Yeah, I know I look really lucky by my GPA, but that's what I get for going to a school where roughly half the class starts out pre-med. As for my MCAT, I think that truly reflects my ability, versus my below-average science GPA.
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Yeah, I know I look really lucky by my GPA, but that's what I get for going to a school where roughly half the class starts out pre-med. As for my MCAT, I think that truly reflects my ability, versus my below-average science GPA.
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Myuu (or any other current Case student),
I know you said that Case likes to hear how much you love them, and why you're such a great fit if you've been placed on post-interview hold. When is it prudent to send such a letter (i.e. should I wait until I have some sort of significant update?), and who should it be written to (admissions committee, Dr. Mehta, etc.)? I've meditated on it a bit, and I really love this school so I'm ready to do whatever it takes to get off this alternate list.
I know you said that Case likes to hear how much you love them, and why you're such a great fit if you've been placed on post-interview hold. When is it prudent to send such a letter (i.e. should I wait until I have some sort of significant update?), and who should it be written to (admissions committee, Dr. Mehta, etc.)? I've meditated on it a bit, and I really love this school so I'm ready to do whatever it takes to get off this alternate list.
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I thought the Glidden House was nice and the people there were very friendly. Plus, it's within walking distance to the school. Another bonus is that there's a good restaurant attached to the Glidden House.
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It would really help if you have something significant to add with a letter. Just saying how much you love the school and would fit in well isn't necessarily going to help if you aren't on the edge, whereas a big update may bump you up a bit. However, if I had to pick a time to send in a letter, it would be before the end of the calendar year as they typically reevaluate holds in January. Just send an email to Christian with the update attached or something.
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I hope my first publication and a nice letter of intent gives me that extra push 
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Good luck SN2ed! First pub? That's pretty cool!I hope my first publication and a nice letter of intent gives me that extra push
Well, if you have your CCLCM interview first, try the intercontinental (either one) on CCF campus, as the rates are reasonable. That way, you are there first thing in the morning and within walking distance of your first interview. Furthermore, you will most likely check out before your UP interview anyways so proximity is not as important, I think.LAman said:
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Sorry to hear that.🙁collosalmockery said:
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Good luck!Girfaroo said:
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Well, my wife is off to watch her sister's 2-month-old daughter for at least a day. My sister-in-law has 'flu-like symptoms'. I of course hope it does not put her out-of-commission too long or turn out to be actual flu. My wife has talked to her in the past week about getting the vaccine, and she is set to get it this next week (she was #3 on the waiting list at her PCP's office to get it).😳
It does remind me that I have many things to be thankful for, including happy and healthy kids and family, wonderful opportunities and friends, food on the table, roof over my head, etc.
And by 'happy and healthy kids' I base that on the fact at all of them are currently fighting like prize-fighters right here in front of me! Aaaah...the holidays! I was told by a professional family counselor that if they are comfortable enough at home to fight amongst themselves, it means they feel safe and secure! He said that if they were in the corner huddling together, that would be a bad sign...by his logic my kids are thriving!
I hope he's right!
I hope everybody is enjoying turkey leftovers and kicking back and relaxing, if only for a day...
And if you'll excuse me...I gotta break up another fight...
It does remind me that I have many things to be thankful for, including happy and healthy kids and family, wonderful opportunities and friends, food on the table, roof over my head, etc.
And by 'happy and healthy kids' I base that on the fact at all of them are currently fighting like prize-fighters right here in front of me! Aaaah...the holidays! I was told by a professional family counselor that if they are comfortable enough at home to fight amongst themselves, it means they feel safe and secure! He said that if they were in the corner huddling together, that would be a bad sign...by his logic my kids are thriving!
I hope he's right!I hope everybody is enjoying turkey leftovers and kicking back and relaxing, if only for a day...
And if you'll excuse me...I gotta break up another fight...
Hi everyone. You have no idea how frequently I have been checking this thread recently, hoping to find reasons to stop counting and forget about the mid-December notification day from CCLCM. (Btw, I really appreciate those med students who keep running this thread - you guys rock!!)
