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supershorty said:
I don't fully follow the logic here with reconsidering Chaos because of reconsidering cubs. I mean, I understand the principle of it, but I also feel like there's a possibility that cubs and Chaos could both be village with the interactions they've had. But she didn't say she was going to change her lean on him, just reconsider, so I guess that's okay.
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I don’t think v/v is impossible especially after thinking more on it today with chaos’s post, but I was leaning towards it being w/v
 
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supershorty said:
Okay, so I went through all of Vissy's posts. I'm finding the kinds of analyses I usually do in ISOs to be much more difficult in a multi ball game because I rely so heavily on interactions between people, and with the distinct possibility of differentially factioned scum interacting and trying to game solve to get other scum out of the game, it's much more difficult to be like "I think this sus on this person was faked and here's why."

Vissy's first post on the thread. This was super early on D1, and I don't like to try and read too much into people's early D1 votes because at least half the time they're salt or joke votes anyway. Kind of interesting that it turned out to be true, but don't think we can read into that too much.





She and I had this exchange shortly thereafter. I still don't feel like discard analysis really tells us much because there are so few of us in the game and so many potential roles in play as a result, and I'm beginning to get a little paranoid that I'm basing my read of please too heavily on her discard because I was kind of in agreement about what Vissy (and later Zenge) said.

Then we have the whole Chaos-Vis role discussion, which I'm giving its own spoiler. Btw there is actually a moment of my own commentary in there, so do open it please.
On reread, this bolded part feels a little weird to me. Presumably, we all looked into what our various roles were before choosing what we'd use them for (if we did at all), so why would she need to look at the list to do this? And we don't actually know that those roles are 100% not in the game, because people aren't/weren't 100% honest with them anyway. The only roles that we can know for sure aren't in the game are the ones that AM listed as people's discards.










This last one was replying to Chaos' comment right above the >>some boy one.
I don't get scummy feels from either of them in this discussion, really. Chaos saying he was vig-aligned was weird, not going to disagree with that, but I'm not sure what to make of it. I still don't think that revealing our (alleged) alignment roles really gives scum much info to work with.

Alright, I'm toggling the BB code to see if I can get the quotes within the quotes to work. Bear with me, this one might take some editing to get right. This is all 1 bigger post of Vissy's, but I'm breaking it up so I can get my comments in there.

I don't love this. There was plenty to suss Coop for on D1, but I don't see much value in sussing people's very first posts on the thread.



Yeah, I don't really know what to make of this post by cubs. Is it factual? Yes. Does it feel like lightly throwing shade at alley? Yes. Could it still be the salt? Probably.


Both of these were referring to things Coop said. I strongly disagree with the top one - it feels stretchy trying to put wolfy vibes on Coop editing an obvious joke post. I agree with the bottom one - I felt like Coop was fishing, but I've mentioned that a bunch of times already in other posts, so I'm not going to go into detail on it here.



Again, going after something that's clearly a joke feels off and stretchy.


Strange reasoning when cubs was already on the board (although with only 1 vote). I don't see a ton in her ISO so far that really seems to justify the cubs vote, other than she took issue with his joke about Stagg and with the light shade toss at alley. She does justify it after Zenge asks, and gives this response:

That last sentence just feels ... icky. cubs then replies with this:

And Vissy replies with this, talking about the "one of 3 chances to be town" comment:

Which, skimming quickly and keeping in mind that I'm not doing a cubs ISO right now so I'm not searching every page of the thread for his response, doesn't look like he answered at least in the next 2 pages of thread.


The bottom part of this post gave me some feels when she first posted it, but I don't remember why and I'm not really getting them now, I just remember that it happened.


I agree with some of these reasons, but not the first one. Feels stretchy, as previously mentioned. On the other hand, I find myself wondering how it would benefit scum to try and push someone on super weak reasoning like that - they'd have to know that they'd be called out and face heat for it. In some ways, the fact that she's persisted with it feels more villagey to me even though it's stretchy as heck.


