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floridaheatkills said:
If we get a notification about their interview season being over soon, I'll happy ask for a refund since my app was never looked over.
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Like I said before, someone should file a class action lawsuit... A lot of people are basically being defrauded of money they paid for their secondaries
 
Lol. I understand people emailing back for a refund (which unfortunately will not yield a desirable result), but you can't file a class-action lawsuit because you didn't get what you want. What is a school supposed to do with 16,000 applications for 150-200 seats?!? That is why they screen applications to try and weed out applications that won't be good enough. You can't possibly think someone is going to sit down and read every single application. Maybe in a utopic society, but it's not reality. That is the risk you take when sending your application.

Yes, it is ridiculous that schools ask for so much money for an application fee. But guess what, tuition is ridiculous as well! And a class-action lawsuit won't change that either and there are enough people willing to pay for both.

Life is unfair :/
 
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Lol. I understand people emailing back for a refund (which unfortunately will not yield a desirable result), but you can't file a class-action lawsuit because you didn't get what you want. What is a school supposed to do with 16,000 applications for 150-200 seats?!? That is why they screen applications to try and weed out applications that won't be good enough. You can't possibly think someone is going to sit down and read every single application. Maybe in a utopic society, but it's not reality. That is the risk you take when sending your application.

Yes, it is ridiculous that schools ask for so much money for an application fee. But guess what, tuition is ridiculous as well! And a class-action lawsuit won't change that either and there are enough people willing to pay for both.

Life is unfair :/
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With 16,000 applications at $100+ each they can most definitely afford to hire another person to read applications. We can and we should expect that someone is going to sit down and read our application, that is why we paid the ridiculous fee for it. If they do not even open the application, then they should refund the students. The application fee is not a gift, it is an exchange for a service and that service is reading and reviewing applications. There is a difference between being screened out and never having been considered in the first place. While I don't know that a class-action law suit is the correct legal action, this is still America and institutions have been sued for less. I don't see why you're defending poor practice at the expense of people who could potentially be your classmates. Instead of just saying "life's not fair" we should hold these institutions accountable or else we cannot expect them to actually change. That is how we become part of the solution and make the process more fair for future applicants. We have a right to be reviewed if we have paid our fees, anything less is theft and exploitation
 
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itsbritneywitch said:
With 16,000 applications at $100+ each they can most definitely afford to hire another person to read applications. We can and we should expect that someone is going to sit down and read our application, that is why we paid the ridiculous fee for it. If they do not even open the application, then they should refund the students. The application fee is not a gift, it is an exchange for a service and that service is reading and reviewing applications. There is a difference between being screened out and never having been considered in the first place. While I don't know that a class-action law suit is the correct legal action, this is still America and institutions have been sued for less. I don't see why you're defending poor practice at the expense of people who could potentially be your classmates. Instead of just saying "life's not fair" we should hold these institutions accountable or else we cannot expect them to actually change. That is how we become part of the solution and make the process more fair for future applicants. We have a right to be reviewed if we have paid our fees, anything less is theft and exploitation
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So, let's say an application gets "shredded" by the system for not meeting x criteria, whether it's MCAT score, GPA, service hours, shadowing hours, etc, thus its never read, that's wrong? No, that's the admissions process and has definitely happened to me at some schools I applied to and got rejected in the first few weeks, every medical school has methods to weed down application numbers, not a single school sits down and physically reads each application, except maybe a small state school with like 1,000 apps. I would love for you to ask schools receiving a similar volume if they have cutoffs for applications to be considered. (Although I would argue they should reveal those requirements beforehand) But nonetheless, you're ridiculous for expecting otherwise. Your ideology is the same as the kid who brings his ball to play and then wants to take it and go home because he didn't get to play. Not how it works bud
 
