2010-2011 Washington University in St. Louis Application Thread

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Hello everyone,

I just received an interview invitation for Washu, and I am trying to figure out what times to schedule my flight out of St. Louis.

I can't seem to figure out what time the interview day's activities end.

Do any of you have a general idea when things end for interviewee's on interview day and how much buffer time to put between the end of interview day to flight?

Thanks!

http://medschool.wustl.edu/admissions/visit.html

Click Sample Interview Day. It seems like at the latest it should be over by 3PM. I booked a flight for 6PM, so I'm hoping that's enough time... Google maps says it takes 16 minutes (25 in traffic) to get to the airport from the school.
 
http://medschool.wustl.edu/admissions/visit.html

Click Sample Interview Day. It seems like at the latest it should be over by 3PM. I booked a flight for 6PM, so I'm hoping that's enough time... Google maps says it takes 16 minutes (25 in traffic) to get to the airport from the school.

hm, interesting, so about 1/3 of the interviewees has more than one interview. anyone know why that is?
 
hm, interesting, so about 1/3 of the interviewees has more than one interview. anyone know why that is?

I had two interviews last year and this is how it was explained to me. They do this basically to check to make sure they don't need to do more than one interview for all the students. If they find that the two interviewers generally have very different opinions of the same student, that would let them know that it would be worthwhile to have each student interview with two people. However, if the interviewers generally get the same feel for the student, it shows that they only really need one interview.
 
I know there have been theories about this, but by when exactly do we have to get our dean's letter in?

I'm interviewing soon at Wash U and I don't have my dean's letter submitted yet. My dean has not been getting back to me as quickly as I'd like (which is understandable, he's very busy), so I'm not sure when he'll sign it. Do I absolutely need to get it in before I interview, or can I submit it shortly thereafter?
 
I know there have been theories about this, but by when exactly do we have to get our dean's letter in?

I'm interviewing soon at Wash U and I don't have my dean's letter submitted yet. My dean has not been getting back to me as quickly as I'd like (which is understandable, he's very busy), so I'm not sure when he'll sign it. Do I absolutely need to get it in before I interview, or can I submit it shortly thereafter?

It needs to be in before they can make a decision on you. You don't need it before your interview, but they don't meet super super often, so get it in ASAP so they can review your whole file.
 
Interview invite today! I was complete 8/6. Really excited about checking out the school. 🙂
 
well good morning interview invite! so nice to see you!

Complete 8/12. Interviewing on 11/8!
 
For those of you who are interviewing at WashU--I thought I would share a bit of my learning experience at WashU as a first year. I wish I had known some of it before I came.

The curriculum is very traditional--first year basic sciences with real microscopes for histology (we have 4 to 5 classes per block--right now Anatomy Histo Physio Biochem and Practice of Medicine); second year disease/dysfunction by organ systems. Common complaint is too much free time during first year, too much material during second year--unbalanced spread of materials. Very much lecture-based, very little interaction between students/professors during class. Midterm and final (usually not cumulative) for most of first year, and finals only for second year. You get about 4 weeks to study for boards at the end of second year compared to 8 or 9 weeks at other schools (e.g., UVa). Third year rotations start relatively late (June or July) compared to other schools (like UVA--March), which will affect your residency choice especially if you haven't rotated through everything by the time you apply during early 4th year. Teaching members of the faculty are not paid extra for teaching, so they split time between research and teaching--NOT like Hopkins or Vanderbilt that have dedicated teaching faculty.

Research has shown that students retain half of what students in interactive settings learn.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3886/is_200407/ai_n9427634/


So far at WashU, some people are fine with the curriculum; some are not so fine.

My point is this: Curriculum IS a very important part of medical school experience. When I was selecting schools, I thought it didn't matter what curriculum a school had because I would learn one way or another---but there IS a certain format where one can learn better. If you fall asleep during lectures, you probably want small group. If you retain better by studying for quizzes/tests often, you probably want frequently testing (U Michigan is great for that). If you learn better when you're presented with applications of knowledge than with just infobits, you want "integrated" curriculum. You'll get very little to none of that at Wash U.


First two years are just as important as your third and fourth years, and curriculum will largely determine how you learn during the first two years. Take my advice and seriously consider the curriculum of all the schools you are considering.
 
For those of you who are interviewing at WashU--I thought I would share a bit of my learning experience at WashU as a first year. I wish I had known some of it before I came.

