2010-2011 Case Western Reserve University Application Thread

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As a side note, how on earth does a river catch on fire?

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As a side note, how on earth does a river catch on fire?

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Years of dumping your post-industrail slurry into the most convenient river. On the upside, we're the reason the EPA was formed...
 
Anyone else get the "your status on iApply has changed" email after saying you wanted to be on the alternate list, only to find that your status on iApply has not, in fact, changed? Haha, this has been one odd and slightly humorous day for med school admissions 🙂
 
I got that too! Talk about be still my beating Heart. Between that and a late in season interview it HAS been a bizarre med school admissions day...
 
I'm having a really hard time selling Cleveland to myself. Do any current students know people who are involved with classical dance or fire performance at Case?

How is the nightlife in Cleveland?

Personally I think life in Cleveland is gonna be pretty great. I don't mind the fact that I can drive eight minutes from campus to the apartment I found on a lovely tree-lined street which also happens to be right on the border of a HUGE park (oh and it's a two bedroom with a dining room and I'll be paying peanuts for it). Not to mention all the farmers markets, at both Cleveland Clinic and UH.

As for dance, I don't know about classical, but I can tell you that Cleveland is home to the world's first physically integrated dance company for people with and without disabilities (Dancing Wheels, you should check them out). Also, how many schools will you find where almost the entire student body is involved in a huge annual dance production?

On that note, do there happen to be any (ex) Irish dancers considering med school in cleveland ?
 
Wish I could go to the CCLCM second look! 😛

Speaking of CCLCM...Does anyone know if there's going to be a waitlist being made any time soon? Last year it seemed like Hold and High Holds were either rejected or put on the waitlist in March.

I sort of hate to be that person...but does anyone have any idea about this?
 
Anyone else get the "your status on iApply has changed" email after saying you wanted to be on the alternate list, only to find that your status on iApply has not, in fact, changed? Haha, this has been one odd and slightly humorous day for med school admissions 🙂

Has anyone's iApply changed that was placed on the alternate list? I never got this email........ I hope that it isn't a sign.
 
So I got the iapply status change email, but no actual status change...I dontknow what that means.
 
Has anyone's iApply changed that was placed on the alternate list? I never got this email........ I hope that it isn't a sign.

Got the email about the change, but nothing actually changed. I did receive the alternate email.
 
When does health insurance coverage begin for incoming students? First day of school or maybe before? Just curious so I can figure out when to leave my job and get interim coverage if needed.
 
When does health insurance coverage begin for incoming students? First day of school or maybe before? Just curious so I can figure out when to leave my job and get interim coverage if needed.

It's supposed to take effect the first day of school. However, as I learned the hard (read: expensive) way, student health may not actually inform Aetna that you are a covered individual for a couple of weeks. Try not to break anything in that interval.
 
It's supposed to take effect the first day of school. However, as I learned the hard (read: expensive) way, student health may not actually inform Aetna that you are a covered individual for a couple of weeks. Try not to break anything in that interval.

What, no professional courtesy?😕 😉
 
It's supposed to take effect the first day of school. However, as I learned the hard (read: expensive) way, student health may not actually inform Aetna that you are a covered individual for a couple of weeks. Try not to break anything in that interval.

Hmmm....guess so no soccer or bball for a few weeks.
 
Hmmm....guess so no soccer or bball for a few weeks.

Hilariously, I did not break my foot playing IM softball that summer, though I'm sure there were many opportunities. No, it was much more mundane. Males are at much lower risk for this mode of injury, unless you're into platform sandals...
 
Hilariously, I did not break my foot playing IM softball that summer, though I'm sure there were many opportunities. No, it was much more mundane. Males are at much lower risk for this mode of injury, unless you're into platform sandals...

I'm intrigued. You're going to have to tell what happened now.
 
Um...Myuu is sort of like two or three PBL cases on trauma all rolled into one... 😀

EDIT: ...In fact, she learns by Personal Based Learning. It is a much more effective, yet painful, way of learning medicine.

