to look more at alley and sunny to decide where I stand on them. Probably not cubs.

@Viscernable how are you feeling about Coop, alley, and sunny today?

Might have to reconsider cubs and chaos more, too.

Before feeling bad about cubs due to feeling like he and Z were buddying up I mostly just saw some minor scum points and no village points from D1 to balance them out, but aside from how I felt about him and Z, his responses felt a bit more town D2.

With reconsidering cubs I feel I also have to reconsider Chaos. Chaos I’ve been reading village because his reasoning and strategy sound very much like village chaos to me, but I haven’t seen him wolf and he may be very good at replicating his village self. He always uses a lot of picking out specific village vs scum tells and reading people based on just one or two of those, so I didn’t feel weird about him reading me town based on one post I made. His insistence cubs isn’t explaining himself feels off but it does look pretty similar to how he villaged in Bioshock with his read of LIS. I’m wondering if he might have decided I’d be a useful pocket villager based on how I agreed with him about strategy and because he saw Wonder getting sus from shorty for immediately scumreading me bc I’m a historically easy misyeet. From a quick search that happened after he read me town, so there’s at least one misgiving down.

I don't fully follow the logic here with reconsidering Chaos because of reconsidering cubs. I mean, I understand the principle of it, but I also feel like there's a possibility that cubs and Chaos could both be village with the interactions they've had. But she didn't say she was going to change her lean on him, just reconsider, so I guess that's okay.

tl;dr:
I still didn't really get anything that gave me STRONG wolf pings on Vissy. I've been village-leaning her, and there were moments in here that made me scratch my head, but I didn't see anything where I was like OMG VIS IS A WOLF. I didn't like her trying to push Coop and cubs for various jokes, but again, I don't see how it would benefit scum to push super weak points like that, repeatedly, when it's going to get so much heat. It feels to me more like a point that a villager won't let go of (... I might have some experience with doing that myself ... ). Forgetting Wonder was dead was weird, but I don't feel confident ascribing scumminess to that when I've seen multiple people of various affiliations try to talk to the dead in other games (I've seen village!Stagg do it multiple times in the same game lmao).

I'm curious to see her answers to my questions and her interactions with other people to see if it gives me a better idea of how I feel on her. Historically, like I mentioned yesterday, I'm not great at reading Vis, and in the past, it's been a better option for me to go against my gut feeling with her. So by that logic, I should want to yeet her today, but I'm not willing to go there right at this moment. I'd like to discuss more.

 

[supershorty]

Honestly if I was, Id probably have quit by now lol.

You say this like you know for sure that you're not the same faction 🤔

 

[sunshinefl]

I want to reiterate this in case people miss it at the end of my long post. Shorty and dubz are a “we” apparently.

WildZoo said:
I mean, I'm not gonna just hammer someone without thinking about it first.

This post gave me a little twinge like maybe you killed Dina hoping it would make vis look bad and you're disappointed it's not working. But I don't think Dina actually said she was going to consider voting for vis, unless shorty and I both missed it.

Why are you and shorty a “we” here? This struck me as super odd.

 

[supershorty]

I want to reiterate this in case people miss it at the end of my long post. Shorty and dubz are a “we” apparently.



Why are you and shorty a “we” here? This struck me as super odd.

I think it's just because we were both talking about Dina this morning, and I'd gone through her [Dina's] posts looking for mentions of/thoughts on Vissy.

 

[cubsrule4e]

You say this like you know for sure that you're not the same faction 🤔

Its a half hearted joking comment implying I dont really care for his playstyle. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Its a half hearted joking comment implying I dont really care for his playstyle. Nothing more, nothing less.

I guess adding "lols" with the comments doesnt even separate my serious posts from the joking ones anymore.

 

[supershorty]

I guess adding "lols" with the comments doesnt even separate my serious posts from the joking ones anymore.

I mean, I personally don't put any stock in whether people include a "lol" or not because that would be easy for any affiliation to do.

 

[cubsrule4e]

I mean, I personally don't put any stock in whether people include a "lol" or not because that would be easy for any affiliation to do.

I guess this is the difference between players like myself, or coop, or maybe even Mel. I look at joking comments as just that, a funny comment to entertain or poke fun, whereas I dont realize people are actually scrutinizing even those posts thinking there might be some hidden meaning behind them. I guess its time I just cut those out as to prevent confusion.

