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Columbia does something similar. They accept a certain number and put everyone else on waitlist until they fill all spots and release them sometime in May.
 
on hold for an interview; what sort of things should i include in an update letter?/letter of interest
 
If I want to send an ITA update to NYU, should I upload it to the portal or email them?
 
Fruitjuice said:
I sent an ITA and they responded saying they were not receptive to them. Got put on hold (likely unrelated)
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Ah, okay. Had seen somewhere else that they were. Probably changed that policy after switching to free tuition lol. I'm already on hold, for what it's worth.
 
spuding102 said:
I can’t for the life of me understand why they would interview 1000 to accept 150. Just dosent make sense
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Actually, when you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. Historically, they interview around 1,000 to accept around 300 to fill a class of around 100. With free tuition, they expect their yield to increase dramatically, but they really have no way to know, because the situation is not static. Other schools are already reacting with better aid packages, and NYU has no way to know whether money will ultimately drive matriculation decisions (wealthy people may decide Harvard or Penn at full price is still a better move for them than NYU for free, needy people may have the same COA wherever they go, schools might match NYU's money to avoid losing candidates they want, etc.).

So, if they have the bandwidth to interview 1,000, why not? It's the number they've seen historically, and it's the number their NY peers see, so why not take the opportunity to meet more well qualified applicants as opposed to arbitrarily eliminating more of them without an in-person meeting? Also, keep in mind they might have to make 100 or more offers off their WL to get their 50 matriculants, so the ultimate number of As might very well be far higher than the 150 you are assuming.

Finally, you have a ton of IIs, so losing one might not be a big deal to you, but most people would much rather have an II with a 1-in-10 shot at an A than not have the II at all, and, of course, anyone is free to either not apply or to turn down the II if they don't like the post-II accept rate!! 🙂
 
KnightDoc said:
Actually, when you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. Historically, they interview around 1,000 to accept around 300 to fill a class of around 100. With free tuition, they expect their yield to increase dramatically, but they really have no way to know, because the situation is not static. Other schools are already reacting with better aid packages, and NYU has no way to know whether money will ultimately drive matriculation decisions (wealthy people may decide Harvard or Penn at full price is still a better move for them than NYU for free, needy people may have the same COA wherever they go, schools might match NYU's money to avoid losing candidates they want, etc.).

So, if they have the bandwidth to interview 1,000, why not? It's the number they've seen historically, and it's the number their NY peers see, so why not take the opportunity to meet more well qualified applicants as opposed to arbitrarily eliminating more of them without an in-person meeting? Also, keep in mind they might have to make 100 or more offers off their WL to get their 50 matriculants, so the ultimate number of As might very well be far higher than the 150 you are assuming.

Finally, you have a ton of IIs, so losing one might not be a big deal to you, but most people would much rather have an II with a 1-in-10 shot at an A than not have the II at all, and, of course, anyone is free to either not apply or to turn down the II if they don't like the post-II accept rate!! 🙂
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I think what you said makes sense. I am actually interviewing at NYU soon. Even if they have the bandwidth to interview so many people, it seems like so much effort for nothing. I Remember hearing that duke said that 90 percent of people “pass” the MMI. I think MMI is really useful for separating the extremes but most people I would imagine, do just fine. It just seems like an awful lot of effort to accept 200 out of 1000. I mean, the lowest of any school is like 26% (mayo and Harvard) which themselves are outliers. Idk tbh
 
spuding102 said:
I think what you said makes sense. I am actually interviewing at NYU soon. Even if they have the bandwidth to interview so many people, it seems like so much effort for nothing. I Remember hearing that duke said that 90 percent of people “pass” the MMI. I think MMI is really useful for separating the extremes but most people I would imagine, do just fine. It just seems like an awful lot of effort to accept 200 out of 1000. I mean, the lowest of any school is like 26% (mayo and Harvard) which themselves are outliers. Idk tbh
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then don't go to the interview.
 
spuding102 said:
Why would I not go to the interview? Im not talking about me here. Im just saying it seems like a lot of effort unnecessarily and it causes people to have false hope and/or spend money on travel and days missed from work/school. I wish more schools followed northwestern's model.
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I agree. There may be a few people out there that bomb their interviews, but for the most part I can’t see how the interviews discern who will be a good medical student and physician and who will not.
 
spuding102 said:
Why would I not go to the interview? Im not talking about me here. Im just saying it seems like a lot of effort unnecessarily and it causes people to have false hope and/or spend money on travel and days missed from work/school. I wish more schools followed northwestern's model.
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Agree. I bet stats factor in heavily to their post II accept too so if you get an interview on the low end of their MSAR, it may be a cruel smokescreen. You feel compelled to attend, but they may have no intention of accepting you, even if they like you...
 
