2011-2012 Dartmouth Application Thread

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... this wait-list seems gigantic if you think about how many people are probably wait-listed and don't post ... 🙁
 
Waitlisted this morning also. Like the school but thankfully have a couple of good acceptances to choose between.
 
The waitlist must be rather big if so many SDNers are in it and knowing this forum represents a small number of the applicant pool.

Also, the waitlist letter (.pdf attached) said that applicants are unranked, so I don't know why some are suggesting that the later you are added to it the more likely you are to receive an acceptance.
 
The theory was developed apriori receipt of le PDF. Nonetheless, at the interview they mentioned we would be assigned a score, which determines acceptance, waitlist, or rejection. Does this score disappear once we are on the waitlist?
 
The theory was developed apriori receipt of le PDF. Nonetheless, at the interview they mentioned we would be assigned a score, which determines acceptance, waitlist, or rejection. Does this score disappear once we are on the waitlist?

I think the score disappears (or may change). I asked about this during the interview day and he said they review the waitlisted students all over again with updates etc. good luck!
 
For those who hasn't heard anything from them. I strongly suggest sending update letters!
 
Do we have any guess at when they meet to re-review? (obviously no acceptances actually go out until May 15th) I have a friend who REALLY REALLY wants to come to DMS.
 
Do we have any guess at when they meet to re-review? (obviously no acceptances actually go out until May 15th) I have a friend who REALLY REALLY wants to come to DMS.

When spots become open they meet pretty quickly to fill them. Most of the movement is pretty soon after May 15 but one of the guys in my class got in off the waitlist on the first day of orientation, so there's sometimes a slow trickle from June to August.
 
We just got this announcement. (And no, I'm pretty sure it's not an April Fools joke.)

DMS Dean said:
Dear Colleagues:

I wanted to share with you the exciting news that today we will announce to the world the naming of our medical school as the Audrey and Theodor Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth (http://geiselmed.dartmouth.edu – this URL will go live at 8:30AM) This is a significant moment in Dartmouth's history and provides great momentum toward our medical school's 20 X 20 plan for excellence.

Our faculty, staff, alumni and students are making a real difference in the lives of the people we serve. This naming of our medical school is further recognition that we're indeed "up to some good." Thank you for everything you do each and every day to make Dartmouth and the Geisel School of Medicine great.

To learn more, please see the news release below, which is being sent to media this morning.

Chip

Chip Souba, MD, ScD, MBA
Dean, Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth
VP for Health Affairs, Dartmouth College

Chair said:
To the Dartmouth community:

We are honored today to announce that our medical school has a new name: The
Audrey and Theodor Geisel School of Medicine. Please read and enjoy the
enclosed announcement about this great Dartmouth family and the fourth-oldest
medical school in the nation that will now bear the Geisel name. This is an
exciting moment in Dartmouth's history.

Sincerely,

Steve Mandel '78
Chair, Dartmouth Board of Trustees

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Dartmouth Names Medical School in Honor of Audrey and Theodor Geisel

Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth is fourth-oldest medical school in the
U.S.

Dartmouth College announced today the naming of its medical school, founded in
1797, in honor of Audrey and Theodor Geisel. Their generosity to Dartmouth
during their lifetimes and through their estate plan renders the Geisel family
the most significant philanthropist to Dartmouth in its history. Theodor
"Ted" Geisel, known worldwide as the author and illustrator, "Dr.
Seuss," was a Dartmouth graduate of the Class of 1925.

"Naming our school of medicine in honor of Audrey and Ted Geisel is a tribute
to two individuals whose work continues to change the world for the better,"
said Dartmouth President Jim Yong Kim. "Ted Geisel lived out the Dartmouth
ethos of thinking differently and creatively to illuminate the world's
challenges and the opportunities for understanding and surmounting them. His
vivid storytelling--with its whimsical imagery, fanciful phrasing, and deeper
meaning--lives on and raises children's literacy around the world to new
heights by entertaining, amusing, and educating. Audrey and Ted Geisel have
cared deeply for this institution, and we are enormously proud to announce this
lasting partnership."

"Ted and Audrey Geisel's work and life serve as a timeless example for our
future physicians at the Geisel School of Medicine," said Wiley "Chip"
Souba, vice president for health affairs and dean of the medical school. "We
teach our students to be compassionate, to pursue new knowledge that benefits
their patients, and to have the courage and humility to make a profound
difference in the lives of others."

"Ted would be proud to have his name forever connected to one of America's
finest schools of medicine ... a school that's doing much good in the
world," said Audrey Geisel, who was married to Ted from 1968 until his death
in 1991. "Given my background as a nurse, this moving gesture on the part of
Dartmouth joins Ted's great love of his alma mater and my passion of caring
for others through the practice of medicine."

