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Did they share in second look the reason behind the lack of scholarships this year? are they done giving them out?
As an OOS student, my award letter showed that the total COA for M1 is $105,194.
So, as an OOS student, I would have to take out ~$420,000 in loans. Will be withdrawing my A! Seems like a wonderful med school, but I am planning to follow scholarship money elsewhere QUOTE]
- Total Non-Resident Tuition and Fees: $63,105
- Tuition and Fees (Resident with Student Health Insurance): $50,492
- Non-Resident Tuition: $12,613
- Living Expenses: $42,089
- Total Estimated Cost of Attendance for 1st Year: $105,194
Seriously thank you so much for this insight!
This excludes summer semester costs which are in addition to what @Opuntia reported. From 2024-2025 onwards there will be 3 summer semesters, each of which according to 2023-2024 estimates cost about 17.5k each.As an OOS student, my award letter showed that the total COA for M1 is $105,194.
So, as an OOS student, I would have to take out ~$420,000 in loans. Will be withdrawing my A! Seems like a wonderful med school, but I am planning to follow scholarship money elsewhere <3
- Total Non-Resident Tuition and Fees: $63,105
- Tuition and Fees (Resident with Student Health Insurance): $50,492
- Non-Resident Tuition: $12,613
- Living Expenses: $42,089
- Total Estimated Cost of Attendance for 1st Year: $105,194
funds just running low, and they got rid of the geffen schoalrshipDid they share in second look the reason behind the lack of scholarships this year? are they done giving them out?
Thank you!!..lolAight guys I’ll donate a couple billion
+1Withdrew my A, all the best to everyone hoping for good news here!
I’m confused about this whole summer thing. Isn’t that normally included in tuition?This excludes summer semester costs which are in addition to what @Opuntia reported. From 2024-2025 onwards there will be 3 summer semesters, each of which according to 2023-2024 estimates cost about 17.5k each.
I’m confused about this whole summer thing. Isn’t that normally included in tuition?
I see. Thanks!How Much Does Medical School Cost? | UCLA Medical School
How much is medical school? We offer medical school scholarships, grants, and loans to make acquiring a med degree accessible for everyone.medschool.ucla.edu
So what Opuntia reported is cost of 1st year. 2nd year onward you have summers, which are additional cost. And yes you’re right most schools I’ve seen have it included within the academic year cost but it’s different at ucla.
Exactly why I withdrew, sad+1
Loved the school but couldn’t afford it even w scholarships. Best of luck to everyone going forward
as if applicants have lots of funds lolfunds just running low, and they got rid of the geffen schoalrship
UCLA has waitlist motion but not motion like this:Has anyone talked with the financial office to make sure that the Geffen scholarship is no longer offered? Did they bring a reason why this year suddenly things have changed?
Has anyone talked with the financial office to make sure that the Geffen scholarship is no longer offered? Did they bring a reason why this year suddenly things have changed?
During second look they mentioned they’re not going to be as competitive this year because they’re low on funds. David Geffen’s last donation to continue the scholarship was in 2019 which was estimated to cover about 414 scholarships ending with the class of 2026.
More than 400 UCLA medical school students get a free education thanks to major donation
A $46-million donation from entertainment billionaire David Geffen means 414 medical school students are receiving full tuition merit scholarshipswww.latimes.com
My sibling who was accepted here attended their Wednesday office hours recently and they said the Geffen Scholarship is no longer offered this year since the donation/funding from it finished.Has anyone talked with the financial office to make sure that the Geffen scholarship is no longer offered? Did they bring a reason why this year suddenly things have changed?
They said this?funds just running low, and they got rid of the geffen schoalrship
I got it as well, but I’ve also gotten all the previous ones.Anyone else on the WL receive the email about the final happy hour? Never received an email from them about these so I’m not sure why they sent one today🥲
I was also curious about this. I drafted one, but then ultimately didn't send worrying that it could hurt my prospects when it seems that they don't want or accept them.I know it says they don’t accept letters of intent, but is a letter of interest okay to send? Last year’s thread had a lot of WL A’s who said they sent nothing, but I’m not sure what to do lol
So they want me to play hard to get?I was also curious about this. I drafted one, but then ultimately didn't send worrying that it could hurt my prospects when it seems that they don't want or accept them.
@Morningnight and any other current students, would very much appreciate your thoughts/input on this as well!What are yalls thoughts on UCLA Medical School in Crisis
Edit: can any current students or anyone who know any current students comment on this?
@Morningnight and any other current students, would very much appreciate your thoughts/input on this as well!