 

[WildZoo]

Why are you and shorty a “we” here? This struck me as super odd.

Because we literally talked about Dina's reads and what she said about vis in particular earlier today

 

[WildZoo]

I guess this is the difference between players like myself, or coop, or maybe even Mel. I look at joking comments as just that, a funny comment to entertain or poke fun, whereas I dont realize people are actually scrutinizing even those posts thinking there might be some hidden meaning behind them. I guess its time I just cut those out as to prevent confusion.

Sad to not be included in the fun times league 🙁

 

[supershorty]

I'm planning to ISO Vissy and probably alley if I have time, but I've got a few hours of meetings now, so those will come later this afternoon.

I'm not going to get around to alley's ISO today. But I plan to look into her and cubs tomorrow. It makes me nervous when I've been basing reads of people primarily on tone, and I've been doing that a lot for cubs and somewhat for her too.

 

[Viscernable]

He says Im trying to control the spread of info while also not liking me asking peoples alignments (thats me looking for info , thats like the opposite of controlling spread of info)

First misunderstanding between you two: cubs is considering trying to get certain info onto the thread to be controlling the spread of information, while chaos considers controlling spread of information to mean limiting spread of information

So I ask him to answer my questions as he hadnt done that yet.

I’m assuming he feels like he already answered what you’re controlling (initiating/asking for sharing affiliation cards = controlling what information gets shared). The first question (how else would you scumhunt other than having ideas about what scum vs village would be more likely to do) I agree he dodged.

I asked him why he thinks Im controlling and why he feels like I keep talking as if other people dont know how to play or something and he responds it with just "your playstyle is aggressive". This confuses me further , bc at that point I still never had any strong scumreads and havent gone on the offense yet. What does it even mean to be "aggressive"? .

The way I’ve been reading it is that he finds your start of immediately suggesting a strategy that involves everyone revealing something was aggressive. I think a lot of your confusion over this is just site meta. We don’t repeat setups exactly and only rarely do sequels that are very similar setups, so we don’t have established strategies for certain setups like mu, ms, ps, etc. Also I haven’t seen any open games on SDN so revealing in general is not really a thing here except as a last-ditch self-prez. I think it’s kind of weird that he insists this is an aggressive strategy because it’s not like you were telling people to ROLE reveal and even though we haven’t played greatest idea before I think the affiliation reveal strategy is pretty intuitive once explained, and your posts made it clear you weren’t proposing this as some kind of crazy scheme, you thought of it as just “okay this is how everyone starts a game of greatest idea”. But I think he has explained what he sees as aggressive. The other part I believe is the same thing as what he means by “talking about what scum would or wouldn’t do”: you have a very assertive way of explaining your reads. I rarely see you use qualifiers or note doubt about your reads. I think that’s part of what cubs is reacting to and apparently reading as “aggressive”. I think this is another difference in site meta, or at least a personal difference in style, rather than AI for either of you.

And Dubz said something like , Cubs was sus of me bc I said my alignment was Vigilante instead of Town Vigilante.

Yeah, he was pushing an idea that you had purposefully asked about revealing the role people used for affiliation in a confusing way to try to frame people negatively for not understanding. Idgi but I also don’t know how you missed this if you were searching his posts.



Overall this post reinforces how I felt about chaos, seems like he genuinely feels there are questions he is confused about why cubs is reading him scum, not like he’s pretending cubs hasn’t explained to make up shade on cubs, and definitely seems a lot like the argument with LIS. Kind of raising an eyebrow at Chaos allegedly missing cubs’s posts about the confusing language thing even when searching cubs’s posts, but idk the rest sounds genuine and nothing else about Chaos has really pinged me.

 

[sunshinefl]

Update for you @supershorty

you (top poster) now only have 3.879310344827586 times the number of posts I do (not including this current post)

 

[Viscernable]

Yeah. That's reasonable.

What's your POE looking like?

Village to village lean (unordered bc I don’t like to help scum decide who’s most village read) - Dubz, chaos, shorty, pleasey
Neutral - alley, sunny
Scum lean - cubs
Scum - Coops

 

[Viscernable]

In 2 minutes of looking i found 2 posts by me interacting w zenge that you missed- on the same page as one of the ones you quoted.



and there are probably more

misrepresentation of situations in a way that shades someone isn't exactly a village look yo

This feels a bit overly defensive/retaliatory aggressive to someone missing posts that I’m pretty sure aren’t searchable as interactions with Z because they don’t include his name.

