University of North Texas (UNTHSC/TCOM) Discussion Thread 2012 - 2013

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Wow. Great combo IMO. Ditching the HP/Dell tablets is a good move, although they were the best choice at the time and served their purpose rather well (I still use mine daily). Maybe with computer prices coming down, there'll be room to add a Kindle Fire which I highly recommend for rotations - much easier to carry around.
 
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no it's not out of pocket. the technology bundle is standardized and it is part of your tuition/fees. the amount allotted is fixed but since computers get better and cheaper with time, the incoming 1st years always get the best deal. the warranty & support is excellent.
btw health insurance and medical equipment are also paid out ot tuition if you don't have your own.
 
Okay, so is it about time to start worrying now? I received the confirmation e-mail from TCOM on 6/28... still no interview invite... all it says in portal is "Application is Complete." I don't know if the fact that I am still waiting on my second MCAT score to be released affects them reviewing my application and making a decision for an interview? Anyone know?
 
Okay, so is it about time to start worrying now? I received the confirmation e-mail from TCOM on 6/28... still no interview invite... all it says in portal is "Application is Complete." I don't know if the fact that I am still waiting on my second MCAT score to be released affects them reviewing my application and making a decision for an interview? Anyone know?

No, not worry time yet...still a lot of the season left 😉
 
Okay, so is it about time to start worrying now? I received the confirmation e-mail from TCOM on 6/28... still no interview invite... all it says in portal is "Application is Complete."

The night is young, my friend. I wouldn't read anything into the silence.
 
Hey it's still early, they will review your app multiple times. Gotta learn to love the process just like you had to learn to love studying for the MCAT -.-
 
Does TCOM want to see a DO letter or are they less inclined than the other schools?
 
I get the feeling they don't care as much, especially if your stats are right
 
I get the feeling they don't care as much, especially if your stats are right

Hate to bring this again, but no DO letter here, decent stats and unfortunately, silence...
So they might care about a DO letter.
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Hate to bring this again, but no DO letter here, decent stats and unfortunately, silence...
So they might care about a DO letter.

I posted earlier that I got my invite before my DO letter ever left his office (thanks for being on time with your letter, doc).

I certainly didnt blow them away with my stats (32, 3.35), so maybe they clicked on the wrong app or something. From what Ive seen from this board and the MD boards, the people getting interviews are people with top 5% stats and then a few totally random invites here and there. No clue what merits one of the seemingly "random" invite at one school and not another.
 
I don't think TCOM was ever hardcore about the DO letter, since very few people I know had one when they applied.
 
I posted earlier that I got my invite before my DO letter ever left his office (thanks for being on time with your letter, doc).

I certainly didnt blow them away with my stats (32, 3.35), so maybe they clicked on the wrong app or something. From what Ive seen from this board and the MD boards, the people getting interviews are people with top 5% stats and then a few totally random invites here and there. No clue what merits one of the seemingly "random" invite at one school and not another.

You may be right about "random invites here and there," because my stat is below their average and I had my interview invite more than a month ago.
 
I don't think TCOM was ever hardcore about the DO letter, since very few people I know had one when they applied.

I did not have a DO letter but i have an interview invite. The DO letter is not required as stated in their secondary.
 
For purposes of hedging and looking way too far out into the future (and there arent different boards for different application years) does anybody know how deep into their wait list that TCOM normally gets? My guess for all DO schools is that they generally have dig a little deeper than a lot of MD schools, but I wonder how many of the 230ish came off a wait list.
 
i don't think anyone has good data on this except the tmdsas system and the individual schools
people have been called off the waitlist in july but i suspect the waitlist is short after the tmdsas deadline and it's probably due to the domino effect from movement in the oos pool across all tx med schools (like somebody in another state gets their in-state spot and vacates their oos spot in tx etc.)
 
I was wondering how interviews went for people who've already interviewed there. My interview is on Aug. 9th.
 
Regarding the DO letter, I think if you're borderline in your stats, I'd definitely try and get one. If you're up there in your stats, you can probably be ok without it.

For purposes of hedging and looking way too far out into the future (and there arent different boards for different application years) does anybody know how deep into their wait list that TCOM normally gets? My guess for all DO schools is that they generally have dig a little deeper than a lot of MD schools, but I wonder how many of the 230ish came off a wait list.

I know quite a few people that moved in off the TCOM waitlist. So I'd imagine they have quite a bit of waitlist movement.
 
