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Animal Midwife said:
So what does this list look like?
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Least wolfy = least i suspect to be a wolf.

After getting burned by getting pocketed in a powerwolfing strategy and getting burned by inactive wolves coasting through, I can't reliably assess who's village with confidence. All I can do is say who I most strongly suspect to be wolf and vote there.

Trusting no one is a valid village strategy.
 
Oh wait I might have misread there. I have my strongest wolf read on Cray. I think Stagg is least likely to be wolf from what I read. I also think Pawsy is least likely to be wolf as well.
 
Lawper said:
Oh wait I might have misread there. I have my strongest wolf read on Cray. I think Stagg is least likely to be wolf from what I read. I also think Pawsy is least likely to be wolf as well.
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Any lean on capri, Mel, and me?
 
Unofficial Day 2 Gonna-go-fill-my-buck-draw-today Lynch Tally

Cray (3) - Stagg, Lawpy, Paws
AM () -
Mutts (1) - Mel
Lawpy (1) - AM

5/8
Lynch ends in ~ 6 hours
 
Lawper said:
I also don't know what to make of Stagg. Iirc he pocketed as wolf in a past game so I can't trust him.

So I'm just going by most wolfy to least wolfy. I have no village reads.
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Lol, I did and I'm pretty sure Bryndy will never trust me again after that. However, we were also able to PM in that game and I had previously been PM partners with BJ multiple times, so pocketing was easier. Idk how to pocket only on thread yet, my wolf-fu is not that strong yet. Life goals though...

Animal Midwife said:
That's good actually because I thought she was acting different this game and now that question is answered.
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Can you clarify what you meant by this? I feel like I'm misinterpreting that statement.

muttmanager said:
Waffling in general is a red flag to me
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Depends on who is waffling and when. Certain people commit to votes pretty heavily while others could be nicknamed IHOP. Just wait until you play a game with @PippyPony , you'll have so many flags you can create your own United Nations...
 
So I've been reading the thread off and on today but I feel like I missed a lot so I'm gonna go back and reread. For now I'll keep my vote where my feels were yesterday and

Lynch Cray

(Girl where you at?)
 
Crayola227 said:
I haven't read anythign besides muttmanager at this point

I'm durnk at the moment

Stagg's post was wolfy because coming after me for the reason he did, sure it could be v vs/ v but I dunna think so sassenach.

I don't know why Stagg and Lawper can't get off my... stick.
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I can't say I've ever seen Cray drunk-post on a WW thread. Also note to self to find Stagg's post that she's referring to.
Stagg737 said:
Respond to this when you're sober, but we just lost to wolves last game because village let them coast without participating until endgame. I'm not allowing that two games in a row.
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I feel like this is more of an anomaly than a trend. In my experience wolves usually win by taking advantage of lazy villagers. (Or maybe I've just played with a lot of power wolves. :thinking:) Basically I think normally quiet players being quiet isn't anything to squint at, but when normally talkative players are quiet, or normally quiet players are talkative it's weird.
 
Lawper said:
I'm hesitant to village read anyone now given the shelter flip
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Wait wait wait what do you mean by this? I originally read this thinking you were saying you were wrong on your read of Shelter, but I went back and ISO'd you and you didn't hardly mention her at all (before this point anyway)? You pointed out that she and Dandy had directly contradictory statements, but you didn't indicate whether you thought that was wolfy or villagey. You also didn't vote for her either.

Stagg737 said:
Why?
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Lawper said:
Because powerwolfing is a possibility
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Stagg737 said:
It always was, why does the shelter flip concern you that much though? Did you believe that strongly that she was wolf?
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Lawper said:
I thought shelter was wolf because her argument that AM wasn't active contradicted directly with dandy's argument and AM did post in some detail. And shelter herself wasn't really active.
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I don't really follow the jump from Shelter was village --> there must be power wolves. Also this is the first time you explicitly say that you thought Shelter was wolfy, which wasn't even really necessary? because you didn't have her blood on your hands. I guess I mean, why did you vote Cray when you thought Shelter was wolfy? IMO it kind of sounds like you wanted to push a mislynch but didn't want the blood on your hands.