Naming of The Audrey and Theodor Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth will
amplify support for medical students as they progress on the path to becoming
physicians and scientists and accelerate the research aspirations of faculty.
The exceptional benefaction of the Geisel family will support Dartmouth's
goal of becoming one of the top medical schools in the world for preparing
physician leaders who will tackle the increasingly complex undertaking of
transforming health care.

The Geisel family and origins of Dr. Seuss

Ted Geisel was born March 2, 1904, in Springfield, Mass. As Dr. Seuss, he
authored and illustrated more than 50 children's books that have been
translated into more than 20 languages. He won a Pulitzer Prize, three Academy
Awards, two Emmys, and two Peabody Awards for his literary creations. He
published his first children's book, "And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry
Street," in 1937, and went on to pen many well-known classics, including, "The
Cat in the Hat," "How the Grinch Stole Christmas!," "Horton Hears a Who!," "The
Lorax," "The Sneetches," and "Green Eggs and Ham." "You're Only Old Once!," a
book for readers over 50, follows its character through a series of medical
check-ups and the process of being "properly pilled" and "properly
billed."

It was at Dartmouth that Ted Geisel "discovered the excitement of
'marrying' words to pictures," he said in a 1975 interview with the
"Dartmouth Alumni Magazine." "I began to get it through my skull that words
and pictures were Yin and Yang. I began thinking that words and pictures,
married, might possibly produce a progeny more interesting than either
parent."

As a student, he wrote for and eventually became the editor-in-chief of
Dartmouth's humor magazine, "The Jack-O-Lantern". On April 11 of his senior
year, Geisel organized a party for the The Jack-O-Lantern staff to celebrate
the spectacular success that the humor magazine enjoyed during his tenure as
editor. Geisel and company's revelry was not well received by the dean, and
Geisel was told to resign from all extracurricular activities at Dartmouth,
including the college humor magazine.

In order to continue work on the Jack-O-Lantern without the administration's
knowledge, Geisel began signing his work for the first time with the pen name
"Seuss."

In addition to his celebrated children's books and productions, Geisel also
worked as a political cartoonist, as an illustrator for advertising campaigns,
and in the animation department of the U.S. Army during World War II. His
prolific writing continued throughout his life. He wrote "Oh, the Places
You'll Go!" when he was 86 years old, and was working on scripts for a movie
version the week before his death at age 87 in 1991. His birthday of March 2 is
now aptly recognized as National Read Across America Day in the United States.

In 2010, Dartmouth English Professor Donald Pease published his biography of
Ted Geisel, called "Theodor SEUSS Geisel." Audrey Geisel said Pease's book
"got Ted better than anyone."

Audrey Geisel was born in Chicago and grew up around New York City. She
followed her mother's professional path and became a nurse, working at
Cambridge City Hospital in Massachusetts, among other hospitals.

Audrey has two daughters: Lark Grey Dimond-Cates is a sculptor in California.
She created the 22 bronze sculptures that compose The Dr. Seuss National
Memorial Garden in Springfield, Mass., and also was commissioned by Dartmouth
to create a Dr. Seuss-themed bas relief for the Theodor Seuss Geisel 1925 Room
at Dartmouth's Baker-Berry Library. Another daughter, Lea Dimond, lives in
California and owns a children's bookstore in San Francisco called Thidwick
Books. Thidwick, the big-hearted moose, is a Seuss character.

The recipient of an honorary degree from Dartmouth in 2000, Audrey Geisel
serves as president of Dr. Seuss Enterprises and oversees the management of Dr.
Seuss-licensed characters. She was the executive producer alongside Christopher
Meledandri, a 1981 Dartmouth graduate, on 20th Century Fox Animation's
adaptation of "Horton Hears a Who!" in 2008, and has supported the creation of
the new PBS animated series "The Cat in the Hat Knows A lot About That!" Audrey
Geisel worked with Random House in 2011 to publish "The Bippolo Seed and Other
Lost Stories," which assembled seven "lost" Dr. Seuss stories originally
published in the early 1950s. The publisher referred to the book as "the
literary equivalent of buried treasure." Audrey and Meledandri joined forces
again to produce "The Lorax," an animated 3-D movie that premiered March 2,
2012.

A longtime resident of La Jolla, Calif., Audrey is deeply involved in numerous
charities and organizations in the San Diego area, including the University of
California at San Diego, the San Diego Council on Literacy, National Center for
Family Literacy, La Jolla Playhouse, Old Globe Theatres, San Diego Zoological
Society, United Through Reading, and many others. She was recently awarded the
prestigious UC San Diego Chancellor's Medal, and was also recently honored by
"San Diego Business Journal" with the "Women Who Mean Business" Lifetime
Achievement Award.