Regarding the DO letter, I think if you're borderline in your stats, I'd definitely try and get one. If you're up there in your stats, you can probably be ok without it.
Hence the mystery... (MCAt=36P, uGPA = sGPA = 4 and cGPA=3.69) Some have suggested that it may be because I might have the opportunity to go MD. I have also read that I should perhaps email Admissions with a letter of interest/intent. I am just waiting a bit till the next wave of invites. If I still don't get anything, I am planning on emailing them. I am sad quite honestly as I had high hopes. I have a 2 MD invites but still, really wanted this one as well.
Do you guys think it is too early to email them?
 
Hence the mystery... (MCAt=36P, uGPA = sGPA = 4 and cGPA=3.69) Some have suggested that it may be because I might have the opportunity to go MD. I have also read that I should perhaps email Admissions with a letter of interest/intent. I am just waiting a bit till the next wave of invites. If I still don't get anything, I am planning on emailing them. I am sad quite honestly as I had high hopes. I have a 2 MD invites but still, really wanted this one as well.
Do you guys think it is too early to email them?

Do you want to go to TCOM over the other MD school? If so, write them and tell them why...LOI. I think you are wise to wait one more round as to not come off as entitled, but I bet they are holding back because of the higher possibility that you will go MD.

If you are planning to go MD, don't write them, obviously. You will get an MD acceptance, if you've applied correctly, so I'd be sure to think about and know a great answer to why DO if you interview here.

Good luck to ya
 
Hence the mystery... (MCAt=36P, uGPA = sGPA = 4 and cGPA=3.69) Some have suggested that it may be because I might have the opportunity to go MD. I have also read that I should perhaps email Admissions with a letter of interest/intent. I am just waiting a bit till the next wave of invites. If I still don't get anything, I am planning on emailing them. I am sad quite honestly as I had high hopes. I have a 2 MD invites but still, really wanted this one as well.
Do you guys think it is too early to email them?
Relax man. It's only July. If all the schools stacked their 4.0/36 applicants at the beginning of the season there'd be way too much overlap, and then there'd only be the dumb folks left to interview near the end. If you don't get an invite by the time the late September interviews go out, then I might send in a letter. But even then, they've got time to interview up till January, and possibly into January as well.

TCOM is a REALLY good school. If it was an MD school, it would be one of the most popular picks in Texas. If you really want to go to TCOM, and can see yourself turning down other schools, then go ahead and send your letter sooner than later.
 
OK Thanks guys for the input.
I certainly do not want to appear as entitled. There is more to an application than stats. As for my desire to go to TCOM, I would pick it over to certain MD schools but not all, largely due to geography more than anything else. I live in Dallas, and given my financial responsibilities and issues, it could be the only way for to become a physician. So definitely a top choice.
I guess I will wait and see, and hope...

Thanks again for the input and continued support. Much appreciated. I wish you all the best of luck. Who knows, we may be classmates some day.
 
My MD mentor thinks TCOM has a very well run, high quality program. He said if it was an MD school it would easily rank in the mid tier.

An unrelated question: It looks like there is a large number of schools represented at TCOM. Does anyone in the know have an idea what the top three are? Also, where do the OOS students come from?

Just curious.
 
Hi guys I'm from OOS and I already had my TMDSAS and stuff filled out ready to be submitted, but I decided not to apply to Texas schools.

I have been thinking about submitting it mostly for TCOM and I wanted to know if you guys thought with my stats I have a good chance.

cGPA: 3.49 sGPA: 3.4 MCAT: 29O

You can look at my MDApps for more information.

What do you guys think?
 
Hi guys I'm from OOS and I already had my TMDSAS and stuff filled out ready to be submitted, but I decided not to apply to Texas schools.

I have been thinking about submitting it mostly for TCOM and I wanted to know if you guys thought with my stats I have a good chance.

cGPA: 3.49 sGPA: 3.4 MCAT: 29O

You can look at my MDApps for more information.

What do you guys think?

If you've got a good reason to want to be in Texas, I'd go ahead and apply. You've got a good shot if you can convince the ad-com that you want to go to school in Texas and/or you've got strong ties to Texas.
 
An unrelated question: It looks like there is a large number of schools represented at TCOM. Does anyone in the know have an idea what the top three are?

Looking at previous years threads, A&M is pretty highly represented.
 
I was wondering how interviews went for people who've already interviewed there. My interview is on Aug. 9th.

I'm pretty sure the first interview date is 7/31


Hence the mystery... (MCAt=36P, uGPA = sGPA = 4 and cGPA=3.69) Some have suggested that it may be because I might have the opportunity to go MD. I have also read that I should perhaps email Admissions with a letter of interest/intent. I am just waiting a bit till the next wave of invites. If I still don't get anything, I am planning on emailing them. I am sad quite honestly as I had high hopes. I have a 2 MD invites but still, really wanted this one as well.
Do you guys think it is too early to email them?

