2010-2011 University of Iowa (Carver) Application Thread

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I'm not a medical student, but I am a public health student at the University of Iowa and I work on an inpatient unit at the hospital.

In my unit the m3/m4s actually get involved. They talk to patients, families, nurses, and get to do some procedures.

As for Iowa City, honestly I don't get out that much because of work. But I hang out with some of the other students in the program and we go to bars, sports clubs, restaurants. There are a couple home-ec/pottery places that are fun, the Englert theatre, shows at Hancher. In the summer there are live bands downtown and in Coralville. And throughout the year there are always plenty of events put on my the university student government, the medical school communities, and other health programs.
 
Does anyone has an idea on how many are in the Final Pool and how many will be accepted out of it based on current or historical data ? . I am OOS with gpa>3.8 and mcat=32, assuming everything else being on an average, what is the chance to be selected from the pool ? Would appreciate any input.

It has been so quiet here, let's see if this could break it.
 
From what I heard on the interview day it sounded like they accept around three times more OOS applicants than the number of OOS who matriculate, or somewhere around 120 to 150, out of a total of around 600 interviewed. It seems the odds of getting accepted from OOS are roughly 20-25% if you get the interview. As for the final pool it is difficult to speculate, I was a late interview and I think everyone from the latest interview dates is put in the final pool, no rejections are given as far as I know. I think people are rejected post-interview earlier on in the process, and if that is correct being in the final pool early on would be statistically advantageous over late comers to the pool, because we have no idea who would normally have been rejected.
I do think it would be very difficult to assess your chances based on MCAT and GPA alone, admission committees often value extracurriculars equally highly, and the process is often very subjective. What one committee member thinks is important may seem less important to another. There is a good deal of chance involved so I find speculation to be of limited utility.
I don't have all the statistics but maybe someone can give you more concrete figures about final pool acceptance rates and makeup, I would certainly like to know as well.
 
Judging by his MDApps profile it was a pre-interview rejection. March is getting eerily closer and closer...
 
I was wondering if there were any current Carver students reading this thread, and willing to share their perspective. You can't gleam everything from an interview day and the CCOM's website.

I'd be open to any information about your perception of your school, but some ideas for starters:

  • How receptive have you felt the administration is to fixing problems?
  • How would you describe your class (e.g. the M2 class) to your parents?
  • Did the structured curriculum in M1/M2 leave you sufficient time to learn on your own independently?
  • What is your opinion of the clinical years - esp. the 3rd year curriculum? Are you pleased with how rotations are structured and graded? What is your impression of the role of M3/M4s on the wards - interaction, or just shadowing and scut work?
  • How helpful is the school in the residency application process? How does the school collect info for the dean's letter? Do you feel the school does a good job in exposing you to all the specialties out there?
  • Have you felt the methods of assessment to be fair and helpful in your learning (i.e. tiered instead of Pass/Fail)?
  • What do you and your classmates do to relax in Iowa City?
Appreciate anything you'd be willing to share. Thanks very much!

I'm not a current medical student at CCOM, but living with M1s/M3 and dating a M2, I can give ya my perspective of your questions.

[How receptive have you felt the administration is to fixing problems?] I know the administration and faculty are very responsive to the students' inputs, as they adjust their lectures/small groups discussions/etc within the school year. Two main examples are: 1) The current M2s did not like the presentation of materials by one of their professors and made a comment about it, and was changed to a much more accommodating method for the following semester. 2) The current M1s are the first class of students REQUIRED to buy the issued laptop by CCOM and the feedback from this since the first semester has been its a waste of money for mediocre technology. The administration have already discussed (and pretty sure according to Barbara) that they will not require the incoming M1's (2015) to buy this laptop. This really shows you that CCOM are both very responsive to the students AND willing to try new things to consistently make this a top program in the nation.

[How would you describe your class (e.g. the M2 class) to your parents?]I personally think that the M2 class is a lot more sociable than the current M1 class. This could be either the personality of the individuals or just adjusting to the stress levels, but from what I've seen every class is very laid back and easy going and always there to help each other out. Of course there are people that may not always fit this profile but majority of the students that I've met have been amazing. If I had to describe the M1 and M2 class, M😀etermined bright-eyed students, M2: Intelligent and outgoing.

