Time To Get a WWatch - Game Thread

[Empire]

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oh, one more thing - is there majority hammer here or not? i want to avoid any possible silliness.

 

[Animal Midwife]

oh, one more thing - is there majority hammer here or not? i want to avoid any possible silliness.

No hammer. It's a plurarity game.

 

[Empire]

k thank you just wanted to make sure there's no chance of anyone getting lolhammered

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m going to be leaving for a good old fashioned game of American football. *glares spookily in the direction of WildZoo*

Friday I am going to be extremely busy with work things, so I might struggle to be here as often for most of the remaining Day 2.

For the moment, I’m

voting NateTheLesser.

 

[Aprilthearab]

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What's making you lean or read village on Empire?

 

[Animal Midwife]

What's making you lean or read village on Empire?

I liked that he put Nate further in the lead.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I liked that he put Nate further in the lead.

Even though it was temporary? How did you feel about him switching to genny?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Even though it was temporary? How did you feel about him switching to genny?

At the time he hadn't switched to genny. I don't feel wonderful about the switch, but if Nate flips wolf, it's still an overall good look unless the others have reason to believe he does hard busses.

 

[Truenamer]

Haven't had the bandwidth to do proper digging today, but my reads have settled out a bit in my mind.

I dislike how stratified they are by how well I know people, but:

AM
PSV
JJJ

Sporty
Nate
April
Santy
Empire
Clem

 

[Animal Midwife]

Haven't had the bandwidth to do proper digging today, but my reads have settled out a bit in my mind.

I dislike how stratified they are by how well I know people, but:

AM
PSV
JJJ

Sporty
Nate
April
Santy
Empire
Clem

What's got Nate so high?

 

[Truenamer]

What's got Nate so high?

I wish I could properly articulate it. His behavior when he came back to the thread yesterday was helpful and pro-village (even though he wolf-read me >:[ ). He was cautious with his vote movement, and I always understood his reasoning.

I am very persuadable on him; I'm persuadable on everybody below the line break. But he doesn't feel as sketch to me as the folks below him.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I might be parked on Nate until I hear more about his visit to samac.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I wish I could properly articulate it. His behavior when he came back to the thread yesterday was helpful and pro-village (even though he wolf-read me >:[ ). He was cautious with his vote movement, and I always understood his reasoning.

I am very persuadable on him; I'm persuadable on everybody below the line break. But he doesn't feel as sketch to me as the folks below him.

Do you have thoughts on him targeting samac?

 

[Truenamer]

Do you have thoughts on him targeting samac?

Torn between the classic "overly anxious wolf trying to get out ahead of a watcher" and "Nate continuing to try and be helpful/pro-village and putting himself out there to prevent a misunderstanding."

I... do think I'd like to know his PR, at this point. I need clarity.

 

[Truenamer]

Just to remind myself (I know most of you have this kind of thing internalized):

12 starting, 2 wolves would be 16.66% (repeating of course), 3 would be 25%. I can see either 2 or 3, with a shift in PRs to balance things out.

If 2, it's currently 8/2. Assuming no intervening PRs, three more misyeets and the subsequent three NKs put us at 2/2.

If 3, it's currently 7/3. Two misyeets and two NKs put us at 3/3.

Tricky knowing which the mods would prefer. I recommend we flip a wolf, the power of their PR will probably be enlightening.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

gg samac

*I visited samac last night*

Claiming this up front in case there are any trackers/watchers that think they saw something spicy. (If there is a tracker/watcher I would expect they're likely town, and I wouldn't want them to out what might seem like a possible red check on me just to then get me AND themselves killed since they'd have a more helpful power than mine)

WIFOM

Unimpressed

Ouch

most aren't the sort to do make a claim right off the bat without receiving significant pressure

Lmao I did this exact thing. Maybe not common where you're from but not unheard of 'round these parts.

Why am I suddenly in your wolfreads?

