2009-2010 Case Western Reserve University Application Thread

[bamtuba]

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I applaud that you stated your opinion and left it at that. 👍

As someone "on the outside looking in," I can appreciate someone voicing their concerns on a forum that is appropriate, such as this where potential students can be "warned."

This really does seem like the type of stuff though that happens pretty much anywhere: institution has issues, people can suck, people in charge don't have it all figured out, and finally, student thinks "these things" should be addressed.

Sounds like every job/school/organization with which I have been affiliated in my 28 years on this planet. But this is how change can be affected...I suppose...

 

[Bryson17]

Holy hell, you put a lot of effort into this rant.

What's MSPRC?

 

[CCLCMer]

I could make you a CCF one, if you'd like.

😍

What's MSPRC?

Medical School Promotions and Review Committee. I wrote this post explaining how our evaluation system works a while back, if you would like more details.

 

[Latetotheparty]

You are the ninja master...

You have no idea. Or maybe you do. I don't know what you saw...

And yeah, I'm usually up around 5:30 for work. I'm not a morning person, but you get used to it pretty quickly.

 

[BBender716]

More discussion about CCLCM/Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine

Note how the responses did not address the substance of the arguments that are posted under this thread yesterday on 11/10/09, please refer to that section to see the intial arguments. Don’t let them detract from the general post by their posts such as “use a spell check.” Infantile retorts like that are pretty much representative of the general way that CCLCM approaches dissent. They claim I initiated ad hominem attacks. However, when examined in light of the general gist of what I was writing, they are hardly ad hominem. The point of this is to off set the fact that if you take all the statements on this website from anyone at CCLCM from over the past 4-5 years you will not find a single balanced opinion. I challenge you to find a single critical statement that usually isn’t offset by the blanket statement, “its not for everyone.” Most other institutions have folks that will write about It’s a challenge I am presenting to you guys as a fellow CCLCM student… after all, one of the core competencies is reflective practice right? I challenge you all to provide a similar balanced view for our future applicants to the program. They deserve honesty and an understanding of how their schooling here will impact patient care and their education. The fact that our tuition is waved is no excuse to be grateful and not discuss both positives and negatives.

In regards to Deans and approaching them about these issues: do you actually attend CCLCM? Do you actually have to deal with the juvenile behavior or our administration which continues to alienate the best and brightest potential faculty??? Usually there is an algorithm in place when one approaches the administration and I will discuss that below in general environment.

General Environment:

Positive Point 1:
There are many folks on the wards who feel a certain investment in the medical school and do their best to impart knowledge. Despite the lack of a real representation of the classical medical school system, if you listen closely you can pick up many clinical pearls from folks who are at the leading forefront of medicine in nearly every specialty.

Negative Point 1:
All of this positive gain comes at the expense of sacrificing quiet a bit of academic freedom. You feel it right away when you walk into the library/medical school portion of the building. You have a dress code that Toby Cosgrove himself enforces at various junctures around the clinic complex. Anyone who has done research knows that places that far exceed the clinic, like the NIH, and places on the same benchmark at the clinic, like Mayo, which enforce certain dress codes for their clinicians do not enforce this on their research staff. One of the joys of academia is that when you are in the lab, you can maintain comfort and freedom and focus on the science. This is a minute point, but its just to set the tone.

Negative Point 2:
One of the worst things you can do is allow students to regulate each other. Everyone here has been in a premed class where they look around and at the very front are a set of kids that have laminated notes, high lighters, usually in their pajamas, and they have developed sore shoulders from the amount of times their hands go up to answer what are usually rhetorical questions. Well imagine a terrible scenario… imagine a situation where those same kids are allowed to regulate you. Yep, that’s right, those kids have a say in our medical education and how you speak, how you present, how you spend your free time, and even how you conduct your research. Remember, usually these kids are the loudest… they look at life as “we were nerds that were beat up a whole lot in elementary school when we learned how to brown nose and made fun of all the time and now we are the ones in charge… heads are going to roll because now we are on top!”

