2009-2010 Stanford Application Thread

[wolfiemd]

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Always classy. always.

BTW. Facebook group if you'd like to join. Search Facebook for Stanford Med Waitlisted Class of 2014. I'll let you in.

it's going to be weird putting a picture to the name whoa

 

[mdeast]

it's going to be weird putting a picture to the name whoa

i'm an ogre. Just deal with it.

 

[TheFreak]

it's going to be weird putting a picture to the name whoa

yeah that's the best part of the group

 

[Naijaba]

yeah that's the best part of the group

Hey, ya know what, if I get accepted I'll tell Dean Garcia about our group! 😀

 

[wolfiemd]

Hey, ya know what, if I get accepted I'll tell Dean Garcia about our group! 😀

gah...i gave in..just requested to join

 

[mdeast]

Request accepted.

Now for more (somewhat) useless statistics. New US News rankings. Stanford unfortunately dropped 6 spots to #11. MCAT averages of enrolled students went down from a ~34.8 to ~33.9. Of more important note....

5820 applied, 450 interviewed, 206 were accepted, 86 enrolled

206 accepted! That means that given there are about 130-140 acceptances sent out...up to 70 waitlist acceptances could be given out. This is complete conjecture and probably means absolutely nothing (or have any relevance). Seems like a tough year for Stanford, went from 2.5% acceptance rate to 3.5% which is actually a big jump. I guess the waitlist did really get moving last year.

Good luck all and good night.

 

[bobsmith]

Request accepted.

Now for more (somewhat) useless statistics. New US News rankings. Stanford unfortunately dropped 6 spots to #11. MCAT averages of enrolled students went down from a ~34.8 to ~33.9. Of more important note....

5820 applied, 450 interviewed, 206 were accepted, 86 enrolled

206 accepted! That means that given there are about 130-140 acceptances sent out...up to 70 waitlist acceptances could be given out. This is complete conjecture and probably means absolutely nothing (or have any relevance). Seems like a tough year for Stanford, went from 2.5% acceptance rate to 3.5% which is actually a big jump. I guess the waitlist did really get moving last year.

Good luck all and good night.

Unfortunately? No way, this is great news! Because this obviously means that all the currently accepted students will eschew Stanford in favor of the now higher ranked schools.

...right?

OK maybe not. But we can hope

 

[Feef]

Request accepted.

Now for more (somewhat) useless statistics. New US News rankings. Stanford unfortunately dropped 6 spots to #11. MCAT averages of enrolled students went down from a ~34.8 to ~33.9. Of more important note....

5820 applied, 450 interviewed, 206 were accepted, 86 enrolled

206 accepted! That means that given there are about 130-140 acceptances sent out...up to 70 waitlist acceptances could be given out. This is complete conjecture and probably means absolutely nothing (or have any relevance). Seems like a tough year for Stanford, went from 2.5% acceptance rate to 3.5% which is actually a big jump. I guess the waitlist did really get moving last year.

Good luck all and good night.

Boooooo. Obviously USnews doesn't know what they're doing. 🙄

Wow, 206 Accepted. Good news for us!

 

[oze]

WHAT?! Stanford isn't top 10 anymore?! Withdrawing from the waitlist right now...what a B-side school.



(if anyone's sarcasm meter is broken....well....I'm sorry for you)

 

[mdeast]

Boooooo. Obviously USnews doesn't know what they're doing. 🙄

Wow, 206 Accepted. Good news for us!

Woops. 5 spots to #11. It was #6 last year. This is strange because Stanford hasn't been out of the Top 10 in a while. Seems to be partially do the high waitlist movement last year and lower MCAT scores of matriculated students.

 

[oze]

Woops. 5 spots to #11. It was #6 last year. This is strange because Stanford hasn't been out of the Top 10 in a while. Seems to be partially do the high waitlist movement last year and lower MCAT scores of matriculated students.

hmmm hope they don't rebound the other way this year - otherwise I'm le screwed on both counts

 

[oze]

also - I've been wondering this - where the hell are all the accepted kids? do they have their own secret thread? only the waitlisted kids hang out here anymore.