Lawper said:
@muttmanager @capri1722 @Melchizedek what are your thoughts so far?
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Hi.

Animal Midwife said:
Day 1 Lynch Tally
Stagg (1) - Cray
Lawper () -
Capri (3) - Dandy, shelter, Paws
Cray (1) - Lawpy
shelter (4) - AM, mutt, Stagg, capri
AM (1) - Mel

10/10
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Not game related: the fact that the parentheses are bolded on Cray and Stagg but nothing else bothers me immensely.

StayingPositive2017 said:
so you noticed that too... hmmm
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What's the hmmm for?

Melchizedek said:
:shrug: i have feels there because I think she's wolfed like this before (MIA and used IRL to explain) but I just have more reason to lynch Mutts right now. If Mutts flips wolf, then I'm looking at Cray next.
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What about the reverse? If Cray flips wolf/village, then what does that mean for Mutts?
 
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capri1722 said:
Wait wait wait what do you mean by this? I originally read this thinking you were saying you were wrong on your read of Shelter, but I went back and ISO'd you and you didn't hardly mention her at all (before this point anyway)? You pointed out that she and Dandy had directly contradictory statements, but you didn't indicate whether you thought that was wolfy or villagey. You also didn't vote for her either.

I don't really follow the jump from Shelter was village --> there must be power wolves. Also this is the first time you explicitly say that you thought Shelter was wolfy, which wasn't even really necessary? because you didn't have her blood on your hands. I guess I mean, why did you vote Cray when you thought Shelter was wolfy? IMO it kind of sounds like you wanted to push a mislynch but didn't want the blood on your hands.
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I had shelter in my lean wolf reads D1.

Lawper said:
By the way, I think Pawsy and AM could be village based on their post content so far (although they are good in powerwolfing so can't be certain). Lean wolf reads on Cray and shelter.
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shelter flipping village affected my reads so I had to reassess. Still keeping my vote on Cray unchanged however. ​
 
capri1722 said:
I feel like this is more of an anomaly than a trend. In my experience wolves usually win by taking advantage of lazy villagers. (Or maybe I've just played with a lot of power wolves. :thinking:) Basically I think normally quiet players being quiet isn't anything to squint at, but when normally talkative players are quiet, or normally quiet players are talkative it's weird.
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I agree that it's likely more of an anomaly than a common occurrence, but it's something that's completely avoidable almost all of the time. Imo there's no excuse for a wolf to make it all the way to endgame and barely participating. It's especially frustrating in a game like this where 3 mislynches will likely be a loss. I also didn't like Cray's D1 silence because she was posting in other threads and not in this one. I'm concerned about her absence and her reasoning in the one actual post she made, but I also think she's an easy scapegoat and am concerned we're wasting a lynch as there's several other people that are concerning me.

capri1722 said:
Not game related: the fact that the parentheses are bolded on Cray and Stagg but nothing else bothers me immensely.
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Thank you for this, wanted to point that out so bad, but Kdubs has already threatened me in my role PM since I started posting certain memes in there and I'd like to minimize her wrath.


ETA: since there's been like 4 pages of actual game play I'm going to iso everyone tonight.
 
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@Crayola227 bump! :hello:

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kaydubs said:
Official Day 2 Gonna-go-fill-my-buck-draw-today Lynch Tally

Cray (5) - Stagg, Lawpy, Paws, Mutts, capri
AM () -
Mutts (1) - Mel
Lawpy (1) - AM

7/8
Lynch ends in <1.5 hours.

Role call and leader of lynch: @Crayola227
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seriously guys, this is really freaking lame

Good job

I'm not going to bother going through the whole thread at this point, it's pointless. There was a chance I would read it all, like y'all's posts for your post:like ratio, and incoming posts since now I can finally sit down and catch up. But I see you're screwing the pooch.

So, gonna die cuz lazy votes.

I'd have to look at the name of my role in my PM, I don't know the technicalities. I usually don't role & ability reveal, but here goes.