So the problem starts in PBL. Most of my critics here will have to admit that the year usually starts off with everyone being pretty friendly… by the middle of the year someone had cried in PBL, people are tired of the acrimony, and most just want to get it over with, hoping that the clinical years hold some element of autonomy from your fellow students.

I was lucky, I knew how to play the game, how to smile and nod and how to not get on anyone’s radar. Other folks, who I greatly admire for their intelligence and capabilities, were not so lucky. Here is why, and here is how the algorithm works:

• You are told that you are a self motivated learner. There is no set way to do PBL; everyone will find their own mojo.

• You go to PBL and the unfortunate thing is that your PBL tutor is pretty much a nonexpert in the field that you studying. So they bring in an endocrinologist to be a PBL tutor for cardiology. Worse scenarios were a private practice plastic surgeon that retired and was bought in to do HemeOnc/Immuno and a masters of engineering who was bought in to tutor microbio. The reasoning behind this is that every generalist physician requires the ability to generate a solid differential even if they bring consultants in on the case. However, this is a travesty of education when you are actually a part of it. You’ll see on years 3 and 4 clinical years that the usual MO of clinical practice is to stream line consulting a specialty service alongside doing a workup so that you have specialty guidance from the get go.

This is contrary to the more efficient new pathway program at Harvard where specialist experts in the field run the PBL so that it is useful and impose proper limits on the learning objectives by weeding out stupid ones. What ends up happening in these CCLCM scenarios is that the PBL tutors take a huge step back and allow the students to come up with these learning objectives to present on subsequently. Most of the time, they are many years out from a basic science education and feel a little timid stepping in and regulating the learning objectives.

• The learning objectives are generated and some of then are reasonable, but most of them are widely off the mark and are a wild goose chase. Often times, they are divided amongst the PBL group randomly. This is a huuuge contraindication to productivity. You see, a part of your evaluation comes from your “participation.” You may not want to feel out the case first and offer up reasonable learning objectives, but most folks are just throwing things out there in a wild approach that results in obscure learning objectives that are low yield for future clinical practice, the wards, or the boards. So you end up having to research a topic just because someone wanted to make sure that their end of block eval from their PBL tutor and colleagues lauded their participation. A more proper scenario would be that the person that suggests the archaic learning objective be forced to chase it down. That rarely happens though because the random allotment scenario is kept in play by these same people.

• The presentation format can be regulated by your peers. This is contrary to the mantra of self directed learning. Whereas you can save quiet a bit of time by doing a chalk talk or just a discussion approach and presenting one of these obscure learning objectives in a time efficient and delivery efficient manner, your peers may decide that they want to force your hand into doing a power point presentation. So now, you end up wasting twice as much time unless you do what I did and just cut and paste from emedicine onto your powerpoint slide to satisfy their foolish request. After all, on the wards you will see different styles of teaching and all are tolerated depending on whether the speaker delivers the gist of the message through the modality he chooses. This is important to consider because their only retort will be that forcing you to adapt to a different modality makes you learn to be effective in multiple media. It’s a fair argument, but it doesn’t hold water when you realize that the whole point of PBL is to impart info and the whole mantra is self directed learning.

The bottom line: your peers decided that you were not wasting as much time as they were and became upset that you might actually be studying and learning real pertinent info. They decide you need to waste as much time as they do and attempt to bring the smack down on you in the group discussion of how things are going. If you offer resistance and indicate that your chosen modality is the way you feel most comfortable, expect your even respectful disagreement to show up on your evaluations at the mid and end block periods. Your only way out is to push back hard and make it apparent to these folk that you will unite with like minded people and ensure that they take as a hard a hit on the evals as you will. This form or regulation tends to force them back and out of your comfort zone. An alternative approach is to get the group members to have to do the learning objectives that they suggest so that they end up wasting time in the unreasonable objectives they generate.

