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I am curious if UTSW has done updates to group 1 to use CASPer.
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oatly said:
3.98 and 521, IS. 4th quartile CASPer as well. I've seen other schools spread out II across a few dates (like Dell), so holding my breath until end of the week at least.
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It is not necessary that they sort group 1 by top down numbers, only that they invite all of you for an interview before they start group II. Chin up, it will come soon. Group I may last until October.
 
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oatly said:
3.98 and 521, IS. 4th quartile CASPer as well. I've seen other schools spread out II across a few dates (like Dell), so holding my breath until end of the week at least.
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i hope this is the case 😅
 
birsi said:
Unnecessary. What happened to hope and wonder in this community? Those are medians, not cutoffs.
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I don't see anything wrong with this comment. There was no intent in harming anyone, it was just statement of clear facts. It's clear that SW sends out group 1 II to those with high stats. @dudu11 was just saying that their stats are not considered high enough to qualify for group 1, not that they're not high enough for a II at all. I personally feel like you instigated an unnecessary conflict. Please be more mindful of what you comment in the future 🙂
 
birsi said:
Unnecessary. What happened to hope and wonder in this community? Those are medians, not cutoffs.
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Lol. dude my stats are higher and I’m not expecting an interview, or attributing not receiving an interview yet to a “glitch” in the system. Its not unnecessary to give a reality check every now and then. It’s very possible we both receive interviews later in the cycle, but there’s no way our stats are entitled to one this early; we weren’t “accidentally skipped.”
 
birsi said:
Unnecessary. What happened to hope and wonder in this community? Those are medians, not cutoffs.
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My bad, maybe my comment came off in the wrong way. I was just trying to say that SW’s procedure is to screen for high stats applicants for their first round of II and the median scores are good indicators of what is considered high. I wasn’t saying they shouldn’t hold out hope for a II, I’m just saying they probably shouldn’t expect to receive a II in the first group based on what SW historically considers as high stats.
 
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satdixon said:
I don’t think that would qualify for the auto-interview, but you might have a chance for the regular one if your stats are good enough
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birsi said:
Unnecessary. What happened to hope and wonder in this community? Those are medians, not cutoffs.
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Not to be condescending, but realistically speaking it is hard to get into UTSW with 512 unless you are URM as this is a stat heavy school. That MCAT is around the 10th percentile of accepted applicants, which means 90% of applicants scored higher than you. It’s just a fact, unless you cured cancer or something. I might be wrong since I don’t know your application.
 
I read something the other day on Reddit about UTSW not having a focus on primary care or caring for the underserved. Primary care and working with underserved communities is a huge part of my app so could anyone shed some light on this?
 
randompremed457 said:
I read something the other day on Reddit about UTSW not having a focus on primary care or caring for the underserved. Primary care and working with underserved communities is a huge part of my app so could anyone shed some light on this?
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There's no way that those interests would harm your application. I think they just meant that UTSW is going to focus more on academic performance, MCAT, or research than most other Texas programs.
 
randompremed457 said:
I read something the other day on Reddit about UTSW not having a focus on primary care or caring for the underserved. Primary care and working with underserved communities is a huge part of my app so could anyone shed some light on this?
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I’m curious too. i have a genuine interest in primary care and a lot of my experiences/essays are geared to that, but idk if emphasizing that would rank my chances of acceptance during the interview.
 
eric28 said:
I’m curious too. i have a genuine interest in primary care and a lot of my experiences/essays are geared to that, but idk if emphasizing that would rank my chances of acceptance during the interview.
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I’m not so worried about the interview, rather that if I get in my opportunities to work with the underserved would be limited compared to other schools. I’m not sure that showing a passion for any particular field would cause issues in an interview, especially given the shortage of PCPs in Texas and the US as a whole.

But I really doubt Reddit is a very accurate source of information so I’m looking to hear from some current students/residents at UTSW.
 
randompremed457 said:
I’m not so worried about the interview, rather that if I get in my opportunities to work with the underserved would be limited compared to other schools. I’m not sure that showing a passion for any particular field would cause issues in an interview, especially given the shortage of PCPs in Texas and the US as a whole.

But I really doubt Reddit is a very accurate source of information so I’m looking to hear from some current students/residents at UTSW.
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what is your definition of underserved that a specific medical school may not give you an opportunity to work on?
 
texasvandy said:
what is your definition of underserved that a specific medical school may not give you an opportunity to work on?
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I'm quite interested in continuing to work with refugee populations, but also interested in working with other uninsured low-income patients. A further glimpse into rural medicine would be interesting since I've had a little bit of exposure but haven't had the opportunity to really see the whole picture.

