Madagascar WWildlife (A Basics Game!) - GAME THREAD

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WildZoo said:
I like vote analysis enough to mess around with it when I'm voting. So, it seemed to me it would be more interesting to put meats on the board (I ended on her yesterday, not genny) than to add on to the strog vote, which I figured would get a lot of people on it anyway based on thread consensus. And I wasn't sure if he'd even show up at the time. I don't have any strog interactions because I was not here when he finally showed up. My post about not having to read his was because if he was in the lead for most of the day before he finally started posting, his posts are pretty much useless for analysis.

As for the pippy vote, I wanted to see how she would react, and then also see if anyone would join in on the chance to vote out a PR. The fact that no one did until strog's late vote is, in my opinion, a point in the wolfy column for her. But an argument could be made that wolves detected the trap or didn't want to end up on a bad vote like that, and therefore avoided voting for her.

The April bit was literally me just repeating the reads that April had provided. Was I supposed to leave off one of her few reads just because it was about me?
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This is all great. But the fact Dubz avoids bussing packmates so hard and just goes with defending being off-wagon doesn't help me completely believe this.
 
supershorty said:
Handeha Any Maramokotro Izahay Day 4 Tally

Cyndia (2) - cubs, Pippy
mkg (3) - Vissy, AM, meats
cubs (2) - mkg, Cyndia
Pippy (1) - Dubz

@mkg323, you are in the lead!
8/10 voting
Missing: @BobLoblaw78, @Crayola227

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Looking at this, I like all the wagons today. Not sure where to vote.
 
Crayola227 said:
This is all great. But the fact Dubz avoids bussing packmates so hard and just goes with defending being off-wagon doesn't help me completely believe this.
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:shrug: yeet pippy with me and you'll see
 
WildZoo said:
This is mostly for others' benefit, I don't expect pippy to admit she's a wolf 😛 please read, because I think it's important.


I think you did exactly what you accused me of doing with my zenge vote d1



Your d1 vote was 4th on strog, so in the bussing zone, and you'd just reminded everyone he hadn't played in a long time...might have been hoping for others to back off for that reason. And then when questioned about the change of heart, turned around and said I was defending him, when in reality I was questioning you. Interesting.

And...it kinda worked, didn't it? People don't love voting for absent players d1, especially if they haven't played in a while. So you were well-positioned if he did end up going down, but turns out you were the last vote he got that day, and one vote moved off.

Yeah you gave lip service to pushing him d2, but that's not where you ended up. Nor were you there d3.

So...I don't think you get any cred for all that.
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Also I've shaded Pip and been worried all game about the inevitable war that seems to erupt between us when we're v/v. So another reason I'm concerned about her.

Dubz has also been less reactive towards me and don't know how to read that.
 
Animal Midwife said:
What did I tell you about voting earlier @BobLoblaw78?
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Catching up. You have seen my reactions so you should know I have had a busy day and just recently plowing through the day even though work isn't finished. Don't make possibly voting with you more distasteful than it is! (I could so sense a post was coming from you as I was catching up. You too have become predictable)
 
Crayola227 said:
Also I've shaded Pip and been worried all game about the inevitable war that seems to erupt between us when we're v/v. So another reason I'm concerned about her.

Dubz has also been less reactive towards me and don't know how to read that.
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I haven't read some of your posts yet, am I going to find things I should be reacting to? 😛

I had a village read on mayo so that probably helps
 
WildZoo said:
Why is no one even discussing my pippy points, sigh
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I agree with your analysis of the pippy/strog voting pattern, although it took me a second to put it together. I can also see pippy as the type of wolf who, instead of coaching more about how to play the role for someone who hasnt done it or hasnt played in forever, just using the "obtuse" wolfiness to say "screw it, lets just see what happens and ill react accordingly!"

Then theres the enigma of the PR claim. Im getting a glimpse of the pippy!paranoia but im not ready to move to her. Maybe I tunneled in from the outside, but Ive still got cyndia/pippy as w/v, although if cyndia ends up village pippy would become my next vote. Is there any reason at this point they both cant be wolves?

