2010-2011 Case Western Reserve University Application Thread

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The research essay for CCLCM is in lieu of the "optional scholarly essay" for UP. Because, as noted on the website, research is a requirement for the College track. And they'd love to hear about your research for the UP anyway. You can apply for both, but it's redundant to have the required research essay along with the optional scholarly essay.

Edit: Avoidthetiger... too fast for me. You win 🙁
 
Edit: Avoidthetiger... too fast for me. You win 🙁
I'm doing everything in my power to avoid digitizing. ughhhh boring research day.

also, you explained it alot prettier than me. I have a horrible way with words.
 
Yup~ being under limit is fine 🙂

I was under limit for several of my essays



Yes they interview separately but they do their best that its on consecutive days so you only have to come down once. (I think I did like a Thursday and Friday)

Hey thanks for your help!
 
For the greatest challenge essay I was thinking about writing about a time when I was 'in over my head.' (I went to China the summer after graduating high school to train a new office to analyze ultrasounds and even though I had just been trained myself a couple of weeks earlier.) However, I already used it as a big chunk of my personal statement... Do you think I can talk about it again in this essay but more in depth and with a slightly different spin? Or should I talk about something else entirely, but which I wouldn't really classify as my 'greatest challenge?'

thanks.
 
does anyone know how strict case western is about the 2 week deadline for submitting your secondary app? i may be a little bit behind.......
 
For the greatest challenge essay I was thinking about writing about a time when I was 'in over my head.' (I went to China the summer after graduating high school to train a new office to analyze ultrasounds and even though I had just been trained myself a couple of weeks earlier.) However, I already used it as a big chunk of my personal statement... Do you think I can talk about it again in this essay but more in depth and with a slightly different spin? Or should I talk about something else entirely, but which I wouldn't really classify as my 'greatest challenge?'

thanks.

I also had a similar problem when I was writing the challenge essay. I thought I had talked about my greatest challenge in my PS- however, I came up with something different. To be honest, my challenge essay never came up during the interview at all. However, I would reccomend using a different topic because that's just more things your interviewer can talk about. Which of course, is awesome!

does anyone know how strict case western is about the 2 week deadline for submitting your secondary app? i may be a little bit behind.......

I would submit in two weeks... because they say two weeks ~shrug~
 
Completed the same day I submitted. 😍

I applied to the College Program, and submitted my secondary last Thursday night, but still hasn't been marked Complete yet. How long does that usually take? When shall I call the admission office?
 
does anyone know how strict case western is about the 2 week deadline for submitting your secondary app? i may be a little bit behind.......

I am not too worried about it. They request it to be done by then but oh well. I don't have time to get it done by then so it will just have to wait. Besides the app just says by december 15th but earlier is better. The email mentioned it but I will do my best to follow it and if it hurts me that I didn't then I guess it hurts me.
 
Just submitted this. I put my heart into the challenge essay, I hope it results in an interview invite. I think I'm in love with this school!
 
does anyone know how strict case western is about the 2 week deadline for submitting your secondary app? i may be a little bit behind.......

It won't hurt to be timely, but it you need time, I'm sure you'll be fine.

Just submitted this. I put my heart into the challenge essay, I hope it results in an interview invite. I think I'm in love with this school!
👍:luck:
 
Did those of you marked complete get an email? My iapply says complete but I haven't gotten an email.
 
Unless there's been a change, we don't email you to tell you you're complete. We will email you if we want to talk to you, though.🙂:luck:
 
How strict do you guys think is the 3500 character limit? I know it says that your essays will still be saved if you go over, but how much is too much, a couple or a couple hundred? Also, do they count spaces as a character?
 
How strict do you guys think is the 3500 character limit? I know it says that your essays will still be saved if you go over, but how much is too much, a couple or a couple hundred? Also, do they count spaces as a character?

