2009-2010 Case Western Reserve University Application Thread

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I am going to attempt to upload a picture I took today on my way home. For those of you not in Cleveland, you missed the one perfect fall day we have had for this year. Sorry. :meanie:

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I learned today that usually seminomatous germ cell tumors produce hCG, as do nonseminomatous germ cell tumors. HOWEVER, nonseminomatous germ cell tumors also produce alpha-fetoprotein. And that is how you can biochemically tell them apart, which is good to know at my stage since there's usually no path report given on Step 2. 😛

Hey, us lowly first years could have told you that! Choriocarcinoma of the testis (and uterine, of course) can also cause elevated hCG levels, as can an embryonal carcinoma. So the end results of all of it is that hCG is nearly useless for differentiating different kinds of testicular neoplasms. 😛
 
No! Try imageshack?
Good call. How about now? Wow, it looks even better all blown up! I shrank it down some more though, because that was just a little too out of control.

Hey, us lowly first years could have told you that! Choriocarcinoma of the testis (and uterine, of course) can also cause elevated hCG levels, as can an embryonal carcinoma. So the end results of all of it is that hCG is nearly useless for differentiating different kinds of testicular neoplasms. 😛
Well, the question I got was asking about a mediastinal mass, which turned out to be a nonseminomatous tumor based on the biochem. Go figure. I was thinking T-cell leukemia or thymoma based on its location. 😳
 
It really was a perfect fall day. Went for a run after work!

That's a wonderful picture! And it was a beautiful day in Detroit, as well! It was one of those reddish/bronze sunrises on my morning commute, where the light hit the treetops way before the ground, causing a neat effect.

Too bad I had to come home at 10 for a sick kid...Oh well! Still beats being at work! 🙂
 
I am going to attempt to upload a picture I took today on my way home. For those of you not in Cleveland, you missed the one perfect fall day we have had for this year. Sorry. :meanie:

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Nighttown?

They haven't sent out any rejections yet, if that's what you're asking.


I learned today that usually seminomatous germ cell tumors produce hCG, as do nonseminomatous germ cell tumors. HOWEVER, nonseminomatous germ cell tumors also produce alpha-fetoprotein. And that is how you can biochemically tell them apart, which is good to know at my stage since there's usually no path report given on Step 2. 😛

Didn't we have to learn that for Step 1? 😛 Not that I remember anything from boards study now that I've been on research for nearly 4 months...
 
Didn't we have to learn that for Step 1? 😛 Not that I remember anything from boards study now that I've been on research for nearly 4 months...
Oh puhleeze. I took Step 1 a year and four months ago! After being on rotations all this time, I'm lucky I even remember what a germ cell is. :meanie:

I just want you all to know that I made Punjabi eggplant for dinner tonight. It is excellent, for sure one of my better eggplant dishes. I think for second look we should do an eggplant potluck. I'd be willing to host. 😀
 
Outside of the warranties, those seem pretty intensely priced. My computer died on me about a week ago, and I picked up a laptop that is a little less powerful than those (but not by much) with the only really notable difference being the video for ~$500.

Unless I'm missing something...

The word from the IT people is that the warranties add substantially to the cost. However, with the amount of wear and tear they get from the average user, it's pretty worthwhile. I consider myself to be a pretty tech-savvy guy who takes good care of my computer and my motherboard still crashed a few weeks ago. Took it into the IT people and a new part was ordered and installed within a couple days.

From the FAQ in myuu's link:
Q: I can buy a Dell/Mac through my school or some other website for less than the price Case has listed on the website. Can I buy this one instead?
A: First off, make sure that you are comparing the same specifications. We compared a website that a prospective student sent to us last year. On the Dell D630, by the time we were done, the exact same laptop was just over $2,000 compared to the one we offered for $1,324. The biggest difference is the warranty which adds almost a couple hundred to our price and probably isn't included in your price. But, IF you can find a better price for the same computer, go for it. As long as it is the same hardware, we'll be able to provide full support for it. This applies to Dell and Apple only.
 
