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Now I'm curious. What did they tell you that was roast worthyAnyone else ask for feedback from last cycle and get roasted? Some steep standards at Miami and I even have a well rounded app haha
Now I'm curious. What did they tell you that was roast worthyAnyone else ask for feedback from last cycle and get roasted? Some steep standards at Miami and I even have a well rounded app haha
Now I'm curious. What did they tell you that was roast worthy
Did you ask by email or did you call? I interviewed here last cycle and got waitlisted so I'd love to get some feedback as well.Anyone else ask for feedback from last cycle and get roasted? Some steep standards at Miami and I even have a well rounded app haha
LOL i'll mention a few things, where do I begin? My GPA is pretty good and the only thing off is my MCAT is below their avg (super bummed about this but it is what it is), I guess that is grounds for me to apply to the Caribbean.I have ~900 hours of shadowing/hospital experience over multiple years but I guess I need to shadow 5 doctors instead because that wasn't what they wanted? I have around 1,000 research hours in the lab but not having a publication is frowned upon. I have a few awards but they weren't the "right" awards or honors to get lol
. I also have 4,000 hours of service but that didn't help my app at all apparently. *Insert* "that's nice, but we really are looking for...." I taught students as well, but they pointed out that I wasn't a TA in a preferred subject. Seems like if you don't have close to a 90 percentile or up they will pick apart your application, just an FYI. I've done more but those are the highlights. It's just funny that I know people who got in with no research or barely any volunteering or shadowing experience, but had the one thing better, which is the desired test score.
Ya that definitely sounds like they were just making stuff up to avoid the fact that the mcat was the problem. That really sucksLOL i'll mention a few things, where do I begin? My GPA is pretty good and the only thing off is my MCAT is below their avg (super bummed about this but it is what it is), I guess that is grounds for me to apply to the Caribbean.I have ~900 hours of shadowing/hospital experience over multiple years but I guess I need to shadow 5 doctors instead because that wasn't what they wanted? I have around 1,000 research hours in the lab but not having a publication is frowned upon. I have a few awards but they weren't the "right" awards or honors to get lol
. I also have 4,000 hours of service but that didn't help my app at all apparently. *Insert* "that's nice, but we really are looking for...." I taught students as well, but they pointed out that I wasn't a TA in a preferred subject. Seems like if you don't have close to a 90 percentile or up they will pick apart your application, just an FYI. I've done more but those are the highlights. It's just funny that I know people who got in with no research or barely any volunteering or shadowing experience, but had the one thing better, which is the desired test score.
That’s pretty savage man. Don’t beat yourself up about it. It seems like a lot of schools are picking apart these type of things just to point out something of an applicant asks.LOL i'll mention a few things, where do I begin? My GPA is pretty good and the only thing off is my MCAT is below their avg (super bummed about this but it is what it is), I guess that is grounds for me to apply to the Caribbean.I have ~900 hours of shadowing/hospital experience over multiple years but I guess I need to shadow 5 doctors instead because that wasn't what they wanted? I have around 1,000 research hours in the lab but not having a publication is frowned upon. I have a few awards but they weren't the "right" awards or honors to get lol
. I also have 4,000 hours of service but that didn't help my app at all apparently. *Insert* "that's nice, but we really are looking for...." I taught students as well, but they pointed out that I wasn't a TA in a preferred subject. Seems like if you don't have close to a 90 percentile or up they will pick apart your application, just an FYI. I've done more but those are the highlights. It's just funny that I know people who got in with no research or barely any volunteering or shadowing experience, but had the one thing better, which is the desired test score.
LOL i'll mention a few things, where do I begin? My GPA is pretty good and the only thing off is my MCAT is below their avg (super bummed about this but it is what it is), I guess that is grounds for me to apply to the Caribbean.I have ~900 hours of shadowing/hospital experience over multiple years but I guess I need to shadow 5 doctors instead because that wasn't what they wanted? I have around 1,000 research hours in the lab but not having a publication is frowned upon. I have a few awards but they weren't the "right" awards or honors to get lol
. I also have 4,000 hours of service but that didn't help my app at all apparently. *Insert* "that's nice, but we really are looking for...." I taught students as well, but they pointed out that I wasn't a TA in a preferred subject. Seems like if you don't have close to a 90 percentile or up they will pick apart your application, just an FYI. I've done more but those are the highlights. It's just funny that I know people who got in with no research or barely any volunteering or shadowing experience, but had the one thing better, which is the desired test score.