anonymoususer343434 said:
So, let's say an application gets "shredded" by the system for not meeting x criteria, whether it's MCAT score, GPA, service hours, shadowing hours, etc, thus its never read, that's wrong? No, that's the admissions process and has definitely happened to me at some schools I applied to and got rejected in the first few weeks, every medical school has methods to weed down application numbers, not a single school sits down and physically reads each application, except maybe a small state school with like 1,000 apps. I would love for you to ask schools receiving a similar volume if they have cutoffs for applications to be considered. (Although I would argue they should reveal those requirements beforehand) But nonetheless, you're ridiculous for expecting otherwise. Your ideology is the same as the kid who brings his ball to play and then wants to take it and go home because he didn't get to play. Not how it works bud
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You misunderstood me. I explicitly stated that I wasn't referring to being screened out. There is a difference between weeding out applications/screening and never having looked at them in the first place. This school specifically tells students when they are being reviewed. If they make it to the end of the cycle having never even been reviewed that is different than having been screened out for bad stats. People who are screened out receive rejections, the screening of their application is in itself a review. It is not ridiculous to expect that the applications we pay to have reviewed actually get reviewed. Your rude and inaccurate analogy does not bolster your point nor does it effectively discredit mine, childish.
 
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You misunderstood me. I explicitly stated that I wasn't referring to being screened out. There is a difference between weeding out applications/screening and never having looked at them in the first place. This school specifically tells students when they are being reviewed. If they make it to the end of the cycle having never even been reviewed that is different than having been screened out for bad stats. People who are screened out receive rejections, the screening of their application is in itself a review.
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I agree with you that schools shouldn't exploit applicants this way. However, I think Tulane is just being honest. At least they tell you if they are reviewing your file or not. For some other school, you can only see on your portal that your application is ready. Who knows if they read it at all.
 
xycao said:
I agree with you that schools shouldn't exploit applicants this way. However, I think Tulane is just being honest. At least they tell you if they are reviewing your file or not. For some other school, you can only see on your portal that your application is ready. Who knows if they read it at all.
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Yea, although I am not under review by Tulane yet, I also have not heard from 25+ schools and I highly doubt all 25 schools read my app and just put it aside. Tulane is getting the blame because of the green/red button and I wouldn’t be surprised if they get rid of it in the future.
 
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xycao said:
I agree with you that schools shouldn't exploit applicants this way. However, I think Tulane is just being honest. At least they tell you if they are reviewing your file or not. For some other school, you can only see on your portal that your application is ready. Who knows if they read it at all.
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Julatteluver said:
Yea, although I am not under review by Tulane yet, I also have not heard from 25+ schools and I highly doubt all 25 schools read my app and just put it aside. Tulane is getting the blame because of the green/red button and I wouldn’t be surprised if they get rid of it in the future.
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I appreciate their honesty, but what they are being honest about is an admission of negligence, mismanagement, and theft. They're definitely not the only school that does this, but by being explicit about whether or not they review students they open themselves up to the response of those who have been cheated. Their honesty does not remove their culpability it proves it
 
itsbritneywitch said:
You misunderstood me. I explicitly stated that I wasn't referring to being screened out. There is a difference between weeding out applications/screening and never having looked at them in the first place. This school specifically tells students when they are being reviewed. If they make it to the end of the cycle having never even been reviewed that is different than having been screened out for bad stats. People who are screened out receive rejections, the screening of their application is in itself a review. It is not ridiculous to expect that the applications we pay to have reviewed actually get reviewed. Your rude and inaccurate analogy does not bolster your point nor does it effectively discredit mine, childish.
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So being screened out due to statistics is okay, but not because you submitted an application late? We all know how rolling admissions goes, I don't see the surprise
 
anonymoususer343434 said:
So being screened out due to statistics is okay, but not because you submitted an application late? We all know how rolling admissions goes, I don't see the surprise
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It is not about the time of submission. There are people who have not been reviewed who applied at all different points in the cycle. If you submit one minute before the deadline and they do not review your application, you should be refunded. Yes that case is the extreme but I will reiterate, the application fee is not a gift, it is payment rendered for a service. Should the service not be performed the fee should be refunded. As true for the applicant who applies on day one as the applicant who applies at the deadline.
 
