2015-2016 Rosalind Franklin University Application Thread

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You're new to this thread aren't you? RFUMS plays it pretty close to the chest. Seems most people are waitlisted post-interview, however, that list seems to move. 4-6 weeks for a response post interview. They've reportedly pulled from waitlist the day before classes start.

It's interesting how often we say interesting now. Can confirm they drop the lowest interview score. Don't know about the highest though, but hey, that's what they do for the Olympics.

Edit: I too sent a thank you email. Got the automated not-accepting-updates-response. Doesn't mean they didn't see it and appreciate the sentiment. This is the Midwest we're talking about so mind your manners.
FWIW I did not send thank you letters to 2 out of the 5 schools I interviewed and those are the only 2 schools I have been accepted to thus far (RFU was one of those schools).

Thank you letters are a nice gesture but more than likely do not affect admissions decisions.


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FWIW I did not send thank you letters to 2 out of the 5 schools I interviewed and those are the only 2 schools I have been accepted to thus far (RFU was one of those schools).

Thank you letters are a nice gesture but more than likely do not affect admissions decisions.


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Next your gonna tell me Santa isn't real.
FWIW I did not send thank you letters to 2 out of the 5 schools I interviewed and those are the only 2 schools I have been accepted to thus far (RFU was one of those schools).

Thank you letters are a nice gesture but more than likely do not affect admissions decisions.


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So you're saying that shinning my shoes probably didn't help either?
 
Next your gonna tell me Santa isn't real.


So you're saying that shinning my shoes probably didn't help either?
Please keep the responses on-topic, respectful, and professional. I'm sure everyone here would appreciate it. No need for trolling here.


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One of my interviewers looked at me when I finished at their station and said "can you imagine if this is how badly your first station of the day went...good luck!"

Quite naturally, I was accepted less than 4 weeks later with a monster scholarship...

Was that a huge insult or a huge compliment? I can't tell.
 
Haha how could that be conceived as a compliment?

Oh, I think I understand now, haha. It might not be worth explaining, but if your first interviewer had said that to you and the expectation was that you'd do badly on your first station, the interviewer could have been saying that you did well and it's only up from there. But I understand what he/she was really saying now, and that's actually by far the harshest thing I've heard of an interviewer saying! One of my frustrations with this process has been that interviewers don't really give any sort of feedback. They are told to either give you a good impression regardless of your performance, or to give no impression--from what I've heard at least. Interesting that the interviewer was so blunt with you, and I'm glad to hear it worked out in the end.
 
One of my interviewers looked at me when I finished at their station and said "can you imagine if this is how badly your first station of the day went...good luck!"

Quite naturally, I was accepted less than 4 weeks later with a monster scholarship...
Great example of how much commmunication is nonverbal. With only these words there at least half a dozen ways this could be interpreted. All you fancy Nancy future doctors there take note and remember this when your talking to your first crackhead in the E.R.


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Anyone know what the post-interview acceptance rate is here? Also, what time are decisions usually released? Thanks!
For IS, 52 matriculated out of 135 interviewed. Assuming a 2:1 ratio, that's 77%.
For OOS, 128 matriculated out of 431 interviewed. Assuming a 2:1 ratio, that's 60%.

Of course, I have no idea what their acceptance:matriculation ratio actually is; based on what I've read on SDN and elsewhere 2:1 is generally a pretty safe estimate. But theirs could be closer to 1:1 or 3:1 for all I know.

And not to split hairs, but your acceptance is not a matter of statistics. It is an event that has not been observed yet. 😉
 
One of my interviewers looked at me when I finished at their station and said "can you imagine if this is how badly your first station of the day went...good luck!"

Quite naturally, I was accepted less than 4 weeks later with a monster scholarship...
I found it strange that we were specifically warned that the interviewers were trained not to give any indication of how the interview went, and then a few of my interviewers gave direct feedback to me during and after my interviews.
 
I found it strange that we were specifically warned that the interviewers were trained not to give any indication of how the interview went, and then a few of my interviewers gave direct feedback to me during and after my interviews.

Honestly, I find it strange to post on SDN taking about that. The interviewers are human beings, and compassionate or caring individuals empathize with being in the hot seat. They thought it would be nice to comfort you or give some constructive criticisms. I'd take it and go 😉


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For IS, 52 matriculated out of 135 interviewed. Assuming a 2:1 ratio, that's 77%.
For OOS, 128 matriculated out of 431 interviewed. Assuming a 2:1 ratio, that's 60%.

Of course, I have no idea what their acceptance:matriculation ratio actually is; based on what I've read on SDN and elsewhere 2:1 is generally a pretty safe estimate. But theirs could be closer to 1:1 or 3:1 for all I know.