[Did the structured curriculum in M1/M2 leave you sufficient time to learn on your own independently?] I'm not sure what you mean by learning independently, but they do have leisure time (mostly spent taking a break or sleeping 😀 ) but I know that they do spend a lot of time after class going over lectures and materials.

[What is your opinion of the clinical years - esp. the 3rd year curriculum? Are you pleased with how rotations are structured and graded? What is your impression of the role of M3/M4s on the wards - interaction, or just shadowing and scut work?] I actually just shadowed Dr. Iannettoni (Head Cardiothoracic Surgeon) in the OR today and chatted with a M3 who is on her anesthesiology rotation (2 week rotation). From her input it seemed like both the Staff, Senior, and Junior residents are very helpful in teaching and showing you the ropes in that specific field to really give you a sense of what its like to be a Doctor in that residency/specialty. She did talk about the selection of specialties for rotation order can be a hit-or-miss, but thats still a ways down the road. We both were able to scrub in and observe from the head of the operating table (where the head surgeon) throughout the surgery. Also the environment of the OR was very professional and laid back, where the head surgeons not only ask the residents questions but is willing to interact with the medical students or shadowees (aka me, who is not even an official M1 at CCOM yet) and ask them questions and teach them about the patient/surgical procedure/analysis of the MRI. I really enjoyed this experience this morning. 😀

[How helpful is the school in the residency application process? How does the school collect info for the dean's letter? Do you feel the school does a good job in exposing you to all the specialties out there?] As far as matching, my previous roommate was able to match at U.Pitt for GI Surgery and his fiancée matched as Peds Neuro at Vanderbilt. I'm not sure how much help they received but they both got their #1 picks of residency programs. Here is a link to Iowa's Match Results: http://www.medicine.uiowa.edu/osac/MatchResults.html
I asked CCOM about why the students favor to match at Iowa/instate and the following factors are as follows (in no particular order). 1) Family 2) Lifestyle 3) High ranked Residency Program 4) Demography of patients and diseases.

[Have you felt the methods of assessment to be fair and helpful in your learning (i.e. tiered instead of Pass/Fail)?] From what I've heard from the students after exams (they get their grades a couple hours after the test since its computer based), the grading seems to be fair in that you will definitely need to study for your exams (duh! we're gonna be doctors and dealing with people's lives) and they don't try to screw you over with trick questions. The exam topics are pretty straight forward and there is Honors Pass, Pass, and Fail grading which really allows the students to work together to ensure that anyone struggling will receive the help and support necessary to pass the class. Something that I hear every once in a while from the students after an exam is... "P = MD" 🙂

[What do you and your classmates do to relax in Iowa City?] Although there Iowa City isn't a huge town or big city, the medical community creates and hosts a lot of events that allow you to fill your weekends and weekdays with extracurricular activities! For example, this coming weekend is Winter Wilderness Medicine Race, where medical students form teams made up of M1-M4s and go out to the Lake McBride and run a race while utilizing survival kits and skills. The following week the McCowen Learning Community is sponsoring DVIP Bench Press (Domestic Violence Intervention Program) this event is a campus-wide weight-lifting competition. Participants compete to see who can bench the highest percentage of their own body weight, and who can bench the most reps. Last year, over 125 people from the CCOM community participated, over 410,000 pounds were lifted, and over $3000 were raised for Iowa City's Domestic Violence Intervention Program (DVIP). These types of events really creates a unified feeling between classmates and the medical community. Also people find their niches and have a closer group of friends that have Game Nights at people's homes, Tailgating for football, Make your own Pizza party, Wing Night at BWWs, and all sorts of themes hosted by the classmates. It's really up to your class/friends to decide if you guys want to spend the weekend together having fun or spend some quiet time studying. Also there definitely are local things that are always something to look forward to Comedy Night at the Englert Theater (Improv), Intramural sports, Fired-Up, Lake Mcbride, Bars, etc.

I hope this helps! Sorry its such a long response but I wanted to give you a thorough answer to each of your questions! 🙂
 
Icacer, wow, I didn't even ask those questions but I want to thank you for the response. Very informative!!!
 
I'm not a current medical student at CCOM, but living with M1s/M3 and dating a M2, I can give ya my perspective of your questions.