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When does health insurance coverage begin for incoming students? First day of school or maybe before? Just curious so I can figure out when to leave my job and get interim coverage if needed.
You're covered from day one of class onwards. Myuu, you DID file that and get reimbursed, right??

If you leave your job, under group coverage, you have the right to continue the same coverage (you just pay more) under COBRA, so don't necessarily go out shopping for insurance just for that interim!
 
Oh, and the points go to Rhesespieces for finding me tonight! 👍👍👍

Welcome to the Cleve, soontobeM1s! 😀
 
Oh, and the points go to Rhesespieces for finding me tonight! 👍👍👍

Welcome to the Cleve, soontobeM1s! 😀


Aw, I haven't found anyone. One guy did mention eggplant, but I'm pretty sure it was unrelated.
 
Oh, and the points go to Rhesespieces for finding me tonight! 👍👍👍

Welcome to the Cleve, soontobeM1s! 😀

After this weekend, I know I'm making the right decision to go to Case!
 
Oh, and the points go to Rhesespieces for finding me tonight! 👍👍👍

Welcome to the Cleve, soontobeM1s! 😀

You were easy to spot! The eggplant necklace was a dead giveaway.

This was definitely an amazing weekend, and I'm pretty much set on going to Case now! Last night really sealed the deal...I met so many great people, most of whom tolerated both my bowling and my dancing. My apologies to the entire crowd at Barroom for the latter. 😳

I'm sure I met a lot of you in person but didn't even realize it! Signe was the only one who called me out on being a SDNer 👍
 
I just returned from the BEST second look event in the country (seriously). Case did an excellent job!!! I'm short of words to describe the weekend. I was already pretty set on going to Case, so I went this weekend just to have fun. It was great meeting prospective classmates and faculty. It was great!!!!!!!!! See u guys in July. 👍😍
 
I just returned from the BEST second look event in the country (seriously). Case did an excellent job!!! I'm short of words to describe the weekend. I was already pretty set on going to Case, so I went this weekend just to have fun. It was great meeting prospective classmates and faculty. It was great!!!!!!!!! See u guys in July. 👍😍
Seconded. I was sold before and am even more sold now!!! I'm glad I got to meet everybody...there were definitely some awesome people there.
 
I was there. And tried the eggplant thing a couple of times and mainly got the 'you're crazy' facial reaction, so I stopped!

Overall had a good weekend. Obviously Case worked very, very hard organizing it and facilitating social interaction to avoid too many of the 'who do i sit next to in the cafeteria on the first day of middle school' moments. Of course, being the awkward, gangly white dude that I am, I have an amazing talent for creating those moments for myself and others :meanie:.

Really an alright crew of people over there in Cleveland, that's for sure, even if I wish I could meet people in a less speed-dating manner.
 
^ It's okay, I'm pretty awkward, too 😛

Rhesus, I'm sad that I missed your dancing, haha. Barroom was a little deafening so I headed back to bowling.

I reeeeeeally wanted to go to Case before this past weekend, but was worried about the cost. I'm still worried about the cost, but the panel discussion was really helpful...quite a few people seem to have turned down significantly-less-expensive state schools in favor of Case, so that makes me feel better.
 
Second look was so amazing. I was about 80% sure about Case before, now I'm 100%. See you all in July! 😀
 
^ It's okay, I'm pretty awkward, too 😛

Rhesus, I'm sad that I missed your dancing, haha. Barroom was a little deafening so I headed back to bowling.

I reeeeeeally wanted to go to Case before this past weekend, but was worried about the cost. I'm still worried about the cost, but the panel discussion was really helpful...quite a few people seem to have turned down significantly-less-expensive state schools in favor of Case, so that makes me feel better.

I feel the same way about the cost too. I'm in the position of going to either my state school or Case but after what I saw this weekend (only the alumni dinner and bowling afterwards) I'm pretty set on Case.
 