Is MK your top packmate if pippy is wolf? And vice versa? Have you opined on VMH lately, and if so where can i find it?
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
This. I find it hard to believe that anyone can pick a wolf 3 days in a row with the limited info on strogs. Plus, if strogs meta was erratic, chaos- he nailed it. I couldn't find rhyme or reason to his votes or his lack of activity. I would've voted him or anyone that was essentially inactive, but that was not the reason that anyone gave. And I'm still surprised he flipped. This makes a lot of sense......but I have a hard time believing something this convoluted ever made sense in a wolfpack strategy session. It sounds like tinfoiling to the extreme. I think AM is less wolfy than others at this point esp and can be moved to the backburner.

Plus, I feel like you might be pocketing me....
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I swear 1000 times AM's D1 vote wil be a player who hasn't played recently (or is newer) because when the meta is least known it makes sense to want to push there early and generate data early. She did it to me coming out of hiatus.

Nothing AM did there was outside her village meta. Yes, I made arguments with concern for maybe seeing elements of her wolfing style, but none of it had much to do with her early voting behavior. I always watch for elements of her wolfing style anyway.

I'm willing to talk about anything we see in AM that looks wolfy, but this isn't it and people are way off in the weeds.

Between mkgs nonsensical attack there and the strog defense, and their reactivity to me, looking to vote there today probably. Hard to say because I like other wagons too.
 
mkg323 said:
look I'm like half a bottle of wine deep on a sunday I'm doin my best here


UNYEET GENNY
YEET ZENGE

bc I swear to GOD IF I'VE BEEN POCKETED AGAIN BY YOU I'M EGGING YOU HOUSE IN MINECRAFT
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Hmm

meats/mkg looks more compatible than I thought. Not sold on it but this is a good point for ot imo
 
I like the mkg flip and voting with AM at this point

##### yeet Mkg ####

Hopefully this will give us info that also helps us resolve who possible packmates are.

Pippy is a lower priority given the PR claim and in comparison to mkg. If Pip is compatible with mkg and mkg flips wolf happy to go there tomorrow but I thought AM just said she isn't? So if mkg is village may look at Pip next.

Also concerned about samac Cyndia, cubs genny, visc, meats, in no particular order. Dubz is very low on list but not totally in the COT (circle of trust).

Anyone have bob worries?
 
Handeha Any Maramokotro Izahay Day 4 Tally

Cyndia (2) - cubs, Pippy
mkg (4) - Vissy, AM, meats, Cray
cubs (1) - Cyndia
Pippy (1) - Dubz
meats (1) - mkg

@mkg323, you are in the lead!
9/10 voting
Missing: @BobLoblaw78

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Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~1 hours).
 
Crayola227 said:
I like the mkg flip and voting with AM at this point

##### yeet Mkg ####

Hopefully this will give us info that also helps us resolve who possible packmates are.

Pippy is a lower priority given the PR claim and in comparison to mkg. If Pip is compatible with mkg and mkg flips wolf happy to go there tomorrow but I thought AM just said she isn't? So if mkg is village may look at Pip next.

Also concerned about samac Cyndia, cubs genny, visc, meats, in no particular order. Dubz is very low on list but not totally in the COT (circle of trust).

Anyone have bob worries?
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I'm rather uncomfortable with Bob. I haven't figured out what exactly to do with him yet, but hope the upcoming flips will provide clarity there.
 
@Animal Midwife I'm just saying remember the time when zenge became a tree stump and you mentioned that you wished you'd been able to yeet him the day before so he wouldn't get to keep talking in wolf chat? That's how I feel rn.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I'm rather uncomfortable with Bob. I haven't figured out what exactly to do with him yet, but hope the upcoming flips will provide clarity there.
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Agreed.

Also to be clear I am village reading Dubz, but out of paranoia and points made on her you will see me continue to question that.

Sometimes my PbPa isn't the best way to infer my overall reads on players, because even when I have a lean on someone you will see me essentially still asking myself in response to a specific post if they could still be a wolf or not.

Anyway hope my leans are fairly clear right now.
 
I'm questioning dubz but willing to vote with her. I'm happy to vote in bloc with AM and Dubz. If I were to vote on Pippy with Dubz and Pippy flipped village, I would take a harder look at Dubz in that case. Also look harder at dubz if she stays off mkg and mkg flips wolf.
 
Crayola227 said:
I swear 1000 times AM's D1 vote wil be a player who hasn't played recently (or is newer) because when the meta is least known it makes sense to want to push there early and generate data early. She did it to me coming out of hiatus.