And not to split hairs, but your acceptance is not a matter of statistics. It is an event that has not been observed yet. 😉

So that's not total acceptances right? Because they probably accept more than the 180 over the course of the cycle
 
Honestly, I find it strange to post on SDN taking about that. The interviewers are human beings, and compassionate or caring individuals empathize with being in the hot seat. They thought it would be nice to comfort you or give some constructive criticisms. I'd take it and go 😉


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Oh, believe me, I liked it! It was just not what I was expecting. The way the prepped us beforehand I was expecting them just to stare at us expressionless, but that was not the case for many of the interviews, which made the whole experience more enjoyable for me.
 
So that's not total acceptances right? Because they probably accept more than the 180 over the course of the cycle
Right, that's the people who actually matriculated. MSAR does not have acceptance data, only matriculation data. We have to toy with the numbers a little bit in order to get an idea of the actual percentage percentages. I don't think there are any schools that accept exactly the number of students they want in their class, because some amount of accepted students will go to a different school. For each school, that number is different and affects the overall acceptance:matriculation ratio.
 
I'd be very surprised if they didn't send out post-interview decisions for some people this week. Looks like the last acceptances were sent nearly a month ago.


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I'd be very surprised if they didn't send out post-interview decisions for some people this week. Looks like the last acceptances were sent nearly a month ago.

Did anyone actually get accepted a month ago (on this thread, or otherwise)? I only saw alternate lists.
 
Did anyone actually get accepted a month ago (on this thread, or otherwise)? I only saw alternate lists.
Upon further investigation, you're right. According to SDN, the last time they actually sent out acceptances was 1/5, more than two months ago...
 
So the past month or two of interviews were for the alternate list? If so, I wish they were upfront about it.

I would not necessarily make that assumption. Rosalind in general( from the beginning) wait lists many and accepts and denies less... and that wait list tends to have movement because of that. Right now, numbers are starting to shuffle. Who is going to actually matriculate? Who is going elsewhere? Things are in flux. Stay patient.
 
So the past month or two of interviews were for the alternate list? If so, I wish they were upfront about it.
I don't think that's necessarily true. Not every person who gets in will post about it, for one thing. Also based on what I've read in this thread, they like to send out big bursts of acceptances (both direct and off the waitlist). Furthermore, in past threads that I have read because I'm not a healthy man, they have given direct acceptances for interviews well into the spring. Finally, the idea of interviewing for the waitlist simply doesn't make sense. If I've learned anything throughout this process, it's that medical schools want to take the path of least resistance. Why would they arrange interviews until April 28th, which requires staff and more application review, if they know for a fact that the class is already full and they already have a long waitlist?


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I don't think that's necessarily true. Not every person who gets in will post about it, for one thing. Also based on what I've read in this thread, they like to send out big bursts of acceptances (both direct and off the waitlist). Furthermore, in past threads that I have read because I'm not a healthy man, they have given direct acceptances for interviews well into the spring. Finally, the idea of interviewing for the waitlist simply doesn't make sense. If I've learned anything throughout this process, it's that medical schools want to take the path of least resistance. Why would they arrange interviews until April 28th, which requires staff and more application review, if they know for a fact that the class is already full and they already have a long waitlist?


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Highly agree with this. RFU interviews about 48 people most Fridays so they make decisions on >150ish people every month. I doubt they all result in waitlists and it's not like everyone is posting their results on SDN. The FB group only has 112 members so I'm guessing there's still >60-70 spots left to get the 190 class size.
 
Highly agree with this. RFU interviews about 48 people most Fridays so they make decisions on >150ish people every month. I doubt they all result in waitlists and it's not like everyone is posting their results on SDN. The FB group only has 112 members so I'm guessing there's still >60-70 spots left to get the 190 class size.
Thank you very much for sharing that.
 
Soooo there's a small chance they pull off the alternate list soon? Or is the alternate list like a May, June, August kind of thing.
 
Soooo there's a small chance they pull off the alternate list soon? Or is the alternate list like a May, June, August kind of thing.

They've pulled off of it already. I'd guess they will again.
 
Highly agree with this. RFU interviews about 48 people most Fridays so they make decisions on >150ish people every month. I doubt they all result in waitlists and it's not like everyone is posting their results on SDN. The FB group only has 112 members so I'm guessing there's still >60-70 spots left to get the 190 class size.
If there are ~70 spots left, they will likely have to offer more than 70 acceptances to the people that are still waiting. Those are not terrible odds.
 
If there are ~70 spots left, they will likely have to offer more than 70 acceptances to the people that are still waiting. Those are not terrible odds.
Many of those spots may be reserved for the masters program students..
 
Are you referring to the Masters in Biomedical sciences program? If so, wouldn't that be a completely separate entity from the allopathic medical school?
 
Are you referring to the Masters in Biomedical sciences program? If so, wouldn't that be a completely separate entity from the allopathic medical school?
It's an SMP with a linkage to CMS but it doesn't mean that the remaining spots are allocated to those students. In fact, those students probably received IIs and their corresponding decisions earlier in the season.
 
To clear up some confusion about the BMS program.

