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Okay, no one is jealous of anyone. Did I ever say that people who currently go to UNC (or have been accepted) are idiots and I am jealous of them? No. They are very intelligent and will make do great service to our community. Btw, you can't make the claim that I am cocky simply because you have no idea who I am. Logically speaking.
Doodlesworth and I are just examining the admissions process (happens to be UNC) logically. We are arguing that it is random and unfair to students/applicants who have absolutely shown their academic prowess along with decent extracurricular activities. That's all. During residency or anytime during my career, I am not going to think of someone as being incompetent based on their stats.
And yes madam/sir, I will enjoy taking my hypocrite's oath! Besides, the hippocrates oath is nothing more than a western view of how a doctor should behave. Just because some westeners think that he was the first physician to use science in medicine, he becomes the first doctor that mankind has ever known. Now, that is what I call cocky. Please. Also, where is the compassion when doctors try to perform experiements on minorities in our society who don't have any voice without their consent? Just to give you an example. What about doctors flirting with drug companies? I have followed doctors and some of the things I have seen surely seems contradictory to what you think about doctor's being compassionate 100% of the time.
All I am saying is that doctors are not perfect. Their oath on being compassionate all of the time can lapse. After all, they are human beings too.
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I hate to tell you, but just because you accomplished those things does not mean you'll be a successful physician - hence the reason they have interviews. Don't take that the wrong way - I had to apply 3 times before I was accepted.
My point is, just because you did well on your MCAT and GPA with some (probably meaningless) UG research, you aren't warranted a spot at UNC or ANY medical school. You got into USC which is a GREAT school. Different schools look for different things. UNC is notable for accepting very well-rounded or unique students. Tutoring, high MCAT, high GPA and research are not especially unique - at least not in today's time.
I sure hope you didn't let UNC know that you think medicine is "just applied biology" because that might answer your question of why you haven't heard anything. If you really think that, my advice for you would be to get a little more practical experience. If you still don't see that medicine is much, much more than that, it might be the wrong profession for you.
That being said, I know (probably more than anyone else waiting to hear) what waiting feels like because I've done it for three years. It sounds trite when I say this but just hang in there. If you really want to be a physician, there's not much that can stop you. Good luck to everyone - and I sincerely mean that!
Edit: To add something else: Neil, UNC's average age is generally a little older. If you are really only 20, that might also be a contributing factor. Just something to think about...
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I'd like to second what Aladdin has said. Look, I realized that we are all stressed about this and need to vent. I'm sure we've all seen how random the application process can be, especially those of us who have applied more than once and are still waiting on acceptances. I'm sure there are varying levels of excitement and frustration, and no one is actively trying to degrade anyone else. Can we please keep this constructive and helpful?
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Two other schools decided to waitlist you and another rejected you, so perhaps there is a weakness in your application. I dont see how UNC is unique in that regards, and besides wtf is up with the sense of entitlement?
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I'm going to back Neil up here. Also according to his MDApps page he was accepted to USC, so I think it is unfair to attribute his opinions to feeling personally rejected.
I don't think Neil was saying that because of his GPA/MCAT and certain UG experiences he should get in, but rather that on paper the majority of applicants are of similar quality so it comes down to a subjective evaluation of someone's "qualifications," i.e. the interview. I think it's difficult to truly evaluate someone's suitability on the basis of a 30-45 minute conversation and I imagine it often comes down to a feeling, which simply reflects the biases, mood, and preferences of the interviewer.
Also, I meet a lot of pre-meds who have this bizarre preoccupation with the personal greatness of physicians. I don't know if this is just approval seeking or if it reflects some sort of antcipatory narcissism (I'm so great + one day I'll be a physican = physicans are so great).
Medicine is definitely unique among professions, but it shares much in common with other less highly-regarded ones. And like Neil said, we shouldn't forget that physicians are falliable humans like everyone else. I think the current problems with American healthcare (I'm not blaming it all on doctors) and the significant changes that are needed to fix them require a more subdued, realistic outlook on the practice and business of medicine.
