Rowan University (RowanSOM) Discussion Thread 2014 - 2015

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With enormous hesitation I am likely withdrawing my acceptance here. Hope the seat makes someone ecstatic 🙂

Did you withdraw yesterday? Was told today by adcom and admissions that the class is full and they're basically interviewing for wait list spots
so looks like 1 open spot? and if i remember right ii showed they were interviewing through late april

i think it's fairly obvious that Rowan accepts a lot of MD gunners who apply ostoepathic as a back up, whom then give up their acceptances once they get a spot in an allopathic school. that 200 dollar deposit imo is a lure for MD gunners to apply to rowan as a back up, where as most other osteopathic school deposits are well over a grand.

the school really pitches the wholistic review of your application but looking through previous years threads, they're no different than any other school that values a high mcat or high gpa over everything else.
the fact is they want to look good on paper and the only way to do that is to have your class average gpa and mcat high up. can't blame them but i've lost faith in the wholistic review pitch
 
the school really pitches the wholistic review of your application but looking through previous years threads, they're no different than any other school that values a high mcat or high gpa over everything else.
the fact is they want to look good on paper and the only way to do that is to have your class average gpa and mcat high up. can't blame them but i've lost faith in the wholistic review pitch

pretty much spot on, in addition to the enormous URM bias at this school.

but hey, different schools have different missions, you just gotta find what works best for you. it just sucks that this is a state-school that does it, oh well :whistle:
 
On hold but im not mad they have to do what they have to do I'll wait...
 
Did you withdraw yesterday? Was told today by adcom and admissions that the class is full and they're basically interviewing for wait list spots
so looks like 1 open spot? and if i remember right ii showed they were interviewing through late april

i think it's fairly obvious that Rowan accepts a lot of MD gunners who apply ostoepathic as a back up, whom then give up their acceptances once they get a spot in an allopathic school. that 200 dollar deposit imo is a lure for MD gunners to apply to rowan as a back up, where as most other osteopathic school deposits are well over a grand.

the school really pitches the wholistic review of your application but looking through previous years threads, they're no different than any other school that values a high mcat or high gpa over everything else.
the fact is they want to look good on paper and the only way to do that is to have your class average gpa and mcat high up. can't blame them but i've lost faith in the wholistic review pitch

Well, what if I told you one of my friends with 3.9 GPA and 39 MCAT got rejected by every single one of 20 med schools he applied to bc he lacked EC?

Anyways, do you guys think that I can assume that I am waitlisted if I havent heard anything for the past few weeks after interview?
 
"My friend with 38 MCAT + 4.o GPA Got into top 20 school without any clinical experiences lol. Post by: brood910, Sep 19, 2014"

I'd say you have a lot of friends with really high stats, similar situations, and varying outcomes...

I honestly doubt any osteopathic school -especially a stat heavy school like rowan - would reject someone with a 3.9 and 39 MCAT just because they lacked EC.
 
"My friend with 38 MCAT + 4.o GPA Got into top 20 school without any clinical experiences lol. Post by: brood910, Sep 19, 2014"

I'd say you have a lot of friends with really high stats, similar situations, and varying outcomes...

I honestly doubt any osteopathic school -especially a stat heavy school like rowan - would reject someone with a 3.9 and 39 MCAT just because they lacked EC.

Yes I do actually. Read more posts that I made in the past, and you will see that I am not a kind of person who likes to lie. But who knows. You never know if this friend lied to me about his stats. But I doubt that he'd do that to me since I have known him since childhood.
 
the school really pitches the wholistic review of your application but looking through previous years threads, they're no different than any other school that values a high mcat or high gpa over everything else.
the fact is they want to look good on paper and the only way to do that is to have your class average gpa and mcat high up. can't blame them but i've lost faith in the wholistic review pitch

Just as an FYI, the entire person is looked at as a whole whether you believe it or not. My class is filled with people who have the most interesting background. Researchers, nurses, veterans, firefighters, EMTs, and etc. You may think this is just a pitch but it really isn't. If you don't believe me I suggest you call admissions and ask to shadow either a 1st or 2nd year. You will find that everyone has a unique background and not only had good stats but great ECs. In addition, if you do poorly on your interview there is a very slim chance you will get in.