Forgetting that Wonder was dead. What's strange, on reread, is that she'd already posted acknowledging that Wonder was dead, because she responded to alley asking why Wonder would lie about her aff role:

So that's weird.


Talking about cubs and feels like a big stretch.



She considered the possibility of Zenge and cubs as scum together. I'm not reading much from people sussing Zenge and I won't hold that against her.



I think cubs disagrees, but I actually had the same vibe that Vis did here about the "strange." As bass-ackwards as it sounds, though, that actually had moved cubs slightly more village to me because it reminded me of the tone I saw from him in RvB. From my observations, having not actually played with him before this game, village!cubs takes things a little more personally than wolf!cubs, and sometimes to me, feels like he's almost looking for things to feel targeted by. This jived with that. But like I mentioned earlier, I wanted to scum-lean cubs in RvB for that tone and I'm basing my opposite read of it on him being village in that game; it doesn't surprise me if other people don't do that, and I won't be entirely surprised if I'm wrong.


I didn't really understand picking at this bone with Zenge when he'd replied to Coop thinking it was me.


I didn't pull all the cubs/Zenge hypothesizing because I'm going to run out of characters and have to split the post, but I didn't really see any smoking guns about the two of them together in what she had talked about.

@Viscernable, how do you feel about cubs today?


I like that she took the time to go back and pull all of these quotes because I'm too lazy and didn't, but it feels villagey that she wanted to see what I was talking about with Chaos tunneling and put in a fair amount of effort to do so.


This felt like a lot of words about someone who was already dead. Especially when I hadn't said that I was bothered by Dina village-leaning Cray, I was just surprised by it.


Do you still need a reminder, @Viscernable?


Add me to the list of people who was surprised that we could quote ourselves from our mod PMs - I went and looked at the rules right after Vis posted this because I didn't want her to get in trouble or something. Idk man, she could have edited the text, but the formatting makes me think that they're really from her PM (because if you click the arrow, it does try to take you somewhere. No, you can't read people's PMs if you do that.). There was a delay, but if she was waiting for mod clarification, I can buy that.


@Viscernable how are you feeling about Coop, alley, and sunny today?


I don't fully follow the logic here with reconsidering Chaos because of reconsidering cubs. I mean, I understand the principle of it, but I also feel like there's a possibility that cubs and Chaos could both be village with the interactions they've had. But she didn't say she was going to change her lean on him, just reconsider, so I guess that's okay.
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I still didn't really get anything that gave me STRONG wolf pings on Vissy. I've been village-leaning her, and there were moments in here that made me scratch my head, but I didn't see anything where I was like OMG VIS IS A WOLF. I didn't like her trying to push Coop and cubs for various jokes, but again, I don't see how it would benefit scum to push super weak points like that, repeatedly, when it's going to get so much heat. It feels to me more like a point that a villager won't let go of (... I might have some experience with doing that myself ... ). Forgetting Wonder was dead was weird, but I don't feel confident ascribing scumminess to that when I've seen multiple people of various affiliations try to talk to the dead in other games (I've seen village!Stagg do it multiple times in the same game lmao).

I'm curious to see her answers to my questions and her interactions with other people to see if it gives me a better idea of how I feel on her. Historically, like I mentioned yesterday, I'm not great at reading Vis, and in the past, it's been a better option for me to go against my gut feeling with her. So by that logic, I should want to yeet her today, but I'm not willing to go there right at this moment. I'd like to discuss more.
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While I appreciate this effort, and did read all of it, the whole thing to me boils down to you kind of "talking yourself out of vis" as an option. You conclude that there never really was anything strongly pinging you and that you had been village-leaning her (then why the need for all this reconsideration?), despite being one of the people last night after close to say you think you could possibly vote there (yes, i know thats not a committment to vote there). And then the very last line of the entire thing is a straight up hedge, i should want to vote her, but dont really, at least not yet. That's a lot of effort to get vis back into your village column.
 