Talking about it now, it's probably naive of me to assume that these opportunities would be minimal at certain medical schools, especially one as large and recognized as UTSW. Perhaps the opportunities to work in rural communities would be limited compared to a school like UT Tyler, but that's really just the difference in location speaking more than anything.

After listening to the podcast linked above, it seems like there are ample opportunities to work with underserved communities with the seven medical student-run clinics at this school.
 
randompremed457 said:
I'm quite interested in continuing to work with refugee populations, but also interested in working with other uninsured low-income patients. A further glimpse into rural medicine would be interesting since I've had a little bit of exposure but haven't had the opportunity to really see the whole picture.

Talking about it now, it's probably naive of me to assume that these opportunities would be minimal at certain medical schools, especially one as large and recognized as UTSW. Perhaps the opportunities to work in rural communities would be limited compared to a school like UT Tyler, but that's really just the difference in location speaking more than anything.

After listening to the podcast linked above, it seems like there are ample opportunities to work with underserved communities with the seven medical student-run clinics at this school.
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UTSW is in a major metropolitan city in the US and serves predominantly a metropolitan population supported by county owned hospitals.

The big underserved are around the city. The metropolitan underserved are considered to be people in poor neighborhoods who can't get to the big hospitals without transportation and one would have to find clinics to go and volunteer which requires time and personal modes of transportation. I dont know if Dallas has any specific refugee populations and where they can be served. I am certain they have lots of poor clinics around the town where one can volunteer.

Medical schools per se don't help you do specific things that you think you want to do. You go through 1.5 to 2 years of classes, mandatory rotations of 1.2 years or so and self decided rotations for another 9 months to 1.5 years while applying for residency. They are training you to be a doctor. Any goals one has for themselves, they have to do on their own or join a medical program that has some of them stated in their mission. For example, if you check U of H mission, they state underserved population service as part of it and I believe they send their students to these clinics for rotations. OTOH, Houston has 4 medical schools (including Galveston) and UTH and Baylor have taken over the big hospitals for rotations and U of H as a startup has to find other avenues for their students until they have their own hospital(s). However, U of H is located much closer to populations which are considered underserved within the city and so their hospital would be serving underserved people.

UTSW is considered a preeminent research university in the State and one of the best among the nation. They provide exactly same residencies as any other medical school in the nation and many of those fields are considered primary care - internal medicine, family medicine, OB/Gyn, pediatrics, Emergency etc. All of these programs are highly ranked so one can't go around saying they dont care for primary care. One can do residency in any of these fields stop there and call themselves primary care physicians. When they go and do a fellowship and practice in those fields, they are no longer primary care. Doesn't mean a medical school asked people to not be in primary care, only that they chose to specialize.

When one does rotations, they are hanging around with the doctors and residents and learn from them. If the primary care programs are highly ranked, I would assume the students being trained in those programs are getting a great primary care education.
 
texasvandy said:
UTSW is in a major metropolitan city in the US and serves predominantly a metropolitan population supported by county owned hospitals.

The big underserved are around the city. The metropolitan underserved are considered to be people in poor neighborhoods who can't get to the big hospitals without transportation and one would have to find clinics to go and volunteer which requires time and personal modes of transportation. I dont know if Dallas has any specific refugee populations and where they can be served. I am certain they have lots of poor clinics around the town where one can volunteer.

Medical schools per se don't help you do specific things that you think you want to do. You go through 1.5 to 2 years of classes, mandatory rotations of 1.2 years or so and self decided rotations for another 9 months to 1.5 years while applying for residency. They are training you to be a doctor. Any goals one has for themselves, they have to do on their own or join a medical program that has some of them stated in their mission. For example, if you check U of H mission, they state underserved population service as part of it and I believe they send their students to these clinics for rotations. OTOH, Houston has 4 medical schools (including Galveston) and UTH and Baylor have taken over the big hospitals for rotations and U of H as a startup has to find other avenues for their students until they have their own hospital(s). However, U of H is located much closer to populations which are considered underserved within the city and so their hospital would be serving underserved people.

UTSW is considered a preeminent research university in the State and one of the best among the nation. They provide exactly same residencies as any other medical school in the nation and many of those fields are considered primary care - internal medicine, family medicine, OB/Gyn, pediatrics, Emergency etc. All of these programs are highly ranked so one can't go around saying they dont care for primary care. One can do residency in any of these fields stop there and call themselves primary care physicians. When they go and do a fellowship and practice in those fields, they are no longer primary care. Doesn't mean a medical school asked people to not be in primary care, only that they chose to specialize.