• Why does any of the above matter? It matters because passing on to the next year is based on these PBL evaluations. If you are devoted to truly learning and want to make the system more efficient, good luck. You will face tons of resistance and likely see it show up on the communications portion of your eval. One colleague of mine tried to address the issues above and received silencing feedback. Although this happened in one block, he was forced to put into the portfolio (more on this later) and despite it being a singular event, he had “remediate” this behavior as regulated by the medical school portfolio review committee. Remediation is a clever way to say, “bend over and find a way to document it.”

• Bottom line: your class mates will make the environment acrimonious and you will realize that your ability to speak your mind is severely limited by certain portions of your class. I believe that the school could find a median that would make feedback a more effective tool. The administration needs to set limits on what feedback means and indicate that you cannot use feedback as an enforcement tool to make someone’s life miserable. They could also make PBL more fruitful for everyone involved… instead they insist that it yields many valuable tools for clinical and basic science analysis and point to their high average step 1 score (without realizing that this has more to do with the fact that we pretty much ignore what they make us do in PBL or minimize its interference, avoid preparing for the obscure seminars, and study from sources that they do not indicate as proper sources. So if you want to be an environment where brown nosers can make your life a bitter one, then CCLCM is the place for you.

• I can give you the sad scenario of one student who simply dressed different and looked different with longer hair and darker colored clothes. In a feedback meeting he criticized what he thought was an inadequate set of seminars that would not give him the basis for his medical knowledge. Soon thereafter, his classmates reported him to the administration, asserting that they felt physically threatened by him. I know him personally and can tell you that not a single statement was made by this individual to any extent ever that would warrant this. He was subsequently forced to see a psychiatrist and write about these impressions others had off him. I think that this was a massively unfortunate event where the deans did not set the tone for inter student interactions and punish those students that cried wolf and created a terrible and harassing situation for this student. Certainly, every administration official has to take action when other students feel “threatened” but they also have to learn to be administration officials and not expand the comfort zone with other students so much as to allow them to use the administration as silencing tools. Those two students that reported this other student ought to have themselves been bought to the MSPRC for professionalism infractions for improperly utilizing resources and wasting everyone’s time.

Negative Point 3:

• There is a lack of standardization because of too many cooks being in the kitchen. Everyone has different Physician Advisors. Some advisors are meticulous and go through your portfolio and feedback with a fine tooth comb, making you address things that most reasonable people would overlook. Other PAs let their students get away with a whole lot. This is another huge frustration; if you get stuck with the wrong PA you can pretty much expect a long haul of having to walk on crap cake patties throughout medical school. You will have to sacrifice quiet a bit of time to correcting minutiae in portfolio documentation and will definitely question which degree you deserve more at the end of the day, a masters of English Writing or an MD. You will sacrifice many hours of learning clinical pearls, research techniques, and basic science knowledge because these PAs will steal that time from you.

Negative Point 4:

• The MSPRC itself is a barely regulated committee. They make it apparent that the appeal option is a nonoption. In fact, the head of the committee has made it apparent to various folks that if they exercise the appeal option it will be held against them. That is utterly unjust. They have punitive action against students for what they deemed as arrogance or lack of serious tone. They claim that they de-subjectify each portfolio. If this is the case, how then do they decide that they can demand punitive action based on tone?
• The school also has a PA committee. In the initial charter of the school, there was never anything in writing that indicated that this committee would form a one way valve that lead to MSPRC action. In the interim, PAs can get together and decide that a certain simple action on the part of the student ought to be referred forward to the MSPRC who will, more often than not, take punitive action. As examples, one PA, also the head of one clinical block at the clinic, who demands that he/she be called DOCTOR if someone forgets to address their email to him/her with the proper title, took action in the following way: he/she decided that one student had that student’s life out of order and intervened. He/She then decided to refer this student to the MSPRC for a professionalism infraction because this student had not responded to a distant email in a timely fashion. Prior to this, he/she had never bought this up as an issue. He/She sort of waited and sprang this maneuver on this student in such way that ambushed this student that trusted the PA with personal details. Its ridiculous that under the blanket of professionalism accusations, students can be bought to the MSPRC without any consideration or safety valve to prevent irrelevant punitive action. In any other medical school this student would be treated like an adult and he/she would manage their own life.
• So to answer certain criticisms, to go the deans is to then bring yourself under an intense scrutiny that will likely result in a referral to the MSPRC for one thing or another just to bring you into silence.
• The MSPRC has yet to find a way to take the subjective approach out of the portfolio. The portfolio is basically the document that addresses a set of 9 competencies or so that you have to prove you fulfilled using “evidence.” Its supposed to be evidence based and an honest representation. The PA is the check and balance on the student. Unfortunately, as I said before there is no standardization across the board. Many PAs just want to get the job done and allow the student to use the portfolio as a spring board to ignore negative and spin them into positives. This is hardly an honest approach. Other PAs demand a bit of balance out of their students. The unfortunate result is that the MSPRC will usually provide students like me with an end of the year assessment that makes me look like the second coming of Jonas Salk. Others are less fortunate and the balance demanded of them gets them less than accolades and often times demands for futile remediation.

More to come later with discussions of the system and its impact on the Boards and the Wards.

someone's upset with their free education 🙄

(yes I realize this is an ad hominem attack)

 

[CCLCMstudent]

I am a CCLCM student and I am really shocked at this tirade but I am also realizing with increasing certainty that this may be a student who was removed from the institution for a gross failure to meet expectations.

Every school has its issues, and I will acknowledge ours as honestly as I can. Additionally, I share the sentiment of this poster regarding the one-sided nature of CCLCM’s representation by a single individual (CCLCMer) as biased. Mostly that is because I generally don’t agree with her explanations of the way CCLCM functions or her viewpoints, but not because it is unnecessarily rosy. With a small school (we have 32 a class), there simply aren’t going to be as many people posting- statistically that makes sense.

To start, I agree with very little of what has been said and in some cases I feel that these descriptions are far enough off base that I wonder what the agenda of this individual could be at this time beside anger and frustration at their dismissal.

Research:

The first research block is rough in terms of the basic science curriculum and in my opinion not quite appropriate in depth. Most students end up studying pertinent biochem on their own. The most important component of the first basic summer is learning how to function in a group setting (PSS groups are the precursor to PBL). No, it’s not the most efficient use of your time, but neither is PBL. I felt the actual research component was excellent and I had a great experience. Many of my classmates continued their research into the year and were able to publish their work. Regarding the proposals, these were extremely helpful to me and to the majority of the people I’ve spoken to. I know several people who literally copied and pasted their research proposals and submitted them to receive grants because the quality was so high. This goes for the second research block as well. I think writing these proposals and having feedback from people who legitimately write these grants and routinely get them funded was a good experience and I think it made me a better scientist.

The second block is nuts with biostats and statistics. It is essentially a master’s level course in biostats and epi in the span of 1.5 months. I disagree with the idea that people left not knowing the basics of stats when they left. If you are paying attention during this block and have any sense of scholarship, you will not leave feeling that way. The portion about reproducing P-values from NEJM is completely untrue. If you want to screw around and learn nothing, you can probably do that too. I had a good experience with my research and so did many others. One of the benefits of this school in general is that you can pick your clinical research advisor from any of the faculty. That means you can be working with the best (insert specialist here) in the world as an M2 and make excellent connections that may last you through your career (many people have done this). It is generally a more laid back block and again the mock IRB proposal was very helpful.

This year we had 5 HHMI Cloister Scholars, 2 HHMI Fellows, a Doris Duke Fellow, a CRTP Fellow, and a Sarnoff Fellow. I think we’re doing OK with writing grants.