It is probably true at any school that you need to be a good independent learner, but I think this is even more so the case at UCLA. There is no blueprint for when to take Step 1 or Step 2, so you need to be active in your studies and lean on your peers to plan together. I'll also emphasize the importance of using 3rd party resources instead of sticking to in-house material. The in-house material is good for training your clinical reasoning. Not so good for passing the national board exams.@Morningnight and any other current students, would very much appreciate your thoughts/input on this as well!
It is probably true at any school that you need to be a good independent learner, but I think this is even more so the case at UCLA. There is no blueprint for when to take Step 1 or Step 2, so you need to be active in your studies and lean on your peers to plan together. I'll also emphasize the importance of using 3rd party resources instead of sticking to in-house material. The in-house material is good for training your clinical reasoning. Not so good for passing the national board exams.
I'll echo one of the comments in the Crisis thread that many of the concerns and worries about not being prepared come from the 1st class that went through the curriculum change. There has been a significant drop in failed shelf exams in my year, and most of my classmates on clerkship have been told that they are on par or above expectations for clerkship students. Happy to answer other specific questions y'all have.
It is probably true at any school that you need to be a good independent learner, but I think this is even more so the case at UCLA. There is no blueprint for when to take Step 1 or Step 2, so you need to be active in your studies and lean on your peers to plan together. I'll also emphasize the importance of using 3rd party resources instead of sticking to in-house material. The in-house material is good for training your clinical reasoning. Not so good for passing the national board exams.
I'll echo one of the comments in the Crisis thread that many of the concerns and worries about not being prepared come from the 1st class that went through the curriculum change. There has been a significant drop in failed shelf exams in my year, and most of my classmates on clerkship have been told that they are on par or above expectations for clerkship students. Happy to answer other specific questions y'all have.
Also a current applicant but I've been hearing a lot of "outcries" from MS1s at another school—they are the first batch experiencing a new curriculum. I think its almost always a mix of personal factors and the curriculum not being the most ideal, mature, and realistic one. Obviously, there will always be students who are more adaptive and may be a little less affected!As a prospective student I think my main concern would be - by choosing to attend ucla rather than another institution am I going to receive an education that will be detrimental when it comes to being prepared for step 2 (especially for those considering competitive specialities) as well as being equipped for rotations and residency. Tbh, I don’t want to pay that much COA if that’s going to be the case. But, although the timeline may be different than other schools without a 1 year pre-clinical, if I’m equally as competent and as prepared as students from other top schools then I’m less concerned and see it more as a curriculum that may fit personal learning preferences instead.
Do you personally think these outcries are from students who don’t vibe well with the new curriculum but are not making adjustments to succeed it in it and therefore feel betrayed/deceived/not receiving a proper medical education?
Can any current student comments on this? Kind of worrying to hear as it seems to be a repeated issue.
Thread 'UCLA Medical School in Crisis'
UCLA Medical School in Crisis
Edit: I scrolled up and saw we are already discussing this lol
LosFeliz posted a very comprehensive and even-handed responseAlso I believe more current students chimed in in the original post!
Agreed! LosFeliz has a great response.LosFeliz posted a very comprehensive and even-handed response
Completely valid concerns. I think one thing that needs to be accepted if you choose to commit to DGSOM is that our curriculum is a work in progress. It's now gone through 3 iterations and is much, much improved from what it originally was. If you're a person that is more comfortable with something that is tried and true, sure maybe DGSOM isn't the best place for you right now. I'll also emphasize that the large majority of the core clinical team are the most passionate and caring educators I have ever met. They also recognize that something is wrong with the curriculum and are actively working to fix it.As a prospective student I think my main concern would be - by choosing to attend ucla rather than another institution am I going to receive an education that will be detrimental when it comes to being prepared for step 2 (especially for those considering competitive specialities) as well as being equipped for rotations and residency. Tbh, I don’t want to pay that much COA if that’s going to be the case. But, although the timeline may be different than other schools without a 1 year pre-clinical, if I’m equally as competent and as prepared as students from other top schools then I’m less concerned and see it more as a curriculum that may fit personal learning preferences instead.
Do you personally think these outcries are from students who don’t vibe well with the new curriculum but are not making adjustments to succeed it in it and therefore feel betrayed/deceived/not receiving a proper medical education? OR do you think ucla is truly not preparing their students to the level that all other top institutions are?
If you failed an exam, you would still have to retake it. Current MS2s and MS3s were able to review with faculty without retaking it, but the school changed the policy this year.Agreed! LosFeliz has a great response.