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I don't take offense of the fact that I have weaknesses in my application. I am very well aware of them. UNC is unique because of the way it conducts its process. (the main complain from everyone is that they take ages and amongst other stuff that has been posted).
Sense of entitlement my foot. Wow, dude! You sound like a conservative guy to me. I read some of your posts. Good job on downgrading yourself to pop. culture sentiments. It has nothing to do with sense of entitlement. Besides you have the leverage to say these kind of things. I respect what Aladin said because he has done this several times. Call it sense of rightteouness. There are many many people out their that feel the same way as I do about this process. But you could care less. You have been accepted. Whatever. Let's just stick to the board topic. But, I sense that you will comeback with a smart a-- comment again. I am just questioning the process, so why in the heck are you mad?
Get well soon!!!
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Agreed. Problems with American healthcare don't lie with the admissions process. The process sucks, but it doesn't suck any more for Neil or DDoodle or than it does for me or anyone else. There is a lot of luck involved and unfortunately, there's not much that can be done about it OR there's not a much better way to do it (even if something could be done about it). That said, if someone doesn't get in, don't blame it on the system because people are getting in. Do what you need to do..
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Ive been rejected by a number of schools, including my top 3 choices so I dont know where you are going with this.
Some people get into every medical school they apply to, so there has to be some method to their madness. Does luck play a part in it?? yes for some, but I would trust the judgement of a group of people who have been doing this for years as opposed to a biased premed whos applied once, maybe twice.
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So I don't care much about how entitled 159 people in UNC's 2013 med. class are or aren't, nor do I care what their extracurriculars are, as long as I am #160.
I hope you guys can get it sorted out.
I hope you guys can get it sorted out.
there has been a lot of hostile attitude: between fighting for each other spots, wishing ill on one another, come on.... we all wants spots. we should also all 'help' one another by letting each other know when things get announced. that's all...
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If my comments were out of line, I apologize.
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To begin, no one can really compete for spots by posting on anonymous forums. It doesn't help nor hurt anyone.
However, I agree with you about helping each other. In fact, this board has been great in announcing "secretive" info. All I said was that the process is very random, and unfair to students who show great potential in medicine.
Lucky is sugarcoating the entire process. The right word I think is unfair.
But anyways, that's all I meant to say originally and throughout my posts. I just had to respond to people who called my and doodlesworth's comments cocky and demonstrating "sense of entitlement". I think I am right in questioning the system because so many excellent applicants feel this way.
But, I am also sorry if I offended anyone.
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I know it hurts to hear it, but if you talk to anyone who has been on an admissions committee, they will (and have to me several times) tell you that they do the best they can with the time, number of applicants and amount of information they have. I have even had them admit to me that they know that they will make mistakes and accept people who will fail out and reject perfectly good candidates. There are inherently some arbitrary aspects of the process. Just expect it and trust they the admissions committee is doing the best they can. Then when you get in, you can join the committee (UNC's has students on it) and see it from the other side.
Oh yeah, and no word yet. Are we expecting mail now?
Oh yeah, and no word yet. Are we expecting mail now?
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WOW....this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. "following protocols is trivial" I pity you. prick
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wow. That's a lot of anxiety.
No news here. I think UNC peaced-out on my app. What up with state schools taking so long? All the privates I applied to had a decision out in 6-10 weeks.
Boy this thread's burning up.
Considering the statistics: 42,000 (about 32,000 new applicant) applicants with about 18,000 students actually being accepted each year, no wonder it's frustrating for many of us. Seems like odds are primarily against us.
It has been exactly 10 weeks since I interviewed. Just hoping we'll all hear some favorable news in the very very near future.
Considering the statistics: 42,000 (about 32,000 new applicant) applicants with about 18,000 students actually being accepted each year, no wonder it's frustrating for many of us. Seems like odds are primarily against us.
It has been exactly 10 weeks since I interviewed. Just hoping we'll all hear some favorable news in the very very near future.