You really shouldnt have written in your secondary that you have a general dislike of people, hate hearing their sob stories, and are really just looking for a way to make a ton of cash. I think that is probably holding you back
 
there is one day during orientation that people wear their school t-shirt to show their school pride. from that and talking to upperclassmen, my guess for top three: ut austin, texas a&m, baylor (just a guess, i could be wrong).
oos students come from all over, most notably u of calif campuses, big ten schools, brigham young..
the variety is huge ranging from ivy league to school nobody ever heard of
 
Hi guys I'm from OOS and I already had my TMDSAS and stuff filled out ready to be submitted, but I decided not to apply to Texas schools.

I have been thinking about submitting it mostly for TCOM and I wanted to know if you guys thought with my stats I have a good chance.

cGPA: 3.49 sGPA: 3.4 MCAT: 29O

You can look at my MDApps for more information.

You're only competitive for TCOM, not other TX med schools, so I do not recommend that you apply, unless you've got money to spare and would like the cheap OOS tuition that TX offers. However, judging that you're applying broadly anyway, why not TCOM?

You're quite competitive for your home state New Mexico MD school, which you should go for first.
 
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Just got the interview invite today, 8/21 🙂! Super excited. I'm not sure if this was posted somewhere and I just missed it but could someone give a little overview of what kind of interviews TCOM does as well as a schedule of what the day will be like? Thanks!
 
You're only competitive for TCOM, not other TX med schools, so I do not recommend that you apply, unless you've got money to spare and would like the cheap OOS tuition that TX offers. However, judging that you're applying broadly anyway, why not TCOM?

You're quite competitive for your home state New Mexico MD school, which you should go for first.

I would love to go to UNM, but I realize that since they are the only school in my state I definitely don't want to put all my eggs in one basket and there are many schools around the country that I would love to go to.

I think I may add TCOM, because I could definitely see myself living in Texas. I will think about it a little more.
 
You really shouldnt have written in your secondary that you have a general dislike of people, hate hearing their sob stories, and are really just looking for a way to make a ton of cash. I think that is probably holding you back

At least it is not the part about partying all the time, with lots of booze!:laugh:
 
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Well now that we are less than a week away from interview time, does anybody have any good prep ideas?
 
My $.02:

1. Read something about osteopathic medicine, in case somebody asks. A good summary:
http://www.westernu.edu/osteopathy-philosophy
(The founding principles, which constitute the "holistic" approach, sound like common sense and in fact have been assimilated and adopted by others, but they were novel at the time. Be aware that modern DO training is practically identical to MD training with the addition of OMM).

2. Read something about our healthcare problem and "Obamacare" - what, why, when. This is a common interview topic.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande?printable=true
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303644004577523260331816978.html
(This is not a political litmus test. The interviewer just wants to see if you know what's going on and how well you present an argument with fact-based reasoning).

3. Read something about medical ethics, which is another common topic. Lots of good sources on the web - for example:
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/medical-ethics-for-dummies-cheat-sheet.html
http://dept.lamar.edu/biology/preprofessional/Medical school interview 71404.htm
(The Lamar website has great questions and hypotheticals, but some are irrelevant and outdated - we now have a physician shortage, not surplus. Just pick what you can use).

4. Review your application materials. Get ready to tell your story. Your interviewers have some basic info about you and not much else. They don't know your GPA or MCAT score (and they probably don't care). They want to know that you like this school, you work hard and play well with others, and you have the capacity to persevere and succeed in med school and beyond as a physician.

5. Plan your trip - transportation, hotel, map, etc. Get a suit if you don't have one. Dress conservatively, like you're applying for a corporate job. Look nice and professional.

Good luck to everyone!
 
Just got the interview invite today, 8/21 🙂! Super excited. I'm not sure if this was posted somewhere and I just missed it but could someone give a little overview of what kind of interviews TCOM does as well as a schedule of what the day will be like? Thanks!

The email from Caroline should have details, but in general interview day consists of a presentation, lunch, campus tour with current students, and two interviews (typically one interviewer is chosen from research faculty and one clinical; your interviewer may be a PhD, DO, or MD). The interviews are informal in tone and structure.
 
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My $.02:

1. Read something about osteopathic medicine, in case somebody asks. A good summary:
http://www.westernu.edu/osteopathy-philosophy
(The founding principles, which constitute the "holistic" approach, sound like common sense and in fact have been assimilated and adopted by others, but they were novel at the time. Be aware that modern DO training is practically identical to MD training with the addition of OMM).