So for the people who are accepted - is this looking like your top choice currently? Because I am totally on board with the idea of ending up here.
 
Ok, so I'm having a bit of a crisis here. Can anyone point me in the direction of some info about the UP interview day?!? Mine is tomorrow, and I recieved all of the information about where to meet for my CCLCM interview in the e-mail, but there is nothing about how to get to the admissions office for the UP (if that's even where the day begins!). Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Ok, so I'm having a bit of a crisis here. Can anyone point me in the direction of some info about the UP interview day?!? Mine is tomorrow, and I recieved all of the information about where to meet for my CCLCM interview in the e-mail, but there is nothing about how to get to the admissions office for the UP (if that's even where the day begins!). Any help would be greatly appreciated.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=8791085&postcount=1987

Good luck
 
Anyone hear a post-interview acceptance or rejection from CCLCM yet? Will it be via email, status page, or phone?
 
Anyone hear a post-interview acceptance or rejection from CCLCM yet? Will it be via email, status page, or phone?

As CCLCMer posted 16 posts above yours, no rejections have been sent. Acceptances won't come until their big committee meeting in Dec.
 
Finally had the chance to see the College Track and University Program with my own eyes-- and I wasn't disappointed.

Wow. 👍

Mad props to everyone who made the experience awesome 🙂
 
Gosh.. I can't wait till CCLCM result to come out.. although... there's little chance..

Anyone know how the waitlist movement is like for CCLCM? I doubt there's a lot. I mean who reject 5-year full scholarship + long coat from 1st year.
 
ah. my interviewer was really nice but the questions were so tough today... i had fun though... definitely gave me a valuable experience and greater insight into the world of health care...
 
just got back home after my interview at case yesterday. the weather was beautiful and the school was beautiful. i think i have a new love 🙂 seriously though, i loved the whole vibe, the people, the curriculum, the teaching philosophy, everything was just so on point. and the one and half week turnaround time is sick! this school really skyrocketed to near the top of my "list" after yesterday! here is to hoping for some great news soon!!!
 
Just had my interview as well and was very surprised at how much I really enjoyed the interview day. The curriculum and the students seemed fantastic. The only drawbacks seemed to be the medical school building (it was kind of old...especially the lecture halls) and that you really have to search for things to do in the city. Still a great school I would be happy to attend!
 
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^ hi husky! lolz. i wonder who is omstr.

the Toronto part made figuring out who you are too easy, lol. i'll give ya hint, i'm tall (that should narrow it down to about four, lol)
 
Out of curiosity, which students did you guys meet? First-years have exams tomorrow and second-years are in musculoskeletal hell all week long.:laugh:



Edit: ...I suppose that's today. I should... sleep.
 
^ my student host, my student interviewer, and i did meet a few other students who really nice during the QandA, the tour, but also students that randomly popped by to say hi at the admissions office! really cool student body.

omstr, any chance ur name is omar? was there even an omar... its 4am in the morning and imm so tiredd... i recall a tall omar... i need better hints here.
 
Anyone hear a post-interview acceptance or rejection from CCLCM yet? Will it be via email, status page, or phone?
See below.
As CCLCMer posted 16 posts above yours, no rejections have been sent. Acceptances won't come until their big committee meeting in Dec.
Exactly. When acceptances do come in late December, there will only be approximately ten of them. They will all be given first by phone call, followed up by mail. CCLCM never communicates with applicants through Iapply.

Finally had the chance to see the College Track and University Program with my own eyes-- and I wasn't disappointed.

Wow. 👍

Mad props to everyone who made the experience awesome 🙂
Glad you enjoyed it. Good luck!

Gosh.. I can't wait till CCLCM result to come out.. although... there's little chance..