LOL i'll mention a few things, where do I begin? My GPA is pretty good and the only thing off is my MCAT is below their avg (super bummed about this but it is what it is), I guess that is grounds for me to apply to the Caribbean.I have ~900 hours of shadowing/hospital experience over multiple years but I guess I need to shadow 5 doctors instead because that wasn't what they wanted? I have around 1,000 research hours in the lab but not having a publication is frowned upon. I have a few awards but they weren't the "right" awards or honors to get lol
. I also have 4,000 hours of service but that didn't help my app at all apparently. *Insert* "that's nice, but we really are looking for...." I taught students as well, but they pointed out that I wasn't a TA in a preferred subject. Seems like if you don't have close to a 90 percentile or up they will pick apart your application, just an FYI. I've done more but those are the highlights. It's just funny that I know people who got in with no research or barely any volunteering or shadowing experience, but had the one thing better, which is the desired test score.
Given how ambiguous this sound, I would say it's a holistic screen. Don't think it's a number screen because they probably won't know what the cutoff should be given that it's the first year they're screening
How low is too low of mcat to apply here?
the schools website says:
The Miller School of Medicine has a new policy of sending secondary applications to most US citizens and permanent residents who submit an AMCAS application. It will be the applicant’s decision whether to fill out the secondary application and submit it. In this regard, all applicants should remember that our last three entering classes had an average undergraduate cumulative GPA of 3.7, a science GPA of 3.6, and an average old MCAT composite score of 505 – 515. To be truly competitive, potential applicants should have credentials comparable to those of our most recent classes. Supplemental applications received in the Office of Admissions after January 15th will not be processed.
worth applying with 505?
According to MSAR:
25th to 75th percentile range of accepted applicant MCAT scores: 510 to 516
10th to 90th: 506 to 519
Median = 513
Anything lower than a 506 is likely wasting your money...but the applicant mentioning the rough feedback seems to have enough ECs to almost offset a score around 506...
my cGPA is a 3.89What is your GPA? Like the other poster showed, if your MCAT is on their lower end you don't have a whole lot of room for other lapses. If you put together a good secondary and submit it early that would really help you stand out. There were multiple sub 70 LizzyMs on the 2017-18 thread that got accepted here.
If that’s the case then our chances of being admitted go up by a lot. Even if only 3/5 people get a secondary there’s still gonna be a bunch that don’t fill it out .I have a feeling that this "most applicants" they refer to is now likely gonna be something narrow like 3/5 or 4/7. There's this and then there's CASPer that they added on. I'm still trying hard for this school, but I've seen a lot of folks disgruntled with UMiami this cycle.
science is around there don’t remember exact value.my cGPA is a 3.89
Honestly if you’re lower than a 510, unless you’ve got some killer ECs/ ties etc, your money is probably best spent elsewhereAccording to MSAR:
25th to 75th percentile range of accepted applicant MCAT scores: 510 to 516
10th to 90th: 506 to 519
Median = 513
Anything lower than a 506 is likely wasting your money...but the applicant mentioning the rough feedback seems to have enough ECs to almost offset a score around 506...
probs going to use the money for a DO secondary that i wasn’t going to submitHonestly if you’re lower than a 510, unless you’ve got some killer ECs/ ties etc, your money is probably best spent elsewhere
If that’s the case then our chances of being admitted go up by a lot. Even if only 3/5 people get a secondary there’s still gonna be a bunch that don’t fill it out .
I don’t think they’re gonna use Casper for anything. It really seems like a last minute thing plus I doubt they even know how to use it. At best they would toss out anyone with less than 50 percentile score
I would be very surprised if they weighted it very heavily first year. They just have no data to compare toA 50% tile cutoff for a test about whose scoring we know so little is nothing to scoff at. I’ll try my absolute best on CASPer to showcase proper ethical cognition, but it would suck if my score is still too low for certain schools.
