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MCAT and GPA are not the only factor. The value of the MCAT score is singnificantly reduced if you have been out of college for 2 or more years before taking the test. For this reason they will also look at other factors. For example how hard was your undergrad curriculum, do you have a graduate Degree ? how much do you really know about the pratice of medicine based on your ECs and also wether you are trully interested in a Rural med path that will serve EXT in the long run. etc etc. Based on the narrative they use a kid with a 525 MCAT and a 499 MCAT could both be in group A if all else is a good fit, and they have a hight MATCH Duet from the casper. is trully holistic. They set the MCAT GPA cut off ( Dean's words ) low to give consideration to kids who might have struggle freshman etc being first generation etc, But show promise later on their academics. So the extend that stats are included are not hard cut off in the traditional sense and not the single factor that place someone in group X...... is not like UT SOUTHWESTERN. is more like their group 2 broken by mission fit.

I agree 100%. This is a very mission driven school and I do believe that stats will not have as much of an influence as say rural or primary care experience.

I was only commenting on the fact of how medical schools can predict student likelihood to graduate on time (and pass step 1/step 2 ck) based off of MCAT/GPA, which they can to a certain extent. But honestly even if you only get a 502 there's still like a 95% chance you'll graduate on time.

 

[Unconditionalloves]

Thank you all for all of the responses. Sometimes I just think about the MCAT still being the most important factor for schools when the MCAT has nothing to do with what you will study in medical school. I think about how physics and ochem are prerequisites and are on the mcat but anatomy and physiology is not a pre req and you will study that in med school. I just hope more schools truly become holistic. What does a high score on a test mean when that material will not be seen anywhere in medical schools (I’ve asked many first years and graduates ). To make it such a major factor is just something I think about in terms of this career pathway

Is imperfect, but is the best tool we have at the moment. CASPER regular is pretty unfair, the Duet Makes sense.

 

[deleted1140882]

I agree 100%. This is a very mission driven school and I do believe that stats will not have as much of an influence as say rural or primary care experience.

I was only commenting on the fact of how medical schools can predict student likelihood to graduate on time (and pass step 1/step 2 ck) based off of MCAT/GPA, which they can to a certain extent. But honestly even if you only get a 502 there's still like a 95% chance you'll graduate on time.

The mcat/gpa values are what determine the >95% measurement. However there are four different categories that they are looking at and the stats are only one of those groups. They also look at ETX/mission fit, values/Casper, etc

 

[Unconditionalloves]

 

[Unconditionalloves]

Post the four pillars above stats at most are 25% of the equation, While the other 75% is mission fit with heavy weight on casper and duet. Ad comes will not see STATS at all.

 

[cranberrylimeade]

Mrs. Lynn (Director of Admissions) is speaking to our premed org today. Anyone have any pressing questions that you can't find the answer to online that you'd like me to try to ask?

I see the last few posts and will definitely ask what the post-interview review process looks like!

 

[session6]

Mrs. Lynn (Director of Admissions) is speaking to our premed org today. Anyone have any pressing questions that you can't find the answer to online that you'd like me to try to ask?

I see the last few posts and will definitely ask what the post-interview review process looks like!

Maybe to tie into the post interview review, I'd you could ask if we can expect to hear back before or after Christmas

 

[deleted1140269]

Maybe to tie into the post interview review, I'd you could ask if we can expect to hear back before or after Christmas

Yes, really been wondering about this.

 

[cranberrylimeade]

Yes, really been wondering about this.

They said "early december" at the AAMC virtual fair 🙂

 

[deleted1106377]

Thanks for doing this @cranberrylimeade! I was curious, do they expect to fill most of their class before the match? From the wording on my interview day, they said “… if we have to we will participate in the match.” I might be reading into it, but sounds like they will be very prematch heavy (as you mentioned earlier).

 

[texasvandy]

Pillar 1 - Academics
Pillar 2 - region
Pillar 3 - minority, low SES, disadvantaged
Pillar 4 - ratings on service and interview together

Interesting process to select students.

 

[deleted1106377]

Pillar 1 - Academics
Pillar 2 - region
Pillar 3 - minority, low SES, disadvantaged
Pillar 4 - ratings on service and interview together

Interesting process to select students.

Yeah it is interesting. I wonder if each "Pillar" is equal in weight or they differ.

 

[wysdoc]

Thanks for doing this @cranberrylimeade! I was curious, do they expect to fill most of their class before the match? From the wording on my interview day, they said “… if we have to we will participate in the match.” I might be reading into it, but sounds like they will be very prematch heavy (as you mentioned earlier).

Look, even if they make 40 offers before the match, some of the folks they offer a spot will rank some other schools higher.
It's a situation that has flux.

Also, this is an odd way to phrase it, because as a part of TMDSAS they ARE participating in the Match. And so are all you applicants.

 

[deleted1106377]

Look, even if they make 40 offers before the match, some of the folks they offer a spot will rank some other schools higher.
It's a situation that has flux.