I applied to both CCLCM (interviewed 11/5) and Case (interviewed 11/6, accepted 11/19), and CCLCM is THE #1 choice for me. The interview went fabulous, I thought, and the interviewer replied to my follow-up email that I'd be an "asset" to the program.
Even though I know there is nothing I can do about this, I keep thinking about it and looking forward to mid December - this is the craziest crush I've ever had...except that this is a program not a guy! haha.
I just wanted to ask you CCLCMers how the waiting game went for you all and if you guys expected an acceptance letter from CCLCM. Thanks!!! 🙂
I applied to both CCLCM (interviewed 11/5) and Case (interviewed 11/6, accepted 11/19), and CCLCM is THE #1 choice for me. The interview went fabulous, I thought, and the interviewer replied to my follow-up email that I'd be an "asset" to the program.
Even though I know there is nothing I can do about this, I keep thinking about it and looking forward to mid December - this is the craziest crush I've ever had...except that this is a program not a guy! haha.
I just wanted to ask you CCLCMers how the waiting game went for you all and if you guys expected an acceptance letter from CCLCM. Thanks!!! 🙂
Ah, thanks. yeah I have CCLCM first and UP the day after (how many people interview per day at CCLCM?).... I guess I'll check out that intercontinental one. Proximity is VERY important to me! how far apart are case and cclcm? I thought they were walking distance from each other..
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Nothing beats the intercontinental for proximity to CCLCM, since it's actually part of the Cleveland Clinic campus.
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As far as proximity, The main intercontinental is right across the street.
The campuses are "close", but it is a long hike in an interview outfit. If you are not driving, I'd suggest a cab (or the hotel shuttle). Nothing like sweating it up before you have to!
I heard that on at least one day there was only one student (awkward!), and I think my interview day was more the other "extreme" (for lack of a better term) at 7 or so.
Good luck! I hope you enjoy it as much as I did!
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I agree with the recommendation to stay at one of the Intercontinentals. They have shuttles that can take you over to Case for the second day. I stayed at the Intercontinental Suites when I was interviewing. It's a little farther away from school than the regular Intercontinental, but it's cheaper, and the suites are plenty nice.
It was different for me than it will be for you, since the school was still rolling when I applied. I interviewed in late January and found out I was accepted a week or two later. Did I expect to be accepted....I guess I did, actually. The fit seemed that obvious to me, and I got the impression that it did to them, too. I had been planning to go to a completely different school that was my top choice up to that point, and I almost didn't even come to this interview. But after I interviewed at CCLCM, I had a pretty good idea that I would come here if accepted.
Anyway, good luck for next month. I also want to emphasize to you and everyone else that very few people will be accepted in December, only around ten TOTAL. So there is a possibility that a few of the regulars posting on this thread will be in that ten, but most people will not be accepted in December. What I'm trying to say is, don't give up hope if you're not accepted in the very first group, because most people won't be.
Anywhere from 1-8 people can be in an interview group. The two campuses are about a mile apart. I walk back and forth between them all the time, but as vc7777 pointed out, you might not want to do that if you're dressed for an interview. Plus, that's not the greatest time to get lost.
Good luck with the interviews.
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Page 3? No, no, no. This thread needs to be on page 1.
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I've been wondering.
What does dialyzing one's feet involve? Dialysis of one's feet...?
What does dialyzing one's feet involve? Dialysis of one's feet...?
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My broken foot was seen in clinic by a nephrologist who apparently hates ortho everything and thereby refused to x-ray it, saying it was "probably just a sprain, anyway."😡
Although, people were pretty surprised that I could walk on it as far as I did...
anyone know when the next round of acceptances are being announced, specifically for students who interviewed the first or second week of november? i know they said expect to hear back 3 weeks post-interview, so for the people who interviewed the second of week of november, will the shortened week of thanksgiving count as one full week? thanks!
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You learned me sumthin today!
