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Nice! Congrats! Are they still interviewing in Feb? I am starting to lose hope with this school 🙁
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Nice! Congrats! Are they still interviewing in Feb? I am starting to lose hope with this school 🙁
Yeah..My interview is scheduled on February 27. This was the first application that I submitted in July so it is true that they have a very random review process. I would not lose hope yet.
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I'm pretty sure they interview into Late March-Early April. Don't lose hope yet!
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I have an interview the 13th. How quickly have people heard back?
The next morning. You'll receive an email and your online status will be modified.
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I promised I would do a more detailed write up on my thoughts on UB after I had some time to reflect. Just to give some background on me because I think perspective is important in understanding someone's opinion, I've been invited to 9 interviews, attended 6, and was accepted to 6. Please understand I say this just to explain that I've seen a number of facilities, curricula, etc. to compare. I used to write for a newspaper so once I get going sometimes I write a lot, so I apologize in advance for the wall of text.
The things that impressed me about UB,
PROs:
-The administration/staff/faculty were outstanding individuals that really cared. Many schools had friendly admissions staff, but UB had supportive/friendly clinical faculty, science faculty, and other staff. They were serious about fostering a non-competitive environment. Many people have been with the school for years, and continued in alternative roles long into their retirement. They had memorials all over campus to various people who contributed in the slightest way, and were very proud of their community The dean was also very clear that he expected people to use their strengths to contribute to community members weak in that given area, and vice versa. They even frame the pictures of every graduating class because they are very proud of each class. It is clear they spend ample time mentoring students and helping them fulfill their dream for residency as well.
-The students were a great group of interesting people. I ran into many students that weren't part of the "lunch time Q&A" and they all offered similar sentiments. They loved the school mostly for the administration and faculty, they loved the curriculum mostly for it's schedule (8am-12pm) left them with a lot of time to schedule life. Many students expressed that they felt they had the ability to do more with their day than their peers at other schools. They were probably the best balance between laid back and driven that I've seen. (This isn't my comparison thread, but just for reference, at Stony Brook students were a little more towards the driven/competitive side and the SUNY Upstate were too far towards the laid back/lackadaisical side). One student actually stopped watching a game in the lounge to ask me about myself, and he said, "You'd fit in perfect, I hope you come here next year."
-Research: There is far better research available at UB than at Upstate/Downstate, and I would say about equal with Stony Brook. To me, Stony Brook and UB are in their own league compared to the other two ( I know people tout the clinical experience at Downstate, but I actually thought UB offered more and I'll explain why later). Come 2016 I believe UB will surpass the other SUNY's in research (after launching their downtown collaborative research center). They also have a great Bioinformatics research institute created by a grant from the state: ( http://www.bioinformatics.buffalo.edu/. IMHO, this is a very important discipline for medical schools to track for the future, and shows to me that the school will stay relevant as the information age continues to accelerate. By the time the school moves downtown in 2016, their modern research facilities, addition of 100 faculty members, and increased budget will make it hard for them not to shoot up in the research rankings, those that attend this year will graduate from a school ranked ahead of where it currently stands for sure (not that I put much stock into USNews, but for those that do this is an important consideration)
-Clinical-This is an area I was surprised. I went to UB thinking that lack of a University Hospital was a disadvantage, because that myth was perpetuated on these forums continuously. I often read questions like Stony Vs UB VS Downstate? To which some pre-med usually answered, UB doesn't have a hospital so the clinical experience is inferior. This is not necessarily true. UB doesn't have A University Hospital, it has EVERY hospital in the greater buffalo area at its disposal. People will often make comparisons between the population of NYC vs Buffalo, but there is a distinction often forgotten when making this comparison, the entire 1million person population of Erie county belongs to UB and UB alone. One of the clinical professors I spoke with said it best at my interview. He Said, "The UB short white coat is a pass into every hospital and clinic in the greater Buffalo-Niagara area, There is no other school to compete with." After speaking with students I found this to be very true, and likely a contributing factor to why UB students end up matching exceptionally well.
-Curriculum-I liked the systems based portion, I really believe systems based has a great deal of merit and research to back it up. I also appreciate the longitudinal clinical experience as well as the schedule (although I'd prefer 9-1 over 8-12 personally lol). Although there is no built in board prep/review, this schedule leaves a couple of hours per day to review. The professors have a great deal of autonomy which can be a good and bad thing. It creates a passionate faculty that care about what they do, but also makes classes variable in style, difficulty, and board relevance. There is time off for boards, and an old board prep course available digitally. They also video record the classes, and students said they are up within an hour. THere are also minimal lecture hours leaving plenty of time for independent study, electives, etc. Many classes still have mandatory attendance (according to the professor who presented on the curriculum) but a student told me conflicting information, so I'm unsure which is true. If true, UB is the only school I interviewed at that had mandatory classes, this is a good thing if you are a lecture learner but something to be aware of if you are an independent learner looking for minimal lecture hours. The clinical training years are outstanding, and the clinical skills center was probably one of the best I've seen (despite being approx. 19 years old.) The attending physician I spoke with raved about the clinical proficiency of UB students. I was told my several students that Dr. Severin is an outstanding Anatomy professor (thoracic, I believe, someone correct me if I'm wrong).