Also, this is an odd way to phrase it, because as a part of TMDSAS they ARE participating in the Match. And so are all you applicants.

I agree, it does sound weird. Idk, I'm fairly certain that's the way it was worded and I just wanted clarification. I'm probably just overthinking it

 

[wysdoc]

I agree, it does sound weird. Idk, I'm fairly certain that's the way it was worded and I just wanted clarification. I'm probably just overthinking it

That may be exactly the way someone said it, I'm not doubting you, but this is their first year doing this and not everyone says things perfectly at all times. The Match algorithm WILL fill their 40 spots.

 

[deleted1106377]

That may be exactly the way someone said it, I'm not doubting you, but this is their first year doing this and not everyone says things perfectly at all times. The Match algorithm WILL fill their 40 spots.

Yeah that's the way I understood the TMDSAS match. Even if they send 40 prematches, it's highly unlikely all 40 of those students accept the spot!

 

[LA3]

Anyone here who got an interview invite or already interviewed that has pre-matched to another school and let go their spot for this school?

 

[wysdoc]

Anyone here who got an interview invite or already interviewed that has pre-matched to another school and let go their spot for this school?

Pretty early in the process for people to be dropping schools but we do sometimes see a person withdrawing from their DO apps if accepted at an MD

 

[cranberrylimeade]

Yeah it is interesting. I wonder if each "Pillar" is equal in weight or they differ.

She confirmed today that they are weighted equally.

Also noted that your post-interview eval includes your secondaries, LORs, etc. They are blind to your name and photo.

The intention in prematching a high portion of their classes is to ensure that their ideal candidates know that they’re really wanted by the school. Prematches will continue through Jan/Feb.

 

[Unconditionalloves]

She confirmed today that they are weighted equally.

Also noted that your post-interview eval includes your secondaries, LORs, etc. They are blind to your name and photo.

The intention in prematching a high portion of their classes is to ensure that their ideal candidates know that they’re really wanted by the school. Prematches will continue through Jan/Feb.

What else she said? we need a recap 😉
🤣

 

[wysdoc]

What else she said? we need a recap 😉
🤣

Go and watch the THES interview with UT Tyler, they go through all this stuff in excruciating detail 😵🤐

 

[Numpostrophe]

Couldn’t this lead to them easily overfilling their class if they aren’t conservative with the prematches? Didn’t this happen to A&M a couple of years ago? Relying on the match somewhat seems so much safer.

 

[Unconditionalloves]

Go and watch the THES interview with UT Tyler, they go through all this stuff in excruciating detail 😵🤐

I both watch it and post it screenshots from it above, but since that is from months ago, she could have covered deatils today that were not clear then. This is their first cycle, and student led Q&A mid cycle might have better insight.

 

[deleted1140269]

Couldn’t this lead to them easily overfilling their class if they aren’t conservative with the prematches? Didn’t this happen to A&M a couple of years ago? Relying on the match somewhat seems so much safer.

My guess is they won't pre-match over 40 to guarantee they won't go over.

 

[Unconditionalloves]

Couldn’t this lead to them easily overfilling their class if they aren’t conservative with the prematches? Didn’t this happen to A&M a couple of years ago? Relying on the match somewhat seems so much safer.

No because In the end there will be students that will pre-match here but their top choice will be elsewhere.

 

[Unconditionalloves]

My guess is they won't pre-match over 40 to guarantee they won't go over.

Yeah might be too like NYU LI, they only accept 24 people and from that point the rest is wait list, if anyone drop then the list moves up.

 

[wysdoc]

My guess is they won't pre-match over 40 to guarantee they won't go over.

@Jeld78 has the right idea!

 

[deleted1140269]

She confirmed today that they are weighted equally.

Also noted that your post-interview eval includes your secondaries, LORs, etc. They are blind to your name and photo.

The intention in prematching a high portion of their classes is to ensure that their ideal candidates know that they’re really wanted by the school. Prematches will continue through Jan/Feb.

Also I'm pretty sure pre-match ends at the end of January? Can someone confirm?

 

[globaldoc27]

They’re interviewing about 160 right?

 

[wysdoc]

Also I'm pretty sure pre-match ends at the end of January? Can someone confirm?

Yes, last day for a pre-match offer is January 29th.

 

[session6]

They’re interviewing about 160 right?

They said 120-150

 

[globaldoc27]

They said 120-150

So about a little higher than 1/4 chance which is pretty good.

 

[globaldoc27]

I just saw this on their website. So it looks like they’re doing 115 interviews so far.

 

[session6]

I just saw this on their website. So it looks like they’re doing 115 interviews so far.

Oh interesting, would you mind linking that?

 

[globaldoc27]

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[cranberrylimeade]

What else she said? we need a recap 😉
🤣

i think they’ll post it on youtube! i’ll lyk 🙂

Also I'm pretty sure pre-match ends at the end of January? Can someone confirm?

she said up until prematch period ends so that was my bad thinking that it was feb!