When one does rotations, they are hanging around with the doctors and residents and learn from them. If the primary care programs are highly ranked, I would assume the students being trained in those programs are getting a great primary care education.
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Thank you! That does help clear things up a lot. I really appreciate all of your help.
 
Does anyone know/have an educated guess for when Group I interviews conclude?

I'm high-stat (LM 77), in-state, and have what I think is a good profile of ECs but submitted my primary very late (70% of the way through July)—if I have my secondaries polished and ready to submit as soon as I recieve the portal link, will I be okay to be considered still? Or will I be fighting a significant uphill battle due to submission time?

@wysdoc mentioned on the UTSW 2020-2021 thread that:
The take-home lesson for UTSW, though, is: They like high stats for their first interviewees, AND they like people who submit EARLY in the season. Think submitting June-July, not August.
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Is "submitting" here referring to secondary submission/completion?
 
tyverox said:
Does anyone know/have an educated guess for when Group I interviews conclude?

I'm high-stat (LM 77), in-state, and have what I think is a good profile of ECs but submitted my primary very late (70% of the way through July)—if I have my secondaries polished and ready to submit as soon as I recieve the portal link, will I be okay to be considered still? Or will I be fighting a significant uphill battle due to submission time?

@wysdoc mentioned on the UTSW 2020-2021 thread that:

Is "submitting" here referring to secondary submission/completion?
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Submitted is when you submit your completed secondary.
 
tyverox said:
Does anyone know/have an educated guess for when Group I interviews conclude?

I'm high-stat (LM 77), in-state, and have what I think is a good profile of ECs but submitted my primary very late (70% of the way through July)—if I have my secondaries polished and ready to submit as soon as I recieve the portal link, will I be okay to be considered still? Or will I be fighting a significant uphill battle due to submission time?

@wysdoc mentioned on the UTSW 2020-2021 thread that:

Is "submitting" here referring to secondary submission/completion?
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I'm LM 79 and haven't heard back but i submitted my secondary early July so maybe they aren't following the same policy anymore ;(
 
drskittles said:
I'm LM 79 and haven't heard back but i submitted my secondary early July so maybe they aren't following the same policy anymore ;(
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I can't seem to find any links on their website where they explain the policy—and previous years' threads linking Group I/II pages now link to a 404 Error—so that may be the case. I wonder if they have hours cutoffs on W/A sections—could any of those apply to you?

Though, there isn't anything to do about it now if you've already submitted your secondary—try not to worry if you can!
 
tyverox said:
Does anyone know/have an educated guess for when Group I interviews conclude?

I'm high-stat (LM 77), in-state, and have what I think is a good profile of ECs but submitted my primary very late (70% of the way through July)—if I have my secondaries polished and ready to submit as soon as I recieve the portal link, will I be okay to be considered still? Or will I be fighting a significant uphill battle due to submission time?

@wysdoc mentioned on the UTSW 2020-2021 thread that:

Is "submitting" here referring to secondary submission/completion?
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I was referring to submitting your primary by June/July.

There has only been one day that UTSW invited anyone so far, so please be patient and confident in your application.
 
tyverox said:
Does anyone know/have an educated guess for when Group I interviews conclude?

I'm high-stat (LM 77), in-state, and have what I think is a good profile of ECs but submitted my primary very late (70% of the way through July)—if I have my secondaries polished and ready to submit as soon as I recieve the portal link, will I be okay to be considered still? Or will I be fighting a significant uphill battle due to submission time?

@wysdoc mentioned on the UTSW 2020-2021 thread that:

Is "submitting" here referring to secondary submission/completion?
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Is your primary application not verified and transmitted yet?

There is really no conclusion date for Group I since they can last as long as candidates exist. However, this list wont include those that have not filed a secondary yet.

They have only sent out one round so far which means lots of Group Is are still pending. However, they have always had slots for almost one to two months of interviews for those considered Group II (full review) which means no one is eliminated yet until they start calling people for interviews in January. The dates of interview is what should cause worry (starts happening around late November). It is too early to talk about not being interviewed.
 
texasvandy said:
Is your primary application not verified and transmitted yet?

There is really no conclusion date for Group I since they can last as long as candidates exist. However, this list wont include those that have not filed a secondary yet.