cubsrule4e said:
I guess this is the difference between players like myself, or coop, or maybe even Mel. I look at joking comments as just that, a funny comment to entertain or poke fun, whereas I dont realize people are actually scrutinizing even those posts thinking there might be some hidden meaning behind them. I guess its time I just cut those out as to prevent confusion.
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Please don’t. Joking is what makes the game so fun. I will never read someone wolfy for making jokes and I hate when people get punished for having fun in these games. But everything that gets posted in these threads is fair game for analysis. If you make serious posts, you’ll get read based on the content of those. If you make joke posts, you’ll get read based on the content of those. If you make both, you’ll get read based on the content of all of them.

The content of joke posts is less AI than the content of serious posts, sure, but it seems ridiculous to me to say that as long as something is a joke it is 100% NAI and it can never contribute to someone’s read. You really think whether someone’s wolfing or villaging won’t change their mindset and influence what jokes they’re likely to think of and post, nor will it change what jokes they’re willing to make? I don’t see how your mindset wouldn’t influence your jokes, and I definitely calculate what jokes and fluff posts to make when I wolf. I don’t worry nearly as much about how they come off when I’m a villager because I know I’m in a villager mindset and I don’t have weird wolfing vibes and nerves that I have to try to cover up. This is why editing a fluff post before it would be noted as edited felt like wolfy nerves to me. I wouldn’t touch something as a wolf if it would then say “edited” without a clear reason for me to have edited it, but if I felt like I’d ****ed up a post and thought I could get away with editing it without being caught, sure (if within the rules obviously).

It’s obviously bad analysis to look at a joke and analyze it as if it were said seriously. I don’t think it’s bad to analyze a joke in the context of it being a joke, though.
 
cubsrule4e said:
While I appreciate this effort, and did read all of it, the whole thing to me boils down to you kind of "talking yourself out of vis" as an option. You conclude that there never really was anything strongly pinging you and that you had been village-leaning her (then why the need for all this reconsideration?), despite being one of the people last night after close to say you think you could possibly vote there (yes, i know thats not a committment to vote there). And then the very last line of the entire thing is a straight up hedge, i should want to vote her, but dont really, at least not yet. That's a lot of effort to get vis back into your village column.
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This is why you are my #2
 
cubsrule4e said:
While I appreciate this effort, and did read all of it, the whole thing to me boils down to you kind of "talking yourself out of vis" as an option. You conclude that there never really was anything strongly pinging you and that you had been village-leaning her (then why the need for all this reconsideration?), despite being one of the people last night after close to say you think you could possibly vote there (yes, i know thats not a committment to vote there). And then the very last line of the entire thing is a straight up hedge, i should want to vote her, but dont really, at least not yet. That's a lot of effort to get vis back into your village column.
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Me last night: says I could consider voting Vis today
Today: *considers*
You today: why all the need for reconsideration?

I literally did what I said I was going to do, dude. When one of my reads flips in a way I didn’t expect, I reevaluate things. Idk what you want.
 
sunshinefl said:
LOL I just matched your energy but okay
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No, you didn’t. But I don’t feel like having one of our knockdown drag out brawls again. We’ve gone a few games without that, and I’d rather it not start again because it’s exhausting.
 
Viscernable said:
First misunderstanding between you two: cubs is considering trying to get certain info onto the thread to be controlling the spread of information, while chaos considers controlling spread of information to mean limiting spread of information

I’m assuming he feels like he already answered what you’re controlling (initiating/asking for sharing affiliation cards = controlling what information gets shared). The first question (how else would you scumhunt other than having ideas about what scum vs village would be more likely to do) I agree he dodged.