Perhaps he was following the Ottawa Ankle Rule?
Probably not! I was involved in a couple of clinical research projects that involved ankle injuries. In particular, we had one where they were interested in detecting factures from ultrasound before ordering a standard ankle x-ray. The other involved the Ottawa Ankle Rule...apparently the guy who started it hung out at the hockey rink in Ottawa Canada and built up a rule-of-thumb based on his findings...pretty sweet grass-roots research.
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You learned me sumthin today!
Perhaps he was following the Ottawa Ankle Rule?
I was involved in a couple of clinical research projects that involved ankle injuries. In particular, we had one where they were interested in detecting factures from ultrasound before ordering a standard ankle x-ray. The other involved the Ottawa Ankle Rule...apparently the guy who started it hung out at the hockey rink in Ottawa Canada and built up a rule-of-thumb based on his findings...pretty sweet grass-roots research.
If the lesson is "never trust a nephrologist to correctly diagnose an orthopedic issue, even if you are assigned to him/her because he/she is in a primary care clinic and you have no choice," then it is a good lesson to learn indeed.
I was wondering why the nurses were giving me looks like they were sorry for me. Now, I know.😡
Not an ankle injury, though!
Fig. 1 - For your pre-medical amusement.
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If the lesson is "never trust a nephrologist to correctly diagnose an orthopedic issue, even if you are assigned to him/her because he/she is in a primary care clinic and you have no choice," then it is a good lesson to learn indeed.
I was wondering why the nurses were giving me looks like they were sorry for me. Now, I know.😡
Not an ankle injury, though!
Fig. 1 - For your pre-medical amusement.
Hmmm...what sort of silliness were you up to when you did that?
If you were still a child, I think that would be through the growth plate, right? What would the Salter Harris class be? 🙂
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How hands-on are the clinical experiences at Case during rotations? Is it more of a watch and observe or do students play a more active role?
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I was attempting to walk (quickly) forward. My shoe had other ideas.🙁
As to classification, we haven't done anything peds yet, so I wouldn't know.😳
Type III? Avulsion fracture tearing off the tuberosity of the 5th met, so... probably didn't involve anything beyond epiphysis. Then again, I am currently making stuff up, thanks to Dr. Wikipedia.😏
That depends a lot on your preceptor. So far, some preceptors (e.g. during the House Calls RAMP) have let students do the patient interview(!), while others let us handle basic stuff like taking vitals (if vitals are required). One thing we're not allowed to do as of yet (as part of clinical immersion week, at least--individual shadowing experiences may vary) is scrub in.
(I did get to remove staples for a woman with chronic pain after her C-section, though! They're also currently looking for student volunteers to help distribute H1N1 vaccine...)
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I like the Learn Radiology Podcast...they give good examples and explanations, but they are only a degree above Wiki. 🙂
...and as a follow up question which I think I actually asked somebody during my interview (you I think!):
During MS3 and MS4, are there opportunities to for 1st assist/2nd assist? I am sure YMMV here big time. I only asked because this would be a (crude) indicator how personal/impersonal clerkships are. Maybe not?
Perhaps CCLCMer could answer for CCLCM, but I'm not sure who could speak on behalf of the UP?
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Application placed on hold. Damn....................
sorry to hear that...im still waiting..does case give out post-interview rejections?
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It happens from time to time.
I am probably a little early in asking this, but does anyone know when the Second Look weekend is for this coming spring? I didn't find it on the website, but perhaps some of the students at Case would know more.
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Since she isn't a child, she doesn't have a growth plate and so the S-H class is relevant. However, the fracture just looks like it's horizontal through the bone and would have stayed in the growth plate only, making it a S-H I fracture. Yay peds ortho.
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Congrats! Too good for our sad little hold pool eh??
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some off-topic congrats: dude, UCSD!!! congrats!!!
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lol i'm having enough trouble keeping up with a fast moving thread(2014 thread), i can hardly keep up with 2! idk now rockaction does it haha
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Awesome, congrats!
