2022-2023 SUNY - Downstate

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I know most DEI training is lame as hell and led by some privileged white lady, but Downstate could use it imo
I actually wasn’t sure if he was testing me to see if I would push back. He actually said “don’t get started on that woke crap.” We were talking about my mountaineering hobby and I corrected him that Denali is no longer referred to as Mt McKinnley. Later he went on to talk about how he likes the Russian and Jewish students because they pursue research at the expense of attending classes as opposed to the black students who are just trying to pass. I was a little dumbfounded.
 
I actually wasn’t sure if he was testing me to see if I would push back. He actually said “don’t get started on that woke crap.” We were talking about my mountaineering hobby and I corrected him that Denali is no longer referred to as Mt McKinnley. Later he went on to talk about how he likes the Russian and Jewish students because they pursue research at the expense of attending classes as opposed to the black students who are just trying to pass. I was a little dumbfounded.
Utterly insane. Y’all have no idea how validated I feel right now hearing your very similar stories in my PMs and in this thread
 
I actually wasn’t sure if he was testing me to see if I would push back. He actually said “don’t get started on that woke crap.” We were talking about my mountaineering hobby and I corrected him that Denali is no longer referred to as Mt McKinnley. Later he went on to talk about how he likes the Russian and Jewish students because they pursue research at the expense of attending classes as opposed to the black students who are just trying to pass. I was a little dumbfounded.
Holy **** how does one even respond to that???
 
Utterly insane. Y’all have no idea how validated I feel right now hearing your very similar stories in my PMs and in this thread
I am so sorry you both had to deal with these interviewers. My interviewer was anti-vaxx and made a large portion of my interview a debate about the efficacy and safety of vaccines. The interview ended up being 2 hours of his complaining. Im shocked I wasn't the only one who had with an interviewer like this!
 
I am so sorry you both had to deal with these interviewers. My interviewer was anti-vaxx and made a large portion of my interview a debate about the efficacy and safety of vaccines. The interview ended up being 2 hours of his complaining. Im shocked I wasn't the only one who had with an interviewer like this!
Wow I'm honestly shocked. Look what they put us through..
 
I am so sorry you both had to deal with these interviewers. My interviewer was anti-vaxx and made a large portion of my interview a debate about the efficacy and safety of vaccines. The interview ended up being 2 hours of his complaining. Im shocked I wasn't the only one who had with an interviewer like this!
Omg yours was a 2 hour convo too? I do bet we all had the same guy! Middle age Hispanic male, PhD?
 
Oh my god you guys im sorry you all went through that cuz what the ****
 
Nah, what?!? 😳 I am so sorry for everyone here who had these ridiculous interviewers, it's all f***ed up. My interviewer was this nice lady, EdD, not sure if anyone else had her. It's extremely upsetting to think of how much better Downstate's admissions process could be if only they cared at least a little bit about their applicants.

This school doesn't deserve any of you beautiful ppl. Y'all are amazing, I just know it
 
Did everyone who got invited to the tour get a decision or does that imply high WL? What about the folks who didn't get a tour invite after the interview...and are they still sending tour invites lmao
 
Did everyone who got invited to the tour get a decision or does that imply high WL? What about the folks who didn't get a tour invite after the interview...and are they still sending tour invites lmao
I don’t think anything means anything at this point. I interviewed mid sept and toured early on. No communication to me since
 
How many people do they accept off WL? someone mentioned in this thread but I cant find it now
 
Omg yours was a 2 hour convo too? I do bet we all had the same guy! Middle age Hispanic male, PhD?
My interviewer was a much older white man. I don't believe he had an MD or PhD which was also interesting considering I'm being interviewed for medical school...
 
apparently they interview close to 900 people so it seems like the post II acceptance rate (including waitlist) is like ~35% 😢
During Q&A in the fall they said (according to my notes):

this year over 1100 candidates are interviewed, and accept around 450 to 500 to bring in final class of 185 to 199, 199 final class size over last three years (close to 50 percent yield rate)
 
Just to recap:
  • A current student at downstate is having such a terrible experience they felt compelled to blast the school on this thread and warned us to stay away.
  • The admissions director stated multiple times that all initial application decisions will be released in February (including waitlists), and did nothing to correct himself or communicate once that turned out to be false.
  • Multiple people experienced unprofessional, inappropriate, and even overtly racist interviews (myself included, +1)
  • The MPH program evidently failed to communicate with the MD program at all. This led to applicants receiving multiple absurd emails from the school of public health, including one demanding deposits from people who don’t even know if they’re accepted to the MD program.
Am I missing anything?

God bless the people in this thread who don’t have the luxury of holding an acceptance somewhere else. Downstate is clearly a complete mess and they don’t deserve you. If you do get in, use them for the education like they used you this cycle. Remember not to rely on administration for anything.

Abhorrent behavior from both administration and faculty, plus a truly incredible lack of quality control. Do better.
 
