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Does UMiami have a secret list or is it published for the 3-30 "quality of institution" part. Like what constitutes a "3" school vs a "10" school etc?
 
NinjasAtMyDoor said:
Does UMiami have a secret list or is it published for the 3-30 "quality of institution" part. Like what constitutes a "3" school vs a "10" school etc?
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They’re basing it off the Barron’s blah blah (forgot the rest of the name) that’s mentioned in the video.
 
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And then @wesleysnipes was saying that examples of the scalin were UM - 30 and FSU - 15. FSU doesn’t even show up on the only publicly available Barron’s selectivity index from 2009, so maybe the 1-4 indices are scaled from 30-20. Does anyone have the selectivity indices of 2018?

Another thing is that UM is rated as "more selective" on USNWR. The highest rating is "most selective", so I’d assume that if your school is "most selective" and has a higher USNWR overall rank than UM, you’ll get the full 30 points.
 
Has anyone gotten a secondary recently? I regret pre-writing this beast 2 months ago...
 
medschoolzombie said:
Question for you then : what do you plan/want to do with an MPH that you can't do with just an MD? I'm debating on whether to apply to the combined program but I'm still struggling to think of a good reason of what to do with it if that makes sense.
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I'll post a very informed posters submission on the utility of the MD MPH. Disclaimer: I am not in the combined program, so I have no bias here. But I think the MPH is an incredibly useful degree especially for dealing with population level interventions, health policy, health systems, international health, primary care, etc.




The Master of Public Health degree is a free-standing professional degree that allows its constituents to practice in a number of different arenas, including Health Policy & Management, Health Education/Behavior, Biostatistics, Environmental Health/Toxicology, Epidemiology, and so on and so forth. Public health careers within and between any of these disciplines varies widely, which makes public health difficult to define so generally outside of explaining its individual parts. The MPH is not terminal, but it can serve as a terminal degree for many (while some choose to continue on to obtain the PhD or DrPH).

When a clinician chooses to pursue a public health degree, s/he typically does so with some goal in mind (e.g., community health programming, etc.). This means that there are some people that go to medical school with the specific goal of being researchers, whether clinical or bench. Some know that they will practice for a few years, but want to work moreso at the administrative level to improve the way that healthcare is delivered. Some just want to practice without incorporation of anything else. Either way, the public health degree is flexible, not finite. Public health is not just about having an additional degree to satisfy one's ego, it is essentially a way of understanding things.

When you consider the traditional medical model, the practice of medicine is focused on the clinical aspects of science. It involves the treatment of each patient on an individual basis. When you consider things from the public health standpoint, you would expand the individual view to one that is population-based, and treatment would instead be a focus on preventing a person from having a disease in the first place (or at least teaching people how to manage their illness so that they prevent further deterioration due to a disease). Thus, having knowledge of public health expands the viewpoint of the clinician to consider things that s/he may not have considered without knowledge of these principles. Each concentration in public health allows for anyone that desires to make an impact on public health to do so in a way that is most productive for them and the most beneficial for the constituents that they serve.

There are many clinicians that practice public health but do not have formal training in it. Public health and medicine were once "one", but made a split inthe earlier half of last century. Now, there is more of an emphasis on public health in medicine. Honestly, it is difficult to imagine medicine without the practice of public health and the understanding that with each patient, there is an opportunity to impact overall community health.

So, to answer your question, the utility of the public health degree is not in actually having the additional letters behind your name, but moreso in the everyday incorporation of public health into your thought processes and practice. Public health is just an adjunct that may allow (not guarantee) you to be a better physician, but medicine is not a necessity as far as strengthening public health - which stands on its own to effect change.
 
icedude2010 said:
I'll post a very informed posters submission on the utility of the MD MPH. Disclaimer: I am not in the combined program, so I have no bias here. But I think the MPH is an incredibly useful degree especially for dealing with population level interventions, health policy, health systems, international health, primary care, etc.




The Master of Public Health degree is a free-standing professional degree that allows its constituents to practice in a number of different arenas, including Health Policy & Management, Health Education/Behavior, Biostatistics, Environmental Health/Toxicology, Epidemiology, and so on and so forth. Public health careers within and between any of these disciplines varies widely, which makes public health difficult to define so generally outside of explaining its individual parts. The MPH is not terminal, but it can serve as a terminal degree for many (while some choose to continue on to obtain the PhD or DrPH).

When a clinician chooses to pursue a public health degree, s/he typically does so with some goal in mind (e.g., community health programming, etc.). This means that there are some people that go to medical school with the specific goal of being researchers, whether clinical or bench. Some know that they will practice for a few years, but want to work moreso at the administrative level to improve the way that healthcare is delivered. Some just want to practice without incorporation of anything else. Either way, the public health degree is flexible, not finite. Public health is not just about having an additional degree to satisfy one's ego, it is essentially a way of understanding things.