Nothing AM did there was outside her village meta. Yes, I made arguments with concern for maybe seeing elements of her wolfing style, but none of it had much to do with her early voting behavior. I always watch for elements of her wolfing style anyway.

I'm willing to talk about anything we see in AM that looks wolfy, but this isn't it and people are way off in the weeds.

Between mkgs nonsensical attack there and the strog defense, and their reactivity to me, looking to vote there today probably. Hard to say because I like other wagons too.
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nonsensical attack where? on AM? at least I'm voting for my strongest reads not the bottom of my POE. She doesn't like that I tied up the vote D1 and didnt go for Strog. News flash, it was more than just me that thought the Strog yeet D1 didn't make sense, hence why Alley got yeeted instead. It was weird that of all the inactive players D1, MYSELF INCLUDED that everyone hopped on Strog, it was such a clear runaway wagon which was weird, and the fact that everyone wanted to yeet someone who hasnt played in years was weird.
Viscernable said:
Hmm

meats/mkg looks more compatible than I thought. Not sold on it but this is a good point for ot imo
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Vis I have had you in my village leans category like this whole time, and I'm trying to not let your vote for me change that. I am not compatible with meats, because shocker, wow, I am not a wolf.
 
mkg323 said:
nonsensical attack where? on AM? at least I'm voting for my strongest reads not the bottom of my POE. She doesn't like that I tied up the vote D1 and didnt go for Strog. News flash, it was more than just me that thought the Strog yeet D1 didn't make sense, hence why Alley got yeeted instead. It was weird that of all the inactive players D1, MYSELF INCLUDED that everyone hopped on Strog, it was such a clear runaway wagon which was weird, and the fact that everyone wanted to yeet someone who hasnt played in years was weird.

Vis I have had you in my village leans category like this whole time, and I'm trying to not let your vote for me change that. I am not compatible with meats, because shocker, wow, I am not a wolf.
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I was referring to mkg's attack on AM and the wolf bus plot theory, not really you specifically. I was trying to warn you off mkg's thinking as being flawed, because I distrust her and her points on AM are flawed, and was giving you benefit of the doubt in how you were approaching the AM thing.

But interesting response lol.
 
mkg323 said:
So here's what I dont get. Strog backtracks on his statements about AM, then hops onto Pippy, who has no votes. Why would a wolf do this? it effectively ended the only viable counterwagon. Like, if theres an option to continue why not take it? The only way that this makes sense is that the pack decided to bus Strog, and he placed a vote on packmate AM for WIFOM/make her look good as she was driving the bus, just like what LIS did in England with bussing Sunny. AM was on his vote every day, but never really gave an explanation at the time as to why, it was like he just got picked randomly. So when the wagon on AM actually started to pick up, he hopped off in order to protect her. Not sure if this would be within her meta, but I wouldnt be surprised if it was.
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Why are you not considering the possibility that he bussed Pippy once the pack decided AM was not a viable counterwagon? It makes a lot more sense to me than that he was bussing and then once it became clear either he or packmate am would be yeeted he for some reason decided to switch off so AM wouldn’t even really get as much cred for him bussing her. That’s putting aside how unlikely it is AM decided her opening wolf play would be to tunnel her packmate for 3 days. Seriously looking at pippy/mkg.
 
I'm still jumping around and reading, but at the moment I feel good about AM/dubz, which is odd and not usually something I feel. Also feeling reasonably okay with cray, though her earlier mayo things I was less okay with.

I would rather crack pippy than mkg today, but both are on my wolf leans. Cubs I'm leaning mildly wolfy on, especially with the relative lack of genny presence and her vca, but willing to give it a pass for right now since I'm more interested in pippy atm. Bob I am very unsure on at the moment and need to iso. I'm still very undecided on vissy, I agree with a lot of things said, but am concerned I'm missing something and want to iso vissy before I make a call on that. Meats is floating in my neutrals - I actually saw some earlier posts in the game that gave me some village feels in light of the flips.
 
Crayola227 said:
I was referring to mkg's attack on AM and the wolf bus plot theory, not really you specifically. I was trying to warn you off mkg's thinking as being flawed, because I distrust her and her points on AM are flawed, and was giving you benefit of the doubt in how you were approaching the AM thing.