I guess you could call that a paranoia PoE.
I have the distinct sensation I'm being shepherded. Of the current "wolfy" consensus players, I feel actually not terrible about Clem, Nate, and True. Which means either my gut is leading me astray or we're going down the wrong road.
So I'm reevaluating and cannot exclude you. Technically I guess I can't exclude anyone but.

dead people get no respect

Interesting. Dead people tend to get a lot of respect here... Right, @WildZoo?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I guess you could call that a paranoia PoE.
I have the distinct sensation I'm being shepherded. Of the current "wolfy" consensus players, I feel actually not terrible about Clem, Nate, and True. Which means either my gut is leading me astray or we're going down the wrong road.
So I'm reevaluating and cannot exclude you. Technically I guess I can't exclude anyone but.

If it's a paranoia POE why are you voting JJJ? And why am I part of it? Why are you feeling not terrible about Nate? How do you feel about Empire?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

If it's a paranoia POE why are you voting JJJ? And why am I part of it? Why are you feeling not terrible about Nate? How do you feel about Empire?

Voting JJJ because I'm hoping I'm onto something.
You're part of it because you can't be excluded and you mimic your village tone very well.
I don't have a good reason for not wolfreading Nate. He's not villagey. Just neutral. I haven't seen anything dramatic to move him either way.
Empire... No strong feelings. I don't think he's as wolfy as I thought yester fiscal day. He feels okay now?

 

[SportPonies]

Interesting. Dead people tend to get a lot of respect here... Right, @WildZoo?

I snorted

 

[Animal Midwife]

Voting JJJ because I'm hoping I'm onto something.

I'm asking what makes it a paranoid POE and not a real POE.

You're part of it because you can't be excluded and you mimic your village tone very well.

Since when do you think that?

I don't have a good reason for not wolfreading Nate. He's not villagey. Just neutral. I haven't seen anything dramatic to move him either way.
Empire... No strong feelings. I don't think he's as wolfy as I thought yester fiscal day. He feels okay now?

Not even the post you said was WIFOM?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm asking what makes it a paranoid POE and not a real POE.

Well, I guess because it's born out of paranoia rather than actual substance. I cannot point to specific posts and say "JJJ sounds wolfy here," it's just a sentiment.

Since when do you think that?

I've always thought that? Recently though you've cleared yourself early by voting for a wolf and/or sounding way more villagey than people in the POE and I don't know if either of those has happened yet.

Not even the post you said was WIFOM?

That one post was WIFOM for sure but I'm not wolf-reading him over that one post. Like, I did the same thing as a wolf in LiterWWary (I think that was the game?) where I admitted being jailed before anyone else brought it up to try and get enough "wow a wolf wouldn't really do that, right?" but there are both village and wolf motivations for that sort of post.

 

[WildZoo]

Interesting. Dead people tend to get a lot of respect here... Right, @WildZoo?

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[Animal Midwife]

I've always thought that? Recently though you've cleared yourself early by voting for a wolf and/or sounding way more villagey than people in the POE and I don't know if either of those has happened yet.

No. You've always said, barring last game, that I sound wolfy.

Which recent game have I played with you where you cleared me for voting a wolf?

That one post was WIFOM for sure but I'm not wolf-reading him over that one post. Like, I did the same thing as a wolf in LiterWWary (I think that was the game?) where I admitted being jailed before anyone else brought it up to try and get enough "wow a wolf wouldn't really do that, right?" but there are both village and wolf motivations for that sort of post.

I see.

 

[Truenamer]

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What I'm hearing is, we need to slavishly stick to Samac's legacy reads for the rest of the game, no matter what changes.

 

[WildZoo]

I’m going to be leaving for a good old fashioned game of American football. *glares spookily in the direction of WildZoo*

Spoiler

I like you so I hope you have a good time, but I still hope your team loses 😛

 

[Clem J]

I still don't get it.