When you consider the traditional medical model, the practice of medicine is focused on the clinical aspects of science. It involves the treatment of each patient on an individual basis. When you consider things from the public health standpoint, you would expand the individual view to one that is population-based, and treatment would instead be a focus on preventing a person from having a disease in the first place (or at least teaching people how to manage their illness so that they prevent further deterioration due to a disease). Thus, having knowledge of public health expands the viewpoint of the clinician to consider things that s/he may not have considered without knowledge of these principles. Each concentration in public health allows for anyone that desires to make an impact on public health to do so in a way that is most productive for them and the most beneficial for the constituents that they serve.

There are many clinicians that practice public health but do not have formal training in it. Public health and medicine were once "one", but made a split inthe earlier half of last century. Now, there is more of an emphasis on public health in medicine. Honestly, it is difficult to imagine medicine without the practice of public health and the understanding that with each patient, there is an opportunity to impact overall community health.

So, to answer your question, the utility of the public health degree is not in actually having the additional letters behind your name, but moreso in the everyday incorporation of public health into your thought processes and practice. Public health is just an adjunct that may allow (not guarantee) you to be a better physician, but medicine is not a necessity as far as strengthening public health - which stands on its own to effect change.
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Wow super informative thank you so much! Also, want to write my secondaries for me for all the MD/MPH schools ?
 
wesleysnipes said:
Has anyone gotten a secondary recently? I regret pre-writing this beast 2 months ago...
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In the same boat. I emailed and they said that I would receive an email once someone looked at my application.
Further confirmation of them doing some holistic screen.
 
ME1221 said:
In the same boat. I emailed and they said that I would receive an email once someone looked at my application.
Further confirmation of them doing some holistic screen.
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I really wonder how they’re able to first holistically screen for a secondary and then holistically assess for an II.
 
Sorry if this was already addressed, but do you guys think it would be a problem to submit a little later than 2 weeks? (like 2.5?) or is that a huge no-no?
 
Do you think UM even looks at the primary? I forgot to list a clinical volunteer experience under the secondary voluneering section. I listed and discussed it in my primary, and talked about it in my "Why UM essay", but I hope it doesn’t get glossed over. I think I was concerned with minimizing repetition of new info that for some reason I decided not reiterating it would be best. Now I’m a little worried because I realized there’s only specific reviewers for "patient care experiences", and all I’ve got is a lot of shadowing (150+ hrs over 6 years) and a decent amount of clinical volunteering (120+ hrs over two months for the experience I did remember to list under volunteering)...no clinical jobs like I’ve seen from so many past and present UM applicants. I know I can’t go back and change it, but anyone else been in the same boat? It would’ve been nice to show more longitudinal commitment to clinical volunteering on my secondary. I hope it doesn’t get drowned out by my nonclinical volunteering (which there is a lot of)

edit: Is this worth sending an update email for?
 
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I have no idea how things are weighted so I don't want to advise you one way or another. I would think it's not worth an update, though. That seems overkill.

If it makes you feel any better, I have no clinical volunteering at all on my application.
 
Hirro said:
I have no idea how things are weighted so I don't want to advise you one way or another. I would think it's not worth an update, though. That seems overkill.

If it makes you feel any better, I have no clinical volunteering at all on my application.
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I’ve seen past threads. Folks slightly messed up these lists and still got II’s, so I think they do in fact look at the AMCAS activites as well.
 
For the English requirement: I have 1 English lit course (P/F grade) and 2 writing courses.
I also only have one biochem course but I have an additional ochem course

Will this be a problem? 🙁
 
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Anyone else submit the secondary and then have it say you need to upload a photo and then when you go to upload the photo, it says you have already uploaded a photo?
 
Finally finished their secondary today!
 
So they actually give you your score? Or do they just say you've been scored? Definitely cool how transparent they are
 
I Cycle said:
7/25
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I’ve never seen a faster review around this time than that. There’s no way to know if that’s good or bad, but it’s good that you got scored. Lots of applicants rejected in March were never scored
 
how important is it for the list to be chronological? Many of mine overlap so I'm trying my best to make it seem like a timeline instead of a random list.. how have others been doing this.

also are people bulleting and then adding the date at the end?

edit: or are people putting the dates in sentence form.. for example: in june 2015, i volunteered at the ED of.. blah

sorry for all the specific questions 🙂
 
friendly_premed said:
For the description of "arts", has anyone listed a course in music that they took? Any ideas if this is appropriate as an activity?
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I think they are looking for involvement / extracurriculars / talents. I personally would not include any courses in the arts unless it included maybe a performance or a large art project or something.
 
Just submitted yesterday & wow that was long (but kinda fun?...) anyway, commenting to stay updated in this thread.
 
Submitted AAMC on 6/26
Verified 7/26
First secondary email notice received on 7/31
Given secondary on 8/2
 
If I was verified when applications opened but never received a secondary, should I assume I am not getting one?
 
I never got the invite, but was able to login with my amcas number and birthdate. I completed and submitted the secondary. Some other people here have done the same. Idk if there's a problem with their email system, or I wasn't supposed to complete the secondary, but I figured it couldn't hurt.
 
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