The curriculum is very traditional--first year basic sciences with real microscopes for histology (we have 4 to 5 classes per block--right now Anatomy Histo Physio Biochem and Practice of Medicine); second year disease/dysfunction by organ systems. Common complaint is too much free time during first year, too much material during second year--unbalanced spread of materials. Very much lecture-based, very little interaction between students/professors during class. Midterm and final (usually not cumulative) for most of first year, and finals only for second year. You get about 4 weeks to study for boards at the end of second year compared to 8 or 9 weeks at other schools (e.g., UVa). Third year rotations start relatively late (June or July) compared to other schools (like UVA--March), which will affect your residency choice especially if you haven't rotated through everything by the time you apply during early 4th year. Teaching members of the faculty are not paid extra for teaching, so they split time between research and teaching--NOT like Hopkins or Vanderbilt that have dedicated teaching faculty.

Research has shown that students retain half of what students in interactive settings learn.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3886/is_200407/ai_n9427634/


So far at WashU, some people are fine with the curriculum; some are not so fine.

My point is this: Curriculum IS a very important part of medical school experience. When I was selecting schools, I thought it didn't matter what curriculum a school had because I would learn one way or another---but there IS a certain format where one can learn better. If you fall asleep during lectures, you probably want small group. If you retain better by studying for quizzes/tests often, you probably want frequently testing (U Michigan is great for that). If you learn better when you're presented with applications of knowledge than with just infobits, you want "integrated" curriculum. You'll get very little to none of that at Wash U.


First two years are just as important as your third and fourth years, and curriculum will largely determine how you learn during the first two years. Take my advice and seriously consider the curriculum of all the schools you are considering.
Thank you for taking the time to write this. Very insightful regarding medical school in general and Wash U in particular.
 
totally agree--thanks so much for letting us know all that!
 
For those of you who are interviewing at WashU--I thought I would share a bit of my learning experience at WashU as a first year. I wish I had known some of it before I came.

The curriculum is very traditional--first year basic sciences with real microscopes for histology (we have 4 to 5 classes per block--right now Anatomy Histo Physio Biochem and Practice of Medicine); second year disease/dysfunction by organ systems. Common complaint is too much free time during first year, too much material during second year--unbalanced spread of materials. Very much lecture-based, very little interaction between students/professors during class. Midterm and final (usually not cumulative) for most of first year, and finals only for second year. You get about 4 weeks to study for boards at the end of second year compared to 8 or 9 weeks at other schools (e.g., UVa). Third year rotations start relatively late (June or July) compared to other schools (like UVA--March), which will affect your residency choice especially if you haven't rotated through everything by the time you apply during early 4th year. Teaching members of the faculty are not paid extra for teaching, so they split time between research and teaching--NOT like Hopkins or Vanderbilt that have dedicated teaching faculty.

Research has shown that students retain half of what students in interactive settings learn.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3886/is_200407/ai_n9427634/


So far at WashU, some people are fine with the curriculum; some are not so fine.

My point is this: Curriculum IS a very important part of medical school experience. When I was selecting schools, I thought it didn't matter what curriculum a school had because I would learn one way or another---but there IS a certain format where one can learn better. If you fall asleep during lectures, you probably want small group. If you retain better by studying for quizzes/tests often, you probably want frequently testing (U Michigan is great for that). If you learn better when you're presented with applications of knowledge than with just infobits, you want "integrated" curriculum. You'll get very little to none of that at Wash U.


First two years are just as important as your third and fourth years, and curriculum will largely determine how you learn during the first two years. Take my advice and seriously consider the curriculum of all the schools you are considering.

I am also a first year, and I would like to respond to this.

Most of this information is true. Wash U has a traditional curriculum with an emphasis on normal human body function during the first year (pathology is not ignored by ANY means) and on abnormal function during second year. We do use real microscopes in histology IN ADDITION to digital projections and atlases. There is a lot of free time first year (first year is pass/fail), but that is actually a MAJOR reason I decided to come here: I enjoy free time. As for second year workload, I challenge you to find me a medical school that does not have a challenging second year curriculum. Also, do you really need 8-9 weeks off to study for Step 1?

Classes so far have primarily been lecture based, as Equality indicated. However, we have small-group sessions 2-3 times per week. We also have significantly more hospital time during our first year than compared to other medical schools (according to comparisons with friends in other medical schools). During our first month, we have had three in-hospital sessions at Barnes (one of the "top hospitals in the country", whatever that means), one off-site primary care session, and several opportunities for shadowing. I have already personally put staples into a patient's head in our Level 1 Trauma Center (this is not a typical experience, but the opportunity has certainly been made available to us), conducted an HPI and partial physical exam on two patients, and been offered a clinical research position by a cardiothoracic surgeon simply by being in the right spot at the right time.