 

[Viscernable]

On reread, this bolded part feels a little weird to me. Presumably, we all looked into what our various roles were before choosing what we'd use them for (if we did at all), so why would she need to look at the list to do this? And we don't actually know that those roles are 100% not in the game, because people aren't/weren't 100% honest with them anyway. The only roles that we can know for sure aren't in the game are the ones that AM listed as people's discards.

No, but since villagers presumably wouldn’t be lying about them and presumably villagers would be the majority, it would give scum a lot more info about what roles aren’t in the game. If there weren’t redundancy in roles that, if they could be in the game, scum have to play less aggressively/more defensively/juggle more concerns, then it would be bad for scum to be able to say “okay unless player y is lying then there’s no vig/no watcher/whatever”. I wanted to be sure that wasn’t a big risk if we all reveal our aff cards as was proposed, not just mine.

 

[Viscernable]

I don't love this. There was plenty to suss Coop for on D1, but I don't see much value in sussing people's very first posts on the thread.

Shorty 1/2 to 3/4 of the basics wolfpack was pretty much caught D1 over our first posts on the thread

 

[WildZoo]

Hmm. I really am wavering on that Vis read.

 

[Viscernable]

I think cubs disagrees, but I actually had the same vibe that Vis did here about the "strange." As bass-ackwards as it sounds, though, that actually had moved cubs slightly more village to me because it reminded me of the tone I saw from him in RvB. From my observations, having not actually played with him before this game, village!cubs takes things a little more personally than wolf!cubs, and sometimes to me, feels like he's almost looking for things to feel targeted by.

This is a good point and I’ll consider it. @WildZoo @Coopah you’ve played much more with cubs, is he generally less defensive/“woe is me” as a wolf?

 

[sunshinefl]

Here is me taking an hour to format and respond to shorty’s inquisition, a post so long no one will read it anyway, except shorty who either has a scum agenda or has a bias.

sunshinefl said:
They could pick softer abilities simply for the fact that they think it “clears” them. Like right here in your post. Now I’m kinda side eyeing you for not seeing that.

Shorty:

This was when sunny and Zenge had that philosophical disagreement about whether scum would discard powerful abilities to try and get village cred. I still don't think it's as viable of a strategy as keeping a role like ninja or strongman and using it to end the game faster, but I don't feel like it's wolfy to argue sunny's side of it. And sunny sussing Zenge on D1 is NAI for both of them.

-me, now: okay? I stand by considering that option rather than blindly handing out village cards.

sunshinefl said:
Interesting, because this seems pretty simple and you’re usually thinking of elaborate 52368 step plans

Shorty:
Reading back through, this feels a little weird because I feel like Zenge's approach of "scum keeps the powerful role, scum ends the game faster" is simpler than "discard the powerful role and try to get village cred for it," and when he's had convoluted ideas in the past, he's gotten really sussed for it, regardless of his affiliation. This almost feels like she's trying to shade him for NOT having a crazy complex idea.
@sunshinefl, it's hard for me to tell reading the quote, is the "this" you were referring to your thought about discarding strong roles for village cred, or is it referring to Zenge's thought?

-me now: okay but the point was for zenge not to see it when he can see way more complex chess moves was weird. “This” was referring to the alternative hypothesis I presented. The possibility that they would discard good wolf/mafia abilities yet still be wolf/mafia.

sunshinefl said:
Chaos brings in a whole different play style from other forums. He often says weird stuff lol

Shorty:
To borrow a line from Cray, sunny's tone seems different from previous games I've played with her, but I noticed a tonal shift in RvB and I suspect it's more because she's super busy and not as invested in the game as a result.

-me, now: I am definitely less invested now, but this post is 100% normal from my core persona as a human. And I stand by it.

sunshinefl said:
Yeet zenge

Shorty:
Then she yeets Zenge, which, based on interactions to this point is just based on the previous philosophical talk.

-me, now: it was day 1. And I had *something* to latch onto with his refusal to entertain an alternative hypothesis for the discards.

sunshinefl said:
I dont have a lot of leanings yet and the ones I do I dont have evidence for, they're just feelings. Ive been playing more and more that way lately, let alone this chaotic game with multiple factions.