Anyone know how the waitlist movement is like for CCLCM? I doubt there's a lot. I mean who reject 5-year full scholarship + long coat from 1st year.
It's impossible to predict, which is why we don't overaccept. Last year I believe we had about 50-55 acceptances for 32 seats. So there may not be tons of waitlist movement, but there will be some. 🙂
 
They're still giving out invites, so don't give up hope yet. :xf:

It is so funny. I got an interview invitation from the college program last night (after I called yesterday and being told that I was still under review and no decision has been made yet!) ! I begin to think that just by thinking very hard to get in somewhere, I will. The adcoms get your wishes!
 
How many people do they interview each year for the college program? like 50/150? (acceptance/interviews)?
 
Gosh.. I can't wait till CCLCM result to come out.. although... there's little chance..

Anyone know how the waitlist movement is like for CCLCM? I doubt there's a lot. I mean who reject 5-year full scholarship + long coat from 1st year.
I doubt there's much waitlist movement. I feel like once people see what the program is really like, they spring CCLCM to the top of their list.

^ i tink thats cclcm and not UP
CCLCM = college program
 
I doubt there's much waitlist movement. I feel like once people see what the program is really like, they spring CCLCM to the top of their list.


CCLCM = college program


yeah dude. whats with quoting what i said and making a 😕 remark?
i dont see the need to clarify to me that the college program was CCLCM.
 
How many people do they interview each year for the college program? like 50/150? (acceptance/interviews)?

I think the Dean said 250.

^ i tink thats cclcm and not UP

CCLCM = college program

yeah dude. whats with quoting what i said and making a 😕 remark?
i dont see the need to clarify to me that the college program was CCLCM.

I'm confused as to why you're confused... y0g answered eyepop's question and then you said something that didn't make any sense in that context. That's why bryson17 clarified what you said.

ETA: For some reason, I find my second to last sentence really funny when I read it. :laugh:
 
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if you notice, i was suggesting that 250 might be a number better correlated with the amount of acceptances at UP, instead of being the number at cclcm.

i have no idea how stating cclcm = college program does any good in this conversation?

You are making me confused over why you are confused. I do not see how my suggestion did not make any sense because it is rather clear to me that my comment was directed at y0g's entire post which contains both the eyepop's quote and his own opinion.

If I'm wrong regarding the number of acceptances at UP, forgive me, but I see no need to suggest that I do not even understand what is CCLCM.

I hope this clarifies things, because I really do not understand how it is possible to be confused >.<
 
if you notice, i was suggesting that 250 might be a number better correlated with the amount of acceptances at UP, instead of being the number at cclcm.

i have no idea how stating cclcm = college program does any good in this conversation?

You are making me confused over why you are confused. I do not see how my suggestion did not make any sense because it is rather clear to me that my comment was directed at y0g's entire post which contains both the eyepop's quote and his own opinion.

If I'm wrong regarding the number of acceptances at UP, forgive me, but I see no need to suggest that I do not even understand what is CCLCM.

I hope this clarifies things, because I really do not understand how you can be confused.

The question was how many interviews does the college program give. He said 250. I think you mistook the original question to be number of acceptances, not interviews, that CCLCM gives. Do you see the confusion now?
 
if possible, please get back on track and confirm whether 250 is indeed the appropriate number for cclcm and not up. thanks.
 
The question was how many interviews does the college program give. He said 250. I think you mistook the original question to be number of acceptances, not interviews, that CCLCM gives. Do you see the confusion now?


sigh. it seems difficult to converse on an early morning Tuesday. =(

Yeah, it is good to know that 250 is the amount of interviews that CCLCM gives.
However, that is not the cause of confusion because the confusion did not start with our discussion of interview spots, but as to why bryson said
"cclcm = college program"

do you see ?👍 it did not answer the question and just seemed like it was mocking my understanding of case.

either ways, i still got the number wrong and hence perhaps i do NOT understand case well enough 🙁

haha but a had a really enjoyable time there yesterday...

yea, and the lack of sleep from flying must have made me suffer from reading disorders =(
i apologize for any confusion!
 
drats sdn is crappp

i apologized for the confusion in an edit and it didnt save. hopefully its just lagging.