My point is this: curriculum IS a very important part of medical school experience. Obviously, Wash U's curriculum does not work for some (see above). It DOES work for me, even though I do frequently fall asleep in lecture. I would go so far as to say that not only does it work for a majority of our class, but that we would not have it any other way. So please look at curriculum when considering your medical school choice. During your interviews, consider what would work for YOU, not what would work for some random person on Student Doctor Network (including me). And ask students in person. You will get a better impression of how happy they really are with their school than you ever could on this website.

If you have any questions about Wash U, I would be happy to honestly answer.
 
I am also a first year, and I would like to respond to this.

Most of this information is true. Wash U has a traditional curriculum with an emphasis on normal human body function during the first year (pathology is not ignored by ANY means) and on abnormal function during second year. We do use real microscopes in histology IN ADDITION to digital projections and atlases. There is a lot of free time first year (first year is pass/fail), but that is actually a MAJOR reason I decided to come here: I enjoy free time. As for second year workload, I challenge you to find me a medical school that does not have a challenging second year curriculum. Also, do you really need 8-9 weeks off to study for Step 1?

Classes so far have primarily been lecture based, as Equality indicated. However, we have small-group sessions 2-3 times per week. We also have significantly more hospital time during our first year than compared to other medical schools (according to comparisons with friends in other medical schools). During our first month, we have had three in-hospital sessions at Barnes (one of the "top hospitals in the country", whatever that means), one off-site primary care session, and several opportunities for shadowing. I have already personally put staples into a patient's head in our Level 1 Trauma Center (this is not a typical experience, but the opportunity has certainly been made available to us), conducted an HPI and partial physical exam on two patients, and been offered a clinical research position by a cardiothoracic surgeon simply by being in the right spot at the right time.

My point is this: curriculum IS a very important part of medical school experience. Obviously, Wash U's curriculum does not work for some (see above). It DOES work for me, even though I do frequently fall asleep in lecture. I would go so far as to say that not only does it work for a majority of our class, but that we would not have it any other way. So please look at curriculum when considering your medical school choice. During your interviews, consider what would work for YOU, not what would work for some random person on Student Doctor Network (including me). And ask students in person. You will get a better impression of how happy they really are with their school than you ever could on this website.

If you have any questions about Wash U, I would be happy to honestly answer.

I definitely want to echo all of this. I'd argue that most of the students feel the same way aweso does, I definitely do.

To address the Step 1 thing more (it seems to be the most concerning thing that Equality said in her post - many of you have asked me about this at the applicant pizza parties).

Think about when you studied for the MCAT. Some people focus their full energy on the MCAT for months and do nothing else in the meantime. Thus, these people expect to have the same opportunity to do so for Step 1. However, the people that spend this amount of time on MCAT studying are people who took the GChem, Organic, Physics, and Biology quite awhile before their MCAT. Most of the study time is spent relearning all that stuff that you conveniently forgot after you took that final. Additionally, during undergrad a good amount of your time is spent in humanities and other classes not covered on the MCAT.

Step 1 is not like this at all. You effectively study for Step 1 for two years, because the things on Step 1 are the things in all of your classes in medical school. This material builds on itself so it's not easy to forget it like it was for MCAT material. Sure, it might be a good idea to start going over old material during the last part of second year, but I assure you that all the little details you may forget from block to block are easily reviewed in that 4 weeks, and you'll still have plenty of time to do practice tests, etc.

If the 4 weeks were an issue, you'd expect to see the WashU students doing poorly on the boards relative to its comparable schools that have more time. This is simply not the case. We do just as well even with less time to study.

Take this as you will. Ask current students at your interview pizza party or at breakfast or at lunch or on your tour. We're happy to answer any questions you have.

So we kinda sorta have student side negatives to washu; what are the positives?

What I think sets WashU apart may not be what other people are looking for in a school, but I'll go through some of my favorite things about the school. I'm not saying the school is perfect - there are things that frustrate me as well, but as a whole, I don't think there's any other school out there better for me and I have never regretted choosing WashU.

As aweso mentioned, we have excellent opportunities for patient interaction. It's a bit scary because they just put us in a hospital and say, "go interview this patient," but it's an amazing learning opportunity. We have fourth years who go with us to help us out if we get stuck on what to ask, and they offer great feedback.

The research is AMAZING. This past summer I worked in a lab with the Chair of the Department of Medicine. I had zero science research and he took me into his lab and spent his resources teaching me all the techniques I needed to know. It would have been much easier for him to hire someone who already knew the skills, but the faculty here really care about teaching the students and instilling their passion for research and patient care in us. I've never seen faculty members so open to work with students.