Skill issue 🤷‍♀️

 

[Animal Midwife]

Skill issue 🤷‍♀️

Fear not. Explaining is a skill that can be improved.

 

[Truenamer]

Normally this woild be correct but given samac flip its entirely possible they died due to their role rather than being nked

@Animal Midwife I believe he's referring to this as his explanation.

I agree with you, I'd like more than this.

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Animal Midwife I believe he's referring to this as his explanation.

I agree with you, I'd like more than this.

I still don't understand how that relates to Nate or why wolves would holster N1.

 

[Truenamer]

I still don't understand how that relates to Nate or why wolves would holster N1.

If the only death was Samac's and her ability actually worked like a doctor, that would mean that she

1. Decided to give up her life for someone else.
2. Correctly predicted the NK or her ability worked on anywho who got NK'd? But... that feels outlandish.
3. Decided to not tell us or give us a hint before she did it.

All put together, it's just silly. Samac was the NK target and we should move forward, unless anyone wants to come forward and explain why she wasn't.

 

[Animal Midwife]

If the only death was Samac's and her ability actually worked like a doctor, that would mean that she

1. Decided to give up her life for someone else.
2. Correctly predicted the NK or her ability worked on anywho who got NK'd? But... that feels outlandish.
3. Decided to not tell us or give us a hint before she did it.

All put together, it's just silly. Samac was the NK target and we should move forward, unless anyone wants to come forward and explain why she wasn't.

Right, but even if I accept all that, I still don't see any connection to Nate. That's why I'm trying to get clarification on from Clem.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I think we should eliminate Clem.

I have also considered genny and SportPonies, but I don't know either of them at all and it'd be close to null guessing. I actually harbor suspicion of Clem.

I am no longer thrilled with an elimination of either Truenamer or Nate.

Was there a reason you jumped on clem at the last moment if you reasoned this out much earlier than vote close?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Which recent game have I played with you where you cleared me for voting a wolf?

Uh...?
Assassination classroom, I think?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

This is how I feel about the thread right now:
Like every time there's consideration to yeeting anyone, someone (?) gives Border Collie eye and us sheep go "nyahhhh!!!" And turn the other way. Like we're being ping ponged around.
And then suddenly genny gets singled out for no good reason? It's weird. The movement is weird. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Was there a reason you jumped on clem at the last moment if you reasoned this out much earlier than vote close?

Degraded confidence in eliminating either Nate or True and no reason to that point to change my mind about Clem.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is how I feel about the thread right now:
Like every time there's consideration to yeeting anyone, someone (?) gives Border Collie eye and us sheep go "nyahhhh!!!" And turn the other way. Like we're being ping ponged around.
And then suddenly genny gets singled out for no good reason? It's weird. The movement is weird. It doesn't make sense to me.

Do you think anyone looks suspicious enough on their own power to warrant a confident, steadfast wagon that isn’t reconsidered as new posts arrive?

 

[Aprilthearab]

Aprilthearab

Santygrass
samac
JaggedJimmyJay
Truenamer

Animal Midwife
SportPonies
genny
potentialsheltervet

Clem J
NateTheLesser


this is the list i've had sitting in notepad for a while

i very nearly moved truenamer down a tier out of peer pressure but i'm holding to my stance and recent posts have made me feel okay continuing my village read there

my stance on jay has moved toward "cautious trust" as the game has progressed - i wasn't townreading him initially not out of any great fear of his wolf game etc etc but simply because his posts weren't really clicking for me on the level of having thoughts i could villa read. but the game has gone on and the approach has not struck me as nefarious and he's not trying o maintain a status quo that is likely incorrect

the one thing i thought was somewhat villagery from genny was not wanting to yeet in the pool of newcomers simply because it seemed to be cutting off too many potential options as a wolf. beyond that i don't have much

psv read is mostly petty omgus on the scumread of me even if she's moved away from it, because i feel like it's probably not all villas that decide to vote me on day 1

I have a feeling that I've been the biggest voice against empire so I find it interesting that he puts me at the top of his village reads, even feels the need to separate me from the rest of the groups

I don't like getting too far down the rabbit hole of my own affiliation bias but I do have to wonder if this is an intentional wolfy strategy to pocket (or at least take himself off the very bottom of my wolf list) or get credit if I die

What has/had you putting santy so high?