A space is a character, yes. If you think about it, 100 characters isn't that much text--a paragraph at most. While it's safe to go over, it's best not to subject adcom members to a dissertation. There isn't really a specific number that is regarded as "too much," but you may want to consider having someone else look over your essay to see if there's anything that might be extraneous/wordy/rephrasable.:luck:
 
I applied to the College Program, and submitted my secondary last Thursday night, but still hasn't been marked Complete yet. How long does that usually take? When shall I call the admission office?

Don't fret 🙂

They've gotten so many applications that the admissions staff is already swamped. I don't think I ever got a complete email from CCLCM (I could be completely wrong) but I believe the first correspondence I actually got from them was the interview invite in conjunction with my Case interview invite.

I wouldn't call them for at least a few weeks so you know they've had a chance to process it and everything.
 
Don't fret 🙂

They've gotten so many applications that the admissions staff is already swamped. I don't think I ever got a complete email from CCLCM (I could be completely wrong) but I believe the first correspondence I actually got from them was the interview invite in conjunction with my Case interview invite.

I wouldn't call them for at least a few weeks so you know they've had a chance to process it and everything.

Thank you so much for your encouragement!!
 
Soooo I used to be a BME, switched to bio and did some ecology stuff, pretty much none of my research is medically-based. Any ideas on how to tackle the last essay on research? I know it says it doesn't have to be related to medicine but I'm still a little leery. Anyone in a similar sich or have advice? Thanks
 
Soooo I used to be a BME, switched to bio and did some ecology stuff, pretty much none of my research is medically-based. Any ideas on how to tackle the last essay on research? I know it says it doesn't have to be related to medicine but I'm still a little leery. Anyone in a similar sich or have advice? Thanks

Excellent Question: I am 100% sure that it really doesn't matter to the adcom whether it is medically related. In fact, I would say that they actively look for people with diverse backgrounds because they can each contribute to the educational experience in their own unique ways.

Plus, if I were on the committee (which I am not, of course) I would probably find a non-medically related research discussion refreshingly different.

Besides, it's not like you can change what you have done up until this point anyways - write about who you are and what you've done. Don't lose sleep over not finding a cure for cancer!

What they are looking for is someone genuinely interested in life-long learning - someone who demonstrates that special spark of "child-like" curiosity. But keep in mind, they don't expect you to be doing it in a medically relevant way...yet 😉

EDIT P.S. my classmates: I've decided I LOVE biostats...this week is gonna rock! I finished my reading for tomorrow while simultaneously "watching" Indiana Jones with my youngest daughter AND helping my son play an on-line retro-tank game. Multitasking A+! What cracks me up was I feel more confident about it than anything else we've done so far ('cept maybe the sodium channel dysfunction/ cardiology seminar last week 😀). Bring it on!
 
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Excellent Question: I am 100% sure that it really doesn't matter to the adcom whether it is medically related. In fact, I would say that they actively look for people with diverse backgrounds because they can each contribute to the educational experience in their own unique ways.

I'm hoping to be among the 2 humanities major accepted every year :laugh: I do have research experience in my major, it's definitely more culturally oriented though (have a bit of science research too).
 
I'm hoping to be among the 2 humanities major accepted every year :laugh: I do have research experience in my major, it's definitely more culturally oriented though (have a bit of science research too).
There's no way that number of humanities majors is correct. 1. CWRU takes a good chunk of CWRU undergrads -- filled with double majors (biology/pyschology). 2. Online 2008 data shows 7% were humanities major and 27% of their class was double major or mixed disciplines. It's pretty impressive.

I think research experience in your major counts though. It's not "hard science" but it does mean you will think out the box... and have some of the skills to adapt to research (if you didn't already have science research).
 
There's no way that number of humanities majors is correct. 1. CWRU takes a good chunk of CWRU undergrads -- filled with double majors (biology/pyschology). 2. Online 2008 data shows 7% were humanities major and 27% of their class was double major or mixed disciplines. It's pretty impressive.

I think research experience in your major counts though. It's not "hard science" but it does mean you will think out the box... and have some of the skills to adapt to research (if you didn't already have science research).