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Just wanted to say that I have given up checking my mail, email, and SDN everyday for good or bad news.
I'm moving to a commune (without internet to incessantly check) for the summer to have a pretty awesome life experience and guide rafts. Maybe I'll get that letter sometime this summer!
Good luck to UNC applicants and congrats to those accepted!
(But if you want to turn down your acceptance for a free rafting trip, let me know
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I'm moving to a commune (without internet to incessantly check) for the summer to have a pretty awesome life experience and guide rafts. Maybe I'll get that letter sometime this summer!
Good luck to UNC applicants and congrats to those accepted!
(But if you want to turn down your acceptance for a free rafting trip, let me know
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oh here we go again with hostility. It's like Disemminated Intravascular Coagulation. blood clots and then hemorrhage occurs later on. Or like Federer (hostility stops) vs. Nadal's (hostility begins) wimbledon match. Federe should have won that. He's the best tennis player ever. anyways. haha this is getting funny now but true.
Dude. You obviously think that most people around you who are not pre-meds, medical students, or doctors are dumb and stupid. It does not take a quantum physicist to figure out that one should make sure that at least the crossmatch is correct before giving blood tranfusion. Just to give you a trivial example. Compassion and following orders can be demonstrated by any normal decent human being. I am the one who should be pitying you because you think that you are above all else from the comment you made. The point that I made if you read my post correctly was that people who can use logic and reason can become very good doctors. Compassion, following orders, etc. are inherent for most normal decent human beings. You don't need a MD to be able to properly demonstrate compassion towards others. lol You tell me this. What good is a doctor who can demonstrate the latter qualities but makes wrong diagnoses most of the time? I wouldn't want that person to be my doc nor does anyone else I am sure. This is just an example. So, doctors need to be competent in thinking scientifically, logically, and with reasoning. pick your favorite. The latter stuff is intrinsic and any decent normal human being has those qualities.
I don't want to make people who are already in with avg. school stats to gang up on me and doodlesworth. I don't think any less of them and they are critical thinkers just like any other well-trained phycisians. I am just making a simple point. Please, I really do wish the best for all students who go to UNC and the ones starting in fall.
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Phew - Gotta love how the threads heat up when the decision deadlines are approaching. This is getting pretty close to what the Duke secondary thread looked like last week before the anticipated rejection emails.
Anyway, based on what I was told by the admissions office, the committee is working on determining who gets the remaining seats, waitlists, and rejections. BTW, admissions should still be notified by telephone. I like many of the posters here really don't like how long this process is (I cringe thinking that it has almost been an entire year since I took the MCAT), but at the same time, I realize just how important these decisions are. Yes, mistakes can be made, such as the person who is admitted and later drops out, but without the careful consideration taken by the adcom members, more seats could be given out to people who would later drop out, instead of giving it to to the applicants they feel are qualified; not just by numbers on a page, but probably by a feeling they get when interviewing applicants. (Hopefully some of us!) I wouldn't be surprised if many of the interviewers ask themselves "would I want to work with this person if they become a doctor?" when interviewing applicants. Some of the brightest and most qualified premeds I have met just based on stats I think would make absolutely dismal physicians, and definitely would not want them practicing on me, much less try to work with them just by their personalities and dispositions.
Anyway, based on what I was told by the admissions office, the committee is working on determining who gets the remaining seats, waitlists, and rejections. BTW, admissions should still be notified by telephone. I like many of the posters here really don't like how long this process is (I cringe thinking that it has almost been an entire year since I took the MCAT), but at the same time, I realize just how important these decisions are. Yes, mistakes can be made, such as the person who is admitted and later drops out, but without the careful consideration taken by the adcom members, more seats could be given out to people who would later drop out, instead of giving it to to the applicants they feel are qualified; not just by numbers on a page, but probably by a feeling they get when interviewing applicants. (Hopefully some of us!) I wouldn't be surprised if many of the interviewers ask themselves "would I want to work with this person if they become a doctor?" when interviewing applicants. Some of the brightest and most qualified premeds I have met just based on stats I think would make absolutely dismal physicians, and definitely would not want them practicing on me, much less try to work with them just by their personalities and dispositions.