Our school does not just contain mostly MD gunners, otherwise our entire class would not be the way it is. MD gunners do not share notes, they do not get to know everyone, they do not help their fellow students out or spend extra time explaining a concept to another student. I am not saying we have a lack of gunners, there are a handful in each class but they aren't true "Gunners". They are just incredibly smart and flaunt it, they would never do something to bring another fellow classmate down.

Brood910, I would call Admissions to ask about your status. However, I would not loose hope as the waitlist does get a lot of movement. I should know, I was waitlisted once too. Don't loose hope and I wish you the best of luck.
 
Just as an FYI, the entire person is looked at as a whole whether you believe it or not. My class is filled with people who have the most interesting background. Researchers, nurses, veterans, firefighters, EMTs, and etc. You may think this is just a pitch but it really isn't. If you don't believe me I suggest you call admissions and ask to shadow either a 1st or 2nd year. You will find that everyone has a unique background and not only had good stats but great ECs. In addition, if you do poorly on your interview there is a very slim chance you will get in.

Our school does not just contain mostly MD gunners, otherwise our entire class would not be the way it is. MD gunners do not share notes, they do not get to know everyone, they do not help their fellow students out or spend extra time explaining a concept to another student. I am not saying we have a lack of gunners, there are a handful in each class but they aren't true "Gunners". They are just incredibly smart and flaunt it, they would never do something to bring another fellow classmate down.

Brood910, I would call Admissions to ask about your status. However, I would not loose hope as the waitlist does get a lot of movement. I should know, I was waitlisted once too. Don't loose hope and I wish you the best of luck.

so your argument is based on the generalization that applicants whom are competitive for allopathic schools don't help their peers out as much as their less competitive osteopathic counterparts? On top of that you're stating that these allopathic applicants applying to more selective programs come from less diverse backgrounds and some how lack EC? Shadowing a first year or second year student at your school wouldn't disprove the numerous strong indicators that Rowan admits a lot of
applicants who could care less about becoming an osteopathic physician as long as their stats are high.
Let's look at the evidence:
1. No D.O LOR requirement
2. Numerous posters on this years and previous years threads gave up their acceptance to attend allopathic schools.
3. Rowan has one of the greatest movements of their waitlist out of all other osteopathic schools because of the above applicants dropping their acceptance to Rowan once they find out they're accepted to their first choice allopathic schools (admitted by their admissions).
4. other schools don't see as significant of a movement of their waitlist because they have have respectable
deposits, where as rowan's deposit to hold an acceptance is only 200, therefore being the ideal MD applicant
back up school.

I'm sorry but the above makes me LOSE hope in their wholistic review pitch. This school is no different
than any other school whose ultimate goal is to look good on paper (for all the above listed reasons I think Rowan is an osteopathic school that is more stat oriented than other osteopathic schools).
 
so your argument is based on the generalization that applicants whom are competitive for allopathic schools don't help their peers out as much as their less competitive osteopathic counterparts? On top of that you're stating that these allopathic applicants applying to more selective programs come from less diverse backgrounds and some how lack EC? Shadowing a first year or second year student at your school wouldn't disprove the numerous strong indicators that Rowan admits a lot of
applicants who could care less about becoming an osteopathic physician as long as their stats are high.
Let's look at the evidence:
1. No D.O LOR requirement
2. Numerous posters on this years and previous years threads gave up their acceptance to attend allopathic schools.
3. Rowan has one of the greatest movements of their waitlist out of all other osteopathic schools because of the above applicants dropping their acceptance to Rowan once they find out they're accepted to their first choice allopathic schools (admitted by their admissions).
4. other schools don't see as significant of a movement of their waitlist because they have have respectable
deposits, where as rowan's deposit to hold an acceptance is only 200, therefore being the ideal MD applicant
back up school.