LOL i'll mention a few things, where do I begin? My GPA is pretty good and the only thing off is my MCAT is below their avg (super bummed about this but it is what it is), I guess that is grounds for me to apply to the Caribbean.I have ~900 hours of shadowing/hospital experience over multiple years but I guess I need to shadow 5 doctors instead because that wasn't what they wanted? I have around 1,000 research hours in the lab but not having a publication is frowned upon. I have a few awards but they weren't the "right" awards or honors to get lol
. I also have 4,000 hours of service but that didn't help my app at all apparently. *Insert* "that's nice, but we really are looking for...." I taught students as well, but they pointed out that I wasn't a TA in a preferred subject. Seems like if you don't have close to a 90 percentile or up they will pick apart your application, just an FYI. I've done more but those are the highlights. It's just funny that I know people who got in with no research or barely any volunteering or shadowing experience, but had the one thing better, which is the desired test score.
I would be very surprised if they weighted it very heavily first year. They just have no data to compare to
That’s true. It’s not just an ethical test. There’s a bunch of other parameters that they’re looking for (compassion, empathy, understanding, problem solving etc). I have a feeling that once this test becomes full swing, the 50th percentile will be a minimum threshold similar to the mcat. Right now it seems unlikely they’re going to use it so hopefully we’ll all be fineA 50% tile cutoff for a test about whose scoring we know so little is nothing to scoff at. I’ll try my absolute best on CASPer to showcase proper ethical cognition, but it would suck if my score is still too low for certain schools.
hmmmm decisions on whether to submit my app!!For what it's worth, my GPA was well below the 10th percentile and got in last cycle. So just cause you have one bad stat won't eliminate you completely.
Dont they have a type of numbering system? I thought I saw 120 pts go to stats and 180 goes to everything else.For what it's worth, my GPA was well below the 10th percentile and got in last cycle. So just cause you have one bad stat won't eliminate you completely.
Yup there's a video closer to the beginning of this thread attesting to that. Unfortunately drHopefuls anecdotal evidence pertaining to his stellar app with a low mcat seems to speak otherwiseDont they have a type of numbering system? I thought I saw 120 pts go to stats and 180 goes to everything else.
For what it's worth, my GPA was well below the 10th percentile and got in last cycle. So just cause you have one bad stat won't eliminate you completely.
He could have other factors too like legacy, ties etc that were includedYup there's a video closer to the beginning of this thread attesting to that. Unfortunately drHopefuls anecdotal evidence pertaining to his stellar app with a low mcat seems to speak otherwise
Where do you go now?
hmmmm decisions on whether to submit my app!!
hmmmm decisions on whether to submit my app!!
Ya I didn't realize shadowing 5 different specialties was needed either and they specifically mentioned that they like seeing publications and certain honors (like phi beta/fullbright... something like that) which I didn't realize. I did a lot of hours in the lab but my graduate student didn't pump out publications like others did, but I gained valuable insight in research and worked on dozens of different research projects. I don't see how not having certain awards can be looked down on if your app is competitive for them anyways. I feel like just having an award is a great thing and i'm pretty happy about mine. They must be interviewing a lot of PhD Rhode Scholar applicants I guess haha. I'm very happy with where my application is and worked very hard to get it there, I'm sure the feedback person just wanted to pick things apart. I'm not mad with the feedback, they gave me a different perspective that no one has ever mentioned to me before so i'll keep it in mind. Although they picked my app apart, at least I know the things I should add in my secondary's going forward so i'm happy about that. Make sure to elaborate on everything you did in detail, even the smallest things like bringing water to patients. They stressed that as well. Glad this feedback helped and hope everyone on this thread gets an interview this cycle!
I wholly agree.Haha yeah if you're on the fence, just do it. I applied to a behemoth of schools (a lot of which seemed out of reach) and ended up getting to choose. The first time I applied to applied to very select schools and had 0 acceptances and 0 choices. Definitely better to spend the extra ~$100 now.
Lends credence to the idea that if you're deficient in MCAT or GPA at a reach school, your app better be fantastic otherwise. His ECs were definitely enviable, but I don't think they were quite outstanding.Ya that definitely sounds like they were just making stuff up to avoid the fact that the mcat was the problem. That really sucks![]()
Lends credence to the idea that if you're deficient in MCAT or GPA at a reach school, your app better be fantastic otherwise. His ECs were definitely enviable, but I don't think they were quite outstanding.