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Hi aladin i just saw your edited post. Yes I am really 20.
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UNC should throw all the guys that havent been accepted in one cage, and all the girls that havent been accepted into another cage and let us duke it out. i bet that would solve everything.
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Yay - that sounds like fun. Or howabout a big airwalk with those gigantic boxing gloves?
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I'm small, but I'm scrappy. I would totally be down for that!
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Wow looks like I missed a lot over the past two days. I still check this site every day at the least, but I've sort of resigned myself to the reality of what's going on at this point. I think I went through all five stages of loss when I realized I might not make the cut at the beginning of February- Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance. In the end it's a simple numbers game. 40% of those interviewed instate are accepted. This means that 60% are rejected. And I've also had to come to terms with my weaknesses and how to work on them. I know my numbers, academic record and experiences were well above average. But I got rejected from everywhere. So I probably sounded like a tool in my essays and a **** in my interviews. I don't really know though- I've replayed the scenario over and over in my head.
The whole process is subjective, yes. But people are subjective, and it's foolish to think there is one simple, objective way to rank people. I figured my credentials would pull me through but clearly there is more to it than that.
In actuality I think UNC does it right. Medicine is a very humanistic profession. It requires constant diligence, due compassion, critical thought, deep intellect, critical thinking, absolute dedication, and the demonstration that you can handle all that at once with grace and poise. This is mostly because modern society has to expect so much from physicians, often expecting the same perfect diagnosis from each doctor, and then tearing them down when something is wrong. No one meets the criteria for a perfect doctor, but each of us brings something to the table and it takes all types. Neil100, you remind me of myself in a lot of ways, but you scare me with some of your comments. Make sure you're in this for the right reasons.
In the end it feels a lot like picking teams for kick ball at recess. The ones left behind go play with the girls on the monkey bars, maybe a little bitter at the ones who are playing. And why not, it's only human. And it's only recess, there's always next time.
The whole process is subjective, yes. But people are subjective, and it's foolish to think there is one simple, objective way to rank people. I figured my credentials would pull me through but clearly there is more to it than that.
In actuality I think UNC does it right. Medicine is a very humanistic profession. It requires constant diligence, due compassion, critical thought, deep intellect, critical thinking, absolute dedication, and the demonstration that you can handle all that at once with grace and poise. This is mostly because modern society has to expect so much from physicians, often expecting the same perfect diagnosis from each doctor, and then tearing them down when something is wrong. No one meets the criteria for a perfect doctor, but each of us brings something to the table and it takes all types. Neil100, you remind me of myself in a lot of ways, but you scare me with some of your comments. Make sure you're in this for the right reasons.
In the end it feels a lot like picking teams for kick ball at recess. The ones left behind go play with the girls on the monkey bars, maybe a little bitter at the ones who are playing. And why not, it's only human. And it's only recess, there's always next time.
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One piece of advice that I was given before reapplying was to call the schools that rejected you and see if they'll tell you why. Sometimes you get a short, but sweet answer over the phone, and some schools (like UNC and ECU) will actually let you set up an appointment with the Dean of Admissions to meet and figure out what your weaknesses are and how to improve on them. Especially if you get on it early in the game, you may have time to make a few fixes before the next round of apps go out.
Good luck! I know your frustration.
Good luck! I know your frustration.
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Definitely good advice! Dr. Peden at ECU was always very helpful. When I met with Dr. Hoole at UNC, he was not helpful at all. However, Dr. Bashford is EXTREMELY helpful and will give you great advice.
Even if you know what you need to do, meeting with them will show them that you are really dedicated to becoming a physician.
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Haha. I am neither in denial (costly for anyone), nor depressed (never depressed about anything) amongst other things you listed. You see, life is very simple but people tend to make it complex and then become their own worst enemies. There are different ways of living life. People these days choose to live the risky, "spontaneous" life.