Oops I guess I wasn't clear.. I was talking about CCLCM since the research expection is a lot higher. The numbers that I remember said 6% of the class was humanities, but of course I can't find that statistic after searching on the site again 😛 But 6% of 32 is 2. I don't even know whether to believe myself now though since I couldn't find the statistic!

Anyway, I really like both programs. They look amazing 😍
 
Oops I guess I wasn't clear.. I was talking about CCLCM since the research expection is a lot higher. The numbers that I remember said 6% of the class was humanities, but of course I can't find that statistic after searching on the site again 😛 But 6% of 32 is 2. I don't even know whether to believe myself now though since I couldn't find the statistic!

Anyway, I really like both programs. They look amazing 😍
ohhh gotchya gotchya gotchya. i'm surprised they take so few humanities at CCLCM, but I am sure you have a good shot! 🙂
 
An interesting question.
What do you guys think about having the same essay for the scholarly option question and the CCLM research question?

It seems to me that they can be the same???
 
ohhh gotchya gotchya gotchya. i'm surprised they take so few humanities at CCLCM, but I am sure you have a good shot! 🙂

Thanks! I think part of it may have to do with so few humanities majors actually doing something that resembles research.. technically I am an interdisciplinary major, so that may have something to do with it. You're applying to both CP and UP right? Good luck!!

Also, congrats on your first interview 🙂
 
An interesting question.
What do you guys think about having the same essay for the scholarly option question and the CCLM research question?

It seems to me that they can be the same???

You only get the scholarly option question if you're applying to just CWRU. If you're applying to CCLCM alongside, or exclusively CCLCM, you get the research essay instead of the scholarly option.
 
does anyone know how strict case western is about the 2 week deadline for submitting your secondary app? i may be a little bit behind.......
This is one of the few times in life when a deadline is "suggested" rather than "required." Don't get too used to it. 😉

Seriously, just submit the secondary as soon as you can. It won't be a problem if it takes you two weeks and one day, or even three or four weeks, to get it in. But remember that interview invites go out on a rolling basis, so the longer you wait to submit, the fewer invites will be left. So I wouldn't suggest waiting three or four months to submit it if you can help it!

I applied to the College Program, and submitted my secondary last Thursday night, but still hasn't been marked Complete yet. How long does that usually take? When shall I call the admission office?
I would give them a week or two, then call. When I applied, I still wasn't complete after a week, and it turned out that Case hadn't downloaded my LORs from online. Once I called, they downloaded the letters and I was complete.

Soooo I used to be a BME, switched to bio and did some ecology stuff, pretty much none of my research is medically-based. Any ideas on how to tackle the last essay on research? I know it says it doesn't have to be related to medicine but I'm still a little leery. Anyone in a similar sich or have advice? Thanks
My research was not medically related either. It's not a problem. Just focus your essay on the relevance of your work (i.e., the bigger picture of why you're doing this research), the hypothesis you're testing, and your role in the project. You don't have to get hardcore into your methods.

I'm hoping to be among the 2 humanities major accepted every year :laugh: I do have research experience in my major, it's definitely more culturally oriented though (have a bit of science research too).
There aren't only two humanities majors accepted per year--we don't have quotas for humanities majors. 😛

Oops I guess I wasn't clear.. I was talking about CCLCM since the research expection is a lot higher. The numbers that I remember said 6% of the class was humanities, but of course I can't find that statistic after searching on the site again 😛 But 6% of 32 is 2. I don't even know whether to believe myself now though since I couldn't find the statistic!
Well, but consider that who shows up on that list is a factor of who applies, who interviews, who is accepted, AND who chooses to matriculate. If we accepted 20 humanities majors but only two matriculated, then you wouldn't ever know about those other 18, right? Plus, you're talking about the stats for the current first year class only. Our classes are so small, and it takes so few people to skew the statistics, that it's entirely possible for next year's class to have six or seven humanities majors, which would be 20% of the class. Next thing you know, you'll see people posting all over SDN next year about how CCLCM gives preference to humanities majors. 😀

The research requirement for CCLCM is that you should have a significant research experience and a desire to have an academic medicine type of career. That doesn't mean that your research experience has to be biomedical, or even natural science necessarily. Yes, many people will have done biomedical research in a lab, but a lot of other people will have done other things too, including clinical research, engineering, physical sciences, social sciences, etc. It also doesn't mean that you have to have a decade of lab experience in order to be competitive. The two most common scenarios are that people do research for 1-2 years during college, or they take a glide year to do research in between college and med school.