spuding102 said:
I think what you said makes sense. I am actually interviewing at NYU soon. Even if they have the bandwidth to interview so many people, it seems like so much effort for nothing. I Remember hearing that duke said that 90 percent of people “pass” the MMI. I think MMI is really useful for separating the extremes but most people I would imagine, do just fine. It just seems like an awful lot of effort to accept 200 out of 1000. I mean, the lowest of any school is like 26% (mayo and Harvard) which themselves are outliers. Idk tbh
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Yeah, but, in terms of doing a holistic review, there is great value in meeting candidates. I'd bet that if they had the resources, all schools would interview all candidates who look good on paper. Clearly, they can't, so they don't, but NYU CAN see 1,000 people since they've been doing it for years. It's not "a lot of effort" because they consider it essential to select a class. Interviewing at all is a lot of effort; most colleges don't bother, but med schools do.

I totally get how you feel, because you have 23 IIs and would rather see a 40% post-II accept rate than 15%. How would you feel if all schools didn't go to a lot of effort, and, as a result, you only had 3 IIs? Schools are very blessed if they are so desirable that they can have a low post-II accept rate because their yields are so high. That really doesn't mean that they should artificially limit the pool of potential matriculants below the amount they can comfortably handle in order to enhance your chances at As because your application fits a profile that is clearly very attractive and therefore yields a lot of IIs, and it is in your interest to limit your competition beyond that point.

I have a very strong feeling, based on your amount of IIs, that you are going to do very well, so it's not a good look for you to want to thin the herd by limiting other people's shot at an II over your concern for adcoms having too much work!! 🙂
 
Just checked in on this and am glad to see my hold email theory was correct. Gives some hope!

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EmbryonalCarcinoma said:
I agree. There may be a few people out there that bomb their interviews, but for the most part I can’t see how the interviews discern who will be a good medical student and physician and who will not.
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I respectfully, but strongly, disagree. You are correct insofar as ability to do the work can be determined by the application, but the ability to "walk and chew gum," be a human being that others want to be around, work well in groups, and act professionally can really only be determined by an in-person meeting. These things are not prerequisites for success in college, therefore most colleges don't require interviews. They really are required for success in the medical profession, so schools go to great effort to screen applicants for the precious few seats in their classes.

It's not about avoiding "bombing" an interview; it's all about picking a class based on more than MCAT scores, grades and hours of volunteering and research.
 
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KnightDoc said:
Yeah, but, in terms of doing a holistic review, there is great value in meeting candidates. I'd bet that if they had the resources, all schools would interview all candidates who look good on paper. Clearly, they can't, so they don't, but NYU CAN see 1,000 people since they've been doing it for years. It's not "a lot of effort" because they consider it essential to select a class. Interviewing at all is a lot of effort; most colleges don't bother, but med schools do.

I totally get how you feel, because you have 23 IIs and would rather see a 40% post-II accept rate than 15%. How would you feel if all schools didn't go to a lot of effort, and, as a result, you only had 3 IIs? Schools are very blessed if they are so desirable that they can have a low post-II accept rate because their yields are so high. That really doesn't mean that they should artificially limit the pool of potential matriculants below the amount they can comfortably handle in order to enhance your chances at As because your application fits a profile that is clearly very attractive and therefore yields a lot of IIs, and it is in your interest to limit your competition beyond that point.

I have a very strong feeling, based on your amount of IIs, that you are going to do very well, so it's not a good look for you to want to thin the herd by limiting other people's shot at an II over your concern for adcoms having too much work!! 🙂
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I have ZERO intention of "thinning the herd". With 23 II's, I dont really care if NYU's post II acceptance rate is 5% or 90%. I just think that for other applicants, I would rather see people who have a legitimate shot of getting in get an interview. Imagine if you live in California, you go to school and the flight/trip to NY is expensive both in money and time. But you get a II to NYU and you are incredibly surprised because its a "big reach" for you. Dont you think the school is wasting that persons time if in reality, it makes no difference how they score on the MMI, they are still not getting in. Just my personal opinion here.
 
spuding102 said:
I have ZERO intention of "thinning the herd". With 23 II's, I dont really care if NYU's post II acceptance rate is 5% or 90%. I just think that for other applicants, I would rather see people who have a legitimate shot of getting in get an interview. Imagine if you live in California, you go to school and the flight/trip to NY is expensive both in money and time. But you get a II to NYU and you are incredibly surprised because its a "big reach" for you. Dont you think the school is wasting that persons time if in reality, it makes no difference how they score on the MMI, they are still not getting in. Just my personal opinion here.
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Yes. To all this up in heyah.
 