The egregious examples of thesis abuse are news to me, and given that there are so few of us, I think that wouldn’t be the case if it was true. There is always a way to spin things to make them sound terrible but usually there is something else going on that makes things happen the way that they do. No one is out to get you and this portion sounds relatively paranoid and personal.

Overall, yes there is too much biochem, mol bio, and epi for a medical student to need or ever use, even in research. The good thing is that no one is testing you on this. If you want to be a superstar, you can. If not, don’t.

Clinical:

This is more off target than anything else written here. I think at one point the poster is complaining that Clinic students don’t do enough scut (?). Scut is not something you need to learn, it’s something you do if you need to help the team when they are short or if you go to a residency program where you don’t have enough ancillary help. It is not instructional, it is not formative, and it is really not necessary when you have the kind of resources the Clinic has. Yeah, you don’t need to deal with tracking down phone numbers or info for your patients because we have people at the Clinic who have that as their only priority (patient service reps). Boo hoo.

As far as the instructional experience, I completely disagree. If you are hardworking and affable, staff loves you and because of the low student: faculty ratio, you can be exposed to whatever you want. I really believe the clinical education here is what you make of it (This is a theme you will hear repeated). If you want to see and do everything, you can. If you want to hide and do very little, you can get away with that too but you will probably hear about it in your evals. The observer-ship business is simply untrue and I find it pretty unsavory that anyone would belittle the educational environment that tremendously in such a boldfaced manner. And all of this business about students hiding in the lounge makes no sense. I’ve never seen this is in my years in there except for the occasional M3-5 on call.


Dress Code:

This is a complaint? You’re between the ages of 22 and 30 at this stage in your life. Most people have real jobs and have to get dressed. Our school is in a hospital and patients are walking by- have some respect for them if you don’t for yourself and put on a shirt with buttons.

PBL:

PBL is not an efficient learning method. Not at CCLCM, not at HST, not anywhere. It is not built for efficiency. Personally, I could have done without PBL but I fought through it like everyone else. The students policing students is a bit off but there is some truth to it. If you upset your classmates, you will hear about it and I think that there should be a better method than simply the evaluations because they can get to be a bit much. Also, this is a small school and there is no individual who fit your “long dark hair” anecdote. Sorry. Also at no point were there any instances where individuals were forced to do PPT presentations in my class or in those before and after that I know of. I routinely did chalk-talks in M2 and they were well received. Hell, a few times I even just put up one slide and had a 15 minutes discussion on the topic sharing what I had learned.

I will admit freely and openly that your education at the Clinic is too dependant on your PA. If your PA is lax and easygoing, you may not get enough direction. If your PA is overbearing, they can make you pretty miserable at times. Something needs to be done about this and there’s no sugarcoating this issue. The PA meeting committee is superfluous in my opinion and needs to be addressed. The administration needs to chillax a little all around and stop micromanaging in the preclinical years and let us out from under the magnifying glass. That’s my biggest issue with the school to date.

Curriculum:

If you don’t want to go nuts over a seminar and read all the assigned reading, don’t. Don’t care about a research topic? Go to seminar and then move on. No one is testing you on it, so you don’t need to memorize it. We don’t even have class on Thursday! I always say that CCLCM gives you a skeleton in which you need to fill in the remainder. Like everything else at this school, you have the resources and you need to study on your own to learn the material. You won’t learn it from PBL and seminar alone. You need to read and study. Just like any other medical school. We are barely in class compared to many places so I don’t feel like that’s hard.

Cleveland as a city:

I make myself feel better by remembering that Hopkins is in Baltimore. 😳

In General:

Every school has its problems. To be this entirely consumed by issues like this is worrisome and I hope the individual posting has some way they can resolve this issues to get some relief. It does seem like some things have been greatly exaggerated or completely falsified for effect and that’s just not cool. Also, I'm mad at you for getting me riled up enough to have to take the time to write this counter-rant (crant?). The vast, vast majority of students at CCLCM will not agree with what this poster has written.