The way I’ve been reading it is that he finds your start of immediately suggesting a strategy that involves everyone revealing something was aggressive. I think a lot of your confusion over this is just site meta. We don’t repeat setups exactly and only rarely do sequels that are very similar setups, so we don’t have established strategies for certain setups like mu, ms, ps, etc. Also I haven’t seen any open games on SDN so revealing in general is not really a thing here except as a last-ditch self-prez. I think it’s kind of weird that he insists this is an aggressive strategy because it’s not like you were telling people to ROLE reveal and even though we haven’t played greatest idea before I think the affiliation reveal strategy is pretty intuitive once explained, and your posts made it clear you weren’t proposing this as some kind of crazy scheme, you thought of it as just “okay this is how everyone starts a game of greatest idea”. But I think he has explained what he sees as aggressive. The other part I believe is the same thing as what he means by “talking about what scum would or wouldn’t do”: you have a very assertive way of explaining your reads. I rarely see you use qualifiers or note doubt about your reads. I think that’s part of what cubs is reacting to and apparently reading as “aggressive”. I think this is another difference in site meta, or at least a personal difference in style, rather than AI for either of you.
Yeah, he was pushing an idea that you had purposefully asked about revealing the role people used for affiliation in a confusing way to try to frame people negatively for not understanding. Idgi but I also don’t know how you missed this if you were searching his posts.



Overall this post reinforces how I felt about chaos, seems like he genuinely feels there are questions he is confused about why cubs is reading him scum, not like he’s pretending cubs hasn’t explained to make up shade on cubs, and definitely seems a lot like the argument with LIS. Kind of raising an eyebrow at Chaos allegedly missing cubs’s posts about the confusing language thing even when searching cubs’s posts, but idk the rest sounds genuine and nothing else about Chaos has really pinged me.
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Chaos doing nothing but tunneling one player, and other than helping coordinate role discovery at the beginning of D1, not even interacting or giving any kind of in depth reads outside of me and maybe calling dubz village - that doesnt ping you? Not even just a nanosmidge?

Viscernable said:
Idk the vibes feel really suspect but I fear that’s confirmation bias. A lot of why I felt he was scummy yesterday was because I felt pretty strongly about him and Z wolfing together. Obviously that’s not true, so he’s a much less strong scum read, but I think I still want to read him scummier than I should based on the evidence because I want to have been right about him.
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So.... really you didnt reconsider me at all then. Validated why I felt what I did and that it was legit, your zenge/cubs narrative fell apart, yet I feel like I actually moved up on your scum list even further. You basically used your re-eval of me to re-affirm/strengthen your chaos read because he had the same exact interaction with someone else in one other game that he was village in. And then at the same time I'm being told by dubz that i need to "do better" when I tried to use meta to evaluate her in this same game.

I guess I'm just a little pissed because if the roles were reversed and I was doing what chaos was doing right now, id be getting called out left and right and would be next on the chopping block.
 
Viscernable said:
Please don’t. Joking is what makes the game so fun. I will never read someone wolfy for making jokes and I hate when people get punished for having fun in these games. But everything that gets posted in these threads is fair game for analysis. If you make serious posts, you’ll get read based on the content of those. If you make joke posts, you’ll get read based on the content of those. If you make both, you’ll get read based on the content of all of them.

The content of joke posts is less AI than the content of serious posts, sure, but it seems ridiculous to me to say that as long as something is a joke it is 100% NAI and it can never contribute to someone’s read. You really think whether someone’s wolfing or villaging won’t change their mindset and influence what jokes they’re likely to think of and post, nor will it change what jokes they’re willing to make? I don’t see how your mindset wouldn’t influence your jokes, and I definitely calculate what jokes and fluff posts to make when I wolf. I don’t worry nearly as much about how they come off when I’m a villager because I know I’m in a villager mindset and I don’t have weird wolfing vibes and nerves that I have to try to cover up. This is why editing a fluff post before it would be noted as edited felt like wolfy nerves to me. I wouldn’t touch something as a wolf if it would then say “edited” without a clear reason for me to have edited it, but if I felt like I’d ****ed up a post and thought I could get away with editing it without being caught, sure (if within the rules obviously).