For Admissions:
-ALL BMS students are guaranteed an interview.
-NONE of them get any other benefits. The process for admissions to CMS is the same as any other applicant.
-BMS students tend to interview later. These last few interview days will have a higher proportion of BMS students interviewing.
-There are NO RESERVED spots for BMS students. The number of BMS students that have matriculated into CMS has declined each year.

After Matriculation:
-BMS students who matriculate into CMS have taken approximately half the courses. They are referred to as M1As. They do not need to retake those courses.
-This means that they can help current students. Some offer tutoring and hold review sessions through the school.
-You are ranked with them. CMS is P/F for the first two years, however your percentile/ranking is kept for AOA and residency purposes. BMS students tend to be at the top of their class during their BMS year. It is competitive for them and they are in fact competing against each other to get into CMS.
 
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To clear up some confusion about the BMS program.

For Admissions:
-ALL BMS students are guaranteed an interview.
-NONE of them get any other benefits. The process for admissions to CMS is the same as any other applicant.
-BMS students tend to interview later. These last few interview days will have a higher proportion of BMS students interviewing.
-There are NO RESERVED spots for BMS students. The number of BMS students that have matriculated into CMS has declined each year.

After Matriculation:
-BMS students who matriculate into CMS have taken approximately half the courses. They are referred to as M1As. They do not need to retake those courses.
-This means that they can help current students. Some offer tutoring and hold review sessions through the school.
-You are ranked with them. CMS is P/F for the first two years, however your percentile/ranking is kept for AOA and residency purposes. BMS students tend to be at the top of their class during their BMS year. It is competitive for them and they are in fact competing against each other to get into CMS.
So, just to clarify, regular CMS applicants are competing against BMS applicants as well for admission during the normal application cycle?


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So, just to clarify, regular CMS applicants are competing against BMS applicants as well for admission during the normal application cycle?


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My understanding is that they're in the same applicant pool as the regular CMS applicants and not in a separate pool. It's important to note that being in the BMS program does not give them an advantage in terms of garnering an acceptance other than guaranteeing an interview.


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It's an SMP with a linkage to CMS but it doesn't mean that the remaining spots are allocated to those students. In fact, those students probably received IIs and their corresponding decisions earlier in the season.

My understanding is that they're in the same applicant pool as the regular CMS applicants and not in a separate pool. It's important to note that being in the BMS program does not give them an advantage in terms of garnering an acceptance other than guaranteeing an interview.

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I think its important to note that being in the BMS program does not give an "advantage", but I'm sure its similar to how all schools want to be "holistic" in selecting matriculants. That being said, I am not trying to be overly negative and ruin anyone's day. I was trying to point out that the 70 spots remaining may not all be given to traditional applicants, but also to the SMP students. These SMP students also receive specific MMI training as part of their coursework, so it is hard to think that they are at a disadvantage when compared to regular applicants.
 
I think its important to note that being in the BMS program does not give an "advantage", but I'm sure its similar to how all schools want to be "holistic" in selecting matriculants. That being said, I am not trying to be overly negative and ruin anyone's day. I was trying to point out that the 70 spots remaining may not all be given to traditional applicants, but also to the SMP students. These SMP students also receive specific MMI training as part of their coursework, so it is hard to think that they are at a disadvantage when compared to regular applicants.
There's also a distinction between saying that some of the remaining spots may be "reserved" for the BMS students versus saying that not all of the spots may be given to traditional applicants. For example, if the case were that there were way more qualified regular applicants that fit CMS's mission and standards, then it's also entirely possible that most if not all of the spots will go to those applicants. CMS has no obligation or set quota for giving out acceptances to BMS students.

I'm not trying to get into semantics here, but you did state that some of the spots may be "reserved" for the masters program students. This caused some of the subscribers here to worry about their chances.


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I think its important to note that being in the BMS program does not give an "advantage", but I'm sure its similar to how all schools want to be "holistic" in selecting matriculants. That being said, I am not trying to be overly negative and ruin anyone's day. I was trying to point out that the 70 spots remaining may not all be given to traditional applicants, but also to the SMP students. These SMP students also receive specific MMI training as part of their coursework, so it is hard to think that they are at a disadvantage when compared to regular applicants.

Either way, we're all still competing against the same number of applicants/interviewees, no matter who they are.
 
There's also a distinction between saying that some of the remaining spots may be "reserved" for the BMS students versus saying that not all of the spots may be given to traditional applicants. For example, if the case were that there were way more qualified regular applicants that fit CMS's mission and standards, then it's also entirely possible that most if not all of the spots will go to those applicants. CMS has no obligation or set quota for giving out acceptances to BMS students.


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Without working in the administration, it is impossible to know if they do or do not reserve spots, despite anything anyone else says. Regardless, I was probably wrong to say "reserved" - thank you for pointing that out.
 
Without working in the administration, it is impossible to know if they do or do not reserve spots, despite anything anyone else says. Regardless, I was probably wrong to say "reserved" - thank you for pointing that out.
Yeah I agree that it's an exercise in futility to speculate about their process. The waiting game can be torturous but I suppose it's akin to a rite of passage so to speak.


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