To sum it up yes there are some issues the school needs to address. I am not a blind cheerleader for the school (in fact some times I’m pretty critical) but I’m happy I came. This is really a place where you get out what you invested in your education.



I think we have some of the brightest students, best faculty, and one of the best hospitals in the world at our disposal and those are three things that it’s really hard to complain about.

 

[Latetotheparty]

Second Look has been announced: April 9-11!

Bad news for those of us who were also accepted to Ohio State...that's when they scheduled theirs too. What do I do?!?! I was banking on those Second Looks helping me decide!!

Yeah, I'm pretty bummed by this.

 

[TruthieGoodness]

Thank you CCLCM student. That was all i was asking for, a balanced presentation. You said it well. The rest of the responses were juvenile enough to make me swear off this network. I trust you can continue to provide a balanced view of both Case and the Clinic. Signing off permanently because SDN stinks.

 

[Myuu]

You have no idea. Or maybe you do. I don't know what you saw...

And yeah, I'm usually up around 5:30 for work. I'm not a morning person, but you get used to it pretty quickly.

Oh, man. I used to do that too, but it only cut the morning transit time by 20 minutes, so I pretty much gave up on that.

It took me an hour and a half (sometimes more) to go 20 measly miles!

 

[Latetotheparty]

Oh, man. I used to do that too, but it only cut the morning transit time by 20 minutes, so I pretty much gave up on that.

It took me an hour and a half (sometimes more) to go 20 measly miles!

It's not entirely by choice. Work starts at 7, and I have to leave ~6:30. And tomorrow is my sixth straight day of work. I figure it's a good warmup for what's to come. 😉

 

[dingyibvs]

am i the only one who noticed the porn on case med's forums? lol

 

[Nafis64]

have any college invites been going out or are they slower than the UP?

 

[BBender716]

am i the only one who noticed the porn on case med's forums? lol

Any current UPers like to take this one?

 

[Myuu]

Any current UPers like to take this one?

Trying to figure out who to notify.😳

 

[266202]

To sum it up yes there are some issues the school needs to address. I am not a blind cheerleader for the school (in fact some times I’m pretty critical) but I’m happy I came. This is really a place where you get out what you invested in your education.

Thank you for your input. 👍 It's really nice to see these critical posts.

However, I severely disapprove of the personal attacks in other posts; there's simply no reason to take such an aggressive tone against others who are taking the time to share his or her thoughts.

Still, learning about the potential strengths and weaknesses of a program keeps me returning to SDN--despite its pitfalls--and I wanted to thank everyone for their contributions to date.

I honestly hope the constructive criticisms can continue, but please be civil about it. I am getting tired of reading posts with a bitter taste in my mouth.

Back to ninja mode.

 

[dingyibvs]

Trying to figure out who to notify.😳

you mean those aren't pics of student hosts?

 

[BBender716]

you mean those aren't pics of student hosts?

😆

 

[Myuu]

you mean those aren't pics of student hosts?

. . .

 

[brooklynblunder]

wow rent in cleveland really gets you far. i was looking through the housing part of the forum and those are some nice cribs

 

[dingyibvs]

and there i was, thinking i was in for a wild night of debaunchery in cleveland... :: sighs ::, life, oh cruel life.

 

[FluffyRabbit]

wow rent in cleveland really gets you far. i was looking through the housing part of the forum and those are some nice cribs

Nooo, don't rub it in my Bay Area face... the rent I pay now hurts enough as it is. 🙁

 

[brooklynblunder]

i'm pretty sure rockaction knows which second day to attend now

 

[BBender716]

slam dunk! lol

 

[dingyibvs]

bbl, now you got me looking too, rent sounds pretty cheap

 

[twoinone]

did those of y'all who got accepted in the most recent batch(committee meeting on Nov 2nd) , get anything in the mail yet?