spuding102 said:
I have ZERO intention of "thinning the herd". With 23 II's, I dont really care if NYU's post II acceptance rate is 5% or 90%. I just think that for other applicants, I would rather see people who have a legitimate shot of getting in get an interview. Imagine if you live in California, you go to school and the flight/trip to NY is expensive both in money and time. But you get a II to NYU and you are incredibly surprised because its a "big reach" for you. Dont you think the school is wasting that persons time if in reality, it makes no difference how they score on the MMI, they are still not getting in. Just my personal opinion here.
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🙂 Everyone who gets an II has a legitimate shot. If you don't like the odds, you don't have to make the trip if it's unduly burdensome, or if the risk/reward doesn't make sense. Honestly, all things being equal, for someone who is not super-wealthy or eligible for tons of need-based aid, the risk/reward for free tuition at a T10 should justify a trip regardless of the post-II accept rate. I'll bet nobody who is not in those first two groups is going to turn down a NYU II because they are more way more likely to receive a WL than an A as compared to prior cycles.
 
StanleyYelnats said:
Why are you assuming that your performance on the MMI has no impact on whether you’ll get in? Just because most people pass Dukes MMI doesn’t mean every other school is the same. Again, people have explained multiple times that the high number of interviews is due to unpredictable yield. WashU, another top school where yield varies a lot from year to year, has to interview the same amount for a slightly larger class.
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Maybe I am totally wrong on this but I feel like most people do perfectly fine on the MMI regardless of the school. I can see what your saying though about unpredictable yield. Im not saying they should not interview enough people but considering their class size, something like 600 people seems more reasonable like most schools do.
 
Engrailed said:
All the keyboard warriors coming out
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Agree. A school can do whatever tf they want. That's not the point of contention here... What some of us are saying is that 15% post II acceptance is incredibly low and maybe they're doing it for yield, but those numbers seem altogether rough. Of course a premed with no A will attend any interview, even with a 5% post II accept, but that doesn't make it ideal for a school to have such a low post II accept.

Also let's not kid ourselves here. If you're getting an NYU interview you're getting a lot of others.
 
blurb_123 said:
Also let's not kid ourselves here. If you're getting an NYU interview you're getting a lot of others.
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This has been a big point at my interviews - at Harvard, Mayo, UChicago, “where else you goin’” is a wholly acceptable topic. Washington State University? Not so much.
 
blurb_123 said:
Agree. A school can do whatever tf they want. That's not the point of contention here... What some of us are saying is that 15% post II acceptance is incredibly low and maybe they're doing it for yield, but those numbers seem altogether rough. Of course a premed with no A will attend any interview, even with a 5% post II accept, but that doesn't make it ideal for a school to have such a low post II accept.

Also let's not kid ourselves here. If you're getting an NYU interview you're getting a lot of others.
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From what I have been reading, I think NYU is prob the single hardest interview to get this cycle. A close second might be UNC OOS (they interview 1 out every 50).
 
spuding102 said:
I think what you said makes sense. I am actually interviewing at NYU soon. Even if they have the bandwidth to interview so many people, it seems like so much effort for nothing. I Remember hearing that duke said that 90 percent of people “pass” the MMI. I think MMI is really useful for separating the extremes but most people I would imagine, do just fine. It just seems like an awful lot of effort to accept 200 out of 1000. I mean, the lowest of any school is like 26% (mayo and Harvard) which themselves are outliers. Idk tbh
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blurb_123 said:
Agree. I bet stats factor in heavily to their post II accept too so if you get an interview on the low end of their MSAR, it may be a cruel smokescreen. You feel compelled to attend, but they may have no intention of accepting you, even if they like you...
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rip me.

i also heard they're taking more of around 110 initially because they really do expect a higher yield.
 
blurb_123 said:
Agree. I bet stats factor in heavily to their post II accept too so if you get an interview on the low end of their MSAR, it may be a cruel smokescreen. You feel compelled to attend, but they may have no intention of accepting you, even if they like you...
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Cruel smokescreen, except for the few they accept, and you know that going in, based on your stats, so the smokescreen exists regardless of the post-II accept rate if you are on the low end of the MSAR. 🙂
 
spuding102 said:
From what I have been reading, I think NYU is prob the single hardest interview to get this cycle. A close second might be UNC OOS (they interview 1 out every 50).
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One of the hardest to get, but least valuable in terms of accept rate. Like I said... man that sucks.
 
I think we all also have to keep in mind the selection bias that plays into the acceptance rates and competitiveness of schools. Too tired and too long to explain here but I dont think OOS acceptance rates are especially indicative of anything
 
blurb_123 said:
Agree. A school can do whatever tf they want. That's not the point of contention here... What some of us are saying is that 15% post II acceptance is incredibly low and maybe they're doing it for yield, but those numbers seem altogether rough. Of course a premed with no A will attend any interview, even with a 5% post II accept, but that doesn't make it ideal for a school to have such a low post II accept.