[How receptive have you felt the administration is to fixing problems?] I know the administration and faculty are very responsive to the students' inputs, as they adjust their lectures/small groups discussions/etc within the school year. Two main examples are: 1) The current M2s did not like the presentation of materials by one of their professors and made a comment about it, and was changed to a much more accommodating method for the following semester. 2) The current M1s are the first class of students REQUIRED to buy the issued laptop by CCOM and the feedback from this since the first semester has been its a waste of money for mediocre technology. The administration have already discussed (and pretty sure according to Barbara) that they will not require the incoming M1's (2015) to buy this laptop. This really shows you that CCOM are both very responsive to the students AND willing to try new things to consistently make this a top program in the nation.

[How would you describe your class (e.g. the M2 class) to your parents?]I personally think that the M2 class is a lot more sociable than the current M1 class. This could be either the personality of the individuals or just adjusting to the stress levels, but from what I've seen every class is very laid back and easy going and always there to help each other out. Of course there are people that may not always fit this profile but majority of the students that I've met have been amazing. If I had to describe the M1 and M2 class, M😀etermined bright-eyed students, M2: Intelligent and outgoing.

[Did the structured curriculum in M1/M2 leave you sufficient time to learn on your own independently?] I'm not sure what you mean by learning independently, but they do have leisure time (mostly spent taking a break or sleeping 😀 ) but I know that they do spend a lot of time after class going over lectures and materials.

[What is your opinion of the clinical years - esp. the 3rd year curriculum? Are you pleased with how rotations are structured and graded? What is your impression of the role of M3/M4s on the wards - interaction, or just shadowing and scut work?] I actually just shadowed Dr. Iannettoni (Head Cardiothoracic Surgeon) in the OR today and chatted with a M3 who is on her anesthesiology rotation (2 week rotation). From her input it seemed like both the Staff, Senior, and Junior residents are very helpful in teaching and showing you the ropes in that specific field to really give you a sense of what its like to be a Doctor in that residency/specialty. She did talk about the selection of specialties for rotation order can be a hit-or-miss, but thats still a ways down the road. We both were able to scrub in and observe from the head of the operating table (where the head surgeon) throughout the surgery. Also the environment of the OR was very professional and laid back, where the head surgeons not only ask the residents questions but is willing to interact with the medical students or shadowees (aka me, who is not even an official M1 at CCOM yet) and ask them questions and teach them about the patient/surgical procedure/analysis of the MRI. I really enjoyed this experience this morning. 😀

[How helpful is the school in the residency application process? How does the school collect info for the dean's letter? Do you feel the school does a good job in exposing you to all the specialties out there?] As far as matching, my previous roommate was able to match at U.Pitt for GI Surgery and his fiancée matched as Peds Neuro at Vanderbilt. I'm not sure how much help they received but they both got their #1 picks of residency programs. Here is a link to Iowa's Match Results: http://www.medicine.uiowa.edu/osac/MatchResults.html
I asked CCOM about why the students favor to match at Iowa/instate and the following factors are as follows (in no particular order). 1) Family 2) Lifestyle 3) High ranked Residency Program 4) Demography of patients and diseases.

[Have you felt the methods of assessment to be fair and helpful in your learning (i.e. tiered instead of Pass/Fail)?] From what I've heard from the students after exams (they get their grades a couple hours after the test since its computer based), the grading seems to be fair in that you will definitely need to study for your exams (duh! we're gonna be doctors and dealing with people's lives) and they don't try to screw you over with trick questions. The exam topics are pretty straight forward and there is Honors Pass, Pass, and Fail grading which really allows the students to work together to ensure that anyone struggling will receive the help and support necessary to pass the class. Something that I hear every once in a while from the students after an exam is... "P = MD" 🙂