In my opinion, its hard to imagine the primary to secondary cut-off be 4/7 or 3/5. If we already know that the # of secondaries filled out and submitted is roughly 40-50% of the # of primary applications submitted then there is no way that the primary application to secondary invite breakdown is in the 60% + range. That would mean that majority of people who get their secondaries from Miami fill them out and submit.
I am guessing like 80-90% of primary applicants get a secondary (the ones don't just have a super low GPA and/or MCAT score). Then roughly 60% of applicants who get a secondary submit a completed one.
In my opinion, its hard to imagine the primary to secondary cut-off be 4/7 or 3/5. If we already know that the # of secondaries filled out and submitted is roughly 40-50% of the # of primary applications submitted then there is no way that the primary application to secondary invite breakdown is in the 60% + range. That would mean that majority of people who get their secondaries from Miami fill them out and submit.
I am guessing like 80-90% of primary applicants get a secondary (the ones don't just have a super low GPA and/or MCAT score). Then roughly 60% of applicants who get a secondary submit a completed one.
Last year less than 50% of receivers submitted a secondary
If anyone has received a secondary,
What are the essays asking for & word count.
Thanks!
Secondary just now:
APPLICANT NARRATIVES: (All narrative responses should be less than 500 words each).
Briefly describe the one clinical experience you have had that has most significantly influenced your decision to study medicine. Do not replicate your AMCAS personal statement.
Why have you selected the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine for your medical education? Please be as specific as possible.
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your clinical experiences/shadowing.
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your community service/volunteering.
Please discuss a situation where you had to use your leadership skills.
Please briefly discuss your research experience.
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your employment.
[OPTIONAL] Please provide a description of any activities involving the FINE ARTS (dance, drama, music, art, photography, etc.)
[OPTIONAL] Please provide a description of any activities involving SPORTS (organized team sports, recreational activities that you play, watch or follow)
[OPTIONAL] Describe your most meaningful involvement in STUDENT ORGANIZATIONS.
[OPTIONAL] Please provide a description of your most memorable TRAVEL experience.
[OPTIONAL] Please provide a description of your HOBBIES and what you do for fun and relaxation.
Secondary just now:
APPLICANT NARRATIVES: (All narrative responses should be less than 500 words each).
Briefly describe the one clinical experience you have had that has most significantly influenced your decision to study medicine. Do not replicate your AMCAS personal statement.
Why have you selected the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine for your medical education? Please be as specific as possible.
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your clinical experiences/shadowing.
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your community service/volunteering.
Please discuss a situation where you had to use your leadership skills.
Please briefly discuss your research experience.
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your employment.
[OPTIONAL] Please provide a description of any activities involving the FINE ARTS (dance, drama, music, art, photography, etc.)
[OPTIONAL] Please provide a description of any activities involving SPORTS (organized team sports, recreational activities that you play, watch or follow)
[OPTIONAL] Describe your most meaningful involvement in STUDENT ORGANIZATIONS.
[OPTIONAL] Please provide a description of your most memorable TRAVEL experience.
[OPTIONAL] Please provide a description of your HOBBIES and what you do for fun and relaxation.
So my email says the instructions for completing the secondary are attached...but there is neither a link nor an attachment to the email......is anyone else having this issue?
Hmm did you indicate interest in MD/MPH or MD/PhD?
Secondary just now:
APPLICANT NARRATIVES: (All narrative responses should be less than 500 words each).
Briefly describe the one clinical experience you have had that has most significantly influenced your decision to study medicine. Do not replicate your AMCAS personal statement.
Why have you selected the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine for your medical education? Please be as specific as possible.
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your clinical experiences/shadowing.
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your community service/volunteering.
Please discuss a situation where you had to use your leadership skills.
Please briefly discuss your research experience.
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your employment.
[OPTIONAL] Please provide a description of any activities involving the FINE ARTS (dance, drama, music, art, photography, etc.)
[OPTIONAL] Please provide a description of any activities involving SPORTS (organized team sports, recreational activities that you play, watch or follow)
[OPTIONAL] Describe your most meaningful involvement in STUDENT ORGANIZATIONS.
[OPTIONAL] Please provide a description of your most memorable TRAVEL experience.
[OPTIONAL] Please provide a description of your HOBBIES and what you do for fun and relaxation.