Ability: I can block one player per night. Last night I blocked Lawper successfully. That was all I was told about blocking.

Of course, now that I've revealed that, if by some miracle I wasn't lynched, the wolves would just NK me now. Good job that yall saw to it I would die no matter what.

Someone stared at me last night. That's it. I suspect seer of some sort, figure it out guys if it was wolf seer or village seer. I hate to say that, because now maybe I've given a clue to the wolves to narrow to find the seer, assuming it wasn't a wolf seer. Because they will look at those not on my lynch. So really awesome you guys started a train on me to hide the wolves and put a spotlight on the seer.

Really awesome that you use nothing but activity level to take me out of the game early.

I know that you seem to think the times in the past that I wasn't as active and ended up being a wolf, that the two are related. It's total bull**** and I've said it multiple times as a villager in the past. Activity level for Cray is NAI. The only thing that affects how much I post is real life. Even as a wolf, I can't shut up and I never would as a strat because it is so different from any style as anything that I ever have.

I'm going off without having read the thread that this is why you have a train on me, because I haven't played much so that's all I can figure it is without reading BS wolf reasons that were probably put on thread that y'all gobbled up.
 
I am Dyce Sack Wensing's text of Vet Anatomy.

Now you can all play the game of villager code and get yourselves killed over that. Congrats.
 
In fact, I'm actually lazier as a villager because as obsessive as I am about living, it just doesn't matter as much. I figured I might have time to catch up.

I would never have thought I would have time to catch up as a wolf, and I would have tried harder, I wouldn't have let the pack down like this, taken the risk that being quiet would fly.
 
Lawper said:
My votes in D1 are joke early on but I also like to spread votes to other players rather than consolidating on one player early on. I voted Stagg first, then mutty voted. Rather than having Stagg at 2 votes, I switched to someone else like Cray.



Now currently, the votes seem a bit focused on 3 players.
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someone else like cray who you thought you could get killed easily

but you didn't come for me first, that would be too suspicious, so instead you tried to make it an innocuous vote switch
 
Stagg737 said:
Not horribly useful, but I do have some questions/clarifications that I would like:



This has been your only post thus far. Any updated thoughts. Any reasons to leave your vote on Capri or anyone else sticking out to you?



Why?



:sendoff:



Any legit reasons? If not who would you most consider moving your vote to at this point?



I can think of some reasons, but I'd like to hear @Lawper 's response before I say what mine would be.


Right now I feel like there's a lot of people with minimal contributions and I'm not sure if they're busy or if they're trying to fly under the radar. @Crayola227 has not checked in. @sheltermed 's only legit post was about lynching Capri. @Dandelion18 's only post was "lynch Capri". @muttmanager 's only 2 posts were "lynch Stagg" and the one asking about whether AM is a lurky wolf and last game she asked a lot of questions early on.

I'm not sure if they're just busy or just haven't had time yet, but I can also see them trying to lay low as a noob wolf. It's still early, but I'd like to see A LOT more conversation this evening from more than the 2-3 actual players who have contributed so far.

For now, I'm going to heed the advice I gave the noobs at the end of last game about letting non-participants coast and

Unlynch Shelty
Lynch Crayola

until we hear from her.
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This whole section that tries to justify voting me makes no sense. Stagg mentions multiple players he accuses of trying to be wolves lying low, and on this list are noobs, and then myself who has a well confirmed history of NOT trying to wolf under the radar.

He calls them out, and then the "lesson" he teaches using me as the example of not letting players coast? I'm generally the least coasty player, and if you want to teach noobs not to coast, you vote for quiet noobs. They will care about that. No one gives a shyte but me if I die, you are not teaching an effective lesson, this is just crap crap crap reasoning to go after me.

I don't care, my death and flip as a villager is now assured, and yes, with this reasoning from Stagg, he absolutely should be looked at closely after my flip. This doesn't feel like v vs v now.
 
I have a long ranty post about Cray right now which I'll post after lynch because I think it'll just be more distraction than benefit. For the moment I'll

Unlynch Cray

since she actually showed up and is trying to catch up. I'm not liking her gameplay though and her role reveal basically screwed village if it's true.