[What do you and your classmates do to relax in Iowa City?] Although there Iowa City isn't a huge town or big city, the medical community creates and hosts a lot of events that allow you to fill your weekends and weekdays with extracurricular activities! For example, this coming weekend is Winter Wilderness Medicine Race, where medical students form teams made up of M1-M4s and go out to the Lake McBride and run a race while utilizing survival kits and skills. The following week the McCowen Learning Community is sponsoring DVIP Bench Press (Domestic Violence Intervention Program) this event is a campus-wide weight-lifting competition. Participants compete to see who can bench the highest percentage of their own body weight, and who can bench the most reps. Last year, over 125 people from the CCOM community participated, over 410,000 pounds were lifted, and over $3000 were raised for Iowa City's Domestic Violence Intervention Program (DVIP). These types of events really creates a unified feeling between classmates and the medical community. Also people find their niches and have a closer group of friends that have Game Nights at people's homes, Tailgating for football, Make your own Pizza party, Wing Night at BWWs, and all sorts of themes hosted by the classmates. It's really up to your class/friends to decide if you guys want to spend the weekend together having fun or spend some quiet time studying. Also there definitely are local things that are always something to look forward to Comedy Night at the Englert Theater (Improv), Intramural sports, Fired-Up, Lake Mcbride, Bars, etc.

I hope this helps! Sorry its such a long response but I wanted to give you a thorough answer to each of your questions! 🙂

Lovely response, thanks so much for taking the time. It's hard to get a complete picture with which to make a decision, so I'm very grateful for the perspective. I got a really good vibe on my interview day.
 
For those interested, here are some details from the ICON Pre-M1 communications website about the PowerUp laptop program you may have heard about on your interview day. Not that a laptop should sway your decision on whether or not to attend a particular med school, but for those of you who were curious if they would change the requirements (or simply do away with the program) here are the details:

You may either use your current laptop as long as it meets the following base requirements:

Windows Requirements:
Windows XP SP3 operating system
1 GB RAM
Intel Core 2 Duo processor
20 GB free disk space
10/100/1000 ethernet
13"-15" screen
Headphones or Earphones capable

Mac Requirements:
Mac OS 10.5.8 operating system
1 GB RAM
Intel Core 2 Duo processor
20 GB free disk space
10/100/1000 ethernet
13"-15" screen
Headphones or Earphones capable

...or you may use the $1500 stipend (part of your M1 books and supplies money) to purchase a new laptop with the following minimum requirements:

Windows Requirements:
Windows 7 operating system
2-4 GB RAM
Intel Core 2 Duo processor
40 GB free disk space
DVD +/- RW Dual Layer drive
Any wireless card that supports 802.11 g/n protocols and WPA2
10/100/1000 ethernet
13"-15" screen
Headphones or Earphones capable
Webcam and internal microphone
4-year service contract/warranty
Lost/stolen coverage (i.e. LoJack)

Mac Requirements:
Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard
2-4 GB RAM
Intel Core 2 Duo processor
40 GB free disk space
Super Drive
Apple Airport
10/100/1000 ethernet
13"-15" screen
Headphones or Earphones capable
Webcam and internal microphone
4-year service contract/warranty
Lost/stolen coverage (i.e. LoJack)

As soon as I was admitted (this was my top choice) I wrote an email to the PowerUp laptop people inquiring about a Mac option for the following year and they said they had been getting a lot of feeback along those lines from current M1's and incoming students... and apparently they listened! I confess I feel slightly less apprehensive about what awaits me next year knowing I won't have to figure out how to operate a PC along with keeping up with my classes.

Hope that helped those of you wondering about the state of CCOM's PowerUp laptop program!
 
Does anyone know if we are able to apply for financial aid even before we are accepted, or whether we're supposed to wait till after?
 
You should apply for financial aid for any of the schools for which you are still in the running. It's best to apply as soon as possible because the awards tend to be better earlier in the application season.
 
It's March!! Is anyone else as excited/nervous/anxious/worried/impatient as I am? 🙂

Only a few more weeks til we all know.
 
It's March!! Is anyone else as excited/nervous/anxious/worried/impatient as I am? 🙂

Only a few more weeks til we all know.

awwwww yeahhhhh. march madness!!! that's what we're talking about, right? Yea, I'm ready to hear some news from Iowa City.
 
awwwww yeahhhhh. march madness!!! that's what we're talking about, right? Yea, I'm ready to hear some news from Iowa City.

Is March 18th definitely the day we (final-poolers) all hear back, or could we hear before that? Do we all hear at once? Incredibly impatient as well... 🙂
 
It's March!! Is anyone else as excited/nervous/anxious/worried/impatient as I am? 🙂

Only a few more weeks til we all know.

Oh my god I can't wait. It really wasn't bothering me until March because I decided it was too far away to think about, but now that it's March it's like come on already!!