Also find it interesting that you didn't end the day on either of your lowest wolf reads and instead opted for someone closer to neutral. Especially since you go out of your way to say that you don't have much on genny but you think something she did was villagery. Really do not like that

Not a huuuuge fan of the potentially retaliatory PSV read either

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The difficulty with this game is that when people have been wagoned, they have responded in ways that genuinely look good. Perhaps they’re just playing the mafia alignment well in that way, but it’s not easy to tell. If someone looks town, it’s not ideal to just camp on their wagon stubbornly.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Degraded confidence in eliminating either Nate or True and no reason to that point to change my mind about Clem.

Oh wait sorry I forgot you jumped on Genny at the last moment and not Clem. I confused myself reading your response but I get it now

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My genny vote was just “avoid a tie”. She was POE, but I had no confidence.

 

[SportPonies]

This is how I feel about the thread right now:
Like every time there's consideration to yeeting anyone, someone (?) gives Border Collie eye and us sheep go "nyahhhh!!!" And turn the other way. Like we're being ping ponged around.
And then suddenly genny gets singled out for no good reason? It's weird. The movement is weird. It doesn't make sense to me.

This post makes me queasy

 

[Aprilthearab]

This is how I feel about the thread right now:
Like every time there's consideration to yeeting anyone, someone (?) gives Border Collie eye and us sheep go "nyahhhh!!!" And turn the other way. Like we're being ping ponged around.
And then suddenly genny gets singled out for no good reason? It's weird. The movement is weird. It doesn't make sense to me.

I agree that the mass flip to genny was weird and I didn't like it but it's also pretty normal for people to be running around like chickens with their heads cut off D1

But I understand why the flip to genny happened... santy and empire moved there, which wasn't a big deal on its own, then clem self prezzed which set off a chain reaction of "**** I don't want a tie" with samac and JJJ

Still don't like that santy and empire were there to begin with

Is there someone in particular that you think the thread consensus was sheeped off of that you'd like to see yeeted?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Do you think anyone looks suspicious enough on their own power to warrant a confident, steadfast wagon that isn’t reconsidered as new posts arrive?

I mean, no? I don't think anyone should tunnel on someone to the exclusion of considering their new posts. That's not imo the best strategy.

The difficulty with this game is that when people have been wagoned, they have responded in ways that genuinely look good. Perhaps they’re just playing the mafia alignment well in that way, but it’s not easy to tell. If someone looks town, it’s not ideal to just camp on their wagon stubbornly.

Right. I think the wolves may'nt have had a substantial wagon yet.

Is there someone in particular that you think the thread consensus was sheeped off of that you'd like to see yeeted?

No, actually, and that's what concerns me. I think we're dancing without purpose.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Let me elaborate: I think everyone feels wrong because we haven't put enough pressure on the actual wolves. Maybe the players who have gotten substantial pressure feel village in response because *they all are.*

 

[potentialsheltervet]

This post makes me queasy

Take some Pepto bismol before you read it again ig.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Sporty, where's your head? Who're you worried about?
Also as an aside, I'm so used to my phone catching contractions and auto fixing them that I typed "*****" just now and I'm glad I noticed that.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Hmm it bleeped that. Okay. Just take the apostrophe out of who're.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Is there no way to turn off the swear filter?

 

[NateTheLesser]

Because if not that's bullshirt

 

[Aprilthearab]

Let me elaborate: I think everyone feels wrong because we haven't put enough pressure on the actual wolves. Maybe the players who have gotten substantial pressure feel village in response because *they all are.*

Is that part of why you're interested in AM as a push?