It’s obviously bad analysis to look at a joke and analyze it as if it were said seriously. I don’t think it’s bad to analyze a joke in the context of it being a joke, though.
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I do understand, but as I was implying above, and as coop I believe mentioned earlier, I feel like when I started out there was more "fun" to it in terms of overall interactions and gameplay. People wanted to win, but it feels like it went from JV level to Olympic caliber in 6 months and Im just completely overmatched with all of these quote walls and analyzing of jokes. I definitely agree that jokes can be different with different mindsets in affiliation, but ive always just been a make a joke and throw it out there kinda player. Sometimes it felt wolfy, sometimes not - I didnt win most likely to be wolf read by doing nothing - but it was moreso the placement or timing; now the actual joke itself seems to carry a ton of weight, and is looked at even more (at least by you in this game) than some of the reads Ive put out there. I feel like a lot of my reads just get passed over as if theyre all just unfounded or unreasonable, but my "pings" are way magnified compared to someone else doing the same thing. Just because I'm not the player that throws out quote walls (props to shorty and sunny for that fireworks show) doesnt mean I dont care or am not trying to wolfhunt.
 
cubsrule4e said:
And then at the same time I'm being told by dubz that i need to "do better" when I tried to use meta to evaluate her in this same game.
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This is really mischaracterizing what she said, you were suspecting her because she was posting in the way that she usually posts now because back when you were playing with her she posted differently.
 
Viscernable said:
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Well my first quote of you in my post is from post1240 - where you explained to chaos my side of the story and how you can see that its reasonable.

Second quote is post1249 where you comment on, specifically, your updated thoughts on me today, in addition to posting an updated reads list before that, having me as second most sus.
 
cubsrule4e said:
I do understand, but as I was implying above, and as coop I believe mentioned earlier, I feel like when I started out there was more "fun" to it in terms of overall interactions and gameplay. People wanted to win, but it feels like it went from JV level to Olympic caliber in 6 months and Im just completely overmatched with all of these quote walls and analyzing of jokes. I definitely agree that jokes can be different with different mindsets in affiliation, but ive always just been a make a joke and throw it out there kinda player. Sometimes it felt wolfy, sometimes not - I didnt win most likely to be wolf read by doing nothing - but it was moreso the placement or timing; now the actual joke itself seems to carry a ton of weight, and is looked at even more (at least by you in this game) than some of the reads Ive put out there. I feel like a lot of my reads just get passed over as if theyre all just unfounded or unreasonable, but my "pings" are way magnified compared to someone else doing the same thing. Just because I'm not the player that throws out quote walls (props to shorty and sunny for that fireworks show) doesnt mean I dont care or am not trying to wolfhunt.
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Idk if this is the reason for others, but for me your reasoning and reads felt just as genuine as wolf vs villager so I’m not even gonna go there. If some wolves/mafia/aliens had flipped, or if it weren’t multiball so we could look at whether your interactions with flipped villagers looked like you knew they were villager, then I’d be analyzing your reads more. But that would be based on how you were reading flipped players, not handing out village points for good reasoning on them, since you have good reasoning as a wolf as well. So a lot of what I’ve got left to analyze you on is just tone, jokes, and feelings.
 
Viscernable said:
This is really mischaracterizing what she said, you were suspecting her because she was posting in the way that she usually posts now because back when you were playing with her she posted differently.
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The point is we were both using what we at least FELT to be a reasonable meta tactic. Yours is apparently acceptable while mine isnt so much because its based on games too long ago.
 
cubsrule4e said:
Well my first quote of you in my post is from post1240 - where you explained to chaos my side of the story and how you can see that its reasonable.