*edit* YEES it did register 😀
and this is my 500th post. wow! and case has 43 pages on sdn.... wow.
 
Those that get a full scholarship to a 4 year medical school.

To each, his own. IF the idea is to get in and get out, sure. Then the math is truly "4 > 5". But I love research.

I like the UP alot, and I love the school, don't get me wrong. I have a difficult decision in the next few months, for sure!

But I had (sort of) an epiphany a couple of weeks ago...the lotto billboards caught my eye (two identical ones on my long commute in the morning) because the number hit $200M, a nice big, round number...so I did the driving-not-fully-aware-of-what-you-are-doing-auto-pilot-daydream thing and effortlessly came up with: "if I could go anywhere I was accepted, assuming I got the opportunity I'd go to CCLCM"...I think if you are research oriented, the opportunity to be trained by, and steeped in, a successful research organization is a golden chance. For me, the scholarship is completely secondary.

To quote Tolstoy (again):
"All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way”

Well, I can tell you first hand, the culture of a research team is much like a family, having been a part of several disfunctional teams! The culture of collaboration at Cleveland Clinic is possibly its greatest asset, be it in research or in patient care. I would jump at the chance to attend somewhere that has it right. That's not to say the place is perfect or politic-free (I'm not naive). Or that I am perfect for the program (or even stand a chance of getting in!) or that the program is perfect for anyone else. But they've got a good thing going, by my account.

For me, I intend to do research in medicine (and practice, of course) wherever I end up and that seems to resonate with the CCLCM mission statement. I respect your opinion, but I have to agree with my man H!🙂
 
To each, his own. IF the idea is to get in and get out, sure. Then the math is truly "4 > 5". But I love research.

I like the UP alot, and I love the school, don't get me wrong. I have a difficult decision in the next few months, for sure!

But I had (sort of) an epiphany a couple of weeks ago...the lotto billboards caught my eye (two identical ones on my long commute in the morning) because the number hit $200M, a nice big, round number...so I did the driving-not-fully-aware-of-what-you-are-doing-auto-pilot-daydream thing and effortlessly came up with: "if I could go anywhere I was accepted, assuming I got the opportunity I'd go to CCLCM"...I think if you are research oriented, the opportunity to be trained by, and steeped in, a successful research organization is a golden chance. For me, the scholarship is completely secondary.

To quote Tolstoy (again):
"All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way"

Well, I can tell you first hand, the culture of a research team is much like a family, having been a part of several disfunctional teams! The culture of collaboration at Cleveland Clinic is possibly its greatest asset, be it in research or in patient care. I would jump at the chance to attend somewhere that has it right. That's not to say the place is perfect or politic-free (I'm not naive). Or that I am perfect for the program (or even stand a chance of getting in!) or that the program is perfect for anyone else. But they've got a good thing going, by my account.

For me, I intend to do research in medicine (and practice, of course) wherever I end up and that seems to resonate with the CCLCM mission statement. I respect your opinion, but I have to agree with my man H!🙂

Oh, I totally agree with you. A lot depends on what you want to do with your career. I'm just saying that the majority of the few people that do turn down a CCLCM acceptance prolly got a full ride to a 4 year med school.

Come to the UP! Down with CCLCM! *starts humming the theme from West Side Story and snapping fingers* :laugh:
 
if possible, please get back on track and confirm whether 250 is indeed the appropriate number for cclcm and not up. thanks.
All of the last page's worth of posts are making me confused. :laugh:

Ok, let's take things step by step. We can even make a flow chart for all the Case thread freaks and geeks!

CCLCM has around 1500ish applicants. --> Of these, around 250 will be interviewed. --> Of these, around 50ish will be accepted. --> This will fill a final class size of 32.