 

[Meat]

did those of y'all who got accepted in the most recent batch(committee meeting on Nov 2nd) , get anything in the mail yet?

No, I haven't yet either. Maybe Case is just taking their time sending out packets.

 

[rockaction]

i'm pretty sure rockaction knows which second day to attend now

score!!

 

[CCLCMer]

am i the only one who noticed the porn on case med's forums? lol

😱 😳

Trying to figure out who to notify.

I don't know who to tell about that either. I never use those forums.

have any college invites been going out or are they slower than the UP?

They have been going out. I'm not sure where the adcomm is right now with the screening. How long has it been since you were complete?

i'm pretty sure rockaction knows which second day to attend now

👍

 

[Myuu]

I don't know who to tell about that either. I never use those forums.

Proper authorities have been notified.👍

 

[dingyibvs]

Proper authorities have been notified.👍

Good, now future applicants won't be disappointed when they see the real hosts

 

[bannie22]

Truthieegoodness. It was an honour browsing your post. In fact, even before attending a IQ section at Case, I had given this scenario some thought, and actually popped this question during my interview at Case (to the student interviewer), hoping that I would get a response as to how his actual IQ had gone in his first two years...

I asked this because when I was at case and sitting through an IQ, I felt it was not entirely condusive for studying. It was not teh entire group participating. but i am glad to have noticed this. and i guessits always difficult to compare to harvard because of their resources and prestige (attracting specialists)

 

[Myuu]

Truthieegoodness. It was an honour browsing your post. In fact, even before attending a IQ section at Case, I had given this scenario some thought, and actually popped this question during my interview at Case (to the student interviewer), hoping that I would get a response as to how his actual IQ had gone in his first two years...

I asked this because when I was at case and sitting through an IQ, I felt it was not entirely condusive for studying. It was not teh entire group participating. but i am glad to have noticed this. and i guessits always difficult to compare to harvard because of their resources and prestige (attracting specialists)

With respect to IQ, are you referring to the university program or to cclcm?

(The reason I ask is that they are almost completely different at the two institutions, though we all fall under the umbrella of Case. As far as UP goes, you don't go to IQ to learn something. You go to IQ to talk about what you learned.)

 

[Myuu]

Well, that's definitely a problem. Rockaction, since you're my acceptance twin, if you find out anything about this let me know? I'm going along the same lines, maybe do an unofficial OSU visit? I guess it is a good problem to have though haha.

You can do an unofficial Case visit (for UP at least), so long as you talk to us about it first. The only reason, really, that you have to tell us about it is that we want you to see a day where the students are a) present and b) not in exams. So, if you've been accepted and you still want a chance to see what goes on here from day to day (and aren't expecting the full-on second look programming), talk to us!


Edit: Ok, wow. 12 hours between these two posts and no intervening discussion? Wake up guys (and ladies)! 😀

 

[Bryson17]

You can do an unofficial Case visit (for UP at least), so long as you talk to us about it first. The only reason, really, that you have to tell us about it is that we want you to see a day where the students are a) present and b) not in exams. So, if you've been accepted and you still want a chance to see what goes on here from day to day (and aren't expecting the full-on second look programming), talk to us!


Edit: Ok, wow. 12 hours between these two posts and no intervening discussion? Wake up guys (and ladies)! 😀

Wow, way to synchronize your posting so that it's exactly every 12 hours.

Sorry, I won't contribute to the second look discussion. I may contribute if I get an accept to CCLCM!

 

[Myuu]

Wow, way to synchronize your posting so that it's exactly every 12 hours.

Sorry, I won't contribute to the second look discussion. I may contribute if I get an accept to CCLCM!

Decisions for that are coming up in about a month, yeah? Good luck!👍🙂

 

[Bryson17]

Decisions for that are coming up in about a month, yeah? Good luck!👍🙂

Something like that. Thanks!