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How long have we been hearing about the Fauci Effect? They've known that they would have to review an unprecedented number of applicants since the beginning of this cycle. That's plenty of time to figure out how to review that many applicants. And it's all digital, everyone can do it from home, should they have to meet to discuss applicants they can do so over zoom. The process, if anything, should be expedited. They have the resources to afford to hire more reviewers. If they were broke, which they aren't, they could offer tuition forgiveness as an incentive for current students to learn how to review. These solutions are off the top of my head and I don't mean to espouse them as the best options, I only mean to say that there are options and they could've figured something out. It is clear that have the resources but they just don't care enough. I'm not interested in excuses or bad faith arguments where someone intentionally misses the point (or is unable to intellectually grasp it). I'm only interested in justice for the applicants who have been robbed. I can understand how some of us have been conditioned to expect less because this whole process is exploitive, but rolling over and excusing exploitation is not the correct way forward I don't see why any applicant should feel the need to come to their defense, they don't need it. The defenses provided, weak as they are, only seek to further disadvantage an already disadvantaged population. The supply of applicants will always exceed the demand and that places applicants in a prime position to be exploited, stop making it easier to do so. This may sound familiar to any of you who have taken history, think about unionizing and strikes. When you demand what you deserve (in this case, to receive the service you have paid for) and someone comes in and says its ok you can treat me like dirt, the demands fall on deaf ears and the efforts to receive justice fail. Those people are called scabs. Very much "pick me" energy.

Part of being a physician is advocating for patients. In honor of black history month, I'll take this chance to use an edited quote from RuPaul "If you can't [advocate for] yourself, how in the hell you gonna [advocate for] somebody else"
 
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Interviewed over a month ago. Any thoughts on the time from interview until decision
 
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Got Hold for Interview today

Im sorry if this has already been discussed on here but does the Hold for Interview tend to turn into an actual II for Tulane?
 
Starbuck44 said:
Interviewed over a month ago. Any thoughts on the time from interview until decision
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Its completely random unfortunately. I interviewed 11/13 and still haven't heard anything :/ but yea it seems this year it can take up to 12 weeks, or be as quick as a month
 
itsbritneywitch said:
You misunderstood me. I explicitly stated that I wasn't referring to being screened out. There is a difference between weeding out applications/screening and never having looked at them in the first place. This school specifically tells students when they are being reviewed. If they make it to the end of the cycle having never even been reviewed that is different than having been screened out for bad stats. People who are screened out receive rejections, the screening of their application is in itself a review. It is not ridiculous to expect that the applications we pay to have reviewed actually get reviewed. Your rude and inaccurate analogy does not bolster your point nor does it effectively discredit mine, childish.
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No, you misunderstood me. Being screened out and not being reviewed for applying late and now there are no more spots left is the same thing. Result of too low of stats/hours = not reviewed, subsequent rejection. Result of applying late when there are no interviews left = application not read, subsequent rejection. Some people who applied later but have a statistic/variable that pulls them to the front of line and under review do break that trend, I guess you could argue thats unfair maybe? But I'm saying not being reviewed due to seats filling is the same as not being reviewed due to poor stats/hours (which you agreed is reasonable).
 
anonymoususer343434 said:
No, you misunderstood me. Being screened out and not being reviewed for applying late and now there are no more spots left is the same thing. Result of too low of stats/hours = not reviewed, subsequent rejection. Result of applying late when there are no interviews left = application not read, subsequent rejection. Some people who applied later but have a statistic/variable that pulls them to the front of line and under review do break that trend, I guess you could argue thats unfair maybe? But I'm saying not being reviewed due to seats filling is the same as not being reviewed due to poor stats/hours (which you agreed is reasonable).
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This is blatantly false and you continue to misunderstand. Do not put words in my mouth, I do not agree. Screening for stats/hours is in itself a review. If someone is screened out and rejected, they have been reviewed. Yes its not a full and thorough review, but a review was made. The only way to screen someone out is to review them and determine they do not meet the qualifications. How else could they be screened out? So no, I do not agree that they are the same because the latter of your examples cannot exist. If applicants do not receive ANY review, they have been robbed. If seats have filled and students have not received a review, they should be refunded because the service they paid for was not performed. I don't know how to put it any simpler
 
itsbritneywitch said:
This is blatantly false and you continue to misunderstand. Do not put words in my mouth, I do not agree. Screening for stats/hours is in itself a review. If someone is screened out and rejected, they have been reviewed. Yes its not a full and thorough review, but a review was made. The only way to screen someone out is to review them and determine they do not meet the qualifications. How else could they be screened out? So no, I do not agree that they are the same because the latter of your examples cannot exist. If applicants do not receive ANY review, they have been robbed. If seats have filled and students have not received a review, they should be refunded because the service they paid for was not performed. I don't know how to put it any simpler
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Qualification not met: applied earlier in the cycle, same thing

edit: I understand not everyone can submit early and some arguments for making it more equitable timeline wise are not wrong, but Tulane is very open about being rolling admissions, thus you can't justify getting your money back and suing them. That's childish. You, out of your own will, paid the 200$ or whatever was to apply, knowing you were late in the game and they do rolling admissions. The fault is on you, not the admissions staff
 