Does that make sense to everyone? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Iceman77_7 may be able to provide similar numbers for the UP, because I don't know them.

Those that get a full scholarship to a 4 year medical school.
I'd say those that have other conflicting priorities. Sure, people care a lot about money, but especially for people who have their own families or otherwise have major issues they need to consider, sometimes coming here doesn't work out. I told you about that one example. 🙁

vc7777 said:
Well, I can tell you first hand, the culture of a research team is much like a family, having been a part of several disfunctional teams! The culture of collaboration at Cleveland Clinic is possibly its greatest asset, be it in research or in patient care. I would jump at the chance to attend somewhere that has it right. That's not to say the place is perfect or politic-free (I'm not naive). Or that I am perfect for the program (or even stand a chance of getting in!) or that the program is perfect for anyone else. But they've got a good thing going, by my account.
Here it is only October, and with all the acceptances you already have, I think it's fair to say that you've had a pretty good golden touch so far. If you told me which numbers to pick for the Ohio lotto, I might actually buy them. Keep the faith, my friend. :luck:

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Come to the UP! Down with CCLCM! *starts humming the theme from West Side Story and snapping fingers* :laugh:
We are so outnumbered. It's not fair. On the other hand, we are much better financed. Let's count our money!!! 😀

(I am sitting in one of the PBL rooms right now as I type this.)
 
We are so outnumbered. It's not fair. On the other hand, we are much better financed. Let's count our money!!! 😀

(I am sitting in one of the PBL rooms right now as I type this.)

Don't make me get the Haynie and Freeman mafias to come after your bodies.

//end of inside talk

I don't remember the exact numbers for the UP (they do change every year obviously), but it's probably around 4000 applications --> 1000-1100 interviews --> 400-450 acceptances --> 155-160 matriculants. The admissions office gives a presentation to the first year class during orientation or second look with these numbers, but I couldn't find it online anywhere.
 
Okay, all I have to say is 50/250 does not look good at all......and I am interviewing in January, which hopefully is not too late
 
Don't make me get the Haynie and Freeman mafias to come after your bodies.
That is SO last year. 😛

Okay, all I have to say is 50/250 does not look good at all......and I am interviewing in January, which hopefully is not too late
You're looking at this all wrong, and here's why. You are assuming that everyone who interviews has an equal chance of getting accepted. But actually, the 250 interviewees are NOT all equal. It's not like the adcomm fills a hat with everyone's names and randomly selects 10 of you out at the subcommittee meeting! Fit matters a lot at CCLCM, and the adcomm rates each of the applicants after their interviews during the regular bimonthly meetings. Some of the interviewees will be rock stars who the adcomm will almost certainly accept. Others will obviously not be right for this school, and those applicants may not even be considered by the adcomm during the subcommittee meetings (where acceptees are selected). A big chunk of people will be somewhere in the middle, but even there, all applicants are not equal. The moral of this story is that some of the 250 interviewees will have significantly better odds of getting in than 1/5, and others will basically have no chance. If you're in the first group, that will look awesomely good.

As for January being too late to have a chance of getting in, no, it's not. Search for the word semi-rolling in this thread to see my explanation of how the admissions system works here.
 
I learned today that usually seminomatous germ cell tumors produce hCG, as do nonseminomatous germ cell tumors. HOWEVER, nonseminomatous germ cell tumors also produce alpha-fetoprotein.

This very fact was the component of one of our histopath exam questions today and I thought of you! hahaha
 
This very fact was the component of one of our histopath exam questions today and I thought of you! hahaha
Nice! Glad I could do my part to contribute to your education. Let's see, what other interesting facts have I learned that might show up on future exams....when do you do neuro block? Just so you know, there are not any radiologic or lab tests used to diagnose Parkinson's. No tests have ever been shown to be superior compared to diagnosis based on history and physical exam alone. I got that one right, but I kind of guessed because I couldn't think of what findings would show up in CSF, CT, etc. Turns out there's a good reason for that!
 
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