The administration really cares about us as students. They want us to learn, obviously, but more importantly, they go out of their way to make sure that we are happy. They provide us a nice budget for class parties (yes, this means the school pay for our drunken debauchery after exams). They also really listen to us. If I ever had a problem with a class, I could contact the lecturer or coursemaster, discuss it with them, and they would do something to fix it (we even have people in our class who are responsible for these kinds of talks with the professors). On a bigger scale, I can email any of the deans and they will take time out of their schedule to meet with me regarding whatever I want to discuss with them.

I mean I can type all day long about how awesome I think WashU is, but it really doesn't mean much to you people unless you actually see it for yourself. I can't tell you how much I think you'll get from going to the applicant pizza parties and just talking to the students. We LOVE meeting applicants and answering your questions about school or just hanging out.

If you can't make it to your pizza party because of a late flight or something (that was the case for me), PM me and I'll set up something for you so that you can talk to current students.

As always, any questions about WashU or anything, contact me. I'd be happy to help. 🙂
 
For those that have interviewed and stayed in Olin, what's that like?

Olin is a dorm. No better way to put it. The rooms are a bit depressing when not decorated, but it's nice enough. WashU will provide you with sheets and towels. There are hall bathrooms so don't forget your shower shoes! If you're bored, go to the 11th floor, there's a big screen TV, pool, ping pong, etc. You'll have to check out the equipment and/or remote from the front desk. If you need internet, you can get an Ethernet cord from the front desk, as well.
 
I definitely want to echo all of this. I'd argue that most of the students feel the same way aweso does, I definitely do.

To address the Step 1 thing more (it seems to be the most concerning thing that Equality said in her post - many of you have asked me about this at the applicant pizza parties).

Think about when you studied for the MCAT. Some people focus their full energy on the MCAT for months and do nothing else in the meantime. Thus, these people expect to have the same opportunity to do so for Step 1. However, the people that spend this amount of time on MCAT studying are people who took the GChem, Organic, Physics, and Biology quite awhile before their MCAT. Most of the study time is spent relearning all that stuff that you conveniently forgot after you took that final. Additionally, during undergrad a good amount of your time is spent in humanities and other classes not covered on the MCAT.

Step 1 is not like this at all. You effectively study for Step 1 for two years, because the things on Step 1 are the things in all of your classes in medical school. This material builds on itself so it's not easy to forget it like it was for MCAT material. Sure, it might be a good idea to start going over old material during the last part of second year, but I assure you that all the little details you may forget from block to block are easily reviewed in that 4 weeks, and you'll still have plenty of time to do practice tests, etc.

If the 4 weeks were an issue, you'd expect to see the WashU students doing poorly on the boards relative to its comparable schools that have more time. This is simply not the case. We do just as well even with less time to study.

Take this as you will. Ask current students at your interview pizza party or at breakfast or at lunch or on your tour. We're happy to answer any questions you have.



What I think sets WashU apart may not be what other people are looking for in a school, but I'll go through some of my favorite things about the school. I'm not saying the school is perfect - there are things that frustrate me as well, but as a whole, I don't think there's any other school out there better for me and I have never regretted choosing WashU.

As aweso mentioned, we have excellent opportunities for patient interaction. It's a bit scary because they just put us in a hospital and say, "go interview this patient," but it's an amazing learning opportunity. We have fourth years who go with us to help us out if we get stuck on what to ask, and they offer great feedback.

The research is AMAZING. This past summer I worked in a lab with the Chair of the Department of Medicine. I had zero science research and he took me into his lab and spent his resources teaching me all the techniques I needed to know. It would have been much easier for him to hire someone who already knew the skills, but the faculty here really care about teaching the students and instilling their passion for research and patient care in us. I've never seen faculty members so open to work with students.

The administration really cares about us as students. They want us to learn, obviously, but more importantly, they go out of their way to make sure that we are happy. They provide us a nice budget for class parties (yes, this means the school pay for our drunken debauchery after exams). They also really listen to us. If I ever had a problem with a class, I could contact the lecturer or coursemaster, discuss it with them, and they would do something to fix it (we even have people in our class who are responsible for these kinds of talks with the professors). On a bigger scale, I can email any of the deans and they will take time out of their schedule to meet with me regarding whatever I want to discuss with them.

I mean I can type all day long about how awesome I think WashU is, but it really doesn't mean much to you people unless you actually see it for yourself. I can't tell you how much I think you'll get from going to the applicant pizza parties and just talking to the students. We LOVE meeting applicants and answering your questions about school or just hanging out.

If you can't make it to your pizza party because of a late flight or something (that was the case for me), PM me and I'll set up something for you so that you can talk to current students.

As always, any questions about WashU or anything, contact me. I'd be happy to help. 🙂

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For those of you who are interviewing at WashU--I thought I would share a bit of my learning experience at WashU as a first year. I wish I had known some of it before I came.