I'm sorry but the above makes me LOSE hope in their wholistic review pitch. This school is no different
than any other school whose ultimate goal is to look good on paper (for all the above listed reasons I think Rowan is an osteopathic school that is more stat oriented than other osteopathic schools).
You sound bitter. Either apply or don't. They're still gonna get applicants regardless of you feeling as if they don't take a holistic approach to admissions. They still have one of the most diverse student bodies relative to other osteopathic schools. They aren't taking ONE kind of applicant. Use your time more wisely then crowding up an online forum with your rants.
 
so your argument is based on the generalization that applicants whom are competitive for allopathic schools don't help their peers out as much as their less competitive osteopathic counterparts? On top of that you're stating that these allopathic applicants applying to more selective programs come from less diverse backgrounds and some how lack EC? Shadowing a first year or second year student at your school wouldn't disprove the numerous strong indicators that Rowan admits a lot of
applicants who could care less about becoming an osteopathic physician as long as their stats are high.
Let's look at the evidence:
1. No D.O LOR requirement
2. Numerous posters on this years and previous years threads gave up their acceptance to attend allopathic schools.
3. Rowan has one of the greatest movements of their waitlist out of all other osteopathic schools because of the above applicants dropping their acceptance to Rowan once they find out they're accepted to their first choice allopathic schools (admitted by their admissions).
4. other schools don't see as significant of a movement of their waitlist because they have have respectable
deposits, where as rowan's deposit to hold an acceptance is only 200, therefore being the ideal MD applicant
back up school.

I'm sorry but the above makes me LOSE hope in their wholistic review pitch. This school is no different
than any other school whose ultimate goal is to look good on paper (for all the above listed reasons I think Rowan is an osteopathic school that is more stat oriented than other osteopathic schools).
Now I could see why you weren't accepted.
 
You sound bitter. Either apply or don't. They're still gonna get applicants regardless of you feeling as if they don't take a holistic approach to admissions. They still have one of the most diverse student bodies relative to other osteopathic schools. They aren't taking ONE kind of applicant. Use your time more wisely then crowding up an online forum with your rants.

Now I could see why you weren't accepted.

Nice love it or leave it mentality, but nah I'd rather voice my opinions THAN look the other way. I never made any comments about not applying nor not being accepted. You guys are cute though defending your school with pitchforks instead of counterarguments
 
Nice love it or leave it mentality, but nah I'd rather voice my opinions THAN look the other way. I never made any comments about not applying nor not being accepted. You guys are cute though defending your school with pitchforks instead of counterarguments
I actually don't go here although I was accepted. All I can say is that if you truly had an issue, you would address it with the people who could actually do something rather than ranting on an online forum like a bitter person who has nothing better to do on a Friday night. Wanna cry about admissions? Then CONTACT ADMISSIONS or someone who will actually listen/handle your qualms. I'm not about to debate with you about this topic because we will ALWAYS disagree. Instead, I'm going to say HAPPY EASTER, and good luck at whichever school decides to take you!
 
I actually don't go here although I was accepted. All I can say is that if you truly had an issue, you would address it with the people who could actually do something rather than ranting on an online forum like a bitter person who has nothing better to do on a Friday night. Wanna cry about admissions? Then CONTACT ADMISSIONS or someone who will actually listen/handle your qualms. I'm not about to debate with you about this topic because we will ALWAYS disagree. Instead, I'm going to say HAPPY EASTER, and good luck at whichever school decides to take you!

Chief because you're accepted you have the same bias as a student who currently attends the school. You have 886 posts in less than a years time of being on this forum, and you're lecturing me for wasting time on an online forum? Contacting admissions to complain about an obvious major flaw with their admissions approach during an application cycle where I'm still waiting for a spot to open wouldn't be the most prudent move. Hasn't been much of a debate since you're just making nonsensical attacks so happy egg hunting
 
so your argument is based on the generalization that applicants whom are competitive for allopathic schools don't help their peers out as much as their less competitive osteopathic counterparts? On top of that you're stating that these allopathic applicants applying to more selective programs come from less diverse backgrounds and some how lack EC? Shadowing a first year or second year student at your school wouldn't disprove the numerous strong indicators that Rowan admits a lot of
applicants who could care less about becoming an osteopathic physician as long as their stats are high.
Let's look at the evidence:
1. No D.O LOR requirement
2. Numerous posters on this years and previous years threads gave up their acceptance to attend allopathic schools.
3. Rowan has one of the greatest movements of their waitlist out of all other osteopathic schools because of the above applicants dropping their acceptance to Rowan once they find out they're accepted to their first choice allopathic schools (admitted by their admissions).
4. other schools don't see as significant of a movement of their waitlist because they have have respectable
deposits, where as rowan's deposit to hold an acceptance is only 200, therefore being the ideal MD applicant
back up school.