Second quote is post1249 where you comment on, specifically, your updated thoughts on me today, in addition to posting an updated reads list before that, having me as second most sus.
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Yeah but I haven’t reconsidered you yet because I haven’t done rereading. I reconsidered chaos’s side of things because his post addressed the concerns I had. Also, I can definitely see where you’re coming from with concern over him having just one scum read for a long time, but sometimes that’s just how it is when you’re villaging. I’ve been a villager with no scum reads into D2 or D3 and just hoping no one asks me lmao.
 
Viscernable said:
Idk if this is the reason for others, but for me your reasoning and reads felt just as genuine as wolf vs villager so I’m not even gonna go there. If some wolves/mafia/aliens had flipped, or if it weren’t multiball so we could look at whether your interactions with flipped villagers looked like you knew they were villager, then I’d be analyzing your reads more. But that would be based on how you were reading flipped players, not handing out village points for good reasoning on them, since you have good reasoning as a wolf as well. So a lot of what I’ve got left to analyze you on is just tone, jokes, and feelings.
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Fair enough. My reply to that would be then, unfortunately im screwed, because everyone has a gut feeling on people usually, just in general even, and if you have to try to somehow change that without much evidence available, youre trying to do the impossible.

But I also now expect not to be called out and criticized and accumulate wolf points if Im having to base someone on tone and feels until something more concrete becomes available.
 
Viscernable said:
Yeah but I haven’t reconsidered you yet because I haven’t done rereading. I reconsidered chaos’s side of things because his post addressed the concerns I had. Also, I can definitely see where you’re coming from with concern over him having just one scum read for a long time, but sometimes that’s just how it is when you’re villaging. I’ve been a villager with no scum reads into D2 or D3 and just hoping no one asks me lmao.
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Well I was mentioned several times in all of that and then placed as a scum read, so forgive me if I wasnt supposed to think that was also you commenting on me.
 
Viscernable said:
This feels a bit overly defensive/retaliatory aggressive to someone missing posts that I’m pretty sure aren’t searchable as interactions with Z because they don’t include his name.
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To me it was the phrasing of his original post- the original post was worded and ordered so it looked like my zenge vote came out of no where, which just wasn’t true
 
sunshinefl said:
And point to where it’s wolf sunny of the past since that’s what we’re doing here apparently :shrug:

Exactly. Even before residency I was writing less and less game notes. R v B was during orientation and it was barely minimal something. Now I’m in full fledged resident life and it’s even less. Natural progression of Downtrending notes plus busy and lack of energy even when I’m off. And guess what my affiliation was there. VILLAGE.

And it’s also not okay to give me bad guy points for being a month 1 resident. Unless of course you are a bad guy in which case hey go crazy taking advantage of that fact. Also I’m pretty sure shorty’s not giving me village points for being busy, she’s just *not* giving me bad guy points for it which seems to be triggering you.

My point is I’m not some mysterious, elusive entity off of the thread because I’m busy. My takes are right there on record. I’m just not being as proactive as I could be.

This rude phrasing continues pissing me off at a personal level.

You know who else can be busy? TOWN.

Why are you and shorty a “we” here? This struck me as super odd.
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vetschoolsletmeinplease said:
To me it was the phrasing of his original post- the original post was worded and ordered so it looked like my zenge vote came out of no where, which just wasn’t true
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Oh were the quotes out of order? Because missing quotes looked accidental but that sounds more deliberate
 
cubsrule4e said:
Fair enough. My reply to that would be then, unfortunately im screwed, because everyone has a gut feeling on people usually, just in general even, and if you have to try to somehow change that without much evidence available, youre trying to do the impossible.

But I also now expect not to be called out and criticized and accumulate wolf points if Im having to base someone on tone and feels until something more concrete becomes available.
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I’m getting **** on for this as we speak.

also funny that you mentioned me and shorty making giant posts when I’m also getting **** on for not doing that. (I have the one giant post because of responding to shorty’s giant post framing me)
Coopah said:
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If you’re going to continue being rude I’m going to call you coo. Which is an easy transition from the cute little one word response you gave me.
 
sunshinefl said:
I’m getting **** on for this as we speak.

also funny that you mentioned me and shorty making giant posts when I’m also getting **** on for not doing that. (I have the one giant post because of responding to shorty’s giant post framing me)

If you’re going to continue being rude I’m going to call you coo. Which is an easy transition from the cute little one word response you gave me.
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That's not rude dude that's me disengaging from this argument that's getting no one anywhere.