Roster


1. @supershorty town?


3. @vetschoolsletmeinplease


4. @Viscernable concerned


5. @sunshinefl TOWN!!!!!


6. @alleycat03


7. @WildZoo concerned


9. @Zenge142 concerned


10. @Dinashadow okay


11. @Coopah odd


13. @Chaostrodon


14. @cubsrule4e okay
Click to expand...

Shorty:
Here's the first feels list.

-me, now: okay?

sunshinefl said:
Yeet Visc

just a feeling. Not strong enough to try to persuade others, and Im willing to re-assess as the day goes on.

Shorty:
And then this comes out of nowhere. Now, she did have Vis listed as "concerned" in her reads list, but there's no mention of why. I have to admit it gives me a bit of pause when someone comes into the game, doesn't put in as much effort as I'm used to seeing from them (I know sunny is busy and that is at least part of it, I'm not discounting that), and then puts their vote on 2 people who are historically easy misyeets (Zenge D1, Vis D2) with minimal reasoning given and few interactions to help give context. She does give some reasoning on Vis after I ask (below).

-me now: not out of nowhere from my perspective. She was creeping up. And as you yourself note she was under “concerned”. Also, funny how I mentioned the Visc sus first and I’m getting **** for it, but yet you yourself and many others are now on board with it.

sunshinefl said:
Her posts mainly include: jumping on Stagg which is the easy thing to do, and random things that look like she's saying something but its not really... like about making AM angry, roles that no one has, fighting with chaos about math, etc.

Shorty:
But I'm not sure I fully follow it because this doesn't seem like a fully accurate representation of Vissy's posts to this point. The jumping on Stagg comment feels a little off (although I do think Vissy voting him right out of the gate because she thought he'd be more likely to pick scum felt strange at the time, but it turned out to be right AND wasn't what started the wagon on him anyway. Vis wasn't even on his vote at EOD.). Vissy has made some joke posts here and there, but they haven't been the majority of her content, and the bolded is really oversimplifying the disagreement that she and Chaos were having.

-me, now: wow you DEMAND an explanation after I literally said word for word “just a feeling. Not strong enough to try to persuade others, and Im willing to re-assess as the day goes on.” AND I do my best to go back and glance through her posts for a few things that had stuck out at me (AND I HATE to re-read the thread. It’s akin to learning medicine. I gain my impression/epiphany and I move on with my life. I can’t recite it word for word or even tell you where I learned something. The important thing is the concept that stuck. In this case that something was off with Visc). And you have the nerve to say it wasn’t perfect.

sunshinefl said:
I explained it in the very quote you posted. He’s handing out town cred I don’t agree with and don’t think he would if he was town.

Shorty:
She says this in response to Coop saying she didn't understand the Zenge side-eye, and I think it's kinda weird. When you go back to the post she's talking about, it's the philosophical discussion that I quoted earlier in this post, and she never actually verbalizes that this is her apparent issue with Zenge's take on it. It seemed like her disagreement with him was on him not coming up with some complex, crazy idea. I don't think it's impossible that this is actually how she was feeling, but it seems odd that she never actually said that this was her issue with it.

-me, now: at some point I started to worry he was shielding a teammate with his refusal to see an alternative. I’ll make sure to send you a carrier pigeon (shoutout Dr. Mayo) every time I have a thought.

sunshinefl said:
Well so far I’m mostly neutral to village read except for you and coop, who I already ranked in the “concerned” category, which is the strongest I have on anyone yet.

I did think it was funny that I was reconsidering you since you were seeing the Visc sus, but then you somehow slid me in there without an explanation so LOL

Shorty:
Yet now Zenge is included in "mostly neutral to village read" since she's replying to Dubz here, with no explanation of why that read has changed. This is right around the time that Zenge replied to Coop thinking she was me, if anyone wants context of what point of squabbling this was. Edited to correct this because she's talking about herself here. As noted in a post I made later today, this doesn't really fit with sunny's play in other games when she gets scum-leaned, especially by one of her scum-leans, but not using reactivity to determine wolfiness.

-me, now: OMG this horse has already been beat to death.

sunshinefl said:
Well dang who is zenge talking to since no one wants to claim it lmaooo

Shorty:
I remember thinking this was a little strange since it was pretty obvious what was going on, but it didn't ping me. Just seemed weird.