The curriculum is very traditional--first year basic sciences with real microscopes for histology (we have 4 to 5 classes per block--right now Anatomy Histo Physio Biochem and Practice of Medicine); second year disease/dysfunction by organ systems. Common complaint is too much free time during first year, too much material during second year--unbalanced spread of materials. Very much lecture-based, very little interaction between students/professors during class. Midterm and final (usually not cumulative) for most of first year, and finals only for second year. You get about 4 weeks to study for boards at the end of second year compared to 8 or 9 weeks at other schools (e.g., UVa). Third year rotations start relatively late (June or July) compared to other schools (like UVA--March), which will affect your residency choice especially if you haven't rotated through everything by the time you apply during early 4th year. Teaching members of the faculty are not paid extra for teaching, so they split time between research and teaching--NOT like Hopkins or Vanderbilt that have dedicated teaching faculty.

Research has shown that students retain half of what students in interactive settings learn.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3886/is_200407/ai_n9427634/


So far at WashU, some people are fine with the curriculum; some are not so fine.

My point is this: Curriculum IS a very important part of medical school experience. When I was selecting schools, I thought it didn't matter what curriculum a school had because I would learn one way or another---but there IS a certain format where one can learn better. If you fall asleep during lectures, you probably want small group. If you retain better by studying for quizzes/tests often, you probably want frequently testing (U Michigan is great for that). If you learn better when you're presented with applications of knowledge than with just infobits, you want "integrated" curriculum. You'll get very little to none of that at Wash U.


First two years are just as important as your third and fourth years, and curriculum will largely determine how you learn during the first two years. Take my advice and seriously consider the curriculum of all the schools you are considering.

Couple thoughts on the bold (coming from another current first year).

1. Fact. This school is very traditional. Two key points to understand is a. "traditional" does not equate with "bad." It reflects a certain style of learning, aka the style you are most likely currently acquainted to in college. b. the professors here are often very receptive to change. a symbolic quote from a professor. "I won't change just because something is 'novel.' I will change because something works." Its a pretty good representation of how the school feels - almost every professor I talk to loves to get feedback and is very willing to implement student input, but students here after third and fourth year consistently have very positive ratings of their preclinical experience, and oftentimes classes have different styles and wishes - sometimes we will propose suggestions to professors who have actually made those changes in the past, and changed back when ensuing classes complained. This style is not ideal for me, but I honestly don't think breaking into interactive small groups with student TAs would work any better for me.

2. Also fact. The curriculum ramps up in the second year. Couple thoughts on this: a. every school has a more difficult second year. b. it allows students to adjust to medical school and "get their feet wet." this is especially important in leveling the playing field for non-science majors and non-trads to learn how to learn science (something that as a non-trad, I greatly appreciate, considering that learning this material is a lot harder than I expected). this was also the primary consideration in making the first year pass/fail. c. it gives us the chance to explore saint louis (something many people in the class definitely do regularly) and to explore the other amazing non-curricular opportunities this school offers (like research, shadowing, etc...). This may not be the best for everyone, but I definitely appreciate it.

3. While the curriculum is very lecture-based, and while obviously there isn't much student/professor interaction during lectures, I completely disagree with the overall characterization. For example, in anatomy lab (3x/week), there are ALWAYS at least five faculty members rotating around 30 tables, as well as often additional surgeons on hand to explain interesting clinical findings on our cadavers. This does not include the 1 or 2 fourth-year radiology residents that concurrently lead small group sessions on reading images, or the 5 - 8 student TAs (older graduate or medical students). In histology lab (1X/week), there are almost always 2 professors for every room of ~40 students (5 professors for three rooms), and additionally at least 2 TAs per room. Our Practice of Medicine small groups (at least 2/week) are always led by a doctor (small groups are from 8 - 15 students), and my hospital sessions have 2 doctors and 2 fourth years for six students. POM is the majority of our small groups, so >90% of our small group sessions are faculty-led. This compares favorably to many other medical schools were I have friends, which while they may have more small group time, their small groups are often led by TAs, who, in many instances, are also evaluating the students. Also, its hard to overstate how much this entire medical center loves its students, as you will hear from anyone that has a research or shadow experience (which are insanely easy to find), so there is no lack of extra-curricular faculty opportunity.

4. Does paying the teachers improve their effectiveness? I get the impression from the professors with whom I interact that teaching is a top priority, and I don't mind that the 7 months a year that they don't teach anatomy they are in Somalia looking for ancient humans to study their anatomy. (true story).