"When I had the pleasure of conferring an honorary degree on Audrey Geisel, I
spoke of her effective stewardship over the Seuss legacy and of the munificence
of her actions in support of education, literacy programs, and health care,"
said President Emeritus James Wright. "The naming of our Medical School for
Ted and Audrey is a dream we have long shared, and I'm honored to join today
in saluting the Geisels."

The Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth

The Audrey and Theodor Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth strives to
improve the lives of the people it serves--students, patients, and local and
global communities--and to live out the Dartmouth ethos that "the world's
troubles are your troubles." The school builds healthier communities through
innovations in research, education, and patient care.

Home to the nationally recognized Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and
Clinical Practice, The Geisel School of Medicine is committed to creating
physician leaders who are skilled in path-breaking science and adept in
excellent management as well.

The Geisel School of Medicine has produced many firsts and achievements in
education, research and medical practice, including: the use of the stethoscope
in medical education, introduced by the poet-physician faculty member, Oliver
Wendell Holmes; the first clinical X-ray in America; the first multispecialty
intensive care unit; the first center to comprehensively examine variations in
health care costs in U.S. medical practice (The Dartmouth Atlas); and the
groundbreaking national model, "Supported Employment," which improves
outcomes for those with serious mental illness. In 2010, Dartmouth launched the
first Center for Health Care Delivery Science and a new master's degree
program in health care delivery science, a joint venture between the Tuck
School of Business and The Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical
Practice at the Geisel School of Medicine.

Founded in 1769, Dartmouth is a member of the Ivy League and consistently ranks
among the world's greatest academic institutions. Dartmouth has forged a
singular identity as a strong undergraduate and graduate institution dedicated
to teaching and research with graduate programs in the arts and sciences and
three leading professional schools--the Geisel School of Medicine, Thayer
School of Engineering, and the Tuck School of Business.
 
Gah, these "20x20" campaigns are a pet peeve of mine and almost never turn out well. I guess Souba loves them, though. He came from OSU, right?

Yes he did. In general, I think it's better the dean have clearly identified goals for the schools (like getting DMS named, which he just did) than to have either fluffy or no goals.
 
It can't just be Souba, though. An institutional change like this must have had support from a decent proportion of the board of trustees, even Jim Kim and (in the article) James Wright. Surprising to me, but i tend to react emotionally to changes and then realize they have become a nonissue later.
 
It can't just be Souba, though. An institutional change like this must have had support from a decent proportion of the board of trustees, even Jim Kim and (in the article) James Wright. Surprising to me, but i tend to react emotionally to changes and then realize they have become a nonissue later.

I was referring to 20x20 thing being a Souba-ism (OSU had one like it for a few years when he was dean). But I agree, there was probably a lot of buy-in from university leadership for the name change, and I'm sure the donation was ginormous.

There's always mixed feelings about moves like this, but it will probably equate to better fin-aid and resources for DMS (GSOM?) students, which is the best way to look at it.
 
There's always mixed feelings about moves like this, but it will probably equate to better fin-aid and resources for DMS (GSOM?) students, which is the best way to look at it.

I'm sure it is a lot of money and money is helpful. Plus now I can say I go to the Dr. Seuss School of Medicine.
 
Ohhh, i think i misunderstood.
 
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from reading that pdf, does that mean those of us on the wait-list are in the "second tier" of selection?
 
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It is not clear that the three tiers are Accept, WL, Reject. "Interview scores are utilized to determine whether a Tier 3 applicant is placed on the wait list." It sounds like your tier is application review score + interview score, but if you do well enough at the interview you can get on the waitlist even if you are not reviewed at the admissions committee meeting.

Is that how you guys read this?
 
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It is not clear that the three tiers are Accept, WL, Reject. "Interview scores are utilized to determine whether a Tier 3 applicant is placed on the wait list." It sounds like your tier is application review score + interview score, but if you do well enough at the interview you can get on the waitlist even if you are not reviewed at the admissions committee meeting.

Is that how you guys read this?

Yeah Shmemifly, I'm picturing it like a gradient so the highest review score + interview, got offered acceptances and then it goes down but I feel like the third tier would get rejections by the way it sounds, unless someone on admissions objects?
 
The awkward moment when you have to change DMS in your update letter to GSM...
 
The document is signed March 9th, 2012. The info there may be for next year?

I guess we all tried clicking on the writeup link.
 
OK..so to me from the document posted above it kinda seems like the later you were waitlisted the more likely you are "third tier"...or am i completely wrong?
 
OK..so to me from the document posted above it kinda seems like the later you were waitlisted the more likely you are "third tier"...or am i completely wrong?

This article should be used in MCAT VR.
 
This article should be used in MCAT VR.


lol it almost sounds like there is a "good" and "bad" wait list and people are pulled for consideration from one pool? haha I feel like I keep reading the same paragraph and interpreting it different (MCAT verbal material for sure).
 
Ok, this is a little complicated. But I think/hope we are misunderstanding what is a minor point in the document. Please forgive my obsessiveness, I am not normally neurotic, but I care about this waitlist a lot for personal reasons.