Also let's not kid ourselves here. If you're getting an NYU interview you're getting a lot of others.
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Except it's not a 15% accept rate. That was assumed by someone based on @hailbate relaying that they said they anticipated accepting 100-110 this year and pulling around 50 people in from the WL. Given how WLs work, they might have to make 100 or more offers off the WL to get that 50, just like they expect to get 50 from the first 100-110 offers they make, so while everyone is freaking out over a possible 10-15% accept rate, it could also be closer to 20-25%, and even that assumes their yield goes down dramatically from its historic 30% because peer schools don't aggressively compete with them financially, which has not yet been proven out.

You are 1,000% correct that people getting NYU IIs this year are getting lots of others. If those result in many attractive offers, NYU's yield might not move much at all, which will result in a lot of movement off their WL. They have no way to know now, so they will interview as always, and accept less and WL more until they get more data.
 
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spuding102 said:
Why would I not go to the interview? Im not talking about me here. Im just saying it seems like a lot of effort unnecessarily and it causes people to have false hope and/or spend money on travel and days missed from work/school. I wish more schools followed northwestern's model.
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really not following your logic... how would you know whether your effort is necessary or not before the result is known?
 
blurb_123 said:
Agree. I bet stats factor in heavily to their post II accept too so if you get an interview on the low end of their MSAR, it may be a cruel smokescreen. You feel compelled to attend, but they may have no intention of accepting you, even if they like you...
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TBH, I think every school ranks their interviewees based on stats. I think interview is most used for introducing the school to candidates and weeding out weirdos. At the end of the day, it's gonna be your secondary, MCAT, GPA and pass/fail interview grade. Again, passing an interview doesn't put you on top of anyone else who has also passed it if they start with better odds in terms of essays and stats.
 
KnightDoc said:
Yeah, but, in terms of doing a holistic review, there is great value in meeting candidates. I'd bet that if they had the resources, all schools would interview all candidates who look good on paper. Clearly, they can't, so they don't, but NYU CAN see 1,000 people since they've been doing it for years. It's not "a lot of effort" because they consider it essential to select a class. Interviewing at all is a lot of effort; most colleges don't bother, but med schools do.

I totally get how you feel, because you have 23 IIs and would rather see a 40% post-II accept rate than 15%. How would you feel if all schools didn't go to a lot of effort, and, as a result, you only had 3 IIs? Schools are very blessed if they are so desirable that they can have a low post-II accept rate because their yields are so high. That really doesn't mean that they should artificially limit the pool of potential matriculants below the amount they can comfortably handle in order to enhance your chances at As because your application fits a profile that is clearly very attractive and therefore yields a lot of IIs, and it is in your interest to limit your competition beyond that point.

I have a very strong feeling, based on your amount of IIs, that you are going to do very well, so it's not a good look for you to want to thin the herd by limiting other people's shot at an II over your concern for adcoms having too much work!! 🙂
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obviously, you guys have never been in a real job market...that's why gap years are important.
 
spuding102 said:
From what I have been reading, I think NYU is prob the single hardest interview to get this cycle. A close second might be UNC OOS (they interview 1 out every 50).
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stop being a gunner, seriously. The world doesn't need another one of you. If you really want to make your interview effort worthwhile, maybe just go retake your MCAT +pity+
 
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StanleyYelnats said:
Why are you assuming that your performance on the MMI has no impact on whether you’ll get in? Just because most people pass Dukes MMI doesn’t mean every other school is the same. Again, people have explained multiple times that the high number of interviews is due to unpredictable yield. WashU, another top school where yield varies a lot from year to year, has to interview the same amount for a slightly larger class.
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Not to mention that "passing" doesn't mean performing exceptionally. Someone like me with a low cGPA has to perform exceptionally on an MMI not just "pass." I've taken a whole lot of tests where most of the class passed but only a couple of people got A's.
 
ChymeofPassion said:
So people here think around 110 acceptances and 100 WL -> 50 Acceptances off 900 interviews?
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Seems about right, but don't you think you're selling yourself short on the number of acceptances?
 
spuding102 said:
I see. Don’t hate the player hate the game
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not hating you in any shape or form. dude/dudette, you have it pretty good. just chill and figure out where you want to go. You don't need to flaunt it here just because you got a boatload of II's. As far as I am concerned, you are smart enough to go to a top school but you are far from being great.
 
notsobabydoc said:
not hating you in any shape or form. dude/dudette, you have it pretty good. just chill and figure out where you want to go. You don't need to flaunt it here just because you got a boatload of II's. As far as I am concerned, you are smart enough to go to a top school but you are far from being great.
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I’m not flaunting anything? I’m inputting my 2 cents into a discussion about number of interviews vs slots and yield.
 
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