For the record, I was a liberal arts major and have a BA. 🙂
 
for the research essay, how much "technical detail" about the research project do you think it is important to include?

"including the hypothesis you pursued, the methods selected to answer this hypothesis, and why, and your results and interpretation of the results with respect to future findings."

i don't want to go into gory detail, but I do think i should be a little more scientifically technical with this essay in particular as opposed to some secondaries for other schools
 
Well, but consider that who shows up on that list is a factor of who applies, who interviews, who is accepted, AND who chooses to matriculate. If we accepted 20 humanities majors but only two matriculated, then you wouldn't ever know about those other 18, right? Plus, you're talking about the stats for the current first year class only. Our classes are so small, and it takes so few people to skew the statistics, that it's entirely possible for next year's class to have six or seven humanities majors, which would be 20% of the class. Next thing you know, you'll see people posting all over SDN next year about how CCLCM gives preference to humanities majors. 😀

For the record, I was a liberal arts major and have a BA. 🙂

Ah, I see you are BadAss too 🙂 Haha your point is noted. I guess it doesn't really matter, if they like you they like you! I think I am gonna stop worrying about everything, check on schools every day or two, and just live my life. The stress isn't worth it!
 
Thanks! I think part of it may have to do with so few humanities majors actually doing something that resembles research.. technically I am an interdisciplinary major, so that may have something to do with it. You're applying to both CP and UP right? Good luck!!

Also, congrats on your first interview 🙂
Why thank you. I've pretty much been on cloud 9 for the past few days.

I'm have a dual major B.A. because I liked my humanities and also sciences way too much. I hope both CCLCM and CWRU like the fact that I completed a humanities major... though I didn't really take about the research i did in that field (though my undergrad capstone/thesis was with my humanities major).
 
I think I am gonna stop worrying about everything, check on schools every day or two, and just live my life. The stress isn't worth it!
Good idea. If you figure out how to do all of that, tell me how so that I can do it while I'm applying this year, too. 😛

I'm have a dual major B.A. because I liked my humanities and also sciences way too much. I hope both CCLCM and CWRU like the fact that I completed a humanities major... though I didn't really take about the research i did in that field (though my undergrad capstone/thesis was with my humanities major).
I don't know how much it will help you, but it sure can't hurt. Good luck! 🙂
 
How competitive is the college program? Is there stats out for # of applicants, interviewed and accepted? I dont have a super large # of research hrs nor any poster/presentation/publication, so i dont know if i should bother apply...

thankss
 
I know this was answered before but I can't find it. If we applied to CCLCM and the normal program, do we have to be reviewed by both before interviews start? And what is the time-frame for that?
 
I know this was answered before but I can't find it. If we applied to CCLCM and the normal program, do we have to be reviewed by both before interviews start? And what is the time-frame for that?

Yes you have to be reviewed by both.

Umm- I think they start interviewing in September like- late September?
 
Yes you have to be reviewed by both.

Umm- I think they start interviewing in September like- late September?

I seem to recall something about 9/16 being the day. I could be off by a couple days or so, though.😳


Edit: Please note that CCLCM doesn't start reviewing applications until later in the season, so those of you who've applied to both programs might have to wait a little longer before getting notified about interviews.
 