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Qualification not met: applied earlier in the cycle, same thing
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If it is too late to be reviewed, they should not allow the applicant to submit a secondary. If they're overwhelmed, they should make a public statement and disable subsequent submission of secondaries, and refund the applications they are unable to review
 
anonymoususer343434 said:
Qualification not met: applied earlier in the cycle, same thing

edit: I understand not everyone can submit early and some arguments for making it more equitable timeline wise are not wrong, but Tulane is very open about being rolling admissions, thus you can't justify getting your money back and suing them. That's childish. You, out of your own will, paid the 200$ or whatever was to apply, knowing you were late in the game and they do rolling admissions. The fault is on you, not the admissions staff
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I'm not saying this for me, I have already been reviewed. I did not apply late.
 
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If it is too late to be reviewed, they should not allow the applicant to submit a secondary. If they're overwhelmed, they should make a public statement and disable subsequent submission of secondaries, and refund the applications they are unable to review
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Let's be clear - I'm certain that over 90% of schools do not review every app they receive. Tulane is simply nice enough to tell you if you were reviewed or not. RFU sent an email last cycle telling people that because they were not reviewed, they are thus rejected. Significant backlash ensued and RFU will likely never send that email again. Those "In Progress" statuses on your other portals may very well also represent you never being reviewed. In fact, you can easily see from the IIs reported on SDN that this is true - nearly all IIs are being sent to applicants who were complete in the first few months of the cycle across all schools.

Unfortunately, this is not unique to Tulane and is a part of the process.
 
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Let's be clear - I'm certain that over 90% of schools do not review every app they receive. Tulane is simply nice enough to tell you if you were reviewed or not. RFU sent an email last cycle telling people that because they were not reviewed, they are thus rejected. Significant backlash ensued and RFU will likely never send that email again. Those "In Progress" statuses on your other portals may very well also represent you never being reviewed. In fact, you can easily see from the IIs reported on SDN that this is true - nearly all IIs are being sent to applicants who were complete in the first few months of the cycle across all schools.
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I'm well aware, but just because it is the norm does not mean it is right. This is a widespread practice that should end and schools should be held accountable. Tacit acceptance is endorsement, we should not accept it, I do not endorse it. It's tantamount to theft
 
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flamesabre045 said:
Its completely random unfortunately. I interviewed 11/13 and still haven't heard anything :/ but yea it seems this year it can take up to 12 weeks, or be as quick as a month
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Been waiting for a decision for 10 weeks. Buckle up cause it’s a long wait
 
itsbritneywitch said:
I'm not saying this for me, I have already been reviewed. I did not apply late. Your assumptions, like your ignorance and inability to grasp the fundamental exchange of goods for services knows no lower limit.
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Service: rejection letter at the end of the cycle.

Also, targeting the individual of the argument, rather than the argument is an ad hominem and makes you just as ignorant and childish as the argument you claim. A shame you can't actually argue the argument, only the individual. Good Luck in your review 🙂
 