They have only sent out one round so far which means lots of Group Is are still pending. However, they have always had slots for almost one to two months of interviews for those considered Group II (full review) which means no one is eliminated yet until they start calling people for interviews in January. The dates of interview is what should cause worry (starts happening around late November). It is too early to talk about not being interviewed.
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No, my primary hasn't been verified or transmitted yet. :/ I submitted 7/23/22; they're currently verifying the primaries submitted on 7/6/22 (~5 week processing time, which if extrapolated to my submission date means hopefully verification on 8/27/22). No need to worry yet, then? Just have to prewrite secondaries and get them turned in ASAP? I guess there isn't much else for me to do besides that.
 
tyverox said:
No, my primary hasn't been verified or transmitted yet. :/ I submitted 7/23/22; they're currently verifying the primaries submitted on 7/6/22 (~5 week processing time, which if extrapolated to my submission date means hopefully verification on 8/27/22). No need to worry yet, then? Just have to prewrite secondaries and get them turned in ASAP? I guess there isn't much else for me to do besides that.
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Use your time pre-writing everything as you said, (instead of worrying - the date is the date, you can't change it now) and you will have them ready to go as soon as your app is transmitted to schools.
 
wysdoc said:
Use your time pre-writing everything as you said, (instead of worrying - the date is the date, you can't change it now) and you will have them ready to go as soon as your app is transmitted to schools.
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All the prompts are available for every school and most schools are supposed to accept secondaries until late October (November 1st?). Are there schools that allow you submit a secondary without an invite (used to be A&M and Baylor in the past).
 
So can someone clarify what stats would constitute a Group I vs. Group II? Is it the same for OOS students? I have pretty strong stats but am OOS with very strong ties. Just wondering if I should be hearing something or not...
 
lcm.md.mom said:
So can someone clarify what stats would constitute a Group I vs. Group II? Is it the same for OOS students? I have pretty strong stats but am OOS with very strong ties. Just wondering if I should be hearing something or not...
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Group I is primarily for in state since they need to fill 90% of seats with residents. It is considered to be at a minimum meeting the official medians of incoming class profile for GPA and MCAT. The lowest LizzyM score announced on this thread who got called for an interview seems to be 74. We have seen similar number in the past in Group I but the expectation is that the median for both GPA and MCAT must be satisfied to be in group I.
 
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would being group I theoretically increase your chances of acceptance?
 
eric28 said:
would being group I theoretically increase your chances of acceptance?
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Who are you trying to beat out?

Everyone in theory has a chance to be accepted where the requirement is to be interviewed. We see people being interviewed in August not being accepted while people who are interviewed in January are accepted. Chance of acceptance for an interviewed candidate is between 0 and 1. You should take your interview seriously and do well since just being group I does not make anyone's chance =1.
 
texasvandy said:
Group I is primarily for in state since they need to fill 90% of seats with residents. It is considered to be at a minimum meeting the official medians of incoming class profile for GPA and MCAT. The lowest LizzyM score announced on this thread who got called for an interview seems to be 74. We have seen similar number in the past in Group I but the expectation is that the median for both GPA and MCAT must be satisfied to be in group I.
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I got an interview invite with a 510 3.5 mcat so that’s about ~66 LM
 
globaldoc27 said:
What does that mean?
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The schools focus on having certain number of URMs and other requirements outside of merit. They wont wait to interview until group II if the numbers applying are low and they are targeting to ensure they admit certain numbers.

www.utsouthwestern.edu

Class Profile & Statistics

Statistics and demographics of the latest entering class of UT Southwestern medical students include average GPA, MCAT average, and more.
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So news from a current student, the current MS1 class was overfilled (250 students instead of usual 230) due to Baylor joining TMDSAS (about 20 each year used to be leeched over when Baylor was an AMCAS school). Not sure how things will be different next year, but thought you all would be curious.
 
Flopfodder said:
So news from a current student, the current MS1 class was overfilled (250 students instead of usual 230) due to Baylor joining TMDSAS (about 20 each year used to be leeched over when Baylor was an AMCAS school). Not sure how things will be different next year, but thought you all would be curious.
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did they say if this was affecting future admissions?
 
Flopfodder said:
So news from a current student, the current MS1 class was overfilled (250 students instead of usual 230) due to Baylor joining TMDSAS (about 20 each year used to be leeched over when Baylor was an AMCAS school). Not sure how things will be different next year, but thought you all would be curious.
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Ooh, I had not heard this. It will probably result in UTSW being a little more cautious with prematch offers to arrive at the 230 class size by the end of the spring.
 
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