Does anyone know if we get an email before we get the letter in the mail? I'm trying to decide if I should stalk my email or my postal mail the most 🙂
 
Is March 18th definitely the day we (final-poolers) all hear back, or could we hear before that? Do we all hear at once? Incredibly impatient as well... 🙂

I heard from people who applied last year that they send them all out at once, and that they do wait until the last possible day to tell you.

Doesn't keep me from stalking my email/mail though 🙂
 
by looking at last year's thread, some people got a letter in the mail before they got the emails. big, thick letter = good news
 
by looking at last year's thread, some people got a letter in the mail before they got the emails. big, thick letter = good news

Yes, it looks like letters are mailed ~10 days prior to the deadline they set for the final pool. I would guess that letters will be mailed early next week, and if they send out emails like they did last year, those will be towards the end of next week.
 
Anxiously awaiting news.. just like everyone in the pool. I wanted to piggy back the comment about the "thick envelope", last year received my regret via snail mail on 15 March (I live in central Iowa). I could tell as soon as I picked it up that there was only a single sheet of paper inside (which was likely not good). Sure enough, a photocopied regret letter awaited me 🙁.

Here's hoping the extra volunteering/shadowing/classes help out for this year. Good luck to everyone... the wait is nearly over, thank God!
 
Word on the street is that the last ad com meeting is scheduled for next Tuesday. Hopefully they crank out the good news shortly there after.
 
Big sigh. Thanks for all the info! BEST luck to you all! 🙂
 
I'm In the final pool... today my wife was on the phone with the bank conducting some usual business and just as she was ready to hang up, the rep stopped her and out of the blue asked if we were thinking of selling our home in the next 6 months? (I'm a non-traditional student and have been living here for years, the bank does not know I've applied to med school)...she laughed and said we have no idea... but we would probably know for sure in about 10 days.

I think its a sign👍 (i'm looking for anything to stay optomistic at this point)
 
Just looked over last year's communications from UI. The email telling me I had been moved to the final pool said:
"…This review begins in late January and takes approximately 5 weeks to complete (around mid-March but no later than March 20, 2010)"
The snail mail letter arrived on 11 March 2010 and the letter inside was dated 9 March.

This year's final pool email says:
"…This review begins in late January and takes approximately 5 weeks to complete (around mid-March but no later than March 18, 2011)"
If they follow similar lead times, they would be printing letters today (maybe tomorrow) and mailing.
 
Just looked over last year's communications from UI. The email telling me I had been moved to the final pool said:
"…This review begins in late January and takes approximately 5 weeks to complete (around mid-March but no later than March 20, 2010)"
The snail mail letter arrived on 11 March 2010 and the letter inside was dated 9 March.

This year's final pool email says:
"…This review begins in late January and takes approximately 5 weeks to complete (around mid-March but no later than March 18, 2011)"
If they follow similar lead times, they would be printing letters today (maybe tomorrow) and mailing.

If I remember correctly, I think I saw some posts from last year's thread (carver thread)saying it had been almost always the second Tuesday of March when the committee sent out emails to the accepted people/snail mails to the rejected.

I could be totally wrong, and confused with some other threads 😉
 
Just looked over last year's communications from UI. The email telling me I had been moved to the final pool said:
"…This review begins in late January and takes approximately 5 weeks to complete (around mid-March but no later than March 20, 2010)"
The snail mail letter arrived on 11 March 2010 and the letter inside was dated 9 March.

This year's final pool email says:
"…This review begins in late January and takes approximately 5 weeks to complete (around mid-March but no later than March 18, 2011)"
If they follow similar lead times, they would be printing letters today (maybe tomorrow) and mailing.

Am I the only one who didn't receive a final pool email? I interviewed in September and have had no correspondence since.....
 
Am I the only one who didn't receive a final pool email? I interviewed in September and have had no correspondence since.....

Well, if you didn't receive a final pool email, you might have been accepted. It's possible that the acceptance email went to your spam folder, but I would think you would have received confirmation via usps mail. Nobody has been rejected post interview yet, I believe, so you should probably give the admissions office a call.
 
Well, if you didn't receive a final pool email, you might have been accepted. It's possible that the acceptance email went to your spam folder, but I would think you would have received confirmation via usps mail. Nobody has been rejected post interview yet, I believe, so you should probably give the admissions office a call.