5. There are obviously many things I would like to change about the curriculum, but I would not call it a "weakness" of the school. Obviously it is something you should take heavily into consideration. My own two cents (since someone asked about the positives) is that the biggest reason I love this school is how AWESOME my classmates are. They are so talented, and incredible, most are chill and laid-back, and are always down to hang out, whether we are studying anatomy, drinking beers on an apt rooftop, or raging downtown. The second biggest reason is this city: Saint Louis is an awesome city to be a student (blew my expectations away) - there is a ton to do, very cheaply, easy to get around (this coming from someone that has exclusively lived in large cities on both coasts until now).

my biggest piece of advice is that if you have any doubts, SPEAK TO AS MANY STUDENTS HERE AS POSSIBLE. Go to the pizza party if you get an interview, and if you get in, then COME TO SECOND LOOK WEEKEND. it completely revolutionized my vision of this school, and led to me to making an awesome decision. Come hang out with us, check out the city. You may still not like it, in which case I'm sure you will go somewhere you will be awesomely happy and successful, but I'm guessing you will think WashU is pretty sweet.
 
Got an interview today! Going down to STL 10/22. Does anyone know if there is parking on campus? I'll most likely be driving.
 
Got an interview today! Going down to STL 10/22. Does anyone know if there is parking on campus? I'll most likely be driving.


If the medical school is on the main campus, there is plenty of visitor parking, including a parking garage right next to the main student center.
 
For those of you who are interviewing at WashU--I thought I would share a bit of my learning experience at WashU as a first year. I wish I had known some of it before I came.

Equality, since you seem to be the only student with a different perspective towards washu I was wondering if you could share your thoughts about the social life at washu and in the city of st. Louis. Thanks!
 
Anyone gunna be there on Tuesday for the interview?

I was planning on it but had to switch to Thursday. Let us know how it goes and fill us in on anything you wish you knew prior to attending.

Btw, ksmi...WOW, I hope you have a strong heart. You need one to follow LSU football this year 🙂
 
I was planning on it but had to switch to Thursday. Let us know how it goes and fill us in on anything you wish you knew prior to attending.

Btw, ksmi...WOW, I hope you have a strong heart. You need one to follow LSU football this year 🙂

Definitely will - I usually write a brief post about the interview day when I'm waiting at the airport. 😎
 
My application was complete for MSTP on 10/6. Does anyone know how often they meet to give out interviews? Also, does anyone know what the format for MSTP interviews is like? I remember the interview was very informal when I applied to just the MD program a couple years ago (was waitlisted), but I expect the process for the MSTP to be quite different.
 
Just finished up with the interview day! The schedule consists of a quick orientation talk (~20 minutes) beginning at 8:00, a discussion on financial aid (~30 minutes), and then the group breaks out from there; some people have interviews while others go on a tour. The tour groups were pretty small (3 people per group), and the tour is pretty long and gives you a fairly complete look at the school's facilities (though not so much for the clinical facilities). Our whole interview group was only about 10 people.

As was mentioned earlier, some people get two interviews while others have only one. I had two, and my second interviewer said that the purpose of the interview was for quality control and, perhaps, to get a different perspective on an applicant. He was clear to say, though, that having two interviews rather than one doesn't help or hurt you. If you get two interviews, one will be longer than the other. My first interview was ~45 minutes long while the second was ~20-25 minutes.

If you have the chance, I would definitely recommend the "student organization" breakfast. It really wasn't organization-focused at all and was basically a few MS1s/MS2s talking about the school. I thought it was pretty informative and worth the early wake-up.

You're pretty much on your own with respect to getting to places; the admissions staff will give you general directions, but you aren't escorted to places or anything like that. You're just expected to show up at the appropriate place at the appropriate time.

As far as Olin lodgings go, they really weren't bad. You get a room to yourself and, like ksmi said earlier, it's just a dorm room. You do get linens and all that stuff, though, so don't worry about bringing a towel or pillow(s). You also get access to the gym, but it's being renovated through the end of the month. Unless you can't stay in Olin for whatever reason, I'd recommend doing your lodging there. The interview day begins literally about a 2 minute walk away from the dorm, so it couldn't be more convenient.

Best of luck!
 
If I haven't heard back by now am I likely going to be rejected? I was complete end of July. Does WashU give out interviews in order of completion date? Anyone else in the same boat, or received invites recently and were complete around the end of July? 3.8/38.
 
I am in the same boat as you excalibur. Very similar stats completed early (1st week) of july. im complete on status page but haven't heard anything.
 
I also forgot to mention that you get these awesome ID cards that you get to keep. Maybe I was the only one excited about that.

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Our entire interview group was pretty excited about these. We looked so official! haha.