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Did anyone see what they put on their website? Idk if it’s new or not
 

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Do they accept updates at least
I was thinking of sending another update/letter of intent as well. The only reason I haven't yet is because it would be another letter of intent (which I sent for my first one) and because I feel that they already made a decision (prob WL) so idk how much good it'll do right now. However, I guess sending it now wouldn't be bad because they would prob look at it at some point when re-reviewing the WL. That's just my thought process though
 
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I emailed them and they said once my file is complete and the committee comes to a decision, they would update me. So, I am assuming it could be that the ones who haven’t heard back, it’s because we haven’t had the committee review of our files yet. It’s in line as per what I am making out of what they meant. I am keeping my hopes high. I had a great experience with the school starting with Mr. Vincent to my interviewer and peer interviewer. So, I would encourage you all to not get discouraged for a few negative experiences. Most people there are nice. That’s how I felt. At this point, I want to keep my hopes high and I really want to encourage you all to have faith. I know it’s tough. But at the end of the tunnel, if there is good news, I won’t take it for granted and give it my all to be good doctor. And do everything I can to leave a positive impact on the schoo’s community. I wish I could just let them know this way that I am ready to give my soul to the school and do everything I need to and much more if I am accepted. Maybe it will be a sweet moment even if the news arrives late. A long awaited one. And I am an early October interviewee here.
 
I emailed them and they said once my file is complete and the committee comes to a decision, they would update me. So, I am assuming it could be that the ones who haven’t heard back, it’s because we haven’t had the committee review of our files yet. It’s in line as per what I am making out of what they meant. I am keeping my hopes high. I had a great experience with the school starting with Mr. Vincent to my interviewer and peer interviewer. So, I would encourage you all to not get discouraged for a few negative experiences. Most people there are nice. That’s how I felt. At this point, I want to keep my hopes high and I really want to encourage you all to have faith. I know it’s tough. But at the end of the tunnel, if there is good news, I won’t take it for granted and give it my all to be good doctor. And do everything I can to leave a positive impact on the schoo’s community. I wish I could just let them know this way that I am ready to give my soul to the school and do everything I need to and much more if I am accepted. Maybe it will be a sweet moment even if the news arrives late. A long awaited one. And I am an early October interviewee here.
Thank you for this! Did you email them today?
 
I emailed them and they said once my file is complete and the committee comes to a decision, they would update me. So, I am assuming it could be that the ones who haven’t heard back, it’s because we haven’t had the committee review of our files yet. It’s in line as per what I am making out of what they meant. I am keeping my hopes high. I had a great experience with the school starting with Mr. Vincent to my interviewer and peer interviewer. So, I would encourage you all to not get discouraged for a few negative experiences. Most people there are nice. That’s how I felt. At this point, I want to keep my hopes high and I really want to encourage you all to have faith. I know it’s tough. But at the end of the tunnel, if there is good news, I won’t take it for granted and give it my all to be good doctor. And do everything I can to leave a positive impact on the schoo’s community. I wish I could just let them know this way that I am ready to give my soul to the school and do everything I need to and much more if I am accepted. Maybe it will be a sweet moment even if the news arrives late. A long awaited one. And I am an early October interviewee here.
I totally agree, guys. Don't just assume the worst if you haven't heard back yet. Praying for you all and hope for the best. If it's meant to be, it will happen!
 
I emailed them and they said once my file is complete and the committee comes to a decision, they would update me. So, I am assuming it could be that the ones who haven’t heard back, it’s because we haven’t had the committee review of our files yet. It’s in line as per what I am making out of what they meant. I am keeping my hopes high. I had a great experience with the school starting with Mr. Vincent to my interviewer and peer interviewer. So, I would encourage you all to not get discouraged for a few negative experiences. Most people there are nice. That’s how I felt. At this point, I want to keep my hopes high and I really want to encourage you all to have faith. I know it’s tough. But at the end of the tunnel, if there is good news, I won’t take it for granted and give it my all to be good doctor. And do everything I can to leave a positive impact on the schoo’s community. I wish I could just let them know this way that I am ready to give my soul to the school and do everything I need to and much more if I am accepted. Maybe it will be a sweet moment even if the news arrives late. A long awaited one. And I am an early October interviewee here.
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Tiramisu is 100% a mole from admissions
 
I emailed them and they said once my file is complete and the committee comes to a decision, they would update me. So, I am assuming it could be that the ones who haven’t heard back, it’s because we haven’t had the committee review of our files yet. It’s in line as per what I am making out of what they meant. I am keeping my hopes high. I had a great experience with the school starting with Mr. Vincent to my interviewer and peer interviewer. So, I would encourage you all to not get discouraged for a few negative experiences. Most people there are nice. That’s how I felt. At this point, I want to keep my hopes high and I really want to encourage you all to have faith. I know it’s tough. But at the end of the tunnel, if there is good news, I won’t take it for granted and give it my all to be good doctor. And do everything I can to leave a positive impact on the schoo’s community. I wish I could just let them know this way that I am ready to give my soul to the school and do everything I need to and much more if I am accepted. Maybe it will be a sweet moment even if the news arrives late. A long awaited one. And I am an early October interviewee here.
Assuming you’re not a plant from downstate (joke): I applaud your positivity. But also want to note that you shouldn’t be willing to “give your soul” to any school or other institution at any point in your career. The institution will not reciprocate.
 