-me, now: I just thought it was amusing

sunshinefl said:
Hey @supershorty remember when you said you were pressuring dubz and she said don’t bother I don’t get pressured, and then posted a bunch like she was pressured? Yeah me too.

Shorty:
I really think that my voting for Dubz had little to nothing to do with her increased activity, but I also knew that Dubz was IRL driving and stuff on Friday.

-me, now: more importantly though she did increase her “reactivity” (your favorite word) after that, despite saying she wouldn’t/doesn’t.

sunshinefl said:
I think he is, but he’s not really going that off the rails lmaoooo

Shorty:
Now Zenge is apparently back in sunny's scum leans since this was replying to me saying that if he wasn't scum, I had no idea what he was doing this game.

-me, now: as already discussed earlier, zenge never left. You were just being so dramatic about his play I felt the need to respond and say you were really overstating it.

sunshinefl said:
Weirdly, shorty seems to be overreacting to zenge which is making me feel slightly worse about shorty and slightly better about zenge. But then again there are multiple factions so maybe I should just feel worse about shorty

Shorty:
This feels like sunny knew he was going to flip village and was setting up to sus me for going after him. I wasn't overreacting, and there are plenty of examples of me being sassy at people who I thought were wolfing and caught. I will say that I was nitpicking at everything that felt hedgy or off, but do keep in mind that when Zenge is scum, I tend to die VERY early (N2 in one case, and N0(!!) in the other. I was very excited thinking I might have caught him before he could off me.

Plus he and I were laughing so much IRL sitting across from each other on the couch lightning posting at each other... it was fun and fed the energy.

-me, now: how the heck could it seem I knew he would flip village?

1. I said I should sus you more not him less
2. There are multiple factions. So even if I was bad, which I’m not, I would have no way of knowing if zenge was a different type of bad.

Also, you 100% were overreacting to him. And I don’t care if you guys had a chuckle IRL. Has nothing to do with the observable fact you being way overboard with reacting to every single thing he said on thread. I didn’t say you were making him sad, I said you were being twisty. And thanks for continuing to remind me because I need to bump your rating down more.

sunshinefl said:
LOL was that subtle shade?

But here you go


Roster

1. @supershorty okay

Overreacting to zenge

3. @vetschoolsletmeinplease okay

4. @Viscernable concerned

5. @sunshinefl TOWN!!!!!

6. @alleycat03 concerned

7. @WildZoo concerned

9. @Zenge142 sus

10. @Dinashadow okay

11. @Coopah odd

13. @Chaostrodon okay

14. @cubsrule4e okay
Click to expand...

Shorty:
The first sentence still feels weird. Asking if it's subtle shade for calling her previous feels list a feels list? I don't feel like I can call these reads lists when she's not classifying people as town or not town (other than herself). Also noting that Zenge is now "sus," which I assume is the worst thing on here, but she kept her vote on Vissy, who was listed as "concerned." So in the time between her last feels list and this one, Zenge went from "concerned" to "sus," while she was stating that she was feeling slightly BETTER about him because of how he and I were interacting, and Vissy stayed at "concerned" the whole time, but her vote is on Vissy.

That doesn't feel great. Particularly the part I bolded.

-me, now: it was rude, so I called you out. Being dismissive of my reads list since they were largely based on feelings and weren’t strong enough for you.

As far as zenge “sus” and Visc not at that point, there are multiple updates I don’t post on thread, and yet I don’t update the list every time I have a thought. Feel free to post your reads list every minute so we can scrutinize it to see if it’s in sync with the thread at every second.

sunshinefl said:
Concerned is very slightly scum side of neutral. She just largely hasn’t done anything villagey.

And.... Okay is like very slightly town side of neutral for me. He started out kinda involved but then hasn’t done much.

Shorty:
And then there's this which is like ... everyone is basically in neutral except Zenge who is sus, but who she's not voting for, and is also feeling better about, but moved him to being sus? Pleasy then questioned her on this, and we see a really interesting turnaround with her ranked list:

-me, now: that’s correct, in a multi all game with zero real baddies outed, and I’m uninformed innocent, I don’t have strong feelings. You were “town?” at first but have managed to sink yourself lower and lower.

Also woooo you got me. Someone asked me to actually split hairs and rank everyone against each other so I did. And in the process of doing so, updated everyone.

sunshinefl said:
That’s correct. I really don’t have strong feelings yet. Could be apathy due to residency fatigue, or could be because of the multiple factions makes it harder.