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How competitive is the college program? Is there stats out for # of applicants, interviewed and accepted? I dont have a super large # of research hrs nor any poster/presentation/publication, so i dont know if i should bother apply...

thankss

There aren't any published stats for just the college program, but here are some things I overheard at state of the college (someone correct me if I'm wrong):

Number of applicants: about 1500.
Number of interviews: about 250.
Average MCAT: 35 (this is the average, not the median like you see in the MSAR; I suspect that the median is higher)
Average GPA: 3.75 (again, the median is probably higher)

I had no publications/posters, and only about one year at 10-15 hours a week in the lab when I applied (now I have 2 years, still no pubs). FWIW, I think the adcom cares a lot more about an interest in research than tons of experience doing it well.

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I seem to recall something about 9/16 being the day. I could be off by a couple days or so, though.😳


Edit: Please note that CCLCM doesn't start reviewing applications until later in the season, so those of you who've applied to both programs might have to wait a little longer before getting notified about interviews.

Hmm, so this puts me at a disadvantage for the normal program? I don't even know if I'm competitive for CCLCM (3.65/35 with 2 years of research) but it really interested me so I applied.
 
Hmm, so this puts me at a disadvantage for the normal program? I don't even know if I'm competitive for CCLCM (3.65/35 with 2 years of research) but it really interested me so I applied.

Nah, the UP will have already decided whether or not they want to give you an interview.👍
 
How competitive is the college program? Is there stats out for # of applicants, interviewed and accepted? I dont have a super large # of research hrs nor any poster/presentation/publication, so i dont know if i should bother apply...
Our stats are lumped in with the overall stats for Case. There aren't separate stats published just for CCLCM.

As for whether you should apply, if you're interested in academic medicine, and you're interested in the program, then you should apply. There is no required number of research hours, and you don't have to have a poster or presentation or publication. That being said, you should have some kind of significant research experience if you're going to apply here. Meaning, you're not just the lab tech who mixes the buffers and pours the media into the agar plates.

There aren't any published stats for just the college program, but here are some things I overheard at state of the college (someone correct me if I'm wrong):

Number of applicants: about 1500.
Number of interviews: about 250.
Average MCAT: 35 (this is the average, not the median like you see in the MSAR; I suspect that the median is higher)
Average GPA: 3.75 (again, the median is probably higher)
1500 applicants is definitely right, but the adcomm interviewed more people last year. It was closer to 300. But I don't think that will happen again this year, and 250 is probably a good estimate. I don't remember what the dean said the average MCAT and GPA were, but what you said sounds believable. Your class is kind of ridiculous that way. 😛

FWIW, I think the adcom cares a lot more about an interest in research than tons of experience doing it well.
I'd agree with that. You need enough research to show an interest and get a sense of what it's like, but no one expects you to come in with a PhD or anything.

Hmm, so this puts me at a disadvantage for the normal program? I don't even know if I'm competitive for CCLCM (3.65/35 with 2 years of research) but it really interested me so I applied.
No, it doesn't put you at a disadvantage for getting invited by the UP, and your stats and research background sound perfectly fine for CCLCM. Good luck!
 
Do you guys know if there is a way to send an update letter specifically to CCLCM?
 
Do you guys know if there is a way to send an update letter specifically to CCLCM?
You mean, like, sending it to the CCLCM admissions office? 😛

Our admissions office is located at the Cleveland Clinic, so it's not even on the same campus as the Case UP admissions office. Go to the CCLCM admissions website and use the contact info there. You can send letters to CCLCM by snail mail, email, fax, maybe even carrier pigeon, although I won't vouch for the timeliness of that last method.
 
Hi,

I'm working on the secondary and was wondering if someone could clarify what they mean by "interpretation of the results with respect to future findings".

Do they want us to comment on how the results may direct future research?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.
 
Yes, I think it means they want you to discuss your results and any plans for further experiments that those results led to. Good luck on your application 👍
 
Another question

Is the question below asking for why I selected particular methods or why I pursued a particular hypothesis?

"Please describe your research experience, including the hypothesis you pursued, the methods selected to answer this hypothesis, and why...."


Thanks.🙂
 
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