 

[CCLCMer]

Decisions for that are coming up in about a month, yeah? Good luck!👍🙂

Yes, we are down to the final month already. This year is just flying by....though I guess it may not be flying by fast enough for some of you applicants. 😛

 

[TheFreak]

anyone applying to CCLCM and UP that hasn't had a status update in a while? I've been complete since early Sept and haven't gotten a status change yet.

 

[Myuu]

?!? x2!? 🙁 I think we should have an adcomm-cage-match-showdown to see who gets to have that weekend! I wonder if this is done on purpose?

And because I forgot to address this earlier, this was not on purpose. Rather, it was unfortunately unavoidable. 🙁

 

[rockaction]

And because I forgot to address this earlier, this was not on purpose. Rather, it was unfortunately unavoidable. 🙁

You are TEARING ME APART, Case and OSU!!!

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[Myuu]

It doesn't have to be this painful!

You can do an unofficial Case visit (for UP at least), so long as you talk to us about it first. The only reason, really, that you have to tell us about it is that we want you to see a day where the students are a) present and b) not in exams. So, if you've been accepted and you still want a chance to see what goes on here from day to day (and aren't expecting the full-on second look programming), talk to us!

 

[zebalong]

Myuu...

If i live in university circle, do I really need a car if i choose to go to Case? I know metro is far, is there any public transit to get there?

 

[iceman77_7]

Myuu...

If i live in university circle, do I really need a car if i choose to go to Case? I know metro is far, is there any public transit to get there?

For the first two years, no, but on rotations you'll want a car.

 

[Myuu]

Myuu...

If i live in university circle, do I really need a car if i choose to go to Case? I know metro is far, is there any public transit to get there?

Eh, you could take the bus, but chances are there's another student headed that way anyway. The car is handy if you want to go grocery shopping somewhere other than the Dave's that's a mile on foot up Murray Hill.

(And after the first two years, you're going to need one, just like iceman said.)

 

[archimedesxx]

Hey Myuu,iceman and other case students, has Case resolved its partnership with Cleveland Clinic? The last time I heard they wanted to partner with Penn or some other school. How wack is that! Please let me know

 

[iceman77_7]

Hey Myuu,iceman and other case students, has Case resolved its partnership with Cleveland Clinic? The last time I heard they wanted to partner with Penn or some other school. How wack is that! Please let me know

As of now, there are no immediate plans for CCLCM to align with another med school.

 

[zebalong]

Eh, you could take the bus, but chances are there's another student headed that way anyway. The car is handy if you want to go grocery shopping somewhere other than the Dave's that's a mile on foot up Murray Hill.

(And after the first two years, you're going to need one, just like iceman said.)

Cleveland weather is too scary to drive in! 😱

 

[Myuu]

Cleveland weather is too scary to drive in! 😱

It's not Canada!

 

[CCLCMer]

If i live in university circle, do I really need a car if i choose to go to Case? I know metro is far, is there any public transit to get there?

There are a handful of people who get by with no car even for the clinical years, but it does make things a lot harder if you don't have a car. Like everyone else already said, most students in both programs at minimum get cars after second year. Our program actually recommends that people have cars the whole time, starting in fall of first year. If you decide not to have a car, it is probably not realistic to rotate at Metro. There is no direct public transportation from the University Circle area to Metro, and it's going to be a huge hassle. Trust me, rotations are hard enough without extra transportation hassles!

Hey Myuu,iceman and other case students, has Case resolved its partnership with Cleveland Clinic? The last time I heard they wanted to partner with Penn or some other school. How wack is that! Please let me know

There are always rumors about CCLCM breaking off from Case and affiliating with another school, but there doesn't seem to be any imminent chance of that happening. At the very least, it won't be happening with Penn. You may find this article that was published recently in the Cleveland Plain Dealer interesting.

 

[Myuu]

We fell to the second page. I'm not cool with that.