But here is my ranked list:
5. @sunshinefl TOWN!!!!!

3. @vetschoolsletmeinplease okay

1. @supershorty okay

Overreacting to zenge

10. @Dinashadow okay

14. @cubsrule4e okay

13. @Chaostrodon okay

6. @alleycat03 concerned

7. @WildZoo concerned

11. @Coopah odd

9. @Zenge142 concerned

4. @Viscernable sus
Click to expand...

Shorty:
So NOW, Zenge has changed to concerned, and Vissy has moved down to sus.

-me, now: okay? Reads are fluid? I must be missing the point. Especially since I moved them around on my own. Not like you even tried to “gotcha” me then and so I moved them. Although if it went down like that, it’s just a lack of real time update. And yet it didn’t even go down like that. You’re just throwing shade after the fact.

sunshinefl said:
Well because as I said, because shorty seemed to be exaggerating everything zenge said. Like I was watching as a third party the twisting.

And if zenge really is village I’m going to move shorty down.

Shorty:
I'm really glad that I'm doing this ISO because of what I noted above in bold.

-me, now: and I’m really glad because I see again that I need to move you down more.

sunshinefl said:
This is not village alley. I really don’t see that. This only made me feel worse about her.

Shorty:
Dina and Dubz immediately asked her about this and she replied with a quote wall, which I'm going to link because quotes within quotes don't show up correctly. But I'm also going to quote part of it.

-me now: I had already said she was off. Then she made that post that was further offputting. And people specifically asked me what in that post. So I broke it down with commentary

sunshinefl said:
Feels like she’s unwilling to see what a lot of us are seeing and just piling on him instead

Shorty;
Suddenly "a lot of us" are seeing Zenge as not scummy, which I don't feel accurately reflected the game state.

-me now: okay shorty who hammered his coffin 🙄

sunshinefl said:
Alley I like you as a person so your sad reacts are hurting my heart.

but I really don’t think you are village.

Shorty:
This feels a little off and maybe slightly pockety.

-me, now: or it’s true and consistent with me as a human. Just like when people said complimenting Diff was pocketing and we were v/v

sunshinefl said:
Why? I voted for her yesterday and she remains my top choice. Plus I’m planting a flag in the sand, instead of no one voting for a long time. Plus I’m busy so it ensures I have a vote in worst case scenario.

I thought he was acting weird, but you were so over-exaggerating with him that it made him seem more reasonable by comparison.
supershorty said:
But you put your vote on Vis more than 24 hours before Zenge and I started really going at it (or I moved my vote to him). I'm just wondering what made you switch your most sus read from him to her, because the arguing started after that. There was some light sass, but I was still on Dubz when you voted.

Granted, I haven't gone back through your posts yet and maybe it's in there.
Click to expand...
sunshinefl said:
Well I didn’t journal about it, but even before your interactions with zenge downgraded my scum concerns, Visc on her own surpassed him with pinging me. And I felt like there wasn’t much chatter there vs with zenge from the thread, so I really wanted to put a spotlight there.

Shorty:
As mentioned above, this is not reflected in her feels lists when you look at timing. And the bottom-most post feels a little like backpedaling when I called her out on the timing issue.

-Me, now: OR.... hear me out.... that post was sincere. I don’t spell every thought out on the thread until it’s necessary or I’m asked. Visc was super sus and no one was talking about it. I shined a spotlight there and I get **** on. Despite the fact that then multiple people started agreeing.

sunshinefl said:
I did answer. Admittedly it’s flimsy, but I don’t have any hard evidence of anything at all.

Shorty:
This is true.

Shorty:
Hmmm. Can't say I came out of that feeling great about sunny. I'd like to hear others' thoughts though.
Remember that maj is at 5 votes today.

-me, now: 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

 

[Viscernable]

@Viscernable, how do you feel about cubs today?

Idk the vibes feel really suspect but I fear that’s confirmation bias. A lot of why I felt he was scummy yesterday was because I felt pretty strongly about him and Z wolfing together. Obviously that’s not true, so he’s a much less strong scum read, but I think I still want to read him scummier than I should based on the evidence because I want to have been right about him.

 

[Viscernable]

Do you still need a reminder, @Viscernable?

Yep thx