2. Read something about our healthcare problem and "Obamacare" - what, why, when. This is a common interview topic.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande?printable=true
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303644004577523260331816978.html
(This is not a political litmus test. The interviewer just wants to see if you know what's going on and how well you present an argument with fact-based reasoning).

3. Read something about medical ethics, which is another common topic. Lots of good sources on the web - for example:
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/medical-ethics-for-dummies-cheat-sheet.html
http://dept.lamar.edu/biology/preprofessional/Medical school interview 71404.htm
(The Lamar website has great questions and hypotheticals, but some are irrelevant and outdated - we now have a physician shortage, not surplus. Just pick what you can use).

4. Review your application materials. Get ready to tell your story. Your interviewers have some basic info about you and not much else. They don't know your GPA or MCAT score (and they probably don't care). They want to know that you like this school, you work hard and play well with others, and you have the capacity to persevere and succeed in med school and beyond as a physician.

5. Plan your trip - transportation, hotel, map, etc. Get a suit if you don't have one. Dress conservatively, like you're applying for a corporate job. Look nice and professional.

Good luck to everyone!

Thanks for the info Costales 👍
 
Pretty much what Costales said. But I'll add a few things.

On an ethics question you need to answer confidently, no matter what you say. If you say something and they say "but what about ____," you should be prepared to defend your original point, show you have conviction and that you're not just trying to say what you think they want to hear.

Be prepared to address anything on your application, including any blemishes that may be there, or anything of interest. Last thing you want to do is look confused when an interviewer asks you something and you're trying to remember what he's talking about, or you're wondering "how did he know that"?

Be prepared to answer the question "Tell me about yourself?" It's very open ended, but you don't want to spend 20 minutes talking about your life since you were born. Your interviewer might not interrupt you if you just keep babbling on, and when you're done they might just look at you waiting for you to say more.

I've heard of someone's interviewer talking to them the whole time about college football, another about mostly barbecue, and another was pretty much all ethics questions. Interviews can vary widely.

Be prepared for having two interviewers in the room. Sometimes during the early interview dates, new faculty sit in on an interview or two to see how things are done. Even if one person is asking all the questions, make sure you make eye contact with both as you're answering.
 
Those websites are great. And so much good advice in this thread.

Thank you all so much! 🙂
 
My $.02:



4. Review your application materials. Get ready to tell your story. Your interviewers have some basic info about you and not much else. They don't know your GPA or MCAT score (and they probably don't care). They want to know that you like this school, you work hard and play well with others, and you have the capacity to persevere and succeed in med school and beyond as a physician.


Good luck to everyone!

How else are we suppose to explain low gpa or low mcat scores if they don't know it and don't care?
 
How else are we suppose to explain low gpa or low mcat scores if they don't know it and don't care?
If you've made it to an interview then they're willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on your GPA/MCAT.
 
Is anyone going to the TCOM recruitment weekend this Friday-Saturday? Did anyone go in the previous years and see any benefit/advantage of attending?
 
The email from Caroline should have details, but in general interview day consists of a presentation, lunch, campus tour with current students, and two interviews (typically one interviewer is chosen from research faculty and one clinical; your interviewer may be a PhD, DO, or MD). The interviews are informal in tone and structure.

Thanks a lot Costales! Didn't get the email when I posted so I was just wondering whether anyone had any info.
 
You don't have to worry about your GPA or MCAT in a closed-file interview. The fact that you're getting an invite means that the admissions people are comfortable with your academic performance, your stats are not a concern, and they want to talk about other things. Basically they want to check you out as a person and size you up as a prospective student. They also want to look for red flags like weirdness or communication issues.

Another thing I might add: Don't let your phone go off during the interview. Turn it off or put it on silent - not vibrate.

At any rate, come prepared, relax and be yourself. 🙂
 
Is anyone going to the TCOM recruitment weekend this Friday-Saturday? Did anyone go in the previous years and see any benefit/advantage of attending?
I'll be there Saturday. I doubt it will give me any type of leg up outside of having a better understanding of TCOM and what they like to tout before getting into the interview on Tuesday.
 
i think open-file is also like that in the sense that you've made the cut numbers wise. except that you're still at risk from an interviewer nit picking at your transcript and you could be subject to a gpa/mcat bias because the interviewer sees those numbers...
in closed file, the interviewer assumes everyone is the same academically.
 
According to the statistics TCOM offers acceptances to about 2/3 of the people they interview so that's good reason to relax. 🙂

(For the interviewees) [Which will hopefully be me soon!]
 
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