 

[bobsmith]

they're probably off being busy doing all the things that got them accepted to stanford in the first place

 

[Naijaba]

Wow, 206 Accepted. Good news for us!

Oh man!!! Good news to help me fall asleep : )

EDIT: I will say that that is a rather huge drop in rankings...and one thing that does scare me (although they're still my first choice baby), is the insane drop in students receiving their first residency choice:

Last year: >70%
This year: 56%

I would argue that residency directors didn't look too favorably on Stanford applicants this past year :/

 

[Naijaba]

also - I've been wondering this - where the hell are all the accepted kids? do they have their own secret thread? only the waitlisted kids hang out here anymore.

I've thought about this as well. The past 3 or so pages are just waitlisters, friends of waitlisters, and people going to HMS or the like wishing us good luck...where are the Stanford 2014 matriculants?

 

[oze]

I've thought about this as well. The past 3 or so pages are just waitlisters, friends of waitlisters, and people going to HMS or the like wishing us good luck...where are the Stanford 2014 matriculants?

hopefully right here in a month baby

yeah I dont care about the drop in rankings. Stanford is too "choose your own adventure" to pass up

 

[bobsmith]

Oh man!!! Good news to help me fall asleep : )

EDIT: I will say that that is a rather huge drop in rankings...and one thing that does scare me (although they're still my first choice baby), is the insane drop in students receiving their first residency choice:

Last year: >70%
This year: 56%

I would argue that residency directors didn't look too favorably on Stanford applicants this past year :/

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the % who got their #1 residency choice because the match is just highly variable and also because people don't rank programs that they didn't interview at

So for example, you could have two applicants who, going into application season, both have Hospital A as their first choice and Hospital B as their second choice.

If one applicant gets an interview at both places and ranks them
1) A
2) B
3/4/5/6) whatever

while the other only gets an interview at Hospital B and ranks
1) B
2/3/4/5) whatever

and they both match at Hospital B, the second applicant technically got their "first choice" while the first one didn't, even though they both ended up with their second preference overall.

 

[premad]

also - I've been wondering this - where the hell are all the accepted kids? do they have their own secret thread? only the waitlisted kids hang out here anymore.

they're probably off being busy doing all the things that got them accepted to stanford in the first place

I've thought about this as well. The past 3 or so pages are just waitlisters, friends of waitlisters, and people going to HMS or the like wishing us good luck...where are the Stanford 2014 matriculants?

 

[Naijaba]

 

[premad]

Haha, so, um...Stanford!

 

[Feef]

Haha, so, um...Stanford!

I nominate premad to be the SDN waitlister's already-accepted ambassador to Dean Garcia. 😀

 

[mdeast]

Haha, so, um...Stanford!

premad...didn't you crazy offers from like everywhere? where did you end up choosing from? are you going to stanford?

 

[premad]

I nominate premad to be the SDN waitlister's already-accepted ambassador to Dean Garcia. 😀

premad...didn't you crazy offers from like everywhere? where did you end up choosing from? are you going to stanford?

I haven't chosen, need to hear last on financial aid. Then, on to coin flipping.

 

[neuronc]

Any news for those who interviewed the last week of March/first week of April?? Getting antsy....

 

[Naijaba]

Any news for those who interviewed the last week of March/first week of April?? Getting antsy....

Was the last week of interviews last week or two weeks ago? If it was two weeks ago then maybe today will be the last day of non-waitlsit acceptances.

 

[TheFreak]

Was the last week of interviews last week or two weeks ago? If it was two weeks ago then maybe today will be the last day of non-waitlsit acceptances.

we're close yeah. i think it might have been two weeks plus change.

 

[neuronc]

Was the last week of interviews last week or two weeks ago? If it was two weeks ago then maybe today will be the last day of non-waitlsit acceptances.

I think April 6 might have been the last interview date.