^ It's okay, I'm pretty awkward, too 😛

Rhesus, I'm sad that I missed your dancing, haha. Barroom was a little deafening so I headed back to bowling.

I reeeeeeally wanted to go to Case before this past weekend, but was worried about the cost. I'm still worried about the cost, but the panel discussion was really helpful...quite a few people seem to have turned down significantly-less-expensive state schools in favor of Case, so that makes me feel better.

The resident talking about how he'd be paying back $700,000 really sold you, huh? Or is Radiology your new plan? 😉😛
 
The resident talking about how he'd be paying back $700,000 really sold you, huh? Or is Radiology your new plan? 😉😛

Haha...maybe that wasn't so much the selling point...more that there are other people who made that decision so maybe I'm not a total idiot for doing the same.

EDIT: I was mistaken....the state option would probably not be all that much cheaper anyway. Huzzah?
 
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Haha...maybe that wasn't so much the selling point...more that there are other people who made that decision so maybe I'm not a total idiot for doing the same.

EDIT: I was mistaken....the state option would probably not be all that much cheaper anyway. Huzzah?

Remember, you can always just work at a non profit hospital for 10 years and your government debt goes POOF.👍
 
I was there. And tried the eggplant thing a couple of times and mainly got the 'you're crazy' facial reaction, so I stopped!

Of course, being the awkward, gangly white dude that I am, I have an amazing talent for creating those moments for myself and others :meanie:.

Happy for all of you!!! I truly laughed out loud at many of the comments, especially by SoupForYou!! We could definitely hang out and get in trouble together.:meanie:
 
Remember, you can always just work at a non profit hospital for 10 years and your government debt goes POOF.👍

Not likely, this is what most people are thinking with IBR, but I'm guessing when you have attending salary you will no longer qualify for IBR. This means you will then lose the ability to discharge your loans after 10 years. For example, if do 6 years of training after med school, then, assuming you start at 200K salary, you would have to have >200K is student loan debt to continue to qualify. Similarly, if you have a 300K starting salary you need >315K is student loan debt to continue to qualify. Then, over the next 4 years with your newly calculated payments based on your higher income you are likely to pay your way into being ineligible before you reach the full 10 years and therefor will not be eligible for the loan forgiveness.
 
Wow, saw the Seidman Cancer Center will open in June, 10 stories, looks very impressive!!👍
 
Not likely, this is what most people are thinking with IBR, but I'm guessing when you have attending salary you will no longer qualify for IBR. This means you will then lose the ability to discharge your loans after 10 years. For example, if do 6 years of training after med school, then, assuming you start at 200K salary, you would have to have >200K is student loan debt to continue to qualify. Similarly, if you have a 300K starting salary you need >315K is student loan debt to continue to qualify. Then, over the next 4 years with your newly calculated payments based on your higher income you are likely to pay your way into being ineligible before you reach the full 10 years and therefor will not be eligible for the loan forgiveness.

I'm fairly certain they were referring to a loan forgiveness program, not IBR. I may be mistaken, but IBR is where your payments are adjusted according to your income (hence Income Based Repayment), so you pay less in the beginning and more in the end, when you obviously make more and can afford higher payments. This would actually make your debt higher, as you rack up more interest in the beginning.

By committing service years to places like rural or underserved areas or the military you can have percentages of your loans forgiven, which is more less a pay bump haha. I think it's on the order of 5-10% a year?

Even still, you'd have to try very hard to owe $700,000. That's like going to private undergrad and getting two med degrees haha.
 
I'm still worried about the cost, but the panel discussion was really helpful...quite a few people seem to have turned down significantly-less-expensive state schools in favor of Case, so that makes me feel better.
I did just that. It felt a little painful at the time to consider the almost $20k/yr diff in tuition. I would choose it again in a heartbeat. I realized how priceless the environment that I am studying in is. I can't speak beyond year 1, but it's worth it to me without a doubt.