I emailed them and they said once my file is complete and the committee comes to a decision, they would update me. So, I am assuming it could be that the ones who haven’t heard back, it’s because we haven’t had the committee review of our files yet. It’s in line as per what I am making out of what they meant. I am keeping my hopes high. I had a great experience with the school starting with Mr. Vincent to my interviewer and peer interviewer. So, I would encourage you all to not get discouraged for a few negative experiences. Most people there are nice. That’s how I felt. At this point, I want to keep my hopes high and I really want to encourage you all to have faith. I know it’s tough. But at the end of the tunnel, if there is good news, I won’t take it for granted and give it my all to be good doctor. And do everything I can to leave a positive impact on the schoo’s community. I wish I could just let them know this way that I am ready to give my soul to the school and do everything I need to and much more if I am accepted. Maybe it will be a sweet moment even if the news arrives late. A long awaited one. And I am an early October interviewee here.
This is a super wholesome way to look at things. Hoping for good news for everyone. I also wanted to echo that I'm appalled by the disturbing interview experiences you guys had courage to talk about. I really hope that a few bad apples don't spoil the bunch. Like tiramisu008 said, I actually had a really positive experience with my Downstate interviewer-- they were a professor (PhD) and overall I left the interview feeling seen, heard, and supported. From our 1h interview, I could tell he was the type of engaged, compassionate professor that every student would wish to have. I also got good vibes from current students who seem to be enjoying their experience despite a disorganized admin. I really really hope things aren't as bad as they seem, from the non-communication from admin and the poor interview experiences. Hoping for the best for everyone.
 
Every interaction I've had with this school has been so messy that I can't keep quiet about it anymore.

My interview was a disaster. The interviewer asked me how many years high school was and how many years college was. He said he didn't know these things and wanted to learn so he could prepare his kids. He also asked if an 8th grader could take the MCAT and didn't know what a 520+ score meant. He said if someone scores in the 99% percentile but there are 8th graders taking the test then it doesn't mean anything. He also kept referring to my major by the wrong subject, despite me correcting him six or seven times. I'm sorry but if you're asking me these questions during the interview and can't even be bothered to learn what I majored in then you don't deserve to be evaluating me for admission. He also said some really problematic things about race/gender/poverty

The MS1s and MS2s at the student info session were also less than enthused about the school. Someone asked what resources the school provided, like academic support, etc, and the MS1 laughed and said "I'm sorry I'm just trying to process your question. The only useful resource you'll have are the upperclassmen." Someone else asked how the school prepares students for clinical rotations/residency, and they said "how to function without sleep" without a follow up or serious answer. Someone else asked if they were happy and they said "happiness is relative." I get that school is stressful, but I'm assuming these students volunteered to represent the school...anyway, not a good look.

Also admissions sent me an email that was meant for someone else, didn't even bother changing the name
 
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Hi everyone, current MS1 here. I am very sorry for the position that you guys are in. I was in the same boat last year: Despite my OP stats (MCAT 520+ and I will just leave it at that) and 5 interviews at very competitive schools, by March all I had was 3 Rs and 2 WLs. I didn't get my Downstate acceptance until mid June (interviewed in Jan), AFTER I already submitted my reapplication. I was also scared ****less due to all the negative comments on here last year, but I didn't really have another choice but to go here.

But guess what, I am thriving here. The school's community is incredibly supportive. The neighborhood is one of the most diverse in America, which is great for people who doesn't just want to treat white privileged patients (one of my friends literally said this as their reason for choosing Downstate). Admin is admin, that's not changing wherever you go, but we have been able to create constructive discourse with them and achieved great solutions. They are also people, and once our differences are resolved, they are also very understanding. It is annoying that we need to fight for things that are common sense, but I have learned how to advocate for myself and my classmates in ways I never have before.

The admission team is always a little messy. But - and I say this with 100% certainty - the behaviors that you guys described in your interviews ARE NOT TOLERATED here, so PLEASE REPORT THEM. We are an incredibly diverse class and community, so you will never hear those opinions here because they know we will go. to. town on them. If there is any whiff of intolerance whatsoever, I have seen my classmates and our community shut. it. down. Maybe they are doing it to test you guys (which is stupid), or they feel like they can say it in your interviews because you guys can't fight back like we can. Either way, please report them. Bigotry has no place here (or anywhere for that matter).

The experience in medical school is what you make of it. Seek out opportunities and advocate for yourself. After 4 years, my MD is just as good as that from any other school. If you have an A in your backpocket, congratulations! If you don't, I know how stressful it is and I understand, and I'm sorry. There is usually a lot of WL movement at Downstate, so even if you get WL you still have a great chance of getting in. I just thought you guys should know that there are students who are happy and thriving at Downstate, who will be your upperclass mentors and care greatly about your success.

I'm happy to chat about my experience here if you guys want, but please know that I have zero involvement with admissions. Good luck!

xo

P/s: And stop checking here so much, it's really bad for your mental health (trust me, I was in your shoes last year - it's true).
 
Do you think it’s better to send a LOI now or wait until we get official communication of our status?
 
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