A) The two-tier waitlist situation Premedgirl88 mentioned:

Top/mid of Tier 2 = Acceptance
Bottom of Tier 2 = waitlist
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Top of Tier 3 = waitlist
Bottom of Tier 3 = Rejection

In this case, the committee didn't actually discuss half of the waitlisted and all of the rejected pool in person -- they barely decided anything! Andy's description made it sound like all three groups (WL, accept, reject) were delineated by him after committee meeting's "batting average" score. I think the top of the rejection pile MUST make it to committee meeting.

B) What this oh-so-confusing document then seems to imply:

Top of Tier 2 = Acceptance
Middle of Tier 2 = Waitlist
Bottom of Tier 2 = Rejection
----------------------------------
Top of Tier 3 = Waitlist
Below = Rejection

If we think the waitlist-rejection line falls among the "batting averages" in Tier 2 AND there are also actually a decent number of people in the Tier 3 waitlisted position, then those candidates somehow jumped ahead of committee-reviewed candidates, despite having a lower "composite score" and no comittee review. that would make no sense.

C) What I hope exists: Almost everyone goes to committee, this document was just misleading:

Top of Tier 2 = Acceptance
Middle of Tier 2 = Waitlist
Bottom of Tier 2 = Rejection
---------------------------
Top of Tier 3 = Rejection *

In which case this document is just explaining the circumstances around a few *(hopefully rare) cases in which people did spectacularly at the interview, but still scored below the threshold for commitee review. Which would mean their predetermined applicant score was low enough coming into the interview that they really were in the dreaded "interviewing for a waitlist" situation. The VAST majority of people on the waitlist would come from Tier 2.
 
Ok, this is a little complicated. But I think/hope we are misunderstanding what is a minor point in the document. Please forgive my obsessiveness, I am not normally neurotic, but I care about this waitlist a lot for personal reasons.

A) The two-tier waitlist situation Premedgirl88 mentioned:

Top/mid of Tier 2 = Acceptance
Bottom of Tier 2 = waitlist
------------------------------
Top of Tier 3 = waitlist
Bottom of Tier 3 = Rejection

In this case, the committee didn’t actually discuss half of the waitlisted and all of the rejected pool in person -- they barely decided anything! Andy’s description made it sound like all three groups (WL, accept, reject) were delineated by him after committee meeting's "batting average" score. I think the top of the rejection pile MUST make it to committee meeting.

B) What this oh-so-confusing document then seems to imply:

Top of Tier 2 = Acceptance
Middle of Tier 2 = Waitlist
Bottom of Tier 2 = Rejection
----------------------------------
Top of Tier 3 = Waitlist
Below = Rejection

If we think the waitlist-rejection line falls among the “batting averages” in Tier 2 AND there are also actually a decent number of people in the Tier 3 waitlisted position, then those candidates somehow jumped ahead of committee-reviewed candidates, despite having a lower “composite score” and no comittee review. that would make no sense.

C) What I hope exists: Almost everyone goes to committee, this document was just misleading:

Top of Tier 2 = Acceptance
Middle of Tier 2 = Waitlist
Bottom of Tier 2 = Rejection
---------------------------
Top of Tier 3 = Rejection *

In which case this document is just explaining the circumstances around a few *(hopefully rare) cases in which people did spectacularly at the interview, but still scored below the threshold for commitee review. Which would mean their predetermined applicant score was low enough coming into the interview that they really were in the dreaded “interviewing for a waitlist” situation. The VAST majority of people on the waitlist would come from Tier 2.

Whoa, well analyzed sir 😎
 
Any news today or yesterday regarding decisions?

I wonder how many days the adcoms have off for Easter.
 
Acceptance email 30 minutes ago. Interviewed on last date 3/22.
 
did you just get the email? when did you interview/what are your stats if you dont mind me asking. i interviewed 1/27 and still havent heard back
 
congrats to everyone accepted! ... welcome to the wait-list haha seems to be the case for the majority of us posting, which makes me wonder if post-interview rejections have gone out at all?
 
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Less and less people waiting for decisions...

Can I ask too when you accepted/waitlisted people interviewed?
 
just got WL'ed. interviewed on 1/27. hopefully there is a lot of movement this year
 
Has anyone brave called to ask for recent information on the size of THIS year's waitlist (if it is the usual 200 or so), given that there seem to be so many more WL than rejections here?
 
Has anyone brave called to ask for recent information on the size of THIS year's waitlist (if it is the usual 200 or so), given that there seem to be so many more WL than rejections here?

Why is bravery needed to make a phone call to ask a simple question?
 
haha. fair enough.

(a) i'm a complete wuss (b) i'm accepted, so it might be a little strange. I'm posting for a friend on the WL though. 🙂
 
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