 

[globaldoc27]

What else she said? we need a recap 😉
🤣

They posted it on YouTube!!

 

[Unconditionalloves]

i think they’ll post it on youtube! i’ll lyk 🙂


she said up until prematch period ends so that was my bad thinking that it was feb!

They posted it on YouTube!!

Thank you.

 

[Unconditionalloves]

As expected this had far more insight into the process, everyone here should see this video. it will make many more things clear.

 

[Unconditionalloves]

Also on the Casper the school gets a different scoring system than we do. The get Z scores instead of Quartiles.
These Z scores range from -4 to +4 with Zero (0) being the mean and a given standard deviation.
if you score is 1+ for example then you are on the 84th% or so, but the score can be 0.99 or 1.2 etc. see pictures below.
2 things:
if you are on the 4th quartile your score can be anywhere from 0.3 + to 4+
If you are in the bottom at least for US School the screen out is not a thing since many schools know now that while a top scoring Casper can be beneficial as an added bonus on the student evaluation, a low one should not be used for exclusions.

This is why in one of the interviews Ms Lynn mentioned that they will look at the standard deviations, which might have not made sense when thinking Quartiles.

 

[deleted1106377]

Also on the Casper the school gets a different scoring system than we do. The get Z scores instead of Quartiles.
These Z scores range from -4 to +4 with Zero (0) being the mean and a given standard deviation.
if you score is 1+ for example then you are on the 84th% or so, but the score can be 0.99 or 1.2 etc. see pictures below.
2 things:
if you are on the 4th quartile your score can be anywhere from 0.3 + to 4+
If you are in the bottom at least for US School the screen out is not a thing since many schools know now that while a top scoring Casper can be beneficial as an added bonus on the student evaluation, a low one should not be used for exclusions.

This is why in one of the interviews Ms Lynn mentioned that they will look at the standard deviations, which might have not made sense when thinking Quartiles.

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This makes a lot more sense. Originally I thought one of their “pillars” focused on Casper exclusively, which I thought was insane. It’s more likely that pillar consists of LORs and interview evals than anything else

 

[deleted1140269]

I think it’s great that the school is doing blind file reviews post interview but how does the admissions committee ensure a diverse class when using this approach? What if all the applicants they choose blindly are primarily one ethnicity or one gender? Anyone have any insights to this?

 

[session6]

I think it’s great that the school is doing blind file reviews post interview but how does the admissions committee ensure a diverse class when using this approach? What if all the applicants they choose blindly are primarily one ethnicity or one gender? Anyone have any insights to this?

I think if you you're using that logic you're saying some people should be admitted purely on the basis of diversity? Isn't a blind admissions process the fairest?

 

[texasvandy]

I think it’s great that the school is doing blind file reviews post interview but how does the admissions committee ensure a diverse class when using this approach? What if all the applicants they choose blindly are primarily one ethnicity or one gender? Anyone have any insights to this?

Blind file reviews refers to not taking gpa/mcat into account but using the cumulative points assigned to each interviewee. It is possible they pick more of one gender than the other but ethnicity is factored into the scoring in the 4 pillars.

 

[deleted1106377]

Blind file reviews refers to not taking gpa/mcat into account but using the cumulative points assigned to each interviewee. It is possible they pick more of one gender than the other but ethnicity is factored into the scoring in the 4 pillars.

yup exactly this. They stated one of their pillars is pretty much URM status so minorities will rank highly on at least this portion.

 

[deleted1140269]

I think if you you're using that logic you're saying some people should be admitted purely on the basis of diversity? Isn't a blind admissions process the fairest?

I dont think anyone should be admitted based on one factor alone, but diversity is important to this school so I was wondering how that works with blind file reviews.

 

[deleted1140269]

yup exactly this. They stated one of their pillars is pretty much URM status so minorities will rank highly on at least this portion.

Thank you for clarifying! Completely overlooked this.

 

[Unconditionalloves]

I think it’s great that the school is doing blind file reviews post interview but how does the admissions committee ensure a diverse class when using this approach? What if all the applicants they choose blindly are primarily one ethnicity or one gender? Anyone have any insights to this?

Since socioeconomic status is taken in to account as a whole pilar, chances there be a good amount of diversity. That said the class might reflect the racial make up of EXT which is not as diverse as the rest of TX.

 

[texasvandy]

Pillar 1 - Academics
Pillar 2 - region
Pillar 3 - minority, low SES, disadvantaged, ECs, leadership
Pillar 4 - ratings on service and interview together

If you assume people in the region get 25 points and everyone else gets zero out of 100 I can't imagine a lot of people outside of region making up the difference.

 

[ese2]

What does "service" mean in Pillar 4? If it's volunteering, wouldn't it go under the ECs in pillar 3? Sorry I'm not completely understanding how this works