Are you talking about third year clinical rotations? You should not mainly just be observing on your third year rotations--shadowing is for pre-meds. Even first and second years should be learning how to do a history and physical during their clinic experiences. Third years should be doing at least one history and physical every day for inpatient, and seeing around half a dozen (or more) patients on an outpatient clinic day. No matter where you go to med school, if you're not even getting to do that much, there's a problem.
Of course, how much you get to do depends on which hospital you are rotating at, who your attending/residents are, and how proactive you are. I did most of my core rotations at CCF, and my experience was that I got to do a lot on most rotations. Some were certainly better than others. In general, you tend to have a better experience and get to do more if you're more assertive. You also tend to get to do more if you take overnight call, because there aren't any attendings around and only the residents on call are there. Most of the opportunities I had to do procedures on non-surgery rotations came at night while on call. Too much of being on call sucks, but you should try to take at least a few calls on every inpatient rotation, in my opinion.
Are you asking about the surgery rotation specifically? Definitely team and surgeon-dependent. I had a very good experience because I was lucky enough to land on the colorectal team, and my attending let me do a lot. There are no residents on colorectal. It's just you, the attending, and a fellow. So I was at worst the second assist on every surgery I scrubbed for with that surgeon, and occasionally the first assist. On gyn, I didn't get to do as much because there were usually at least two or three residents and fellows scrubbed in, but I did do some suturing and drove the lap camera once.
I've posted my surgery rotation blog entries if you're interested in reading them.
All of us from the three Case programs (UP, CCLCM, MSTP) rotate together starting in third year. The main difference in rotations for UP/MSTP students versus CCLCM students is in how we're graded. CCLCM is still P/F for third year, and the shelf exams are optional for us and do not get factored into our rotation grade. So on clinical rotation topics, I can speak somewhat for the UP as well. 😉
Congrats. 😀
Hey, PowerButton, welcome back!
Ha, if you had one MD and one PhD, I bet I can guess who both of your interviewers were.
Seriously though, most people are surprisingly bad at gauging how well they did in interviews. It's like Lake Wobegon where everyone thinks they're an above-average interviewee, except for some people like you who feel like it didn't go very well because the questions were hard. What I'm trying to say is that you may have done a lot better than you think you did. But I'm sorry you felt stressed out, and I hope you let them know in your survey at the end of the day. I'm also glad you enjoyed visiting the UP.
i really hope youre right CCLCMer, because my interview was like this too...
too bad...I really LOVED the school!
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😏 poor choice of words? 😏
Thanks for the info!
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Hey PB! You see my super awesome eggplant a couple of pages back? I was sure you were gonna comment on it!
Just a quick couple of questions, trying to take time off of work for possibly going to second look weekend. Do a lot of people go to second look?
Is it feasable to live downtown and take the bus in? Apartments that I search for seem to be accessible to campus via the Healthline bus route, do many students from case live downtown?
Is it feasable to live downtown and take the bus in? Apartments that I search for seem to be accessible to campus via the Healthline bus route, do many students from case live downtown?
mine just lectured me for 40 minutes on how MDs can't do BOTH clinical care and research well and should focus on one or the other..the guy was a PhD..he didnt ask me anything about my research and was 20 minutes late..
my other interviewer was also 20 minutes late and never asked me about my research either..he was a MD
not looking good for me..
my other interviewer was also 20 minutes late and never asked me about my research either..he was a MD
not looking good for me..
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First off, a ton of people go to second look. It's kind of awesome.👍
I know of one person who lives downtown. I think he drives to school. Why not live somewhere like Little Italy or Cleveland Heights?
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Myuu, what makes the Case second look so ballin'? What happens at this event?
Thanks Myuu, I just like downtown because I'm a city person =) high rises and downtown feels make me feel at home 😛 AND living downtown seems very affordable with apartments in the 750ish range whereas Waldorf apartments seem to be around 900
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The opportunities available to you may vary, but here's what happened last year!