I'll echo that I think the single biggest mistake that was made with the new curriculum change is the exam policy during MS1 year. The school bakes into your head that in-house material is all you need to do when the reality is that they're covering 50% (maybe even less) than the entirety of material covered on Step 1. Literally. It's shocking when you flip through First Aid Step 1 for the first time and you don't know half the disease entities in those pages. Students average 80-95% on exams throughout MS1 year, but this is largely because in-house exams are significantly easier than NBME style questions. If you failed an exam, you would "remediate" by going in to review your exam with faculty. That's it -- you didn't need to retake the test, no repeating the course, etc. I believe there is now a policy for retaking exams, but I'm not sure and hope that a current MS1 can speak to it.
Completely valid concerns. I think one thing that needs to be accepted if you choose to commit to DGSOM is that our curriculum is a work in progress. It's now gone through 3 iterations and is much, much improved from what it originally was. If you're a person that is more comfortable with something that is tried and true, sure maybe DGSOM isn't the best place for you right now. I'll also emphasize that the large majority of the core clinical team are the most passionate and caring educators I have ever met. They also recognize that something is wrong with the curriculum and are actively working to fix it.
Personally, I don't think this should be a major deterrent for students who have other things to gain from being here. I.e. family, location, networking and connections. My only piece of advice is don't drink the Koolaid that you're fine only doing in-house material. Use third party resources. Study for Step 1 all throughout MS1 year and take it before clerkships (even though that's not what the school advertises). Albeit I don't see much of other schools, but the large majority of my classmates are the hardest-working and most competent folks that I know.
Thank you for the thoughtful response! I think my last question then would be if you make the proper effort for self-directed study for step 1, by the end of rotations and with the discovery year, do you think students are set up well for step 2? My thought process would be yes because you’ve presumably passed step 1, gone through rotations, and have your discovery year to prep for step 2 but maybe I am incorrect in thinking that way
Yes. At the end of the day regardless of what school you go to, all of us know what we need to know to succeed. Your effort is probably the #1 determinant for success. With discovery year, there is lots of flexibility for how you want to prepare for Step 1 or 2.Thank you for the thoughtful response! I think my last question then would be if you make the proper effort for self-directed study for step 1, by the end of rotations and with the discovery year, do you think students are set up well for step 2? My thought process would be yes because you’ve presumably passed step 1, gone through rotations, and have your discovery year to prep for step 2 but maybe I am incorrect in thinking that way
Two points that bother me the most are :Can any current student comments on this? Kind of worrying to hear as it seems to be a repeated issue.
Thread 'UCLA Medical School in Crisis'
UCLA Medical School in Crisis
Edit: I scrolled up and saw we are already discussing this lol
Two points that bother me the most are :
1." This information is getting out to the residency programs and one of the local residency programs who used to take the less competitive UCLA students has stopped interviewing our students because they have had negative experiences with the poor performance of some of the UCLA graduates recently who matched into their program. This is becoming a problem for even our top students because since UCLA is a pass fail school the top students can’t distinguish themselves from the many students who are struggling, so residency programs just have to assume every UCLA student is struggling."
2. "It hurts me greatly when I meet with a UCLA student and I have to tell them they will never match into my specialty. When they came to UCLA they were told it was a top school and it would open doors for them, usually by the time they figure it out that it is not true, it is too late."
How true are these statements? The person made it sound like I will never match into any competitive specialties if I choose to attend UCLA
That person is exaggerating. Look at UCLA's match list and tell me how true that person's statement is lolTwo points that bother me the most are :
1." This information is getting out to the residency programs and one of the local residency programs who used to take the less competitive UCLA students has stopped interviewing our students because they have had negative experiences with the poor performance of some of the UCLA graduates recently who matched into their program. This is becoming a problem for even our top students because since UCLA is a pass fail school the top students can’t distinguish themselves from the many students who are struggling, so residency programs just have to assume every UCLA student is struggling."
2. "It hurts me greatly when I meet with a UCLA student and I have to tell them they will never match into my specialty. When they came to UCLA they were told it was a top school and it would open doors for them, usually by the time they figure it out that it is not true, it is too late."
How true are these statements? The person made it sound like I will never match into any competitive specialties if I choose to attend UCLA
yes, I am encountering the same thing!!Did anyone else on the WL get an email about switching their AMCAS from combined degree to regular MD? The emails says if you don’t switch it by the 30th, then you get taken off the WL.
When I try to switch it, there’s a message that says “you have selected a program that is no longer available”. Anyone find a way to successfully switch to regular MD?View attachment 386001
Is it true that UCLA’s students are truly unranked? No hidden rank system or anything of that sort?