But anyways, why are you calling yourself a **** and a reject?! Are you doing this just to mentally weaken yourself to the point that you'll do anything to become a doctor? Lighten up man. You need to show yourself some respect first. You need to be thankful to god (or higher source if you are an atheists) that has given you an opportunity to be a human. Don't waste it by trashing yourself.
I am not the only one questioning the validity of the process. I hope that is not a news flash. I have talked to tons of people and I many others have too complained about the process. When a LOT of people start to question something, there is something behind it that could possibly be looked at and corrected. All I am saying is that the process is unfair to very bright students who have just come out of college and show tremendous potential for being an excellent physician. I said that from the start and I stand by that. My position on this hasn't changed and most posters are going off on tangents about completely different things. I mean I just cannot logically understand how can a student fresh off from college who is very sound academically and involved in other non-academic activities can compete on clinical or "hands-on" experience (or "professional" attitude- let me tell you i don't see this all the time) with nurses, MPHs, PhD (for other reasons of course)? I mean I have talked to many residents about the process and a good number of them agree with what I have to say to one degree or another. Medicine/Healthcare is very imperfect and a LOT OF CHANGE is needed. Heck, even the politicians are onto it. But, admissions is the one place medicine cannot afford to be the most imperfect.
Plus, you can't judge people by what they post on here. This is after all an anonymous forum. I might be saying these things for no reason, you never know.
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really neil...how does someone straight out of undergrad with a 4.0 and 45 on the mcat show potential to be a great doctor. All you have shown is the capacity to do the course work and pass the boards.
...just another sign that neil is a prick...
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Seriously? I really don't agree with the name calling. I don't mind if people have heated discussions if they are using their manners and have valid points. Name calling on an anonymous forum is pointless. I would really appreciate it if you quit. You have made your point.
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So who else is interested to see how UNC did in the match?
Im kind of curious.
Im kind of curious.
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Nice work Chubs. I was thinking about looking for that this morning. Couch seemed much more enticing.
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I have been on topic the entire time but I'll will have to answer to this *****ic post.
oohhhhhhhhhh no he didnnnnnnnnnn'ttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh snappppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp dawwggggggggggg.
wait, let me go to my closet and start crying. lol. haha
you are such a tool dawg.
your name calling gives very clear glimpses of stupidity. I suggest you stop exposing your stupidity to the entire world. It's really irritating. prick??????? what the heck. you don't even deserve to be a doctor. What are you doing to do when your patient is not complying to what you say? Call them a prick. Oh, what a compassionate doctor!!!!
sorry to the rest about the name calling. but I will have to say this. Btw, I have been on topic the entire time.
Flyfishing (wow your name is representative of your stupidity) you have the IQ of a donkey and a personality of a flat pancake. And yes, I can somewhat tell who you are from your idiotic posts. People like you should be eliminated not just from medicine but from this society. Humanity is better off without you.
according to the pre-health committee at my school unc will send out all decisions on march 31st.
they switched up their application process halfway though the year and everyone that interviewed january onward will find out the same day.
they switched up their application process halfway though the year and everyone that interviewed january onward will find out the same day.
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let's keep the discussion in this thread civil, thanks.
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Makes plenty of sense considering no one has heard anything in a couple of weeks. Thanks for the info
id call them if they dont say anything by the 31st. other than that i dont really know. sorry!
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I was told by the admissions office that people should still be notified by phone if they are accepted - maybe the committee members have now decided to notify everyone at the end of the month?
Oh well. Que sera, sera.
Oh well. Que sera, sera.
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I know people who interviewed in January and received phone call acceptances in February. I also recall seeing someone who received the call in early March on here. I logged onto the interview scheduling site and 91 people out of 160 have replied either yes or no. Although we can't extract too much info regarding unfilled spaces from that at least it is not 160/160.
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Yeah I feel really SOL and hopeless... interviewed in Oct 🙁
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