Day 1
We put you up in a fancyschmancy hotel, then feed you and give you free drinks (while you schmooze with your [awesome] prospective classmates and the current 1st years, who are most likely representing student orgs). This involves showing you some Doc Opera dances and other student performances. If you get really lucky, you'll see Christian do a drum solo.👍👍👍👍👍
Day 2
The following day, we also feed you, but then show you a whole bunch of school/cleveland-related highlights (in case the alcohol didn't make up your mind for you). You get to meet our faculty at breakfast (my table was graced by Dr. Smith [awesome] and Dr. Haynie [awesome]). After the school highlights, we load you up on buses and escort you around town (check out the popcorn at West Side Market!), then take you downtown for (more free) fun and games. Last year, the second years took us clubbing after that.
Day 3
For some people, there is no divide between day 2 and day 3. Chances are, though, you shouldn't be partying quite that much.
On this day, we feed you and send you on your merry way.👍
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A lot of people in the Waldorf have roommates, which makes that substantially more affordable, though it is a very short walk to school. Studios (single-occupancy only) at the Triangle (across the street from the hospital) start at $772/mo(+$10 for trash, +$25 if you have a feline companion--no dogs). Little Italy and Coventry, on the other hand, are substantially more affordable.👍
The opportunities available to you may vary, but here's what happened last year!
Day 1
We put you up in a fancyschmancy hotel, then feed you and give you free drinks (while you schmooze with your [awesome] prospective classmates and the current 1st years, who are most likely representing student orgs). This involves showing you some Doc Opera dances and other student performances. If you get really lucky, you'll see Christian do a drum solo.👍👍👍👍👍
Day 2
The following day, we also feed you, but then show you a whole bunch of school/cleveland-related highlights (in case the alcohol didn't make up your mind for you). You get to meet our faculty at breakfast (my table was graced by Dr. Smith [awesome] and Dr. Haynie [awesome]). After the school highlights, we load you up on buses and escort you around town (check out the popcorn at West Side Market!), then take you downtown for (more free) fun and games. Last year, the second years took us clubbing after that.
Day 3
For some people, there is no divide between day 2 and day 3. Chances are, though, you shouldn't be partying quite that much.
Wow that does sound fun!... uhh we get "put up" in the hotel? as in it is paid for??
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Two things:
1. The first page is always better than the second.
2. I wasn't clear earlier, but that was the UP second look. I have no idea what goes on at the CCLCM second look, but they're designed to go together (I am told).
1. The first page is always better than the second.
2. I wasn't clear earlier, but that was the UP second look. I have no idea what goes on at the CCLCM second look, but they're designed to go together (I am told).
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Well, I can tell you that the school where I had my toughest interview (not CCLCM) ended up being one of the first schools to accept me, while I had great interviews at a couple of other schools that rejected me post-interview. So at least speaking for myself, it's not always possible to know how well things went based on how you felt after the interview.
No, excellent choice of words. Much better to land ON colorectal than IN colorectal.
Just so you know, there were many, many people at Case who were impressed with your eggplant. 👍
Well, I would say no, but some of the applicants have disagreed with me.
😳Regardless, you should be comfortable discussing your research, especially the hypothesis, aims, purpose, future direction, etc. Hopefully you enjoy talking about research if you're applying to CCLCM!
Yes. If you can get the time off, you should definitely come.
Yes. I know several people who live downtown, although I don't think any of them take the bus in.
For those of you who get into both programs, you will have a non-stop, back-to-back, all-Case party. 👍
Activities include student panels, lots of eating, meeting with potential PIs if you want, lots more eating, and yes, hotel is included. In the past, CCLCM has also given money to help cover travel expenses. I'm not sure if that will be done this year. There are evening outings to check out the Cleveland nightlife, and always a bowling night. (Why does every second look at every med school involve bowling, anyway?) You also get a tour of Cleveland courtesy of Lolly the Trolley, which is not something I can adequately do justice to describing on an internet forum to those who have never had the experience.
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