 

[Naijaba]

Found this on Stanford's website:

Year Tuition per Quarter:
1920 $50
1960 $335
1980 $2,446
2000 $9,902
2005 $12,765
2009 $14,463

 

[Feef]

Found this on Stanford's website:

Year Tuition per Quarter:
1920 $50
1960 $335
1980 $2,446
2000 $9,902
2005 $12,765
2009 $14,463

Is this adjusted for inflation?

Man, can u imagine 50 dollar tuitions?

Time to pay up! *shuffles through pockets* Ok, i got a 20....another 20....ooo a 5.... 4 dollars here....two quarters....damn...im 50 cents short...

 

[wolfiemd]

Is this adjusted for inflation?

Man, can u imagine 50 dollar tuitions?

Time to pay up! *shuffles through pockets* Ok, i got a 20....another 20....ooo a 5.... 4 dollars here....two quarters....damn...im 50 cents short...

i'll loan you the 50 cents, but you must pay a 200% per second interest rate to Wolfiemd Community Bank

 

[neuronc]

Who did everyone call(if they did) for post interview status? The admissions coordinator or counselors? Thanks.

 

[oze]

Who did everyone call(if they did) for post interview status? The admissions coordinator or counselors? Thanks.

I didn't call - you'll get a call or a letter either way

 

[neuronc]

.

 

[Naijaba]

yeah wlers get in on this. with our powers combined...

I think the heart ring might actually be the most useful for swaying Dean Garcia in our favor, and it's probably good for patient care too.

 

[Rajasthan]

at least four people got in over the past weekend

 

[mdeast]

at least four people got in over the past weekend

you mean off the waitlist or post-interview? how do you know this?

 

[wolfiemd]

you mean off the waitlist or post-interview? how do you know this?

he probably means those that interviewed the last week before second look

 

[NormaMD]

So because Stanford charges per quarter, the second and third year have a COA of about $91,000? Most other schools are listing COA for those years at $65,000-$75,000.

Can somebody set me straight if I'm confused? Does this end up sending us into significantly more debt than at other schools (assuming no grants)?

 

[mdeast]

So because Stanford charges per quarter, the second and third year have a COA of about $91,000? Most other schools are listing COA for those years at $65,000-$75,000.

Can somebody set me straight if I'm confused? Does this end up sending us into significantly more debt than at other schools (assuming no grants)?

Yes. This is kind of ridiculous expensive. Most schools are a flat $45k tuition each year. Or, it might go up a bit in the 3rd year, but not by much.

91k for Years 2 and 3. 68k years 1 and 4.

Total: 318k. Wow.

I guess you can take into account being a TA or getting med scholars money. Still, that's a little ridiculous. I don't know if any med school is more. How is debt load at the end so low?

 

[Naijaba]

Yes. This is kind of ridiculous expensive...How is debt load at the end so low?

I mentioned this in a post on someone else's "Stanford vs. Cheaper School" thread, but I figure that I should repeat it here. When I interviewed they noted that their grads have the lowest debt, second only to Mayo, because their students work *really* hard to maximize their use of the school's funding options (MedScholars, TAships, parental matching, etc.). They stressed that the school itself is NOT inherently cheaper, as a matter of fact it is rather expensive. BUT, they offer so many sources of funding that a workaholic individual can really profit at Stanford.

In other words, Stanford *can* be as cheap as the UCs are to begin with, if you're willing to work your butt off.

 

[mdeast]

I mentioned this in a post on someone else's "Stanford vs. Cheaper School" thread, but I figure that I should repeat it here. When I interviewed they noted that their grads have the lowest debt, second only to Mayo, because their students work *really* hard to maximize their use of the school's funding options (MedScholars, parental matching, etc.). They stressed that the school itself is NOT inherently cheaper, as a matter of fact it is rather expensive. BUT, they offer so many sources of funding that a workaholic individual can really profit at Stanford.

In other words, Stanford *can* be as cheap as the UCs are to begin with, if you're willing to work your butt off.

OK...but in third/fourth year. Assume you somehow have time to be a TA. That's about 7k/quarter. So 28k/year. That still makes Stanford 63k/year even when you're working your butt off. Now that Med Scholars is less money...it's even harder to use that make tuition less in a normal 4 year plan (assuming you got a half or quarter grant to do research during the year).