Honestly, continue living modestly for a few years and you can pay it off in reasonable time, even in fam med if I go that route. Hold off on that mercedes and mansion for a little while. 😉 Several physicians I know did just that, and encouraged me that $ shouldn't be much of a determining factor in deciding where to go.


Myself, I am definitely going to do the National Health Service Corps. (It has nothing to do with the military, btw, happily.) Read about it, it's quite fabulous. There are a huge number of places that qualify.

My original plan was/is to work in an underserved area anyhow, so it's bonus.

You MUST work in primary care (IM, peds, fam med, psychiatry, OB, and a couple of others) in an underserved area (TONS of places qualify, even some academic centers - I know one attending at UH who is actually in it!) and they repay your debt at $60 for 2 years, 170k for 5 years, and after year 6, they pay it ALL.

If you go the scholar route, which is a contract ahead of time, they pay EVERYTHING in a 1:1 ratio med school year to year served. 4 yrs, done. But it's a consideration that you must commit to primary care NOW, since if you default, you pay it back in triplicate. No joke.

Important note: NEVER roll your education loans in together with ANY other loans (like car, mortgage, personal loans, etc). Otherwise they won't pay back a cent of it.

Additionally, there are actually agreements that physician groups sometimes strike with hospitals where the hospital pays off a portion of your student debt.

And there are programs that keep your payments manageable for X years, then forgive the rest. That may be what JD was referring to. But that is not the only program available.
 
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Btw, modest is a relative term. Consider your budget right now on student loans (which btw the living expenses is pretty standard country-wide, depending on area, but it's proportional), and then consider what your starting salary will be. An order of magnitude, almost. You can easily manage putting half your salary into loan repayment for several years and live quite a nice plushy life.
 
Thanks for the thoughts and info, Auriga 🙂 I'm definitely going to consider the NHSC, since I'm interested in family med right now (though not certain enough to commit, for sure).

I currently have a pretty frugal lifestyle and I'm usually able to throw about half of my take-home pay into my savings each month....so I'm not too concerned about suddenly developing a lavish lifestyle once I start making real money.

Anyway, <3 Case. Money shmoney.
 
Not likely, this is what most people are thinking with IBR, but I'm guessing when you have attending salary you will no longer qualify for IBR. This means you will then lose the ability to discharge your loans after 10 years. For example, if do 6 years of training after med school, then, assuming you start at 200K salary, you would have to have >200K is student loan debt to continue to qualify. Similarly, if you have a 300K starting salary you need >315K is student loan debt to continue to qualify. Then, over the next 4 years with your newly calculated payments based on your higher income you are likely to pay your way into being ineligible before you reach the full 10 years and therefor will not be eligible for the loan forgiveness.

I'm fairly certain they were referring to a loan forgiveness program, not IBR. I may be mistaken, but IBR is where your payments are adjusted according to your income (hence Income Based Repayment), so you pay less in the beginning and more in the end, when you obviously make more and can afford higher payments. This would actually make your debt higher, as you rack up more interest in the beginning.

By committing service years to places like rural or underserved areas or the military you can have percentages of your loans forgiven, which is more less a pay bump haha. I think it's on the order of 5-10% a year?

Even still, you'd have to try very hard to owe $700,000. That's like going to private undergrad and getting two med degrees haha.

Acoustic is correct. If you work 10 years in a non-profit, you'll get your remaining debt forgiven at the end of that time. People choose to do IBR because it's the lowest payments initially so the greatest debt is forgiven at the end of 10 years. And $700,000 isn't that ridiculous of an amount. If you borrowed $250,000 for med school (the full COA $60K+ each year), the total amount you'd pay back with IBR is about 3x the original principal, or $750K.

Pretty much all academic practices are considered non-profits (basically if your hospital sees uninsured patients, it is considered a non-profit). This method is most useful if you have a large amount of debt.
 
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