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Yes, so if it's Colorado or some other schools' OOS tuition, you may have a point.
Des Moines University (D.O.) or Rosalind Franklin University (M.D.)???
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Yes, so if it's Colorado or some other schools' OOS tuition, you may have a point.
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CMS currently offers a few merit-based full ride scholarships. I don't know about DO programs.
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well some one threw out that 500k, not i!
No I'm say that CMS was a lot more expensive in the past then other schools.....something you even acknowledge in you're original post....
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Either your friend was lying about getting into RFU, or he has incredibly poor judgment. Sorry.
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Fair enough, but even when it did have relatively high tuition it was still considerably cheaper than OOS tuition at many state schools.
Look. In the end people will do whatever makes them feel better. CMS does not need to go begging for students; like any other medical school it has the luxury of rejecting the vast majority of applicants. I'm just trying to dispel some misconceptions about the quality of education you can get at CMS.
That's cool man no problem. I agree, I have no doubt that CMS will fill up their class, and like any other school, will graduate many successful doctors. I was just passing along what I had heard about the school, even if it is apparently outdated now. I thought I did a good job of prefacing it as not fact but guess not haha.
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This is a foolish attitude to take, IMO. People spend their entire lives paying off this type of a loan.
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did not intend to lead to a MD vs DO war. just wanted to figure out what was the better school that would lead to the best possible future. yes working hard can overcome many obstacles, however if the situation you are in prevents you from doing the best you can, then perhaps its not you but the area. i'm just trying to get opinions about what ppl think would lead to the best possible future if choosing between these two schools
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i know you didnt mean it to be an md. vs. do debate... but that is essentially what it comes down to...
It does not matter if RFU is absolutely the worst school ever.... it is an MD school, and end of discussion. Congrats on getting in!!... and for those discussions in which people say they chose SGU over RFU... 😕.... really???? really ???? really??????? i dont believe it at all
As for DMU, sure it is highly regarded etc..., but the final conclusion is that it is a DO school
You MAY regret having a DO later down the road... but you will definitely NEVER regret having an MD, unless you are not happy with medicine.. then regardless of whether you have DO or MD it doesnt matter... you will not be happy either way
Btw... I dont THINK that DO's can practice medicine in Canada, Australia, UK, India.. this is important especially with the uncertainty of the future of the US heathcare system
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dude who is gonna practice in canada or any of those places if they dont have the burden of debt
👍my thoughts exactly! I don't think his friend was accepted to RFU because it would be illogical to go offshore with a US acceptance.
he said regardless of if he was accepted at RFU he would probably go to SGU unless he got into another school he applied to in the u.s. with that said he went sgu. please don't bash his decision, he was a foreign exchange student, and in his home country they did not recognize DO as a medical license. i appreciate all the advise everyone provided on here and i agree with the statement that u.s. MD or DO school is better than foreign.
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😕 RFU is an MD school, so who cares whether his ome country recognizes DO?
BTW, in response to nonsciencemajor, you can practice medicine almost anywhere in Canada as a DO. Wikipedia has a handy map showing which countries accept American DO's.
The truth of the matter is that your friend did not get accepted into RFU. If he did, he would have gone. I question why he applied to RFU in the first place if he loathed it so much. And as the previous poster stated, RFU is an MD school, not DO. Anyhow, no disrespect. I wish him luck and hope he's happy where he is. After all, he's the one who has to live his life, not us.
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Which one is cheaper and closer to your family?? Go there.
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Hey OP, you should consider posting this thread in the D.O. school specific section as well. A different perspective might be enlightening.
My advice would be go to RFU if the tuition difference is not too great. Now my main reason for this is not to knock DO schools, which will give you a great if not better education than you might get at some MD schools. I think OMM could be a great tool to have....
However if you want a tangible reason as to why MD over DO...it's simply residency options.
Research publications indicate that Residency slots have been capped since the late 90's. While the numbers of DOs in ACGME residencies has increased in the past 10 years significantly, the number of MDs graduating is concurrently starting to increase along with DOs. As a result, it seems gaining a residency will be more competitive for all physicians (DO,MD, FMG). However, most ACGME programs will favor MDs, as a result there might end up being significant amounts of DOs and FMGs that do not match at all.
My guess is that the pecking order will hold true MD > DO > FMG, and mostly FMGs will get squeezed out.
I would say that this residency concern would not matter if you are dead set on primary care, pmr, psychiatry....However if you want a top residency ROADS, then go MD. You could make the argument that DOs have osteopathic residencies for these tough specialties, but i THINK many good fellowships will not take on AOA residents? Additionally, there are many less osteopathic residencies and this will limit you on location, prestige of hospital etc....
Keep in mind as well, some Hospitals do not allow DO students to rotate at their hospitals....this might piss you off as a DO student who has busted his/her butt off, to be turned away because of BS hierarchy. Nonetheless, it is part of the climate.
So in summation, unless you really value OMM, know you want primary care, and/or really love the school, or will save THAT much $$$, I wouldn't pick the DO. But if all of those do apply, it could work for you.
However if you want a tangible reason as to why MD over DO...it's simply residency options.
Research publications indicate that Residency slots have been capped since the late 90's. While the numbers of DOs in ACGME residencies has increased in the past 10 years significantly, the number of MDs graduating is concurrently starting to increase along with DOs. As a result, it seems gaining a residency will be more competitive for all physicians (DO,MD, FMG). However, most ACGME programs will favor MDs, as a result there might end up being significant amounts of DOs and FMGs that do not match at all.
My guess is that the pecking order will hold true MD > DO > FMG, and mostly FMGs will get squeezed out.
I would say that this residency concern would not matter if you are dead set on primary care, pmr, psychiatry....However if you want a top residency ROADS, then go MD. You could make the argument that DOs have osteopathic residencies for these tough specialties, but i THINK many good fellowships will not take on AOA residents? Additionally, there are many less osteopathic residencies and this will limit you on location, prestige of hospital etc....
Keep in mind as well, some Hospitals do not allow DO students to rotate at their hospitals....this might piss you off as a DO student who has busted his/her butt off, to be turned away because of BS hierarchy. Nonetheless, it is part of the climate.
So in summation, unless you really value OMM, know you want primary care, and/or really love the school, or will save THAT much $$$, I wouldn't pick the DO. But if all of those do apply, it could work for you.
a professor told me to go MD if i have the opportunity. one of the reasons though was that the professor said MD's make more money than DO's for doing the same things. i do not believe this is true. would others agree that its not true?
I know 3 DO's from the gym and also shadowing etc. I've asked them and all said it is NOT true for them @ least.
Like I said...a D.O. @ my gym is G.I. doc...one of the hardest and most lucrative internal medicine specialties to get into.
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no doctors make money based on their specialty, the procedures they do, and how much insurance companies reimburse them. Insurance companies don't care about what your degree is when they compensate you, they care about you actually did.
i fed the troll. 🙄
However, maybe on a salary system if you work at a hospital, then maybe a DO could potentially make less?????? But even then, the concept is just so absurd.
i fed the troll. 🙄
However, maybe on a salary system if you work at a hospital, then maybe a DO could potentially make less?????? But even then, the concept is just so absurd.
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Of course it's absurd.
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