But interesting response lol.
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Wait who do you think you’re replying to
 
Handeha Any Maramokotro Izahay Day 4 Tally

Cyndia (2) - cubs, Pippy
mkg (4) - Vissy, AM, meats, Cray
cubs () -
Pippy (2) - Dubz, Cyndia
meats (2) - mkg, Bob

@mkg323, you are in the lead!
10/10 voting
Missing: no one

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Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~30 minutes).
 
Crayola227 said:
I was referring to mkg's attack on AM and the wolf bus plot theory, not really you specifically. I was trying to warn you off mkg's thinking as being flawed, because I distrust her and her points on AM are flawed, and was giving you benefit of the doubt in how you were approaching the AM thing.

But interesting response lol.
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wut? you know that I wrote the post you're responding to, right?
 
Viscernable said:
Why are you not considering the possibility that he bussed Pippy once the pack decided AM was not a viable counterwagon? It makes a lot more sense to me than that he was bussing and then once it became clear either he or packmate am would be yeeted he for some reason decided to switch off so AM wouldn’t even really get as much cred for him bussing her. That’s putting aside how unlikely it is AM decided her opening wolf play would be to tunnel her packmate for 3 days. Seriously looking at pippy/mkg.
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because thats not the order of events, it doesnt make sense. Strog moved from AM to Pippy when he had 4 votes, and AM had 3, so it was STILL a viable counter wagon, he literally swapped 5 minutes after Cray voted for AM. they needed 1 waffle vote, or someone to move off of a single vote wagon to change the result, and this was like 45 minutes to yeet close, so there was plenty of time. And after the major waffles D2 why is that not a reasonable thing to think would happen? why bail onto Pippy when things could easily have swung in Strog & the wolves favor? Even if the AM bussing Strog tinfoil is completely off the table, I dont get how the Pippy vote really shows anything.
 
mkg323 said:
because thats not the order of events, it doesnt make sense. Strog moved from AM to Pippy when he had 4 votes, and AM had 3, so it was STILL a viable counter wagon, he literally swapped 5 minutes after Cray voted for AM. they needed 1 waffle vote, or someone to move off of a single vote wagon to change the result, and this was like 45 minutes to yeet close, so there was plenty of time. And after the major waffles D2 why is that not a reasonable thing to think would happen? why bail onto Pippy when things could easily have swung in Strog & the wolves favor? Even if the AM bussing Strog tinfoil is completely off the table, I dont get how the Pippy vote really shows anything.
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Was it likely the people on the single votes were going to move to AM? I certainly wasn't.
 
Viscernable said:
Why incompatible?
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As AM pointed out, mkg put pippy in enough danger that she ended up claiming, when strog was already on the board. I have to go back and look at that context myself but haven't had a chance yet.
 
WildZoo said:
Was it likely the people on the single votes were going to move to AM? I certainly wasn't.
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well excluding you it was me, diff, and pippy on single votes. thats if no one waffles directly from Strog to AM. Vissy did something similar D1 onto Lawpy, and whichever wolves were bussing Strog could have easily swapped.
 
mkg323 said:
well excluding you it was me, diff, and pippy on single votes. thats if no one waffles directly from Strog to AM. Vissy did something similar D1 onto Lawpy, and whichever wolves were bussing Strog could have easily swapped.
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And looked terrible when AM went down village and strog flipped wolf the next day? Doubt it. That's the trouble with bussing. Once it gets moving, it's hard to gracefully exit.

Who all was on AM at that point?
 
cubsrule4e said:
I agree with your analysis of the pippy/strog voting pattern, although it took me a second to put it together. I can also see pippy as the type of wolf who, instead of coaching more about how to play the role for someone who hasnt done it or hasnt played in forever, just using the "obtuse" wolfiness to say "screw it, lets just see what happens and ill react accordingly!"

Then theres the enigma of the PR claim. Im getting a glimpse of the pippy!paranoia but im not ready to move to her. Maybe I tunneled in from the outside, but Ive still got cyndia/pippy as w/v, although if cyndia ends up village pippy would become my next vote. Is there any reason at this point they both cant be wolves?

Is MK your top packmate if pippy is wolf? And vice versa? Have you opined on VMH lately, and if so where can i find it?
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Why is cyndia higher in your wolf reads and why w/v for cyndia/pips?
 
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