Crayola227 said:
the fact he was going after me

I don't recall what that's called on mafia wiki, I know it's BS to assume that someone thinking you're a wolf when you're not makes them a wolf, but it's what I got for now
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I'm not going after you. I pressure voted you because you weren't here and you've retaliated 2 days in a row. Stop tunneling and provide some actual reads or I'll be happy to re-vote for you for shady game play. I also never assumed you were a wolf, but your only two previous comments were both retaliatory and added nothing to the actual game. So not exactly giving any confidence in you being village.

Crayola227 said:
This whole section that tries to justify voting me makes no sense. Stagg mentions multiple players he accuses of trying to be wolves lying low, and on this list are noobs, and then myself who has a well confirmed history of NOT trying to wolf under the radar.

He calls them out, and then the "lesson" he teaches using me as the example of not letting players coast? I'm generally the least coasty player, and if you want to teach noobs not to coast, you vote for quiet noobs. They will care about that. No one gives a shyte but me if I die, you are not teaching an effective lesson, this is just crap crap crap reasoning to go after me.

I don't care, my death and flip as a villager is now assured, and yes, with this reasoning from Stagg, he absolutely should be looked at closely after my flip. This doesn't feel like v vs v now.
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Are you serious? I voted Sheltermed yesterday for that exact reason. She was being a quiet noob. Don't pull that BS Cray.
 
Dandelion18 said:
I voted early on without much to go on, mostly to see the reaction. I chose capri using a few arbitrary parameters: I was looking for someone who would post early on with something neutral, not game related, and unlikely to raise eyebrows. Also preferred someone in the upper middle range of post numbers without antagonizing anyone. Preference given if they weren't in the last game I played as a method of getting a little information on them. Strong emphasis on using these parameters for an early lynch vote, not as a hard and fast wolf net.

I don't have any strong reasons for switching votes at present but I'm also not 100% locked down on my current vote.
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I sorta liked this reasoning.... but the bit about not wanting to antagonize anyone... that is *extremely* wolfy D1 vote reasoning. Noob villagers also do this, but still. The rest of the reasoning looks reasonably village.
 
Stagg737 said:
I have a long ranty post about Cray right now which I'll post after lynch because I think it'll just be more distraction than benefit. For the moment I'll

Unlynch Cray

since she actually showed up and is trying to catch up. I'm not liking her gameplay though and her role reveal basically screwed village if it's true.



I'm not going after you. I pressure voted you because you weren't here and you've retaliated 2 days in a row. Stop tunneling and provide some actual reads or I'll be happy to re-vote for you for shady game play. I also never assumed you were a wolf, but your only two previous comments were both retaliatory and added nothing to the actual game. So not exactly giving any confidence in you being village.



Are you serious? I voted Sheltermed yesterday for that exact reason. She was being a quiet noob. Don't pull that BS Cray.
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Fair enough, but I am doing a PbPa from where I am in reading the thread. When I hit post I then see current posts and then reply. So much to AM's annoyance, I'm replying out of order a bit.
 
Lawper said:
A combination of spreading votes and a random/joke vote. But now I think I'm going to stick with my Cray vote mainly because of her lack of activity, her admitted WIFOM and her Stagg vote that looks retaliatory.
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These are ridiculous reasons to think I'm a wolf. Sadly I made a fuss about you and Stagg on thread and I'm usually not good at directing my actions (except that one time as a neutral redirector in the mermaid game.... when I took out some number of wolves I don't remember) so blocking Lawper tells me little, if Lawper or Stagg are wolves they easily could have designated someone else for the kill.

None of what you just said I did is outside my village behavior. You're citing reasons that aren't good reasons.
 
Unofficial Day 2 Gonna-go-fill-my-buck-draw-today Lynch Tally

Cray (3) - Lawpy, Paws, capri
AM () -
Mutts (1) - Mel
Lawpy (2) - AM, Cray

6/8
Lynch ends in ~25 minutes
 
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