I enjoyed my visit here a lot. My second interview was strange though.... it was supposed to be a shorter one (half hour max) but ended up being an hour, and for most of it I wasn't talking. The interviewer basically gave me a lecture about why I should come to WashU and that I overapplied to schools... but also that it was AMCAS's fault for not telling me that I shouldn't have applied to so many schools(???) I don't know. He was old and a little difficult to follow at times, but all in all was very enthusiastic about WashU and how it was at the forefront of medical schools instituting changes to make medical education more flexible and personalized for the students.
 
Just finished WashU's interview. Really great place - definitely went way up in my book after the interview. Everyone is really enthusiastic about the school and literally everyone I talked to mentioned before anything else how collegial and supportive it was. I don't know if all schools are like this, but I was definitely struck by it.

I also had the second interview - it was pretty short. The first was a great interview - about an hour and a half, all of it really interesting and relaxed. The second seemed like more an administrative, matter-of-fact type thing, asking what I had done to help people; research; how I'd handle giving bad news as a doctor.

Overall an impressive presentation from an impressive school.
 
Those of you who have interviewed already--did you go to the pizza party the night before the interview? I'm planning on going to the breakfast but my mom is coming to St. Louis with me (girls' weekend, lol) and I don't really want to abandon her 😳

For humor's sake--my mom when I invited her to come along with me and make a weekend out of my interview trip:
Mom: "Really? Are you sure I can't come on the med school tour with you? People's parents don't come along?"
Me: :roflcopter:
 
Our entire interview group was pretty excited about these. We looked so official! haha.

I enjoyed my visit here a lot. My second interview was strange though.... it was supposed to be a shorter one (half hour max) but ended up being an hour, and for most of it I wasn't talking. The interviewer basically gave me a lecture about why I should come to WashU and that I overapplied to schools... but also that it was AMCAS's fault for not telling me that I shouldn't have applied to so many schools(???) I don't know. He was old and a little difficult to follow at times, but all in all was very enthusiastic about WashU and how it was at the forefront of medical schools instituting changes to make medical education more flexible and personalized for the students.

Was it Dr. Ferguson by chance? He was my second interviewer last year and we had basically the same discussion.

Those of you who have interviewed already--did you go to the pizza party the night before the interview? I'm planning on going to the breakfast but my mom is coming to St. Louis with me (girls' weekend, lol) and I don't really want to abandon her 😳

For humor's sake--my mom when I invited her to come along with me and make a weekend out of my interview trip:
Mom: "Really? Are you sure I can't come on the med school tour with you? People's parents don't come along?"
Me: :roflcopter:

The pizza party is awesome if I do say so myself, and if you really really want to go and don't want to abandon your mom, I don't think any of the current students/interviewees would mind your mom tagging along to the pizza party.

That being said, there's nothing you can't get from the breakfast that you would get from the pizza party. You'll probably have different students with you (late night studiers waiting around for the pizza vs. early risers who love free breakfast), but they'll still just as willing to answer questions for you or just tell you about the school or whatever you want. The pizza party is just a more chill event than the breakfast, a bit more lenient with time, and there are generally more current students there than at breakfast.
 
Our entire interview group was pretty excited about these. We looked so official! haha.

I enjoyed my visit here a lot. My second interview was strange though.... it was supposed to be a shorter one (half hour max) but ended up being an hour, and for most of it I wasn't talking. The interviewer basically gave me a lecture about why I should come to WashU and that I overapplied to schools... but also that it was AMCAS's fault for not telling me that I shouldn't have applied to so many schools(???) I don't know. He was old and a little difficult to follow at times, but all in all was very enthusiastic about WashU and how it was at the forefront of medical schools instituting changes to make medical education more flexible and personalized for the students.

Did you tell him the other schools you were applying too, or did he knew before hand?
 
Just finished WashU's interview. Really great place - definitely went way up in my book after the interview. Everyone is really enthusiastic about the school and literally everyone I talked to mentioned before anything else how collegial and supportive it was. I don't know if all schools are like this, but I was definitely struck by it.

I also had the second interview - it was pretty short. The first was a great interview - about an hour and a half, all of it really interesting and relaxed. The second seemed like more an administrative, matter-of-fact type thing, asking what I had done to help people; research; how I'd handle giving bad news as a doctor.

Overall an impressive presentation from an impressive school.

Interviewed earlier this week. Had the exact same experience. This was my first medical school interview and Dr. Owens really made me feel comfortable. A good guy and very interesting. Second interview was also similar to your experience. Much harder to gauge how well that one went. Yes, it is a very impressive school and everything is just top notch. Would love to go here!!!