 

[Feef]

I mentioned this in a post on someone else's "Stanford vs. Cheaper School" thread, but I figure that I should repeat it here. When I interviewed they noted that their grads have the lowest debt, second only to Mayo, because their students work *really* hard to maximize their use of the school's funding options (MedScholars, TAships, parental matching, etc.). They stressed that the school itself is NOT inherently cheaper, as a matter of fact it is rather expensive. BUT, they offer so many sources of funding that a workaholic individual can really profit at Stanford.

In other words, Stanford *can* be as cheap as the UCs are to begin with, if you're willing to work your butt off.

👍. That was my impression too.

I'm not sure if the general financial status of the student's family play a role. For example, students might have relatively wealthier families who pays for a larger portion of their tuition and expenses.

 

[mdeast]

👍. That was my impression too.

I'm not sure if the general financial status of the student's family play a role. For example, students might have relatively wealthier families who pays for a larger portion of their tuition and expenses.

So it's 14 quarters, not 13 right? 3 quarters M1 and M4, 4 quarters M2 and M2 = 14 quarters. I remember they had a middle income match program...where Stanford would give you 5k if you paid 5k of tuition. So 5k match/quarter is equal to 70k over 14 quarters. I guess that's actually pretty good.

If I am lucky enough to get in here, I'm definitely gonna have to do some financial aid investigation before enrolling.

All financial things aside, Stanford = 😍

 

[oze]

All financial things aside, Stanford = 😍

yeah I've completely tuned out from this conversation. I'd sell my right eyeball and walk around like a pirate if I had to.

 

[NormaMD]

To clarify, the middle income match works like this:

To be eligible for anything, you must have more than $0 of financial need. You receive your financial need, X, in grant money.

The maximum middle income grant is $4,600 per quarter. They subtract your actual need, X, from $4,600: $4,600 - X = Y. Stanford will match a parent contribution up to the value of Y. (So even if your parents can't give you the whole amount, Stanford will match what they can give).

However, if you are not determined to have need, then they will not match anything. 🙁

mdeast, I think you're getting $5,000 per quarter from the old system. Because of the reduction in tuition, the middle income match is reduced.

 

[mdeast]

To clarify, the middle income match works like this:

To be eligible for anything, you must have more than $0 of financial need. You receive your financial need, X, in grant money.

The maximum middle income grant is $4,600 per quarter. They subtract your actual need, X, from $4,600: $4,600 - X = Y. Stanford will match a parent contribution up to the value of Y. (So even if your parents can't give you the whole amount, Stanford will match what they can give).

However, if you are not determined to have need, then they will not match anything. 🙁

mdeast, I think you're getting $5,000 per quarter from the old system. Because of the reduction in tuition, the middle income match is reduced.

Do you remember what the new quarter tuition is?

 

[TheFreak]

yeah I've completely tuned out from this conversation. I'd sell my right eyeball and walk around like a pirate if I had to.

ditto. ive actually been trying to offer this eyeball to get in but for some reason its not working.

 

[NormaMD]

Do you remember what the new quarter tuition is?

Tuition is normally $14,732 and if you are only doing research for a quarter (such as taking time off to do full MedScholars) then you pay $2,946 per quarter.

 

[mdeast]

Tuition is normally $14,732 and if you are only doing research for a quarter (such as taking time off to do full MedScholars) then you pay $2,946 per quarter.

Well that's not really much of a decrease. lol. I assume the $2,946 is irrelevant, because Med Scholars covers that anyway. So no more cheap tuition if you stay more than 13 quarters?

Also, am I missing something or aren't there 14 quarters? 3 + 3 + 4 + 4 = 14.

 

[bobsmith]

Well that's not really much of a decrease. lol.

Yeah, but getting significantly reduced tuition for your med scholars quarter is a pretty big decrease.

This way, if you do research between M1 and M2, for example, you actually get paid rather than paying to do the research and only reaping the benefits if you take a 5th year (as jehrdoc was saying).