I'm sorry but the above makes me LOSE hope in their wholistic review pitch. This school is no different
than any other school whose ultimate goal is to look good on paper (for all the above listed reasons I think Rowan is an osteopathic school that is more stat oriented than other osteopathic schools).

Actually what I was saying is that our students are not robot, book worm, studying machines only. My intention was not to down talk allopathic students. I am sure there are tons of great MD students out there who help out their fellow classmates. I was merely pointing out that all of us have some background included in with our stats. I have no idea how allopaths pick their students because I am not apart of an allopathic school and cannot assume what their EC requirements are. I would assume that they also need good ECs but have been traditionally more stat heavier than osteopathic schools. I would imagine that Osteopathic schools are more forgiving in their stats since we (AACOMAS) offers grade forgiveness while AAMC does not. Shadowing would absoluetly disprove your theory since by talking to a student, you can judge how proud they are to be a DO student. That was the point, to see if they are lying and to show you not only did we have good stats, but we also had good ECs. Hence the entire holistic review process.

Your evidence is flawed as you assume ALL accepted students pull out to go to MD schools since its the whole MD vs DO thing. This may not be the case with a large portion of them. I know people who pulled out because their in-state school accepted them and they can get cheaper tuition or be closer to their families. How do I know this? I have met other students from other DO programs from conferences.

Regardless, all of this does not matter in my eyes because I am a jaded resource. I will defend RowanSOM because they are my family and that's just how it is here. I was once a premed with a 3.4 GPA and a 25 MCAT. My stats were ok but I do believe my ECs made a HUGE difference. I was a Firefighter/EMT, a lab researcher on Anthrax, I worked in an ER as a PCT for 4 years at a level 1 trauma center, was one of the leaders in my Honors Frat, and won many awards. I am sure this made a huge difference and I will always be grateful for Admissions in taking a chance on me. If that is not proof enough then I am unsure what is.

In any case, I hope you other applicants do not loose hope in coming to this school. Keep the dream alive and good luck.
 
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Just to pitch my thoughts on the school to people who are concerned about some of the above comments. I have great stats (above their averages) and was waitlisted last year and this year. I know its anecdotal but that alone shows that they are not 100% all about stats and have many other factors they include in their decision. This should definitely encourage applicants who have less than ideal stats and are concerned about applying to Rowan. You definitely got a chance, go for it!

I shadowed a couple of students here and it was a wonderful experience. Its definitely a really welcoming school and everyone is treated like family. I definitely wish I got in, but hey, you win some you lose some. I interviewed terribly. With the information they got from my interview, I probably seemed like a poor fit. I would obviously argue against that haha, oh well. Who knows the waitlist might be a little more merciful this year but I am planning against it just in case.
 
Just to pitch my thoughts on the school to people who are concerned about some of the above comments. I have great stats (above their averages) and was waitlisted last year and this year. I know its anecdotal but that alone shows that they are not 100% all about stats and have many other factors they include in their decision. This should definitely encourage applicants who have less than ideal stats and are concerned about applying to Rowan. You definitely got a chance, go for it!

I shadowed a couple of students here and it was a wonderful experience. Its definitely a really welcoming school and everyone is treated like family. I definitely wish I got in, but hey, you win some you lose some. I interviewed terribly. With the information they got from my interview, I probably seemed like a poor fit. I would obviously argue against that haha, oh well. Who knows the waitlist might be a little more merciful this year but I am planning against it just in case.


when u say waitlisted you dont mean "hold"? how did u find out about ur waitlist status?
 
Hey, this is a friendly post and not meant to ruffle any feather, rather clarify a point I feel needed to be made. A holistic approach to accepting candidates is not mutually exclusive with seeking candidates with high stats. In fact holistic is defined as:

holistic |hōˈlistik|

adjective, chiefly, Philosophy

1. characterized by comprehension of the parts of something as intimately interconnected and explicable only by reference to the whole.