Those of you who have interviewed already--did you go to the pizza party the night before the interview? I'm planning on going to the breakfast but my mom is coming to St. Louis with me (girls' weekend, lol) and I don't really want to abandon her 😳

For humor's sake--my mom when I invited her to come along with me and make a weekend out of my interview trip:
Mom: "Really? Are you sure I can't come on the med school tour with you? People's parents don't come along?"
Me: :roflcopter:

My mom also came along for my interview trip. I had 3 schools to interview at during the week and she wanted to come along and see some of the schools. She was fine not going to the pizza party and relaxed in her room and ordered dinner from room service (travelled from the west coast and it was a very long day). I did not attend the breakfast as it sounded like it was geared towards specific groups.
 
My mom also came along for my interview trip. I had 3 schools to interview at during the week and she wanted to come along and see some of the schools. She was fine not going to the pizza party and relaxed in her room and ordered dinner from room service (travelled from the west coast and it was a very long day). I did not attend the breakfast as it sounded like it was geared towards specific groups.

Yeah, I'm not really sure why they sell it to y'all that way. Because it's not about student groups at all. Technically, we are supposed to be representing our respective groups, but that's not generally what happens. We just like to be there to answer questions about anything/everything for y'all. Not to try and sell you our organizations.

So I'd recommend that everyone go to the breakfast regardless of whether you care about the student groups or not.
 
Yeah, I'm not really sure why they sell it to y'all that way. Because it's not about student groups at all. Technically, we are supposed to be representing our respective groups, but that's not generally what happens. We just like to be there to answer questions about anything/everything for y'all. Not to try and sell you our organizations.

So I'd recommend that everyone go to the breakfast regardless of whether you care about the student groups or not.

Agreed, that was my experience. Student organizations weren't mentioned at all... it was just 5-6 MS1s and a MS2 talking to us about the school when I went.
 
Yeah, I'm not really sure why they sell it to y'all that way. Because it's not about student groups at all. Technically, we are supposed to be representing our respective groups, but that's not generally what happens. We just like to be there to answer questions about anything/everything for y'all. Not to try and sell you our organizations.

So I'd recommend that everyone go to the breakfast regardless of whether you care about the student groups or not.

Agreed, that was my experience. Student organizations weren't mentioned at all... it was just 5-6 MS1s and a MS2 talking to us about the school when I went.

Too late for me 🙁, but I'm sure others coming in for interviews will certainly appreciate the advice! 👍👍
 
I know that it's still very early but I was hoping to gain some insight into the selection process. I went through the thread from last year and this is what I have so far:

-committee meets monthly (first time they meet is Nov.)
-few Nov. acceptances
-committee (which is 75 individuals according to WashU's website) is divided into regions
-LSU is going to be taken to the woodshed by Auburn this Saturday

Does anyone have any additional enlightening information they wish to share with everyone? Perhaps this issue was addressed during someone's orientation or ksmi would like to chime in. How many regions are there? I was eavesdropping on a conversation Dr. Chung was having at another table during lunch and she said something about "10 applicants per ____". Is there some limit to how many applicants can be nominated/accepted per region? Or is this limit on the number of applicants a committee member may nominate?

Just a little curious. Okay, maybe a little more interested than curious...I really, really liked this school! Thanks to anyone who has any additional info!
 
I know that it's still very early but I was hoping to gain some insight into the selection process. I went through the thread from last year and this is what I have so far:

-committee meets monthly (first time they meet is Nov.)
-few Nov. acceptances
-committee (which is 75 individuals according to WashU's website) is divided into regions
-LSU is going to be taken to the woodshed by Auburn this Saturday

Them be fighting words. :nono: It's so not happening. Les Miles is too lucky to lose.

Does anyone have any additional enlightening information they wish to share with everyone? Perhaps this issue was addressed during someone's orientation or ksmi would like to chime in. How many regions are there? I was eavesdropping on a conversation Dr. Chung was having at another table during lunch and she said something about "10 applicants per ____". Is there some limit to how many applicants can be nominated/accepted per region? Or is this limit on the number of applicants a committee member may nominate?

Just a little curious. Okay, maybe a little more interested than curious...I really, really liked this school! Thanks to anyone who has any additional info!

I'm glad to hear that you liked it. But honestly, I have not the slightest idea about the regions and stuff. The first years really aren't involved in the admissions process besides the pizza parties and the breakfasts. Beyond that we know as much as you do. We have no say in admissions. *Just reiterating that - y'all can really ask the students anything*

All I can say now is be patient until mid-November which is when the first acceptances should go out. :xf:
 
Has anyone interviewed with Dean Dodson before? If so, do you mind sharing your experience? (here or PM, either is okay) I will be interviewing with him this week.
 
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