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I am doing this against my better judgement... But here we go, first, application fees are not unique to med schools. Many applications to undergraduate and other graduate programs in fact do this. Whether or not all application is reviewed "fairly" is always going to be limited by the number of sits available at a school. You've got to remember, the people reviewing these applications are also human beings with life outside of their jobs (not to mention in a pandemic). Yes, you can argue that the schools can employ more people, but a University, just like every business needs to make ends meet (and the admissions department probably makes up a tiny fraction of any institution; capitalism sucks. lol). Yes, the fees pay for your application to be reviewed. Whether your application gets screened because you do not meet the specific academic requirements for the school or it gets screened because you submit too late in the cycle; it is the same (the screening in the latter case just didn't take into account your credentials, nevertheless, it is a screening process). It's like buying a lottery ticket. Because you bought the lottery ticket doesn't guarantee a status change to a millionaire. If the school has a rolling admission and they've clearly stated that on their website, and you submit an application late in the cycle with thousands of equally strong applicants, one can only hope that one's application stands out. Also, if you read the fine prints of the document you sign, you basically gave permission for your money to be taken away knowing fully that you might not be accepted. So any lawsuit against such action will not go anywhere. You signed a contract that bound you to the terms. I understand everyone's pain, unfortunately, this is a painful and expensive process but some of it comes with a gamble and a bit of luck. There just is not enough spots for everybody, even though everyone applying is bright and competitive in every regard of those words. There will never be a "fair" way for this process but I do think there needs to be some regulation on the cost of medical school application in general. It does put a lot of people at a disadvantage (I think ultimately, this was probably what prompted the notion of asking for a refund). Even if people can afford to pay these fees, it is outrageous how much this process costs. That brings us back to the dangers of Capitalism (a topic for another day). Good luck everyone! Be safe and nice to each other!
 
Let us not forget that we all have the privilege to apply, but rarely does anyone owe us anything. It'd be nice, but again, not owed and if it's expected, let's remember to humble ourselves while we can. As other posters have pointed out, this is not new news and really just the nature of how rolling admissions works. We certainly don't have to result to attacking each other, especially when we all getting ****ed (even the accepted applicants with that 100k first year COA).
 
Get past the pleasantries- The "privilege" to apply is capital. Anyone can apply if they can afford it. Imagine you spent your bottom dollar applying and your application was never reviewed, that's criminal. Now imagine it happens to thousands of people across the nation during a pandemic, with record unemployment, and with a congress that refuses to provide economic relief. Regardless of one's financial situation, applicants are absolutely owed something. They are owed what they PAID for. It is born not from a sense of entitlement, but from the expectation of the fulfillment of a contract. Stop expecting less, it will not serve you and it will only serve to continue this cycle for future applicants.
I did a little digging and on their website. These are direct quotes:
This is listed under "Screening"
-An application is considered complete once the Tulane School of Admissions and Student Affairs has received the primary and secondary applications, application fee, MCAT score, and all letters of evaluation. Once an application is complete, the file is read by one or more members of the Admission Committee.
-During the screening process the contents of the entire application are taken into account, but at this stage of review the greatest emphasis is placed upon an applicant's academic record and letters of evaluation. Nonetheless, experience shows that students with a broad range of coursework (both science and non-science courses), active participation in college or campus life, and a good record of community service are more likely to be invited for interviews.
-TUSOM has identified several personal attributes that will be considered in the application process. These are academic ability (as reflected in grades and MCAT scores), leadership, commitment to service, clinical activity, appreciation of diversity and scholarly activity (research), maturity, and a passion for medicine.

Listed above are things that can only be determined through actually reviewing an application. These are commitments that TUSOM is making to applicants. These are the services that applicants PAY for.

The comparison to a lottery misses the point. In the lottery you pay for and receive a good and that good is attached to a probability. In applying, applicants are paying for a service. The service is to have their applications reviewed. Probability is still involved, there are multiple factors to take into account, but it is not the same as playing the lottery and the oversimplification is unjust at best and harmful at worst. All applicants deserve better, the system is broken.

In the state of Louisiana's Penal Code, theft of at least $1,000 is a felony, $1,500 is larceny (La. Rev. Stat. § 14:67 (2020). That's only a handful of unreviewed applications. I jumped on this because I thought there might be merit to a law suit, but having petty arguments with someone who failed to grasp the point has caused me to dig my heels in and now I am convinced. This is America, the land of frivolous lawsuits, where people have won cases with significantly less. Expect more for yourselves, you're worth it.
If you pay for a service and you don't receive that service, you have been robbed and you may be entitled to financial compensation (mesothelioma not included)