Thanks for the advice MB. I hope you get in man. Your stats should have gotten you an early acceptance.
 
Am I the only one who didn't receive a final pool email? I interviewed in September and have had no correspondence since.....

I never received an email either, but I ended up calling the admissions office to check my status. The woman I spoke with said that I was placed in the final pool. At this point, if you interviewed and have not been accepted yet, then you are in the final pool. No post-interview rejections have been made.
 
Thanks for the advice MB. I hope you get in man. Your stats should have gotten you an early acceptance.

Hey, thanks. I wish the admissions committee felt the same way, but we'll see how the next week turns out. Good luck to you and everyone else still waiting.:xf:
 
Well, based on years past, it looks like this week could maybe be the week! Good luck to everyone!!!:luck::luck::luck:

I'm rooting for all of you!
 
Just got an e-mail - nearly had a heart attack, but it just says that a decision has been made and will be mailed O_____O Anyone else get this?
 
Just got an email saying a final decision was made on my application and to wait for a letter in the mail. Does anyone know if this is good or bad, one way or the other?😕 Gave me a sick feeling!
 
Just got an email that says basically... "The final decision has been made and is being mailed to you". 😱

It also says to wait for the letter and that they will not give out info over the phone or via email:scared:. Does anyone know if this is good or bad??
 
Well, based on years past, it looks like this week could maybe be the week! Good luck to everyone!!!:luck::luck::luck:

I'm rooting for all of you!

I think final decision has been made to everyone... hope it's good news....:xf: I got an email a minute ago.... good luck to you all...
 
LOL med67633 and BaM74, we were hilariously fast and synchronized :laugh:

I guess we wait to see if anyone receives an e-mailed acceptance...if not, then we really will have to wait for the snail mail ><
 
I just got the same email.

My hands are still shaking. This is cruel.
 
hmmm... do you think peoplel are watching their email! haha. I agree with you NYC8683DD... my hands were shaking as I read the whole email in like 2 seconds... then realized.. I STILL DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER lol.
 
Yeah I just got the same email. Guess I'll be waiting for the mailman for the next few days...:scared:
 
Agghh, rereading the email....did they really have to word it that way?? Haha. "We appreciate your interest in the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine, and hope your interactions with us throughout the process have been positive."

They WERE positive until this aggravatingly hope/fear/anxiety-inducing email!!
 
Does everyone's say "final" decision? Wanted to check because Drexel distinguishes accept/reject with "final" decision and waitlist with "a decision"...
 
hmmm... do you think peoplel are watching their email! haha. I agree with you NYC8683DD... my hands were shaking as I read the whole email in like 2 seconds... then realized.. I STILL DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER lol.


Haha, cruel indeed! The tone of the email just didn't set well with me. Here's to the good old postal service! Good luck everyone!
 
Screw you, Iowa. Do I think the process has been positive? NO! This email is nothing but cruel and unusual punishment.
 
Mine says "final"...:scared:

Okay, thanks! I'm guessing everyone's does actually, and I'm just overthinking things (again)! 😳

Here's to camping out by the mailbox/stalking the mailman for the rest of this week! :xf:
 
Is there anyone out there that was in the final pool and did NOT get this email?

I'm not sure why they did this, I'm certain they didn't do it to deliberately inflict pain on us. My guess is, it was an attempt to update us on the status. They have repeatedly said they will update (usually within minutes) with any news they can. I believe they are well aware of the hundreds of us that are waiting for ANY scrap of info lol. I've always had very favorable interactions with them. That being said... I'm about to pull my hair out!
 
Is there anyone out there that was in the final pool and did NOT get this email?

I'm not sure why they did this, I'm certain they didn't do it to deliberately inflict pain on us. My guess is, it was an attempt to update us on the status. They have repeatedly said they will update (usually within minutes) with any news they can. I believe they are well aware of the hundreds of us that are waiting for ANY scrap of info lol. I've always had very favorable interactions with them. That being said... I'm about to pull my hair out!

I agree, and it goes both ways, too. I'm guessing sending out this e-mail could potentially trim down the number of calls they're getting each day. I'm still shaking all over though :scared:
 
I just got this e-mail and raced over here to see what everyone else's said. Stomach doing jumping jacks. For being informational, the tone of this letter seemed remarkably negative. Ughhhrhhghhghhh.
 
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