2. Medicine characterized by the treatment of the whole person, taking into account mental and social factors, rather than just the physical symptoms of a disease.

If you are going by the first definition, then you could say a candidate with high stats, strong EC's, a good personality, good interview, etc. is the epitome of a holistic candidate. All parts of the whole.

If you go by the second definition, then they are seeking candidates who will treat patients with a holistic mentality. That again is not mutually exclusive with stats.

Hope everyone has a great weekend/holiday.
 
Hold = accepted but no seats available at the moment. You can just look at it as "high priority waitlist".
thanks ! I was just trying to figure out if some people were actually being told "hey ur waitlisted." vs " hey your on hold." But u are saying u are on hold...thanks. we should see movement soon...
 
I applied back in October, no word... boosted my MCAT 5 points in January... any chances there are still interview invites going out? Suggestions on sending a letter of continued interest?
It might be a bit too late. The class is most likely full, and there are probably a lot of people on the waitlist already. If you haven't received an interview invite at this point, you should be prepared to start applying for the coming cycle.
 
when u say waitlisted you dont mean "hold"? how did u find out about ur waitlist status?

Anyone else have experience with the hold list? Is it really different from the wait list? So basically because a hold list exists the class is 100% full at this time?
 
Anyone else have experience with the hold list? Is it really different from the wait list? So basically because a hold list exists the class is 100% full at this time?
Are you also on the hold list? Apparently this is only the second year it's been used in this way and last year there are some examples of people being accepted off of it.
 
I interviewed in March, and I havent heard back from them, so I called to find out what's going on, and they told me that I am waitlisted. They will start ranking waitlist when they are done with interviews in a few weeks. For those who are waitlisted like me, expect a call from the admission in the 2nd week of May. They will call you to tell you where you are standing.
 
Has anyone heard anything about the laptop survey we filled out?
No update from admissions regarding the type of laptop we will be receiving. I doubt we are getting Mac though, and I certainly wouldn't want to pay extra 1k just for a Macbook.
 
Unsure how I feel about paying more for it, but I would appreciate having a choice.
 
I'm currently on hold at RowanSOM. I was told that this is because there are no seats available and that otherwise I would've been accepted. However I have noticed that others have been accepted in the mean time which makes little sense. The class is obviously not full. Its extremely discouraging. Has anyone else been told the same thing about this hold list ?
 
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I'm currently on hold at RowanSOM. I was told that this is because there are no seats available and that otherwise I would've been accepted. However I have noticed that others have been accepted in the mean time which means that I was basically LIED to. The class is obviously not full. Its extremely discouraging. Has anyone else been told the same thing about this "hold" list ?
Remember that there is a constant flux of people accepting seats and giving them up for other schools at this point in time. At the time they called you, there may have been 3 spots open and you were the 4th person they wanted to accept. In that case on that day, the 3 people ahead of you would be accepted and you would be put on hold with a small group of others to be given the next seats available. So, no the school is not lying to you. You are at the top of the list to be accepted next. So be proud of yourself and happy to be in that position! Just stay patient, you are very likely to be given a seat soon. Also, just keep reaching out to the admissions office to ensure they know you really want to go to RowanSOM.
 
Called admissions today, they mentioned that they are still reviewing files for interview decisions and are holding interviews through April.
 
I'm currently on hold at RowanSOM. I was told that this is because there are no seats available and that otherwise I would've been accepted. However I have noticed that others have been accepted in the mean time which means that I was basically LIED to. The class is obviously not full. Its extremely discouraging. Has anyone else been told the same thing about this "hold" list ?

It's also possible that the person was put on hold without their knowledge and was accepted when a spot opened. I am on the hold list as well and I didn't know until I called. If I was accepted without calling in (crosses fingers) it would seem that I completely bypassed the hold list while I might not have.
 
Do you mind sharing when you interviewed?
Were you on hold at first?


I interviewed on March 20th, and had no contact with admissions until yesterday morning when I recieved an email asking to call admissions when I was able to. At first I had thought that being on hold was likely, because I was wondering why I would have to call them...but again to my surprise when I called Paula Watkins she congratulated telling me I had been accepted.
 