For those of us who are matriculating, keep this in mind when it comes to residency. The defenses that people have provided are all based around tradition, "life is unfair", "just the nature of how it works", as arguments they're terrible and they show what it looks like to have no bargaining power. These are the same arguments that have been used to prevent progress, these are the arguments used against desegregation, the civil rights act, and pretty much anything that disturbs the status quo when people demand justice. They show how effectively applicants have been convinced that they can be treated as though they are expendable. We are only recently getting to the 80 hour work week for residents (the premise of which comes from a surgeon who did copious amounts of cocaine and set a precedent that physicians should work themselves to the bone and never sleep (William Stewart Halsted). The existence of a norm does not garner the morality of its defense.
 
itsbritneywitch said:
Get past the pleasantries- The "privilege" to apply is capital. Anyone can apply if they can afford it. Imagine you spent your bottom dollar applying and your application was never reviewed, that's criminal. Now imagine it happens to thousands of people across the nation during a pandemic, with record unemployment, and with a congress that refuses to provide economic relief. Regardless of one's financial situation, applicants are absolutely owed something. They are owed what they PAID for. It is born not from a sense of entitlement, but from the expectation of the fulfillment of a contract. Stop expecting less, it will not serve you and it will only serve to continue this cycle for future applicants.
I did a little digging and on their website. These are direct quotes:
This is listed under "Screening"
-An application is considered complete once the Tulane School of Admissions and Student Affairs has received the primary and secondary applications, application fee, MCAT score, and all letters of evaluation. Once an application is complete, the file is read by one or more members of the Admission Committee.
-During the screening process the contents of the entire application are taken into account, but at this stage of review the greatest emphasis is placed upon an applicant's academic record and letters of evaluation. Nonetheless, experience shows that students with a broad range of coursework (both science and non-science courses), active participation in college or campus life, and a good record of community service are more likely to be invited for interviews.
-TUSOM has identified several personal attributes that will be considered in the application process. These are academic ability (as reflected in grades and MCAT scores), leadership, commitment to service, clinical activity, appreciation of diversity and scholarly activity (research), maturity, and a passion for medicine.

Listed above are things that can only be determined through actually reviewing an application. These are commitments that TUSOM is making to applicants. These are the services that applicants PAY for.

The comparison to a lottery misses the point. In the lottery you pay for and receive a good and that good is attached to a probability. In applying, applicants are paying for a service. The service is to have their applications reviewed. Probability is still involved, there are multiple factors to take into account, but it is not the same as playing the lottery and the oversimplification is unjust at best and harmful at worst. All applicants deserve better, the system is broken.

In the state of Louisiana's Penal Code, theft of at least $1,000 is a felony, $1,500 is larceny (La. Rev. Stat. § 14:67 (2020). That's only a handful of unreviewed applications. I jumped on this because I thought there might be merit to a law suit, but having petty arguments with someone who failed to grasp the point has caused me to dig my heels in and now I am convinced. This is America, the land of frivolous lawsuits, where people have won cases with significantly less. Expect more for yourselves, you're worth it.
If you pay for a service and you don't receive that service, you have been robbed and you may be entitled to financial compensation (mesothelioma not included)

For those of us who are matriculating, keep this in mind when it comes to residency. The defenses that people have provided are all based around tradition, "life is unfair", "just the nature of how it works", as arguments they're terrible and they show what it looks like to have no bargaining power. These are the same arguments that have been used to prevent progress, these are the arguments used against desegregation, the civil rights act, and pretty much anything that disturbs the status quo when people demand justice. They show how effectively applicants have been convinced that they can be treated as though they are expendable. We are only recently getting to the 80 hour work week for residents (the premise of which comes from a surgeon who did copious amounts of cocaine and set a precedent that physicians should work themselves to the bone and never sleep (William Stewart Halsted). The existence of a norm does not garner the morality of its defense.
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Regardless, it seems to me that you're angry at the wrong people. This is basically an echo chamber of fellow students who are all in the same boat as you. If you would like to file a suit, please do so and share it here. I agree with you that the existence of a norm does not garner the morality of the defense, but actions speak louder than words. Just being angry and arguing with fellow students isn't going to change anything.
 