So bye.
 
Viscernable said:
This is a good point and I’ll consider it. @WildZoo @Coopah you’ve played much more with cubs, is he generally less defensive/“woe is me” as a wolf?
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Um cubs is an enigma and gets scum read so often as a villager it's hard to distinguish between him being wolfy. What I may remember is him trying to fly under the radar more as a woof. Which is giving me slight feels this game because I keep forgetting he's playing. But it's been a while so idk
 
WildZoo said:
Think I'm gonna...

Vote chaos

And see how that feels? Idk.
I have a **** ton to do today so will probably be sparse, sorry.
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Interesting. Did you end up doing this and that’s contributing?
WildZoo said:
If I can create some time later I was going to go read through Chaos's posts in flushy's time heist game, since he was scum there
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WildZoo said:
Think I'm gonna...

Vote chaos

And see how that feels? Idk.
I have a **** ton to do today so will probably be sparse, sorry.
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Well, I was going to come out and go here but it looks like you beat me to it. Moreso for pressure to get some discourse going. But if one vote doesnt work by mid-day I have no problem becoming number 2.
 
Coopah said:
Um cubs is an enigma and gets scum read so often as a villager it's hard to distinguish between him being wolfy. What I may remember is him trying to fly under the radar more as a woof. Which is giving me slight feels this game because I keep forgetting he's playing. But it's been a while so idk
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@ anyone, where is the vote counter thing? Just ISO someone and it tells you the number of posts? Pretty sure ive contributed at least as much as half or more than the rest of players.
 
cubsrule4e said:
@ anyone, where is the vote counter thing? Just ISO someone and it tells you the number of posts? Pretty sure ive contributed at least as much as half or more than the rest of players.
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If you search the thread (using threadloom) and don’t put anyone’s name in the search box, you’ll then go to a screen with a number of drop down menus, including user. That one tells you the number of posts people have.

If that explanation doesn’t make a ton of sense, I made a screenshot guide of it in Bioshock for LIS that I can go find.
 
cubsrule4e said:
So... now youre saying youre actively trying to die?
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Coopah said:
And yeah don't throw stones in glass houses but I was actively trying to die and you weren't
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I feel like the tense here is important. Seems like if she were still trying to die, she’d have kept posting the kind of stuff she did D1 that had a bunch of us gunning for her right off the bat.
 
supershorty said:
Interesting. Did you end up doing this and that’s contributing?
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Very briefly, mostly skimming through to see if there was anything that jumped out as "Wow this CANNOT be scum chaos here," which I know isn't the best metric but I'm having such a hard time right now. Everyone keeps making me think they're village.
 
Ok so BRIEF skim through on cubs (I ain't shorty with that insanity)
  • Has fight with chaos about... Basically nothing? Almost read like padding to me.
  • Scum read dubz because she was catching up on thread and felt she normally didn't do it in that particular format when village (which I do NOT remember as that being the case)
  • .... Any other major points???
This is why I feel like there's not much there (I don't mean to offend you cubs this is just what I'm seeing)
 
Coopah said:
Thoughts on ally? I haven't seen much from her
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I have felt fine with the content that she has posted when she's here. Didn't necessarily agree with her reads but the reasoning seemed decent, and when she has been here (and sober lol) she's felt pretty engaged.
 
Coopah said:
... Was. Wish I did but now I'm too sketchy for the wolves to kill and for some reason ppl don't want to yeet me so I'm stuck and actually have to participate because otherwise it's just not fair to literally everyone
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What are you trying to say? You wanted to quit the game via early death? Or you had a win con to die? What?
 
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