I interviewed on March 20th, and had no contact with admissions until yesterday morning when I recieved an email asking to call admissions when I was able to. At first I had thought that being on hold was likely, because I was wondering why I would have to call them...but again to my surprise when I called Paula Watkins she congratulated telling me I had been accepted.
That is so excellent. Again Congratulations ! I'm so excited for you.
 
It's also possible that the person was put on hold without their knowledge and was accepted when a spot opened. I am on the hold list as well and I didn't know until I called. If I was accepted without calling in (crosses fingers) it would seem that I completely bypassed the hold list while I might not have.

Thats so weird that you weren't called to be told about the hold list. I think myself and a few others were definitely called about it. I spoke with someone today and they told me that this list can move at any time and it does not need to be approved by the committee. It is already ranked. The woman also said the list was pretty small so hopefully our chances are high ! It's still confusing that others have been given direct acceptances but I guess it is what it is. I hope all of you are accepted to your dream school !
 
Remember that there is a constant flux of people accepting seats and giving them up for other schools at this point in time. At the time they called you, there may have been 3 spots open and you were the 4th person they wanted to accept. In that case on that day, the 3 people ahead of you would be accepted and you would be put on hold with a small group of others to be given the next seats available. So, no the school is not lying to you. You are at the top of the list to be accepted next. So be proud of yourself and happy to be in that position! Just stay patient, you are very likely to be given a seat soon. Also, just keep reaching out to the admissions office to ensure they know you really want to go to RowanSOM.

thank you for the encouragement. Perhaps you are right that I was the 4th person and there was no spot left. I am definitely thrilled to be on the hold list rather than the waitlist. RowanSOM is my top choice. I guess I just wanted to be sure I really understood what this hold list meant. I've never heard of a school having one.
 
Hey folks. Does anyone know if RowanSOM is still sending out interview invitations this late in the application cycle?
 
Hey folks. Does anyone know if RowanSOM is still sending out interview invitations this late in the application cycle?
My friend got an interview invite this Monday and he's interviewing Friday (17th). There were two other days after his that he could've chosen but there was nothing listed in May. Hope that helps.
 
will rowam still be sending out interview invites? i applied late in the game (jan) and have been complete on the portal for a long time but no word from rowan. 23 mcat sgpa 3.2 cgpa 3.5 am i shot for any interview invite? :/
 
There is still hope as someone just reported receiving an ii last week. However, those stats are on the low side for RowanSOM. If the rest of your app is remarkable and you possess the unique qualities they are looking for you just may get a shot. Just be prepared to submit you app as soon as the cycle opens next month if not. Good luck!
 
Interviewed last year and subsequently WL'd. Beefed up app, applied first day with secondary complete same day it was sent to me in August. met with Paula in fall who said my app was great and that I was def getting an II. nothing yet since then. I guess point is everyone has anecdotes but no one really knows the innards of the admissions process
 
Interviewed last year and subsequently WL'd. Beefed up app, applied first day with secondary complete same day it was sent to me in August. met with Paula in fall who said my app was great and that I was def getting an II. nothing yet since then. I guess point is everyone has anecdotes but no one really knows the innards of the admissions process

Pretty much exactly what happened to me, except I was on this mysterious 'hold list' before. I followed up with calls to Paula a few times in the fall and after new years but i guess they must have had a rly great pool of ppl this year =\
 
Wait a second. I thought hold signified they would accept you as soon as a spot opened up. From this it seems they treat it as a high priority waitlist instead which is VERY misleading.

I am on hold and they seemed to imply I was basically accepted.
 
Wait a second. I thought hold signified they would accept you as soon as a spot opened up. From this it seems they treat it as a high priority waitlist instead which is VERY misleading.

I am on hold and they seemed to imply I was basically accepted.
Yea that is weird because I know for a fact they got through like 30ish percent of the WL last year and that the hold/alternates were basically at the top of the list. I had a friend interview in April, get put on hold, and then accepted in late May.
 
Traffic rules for aacomas anyone ? I remember seeing it on a thread but can't find it...
 
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