itsbritneywitch said:
Get past the pleasantries- The "privilege" to apply is capital. Anyone can apply if they can afford it. Imagine you spent your bottom dollar applying and your application was never reviewed, that's criminal. Now imagine it happens to thousands of people across the nation during a pandemic, with record unemployment, and with a congress that refuses to provide economic relief. Regardless of one's financial situation, applicants are absolutely owed something. They are owed what they PAID for. It is born not from a sense of entitlement, but from the expectation of the fulfillment of a contract. Stop expecting less, it will not serve you and it will only serve to continue this cycle for future applicants.
I did a little digging and on their website. These are direct quotes:
This is listed under "Screening"
-An application is considered complete once the Tulane School of Admissions and Student Affairs has received the primary and secondary applications, application fee, MCAT score, and all letters of evaluation. Once an application is complete, the file is read by one or more members of the Admission Committee.
-During the screening process the contents of the entire application are taken into account, but at this stage of review the greatest emphasis is placed upon an applicant's academic record and letters of evaluation. Nonetheless, experience shows that students with a broad range of coursework (both science and non-science courses), active participation in college or campus life, and a good record of community service are more likely to be invited for interviews.
-TUSOM has identified several personal attributes that will be considered in the application process. These are academic ability (as reflected in grades and MCAT scores), leadership, commitment to service, clinical activity, appreciation of diversity and scholarly activity (research), maturity, and a passion for medicine.

Listed above are things that can only be determined through actually reviewing an application. These are commitments that TUSOM is making to applicants. These are the services that applicants PAY for.

The comparison to a lottery misses the point. In the lottery you pay for and receive a good and that good is attached to a probability. In applying, applicants are paying for a service. The service is to have their applications reviewed. Probability is still involved, there are multiple factors to take into account, but it is not the same as playing the lottery and the oversimplification is unjust at best and harmful at worst. All applicants deserve better, the system is broken.

In the state of Louisiana's Penal Code, theft of at least $1,000 is a felony, $1,500 is larceny (La. Rev. Stat. § 14:67 (2020). That's only a handful of unreviewed applications. I jumped on this because I thought there might be merit to a law suit, but having petty arguments with someone who failed to grasp the point has caused me to dig my heels in and now I am convinced. This is America, the land of frivolous lawsuits, where people have won cases with significantly less. Expect more for yourselves, you're worth it.
If you pay for a service and you don't receive that service, you have been robbed and you may be entitled to financial compensation (mesothelioma not included)

For those of us who are matriculating, keep this in mind when it comes to residency. The defenses that people have provided are all based around tradition, "life is unfair", "just the nature of how it works", as arguments they're terrible and they show what it looks like to have no bargaining power. These are the same arguments that have been used to prevent progress, these are the arguments used against desegregation, the civil rights act, and pretty much anything that disturbs the status quo when people demand justice. They show how effectively applicants have been convinced that they can be treated as though they are expendable. We are only recently getting to the 80 hour work week for residents (the premise of which comes from a surgeon who did copious amounts of cocaine and set a precedent that physicians should work themselves to the bone and never sleep (William Stewart Halsted). The existence of a norm does not garner the morality of its defense.
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Please go ahead and fight for this if you're this passionate about it. Wishing you the best in your future career!
 
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Hello future class of TUSOM 2025! I would like to make you all aware of a dual degree at Tulane University School of Medicine: the MS program in Bioethics and Medical Humanities! This program is fairly new but honestly, it was arguably the best introduction to medical school. I have made friends who are more like family through this program, met several mentors, and connected to the art and practice of medicine in ways I never thought possible. I feel I’m going to be a better doctor and mentor to others in the future because of it! If you are interested come check out this program today at noon (central time) (even if you aren’t a future MD at Tulane - it’s open for everyone!) And please reach out if you have any questions!

P.S. Even if you aren't accepted yet, check it out! You might want to be a part of it when you are.
 
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Got email for Hold for Possible Interview today . Is this a soft rejection ??? Tulane interview season Sept-Feb , looks like a rejection to me 🙁
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If you don't mind me asking, When were you under review? and mind sharing your stats?
 
CowBoy98 said:
Got email for Hold for Possible Interview today . Is this a soft rejection ??? Tulane interview season Sept-Feb , looks like a rejection to me 🙁
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Not necessarily! I was invited last week after being on hold for a few months and there were 3 interview dates in March to choose from. Don’t lose hope yet!
 
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