-The City, Buffalo gets a bad rep because of its temperature, average snowfall, lack of culture, and crime. All of these are valid issues, but don't really contribute to the quality of education, but maybe the quality of life. What I will say is that there are some interesting historical parts of buffalo that are relatively safe. The suburbs of buffalo are extremely safe, and probably have the cheapest cost of living in the entire country. You can rent a large, modern 2 bedroom house for roughly 600 dollars including utilities in some suburban neighborhoods within 10 minutes of UB. Also, people often mention that Toronto is about 2 hours away, and is an outstanding city, clean, safe, and has great culture, and a Broadway like district. While this is true, Niagara Falls, Canada is only about a half hour away and is a great getaway that people from all over the world visit. There is a great area past the tourist area of Clifton Hill that has a great restaurant, pub, music venue scene in a relatively safe neighborhood. Plus Niagara Falls state park is a great peaceful getaway in the spring. Overall, Buffalo doesn't have the greatest "vibe" but it does have it's charm, but you have own a car to really experience it. EDIT: Also, Buffalo is fully aware that it is in snow country and has some of the largest malls I've seen. These aren't just "shopping malls" but full of restaurants, pubs, sports bars, etc. It's kind of unique.
The fact that the president of the University has prioritized expansion/relocation/renovation of the medical school in the UB 2020 plan says good things about the future of the school. They university wide tuition raise of roughly $200 is all contributing to the medical/research facilities. While the medical school is only a small cog in the research/biotech/science campus, the collective collaborative environment means great opportunity for the school.
http://www.buffalorising.com/2011/05/ub-unveils-proposal-to-build-medical-school-downtown-needs-albany-blessing.html
Cons:
-Admin/Faculty: I didn't really find any negatives.
-Students: Seemed like a great, well balanced group.
-Research-Currently the facilities are pretty spread out, and it won't be until 2016 that there is a more concentrated research presence. Perfectly fine for those with a car. Again, this is more of a driving around school than a walking/biking city.
-Clinical-Although students have exclusive access to several affiliated hospitals, they are pretty spread out. Also, no single hospital stands out as a "Great" hospital. Roswell Park does, but in a very one dimensional way (Cancer Hospital). Buffalo General Hospital has a respected Neurosurgery department, but that's about it. Other than that the hospitals tend to be average.
-Curriculum- I did have some concerns here, but balanced with the pros listed above. I do love the systems based approach, but was disconcerted by the traditional anatomy block with what seemed like an over-booked shared lab (8 to a table). It is the only school I interviewed at that didn't have close to 24 hour keycard access, it had very limited technology component (most other schools had a digital work station next to each cadaver with access to ADAM and MRI scans of the cadaver etc.) Maybe an M1 can chime in as to how important these things are, or if they're just useless "glitter" to sell the school.
Also, I like when systems schools spread Anatomy out over the first 2 years because it keeps it relevant and fresh in one's head. Buffalo was the only school at which I interviewed that does not give board style exams, or preclinical NBME's. I know Stony Brook just switched, and a few schools that didn't use NBMEs, created their own board style questions. Also, there is no school sponsored board prep, practice board, etc according to the gentleman who ran our presentation. There is, I believe 5 weeks at the end of M1 to study, but you are essentially on your own.
Finally I have a few concerns about conflicting reports on the old school "mandatory lecture" style vs. the much more commonplace standardized curricula, testing, independent study with online modules/video etc. Also, I had minimal concerns about certain aging aspects of the school (moot point by 2016), including the teaching aids(e.g. technology used by faculty) this could just be a false assumption based on the fact that the curriculum presentation was done on overhead projector with transparencies lol. I think this again is attributed to long time independent faculty that do things the way they have done them for years, which comes with it's positives (wealth of knowledge) and negatives (old school teaching methods). None of these overshadowed all of the positives above, they were just weak points from my perspective, others may have a valid alternative view.
One final thing, is the H, HS, S, F system. For a school that is very anti-competitive, I wonder why they haven't adopted a full PF, or H, P, F system. It seems like a logical step, but I'm sure they have their reasoning.
-City- Buffalo: Crime, Cold, Spread Out, the culture isn't amazing. Niagara: 30 mins away. Toronto: 2 Hrs Away.
-Many of the great improvements will not be accessible until 2016, that said, some of the current facilities and teaching aids could really use updating.
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I hope this was helpful for someone! Also, a positive I forgot to mention is that it seems as if the administration is extremely open to input from students, and takes recommendations seriously. There were also a great deal of clubs, programs, student clinics, etc. Also, look up the match list, it is outstanding. I think this is largely to do with the staff actively engaging with PDs. Also, many deans/administrators also teach which is great for building relationships for LORs.
The things that impressed me about UB,
PROs:
-The administration/staff/faculty were outstanding individuals that really cared. Many schools had friendly admissions staff, but UB had supportive/friendly clinical faculty, science faculty, and other staff. They were serious about fostering a non-competitive environment. Many people have been with the school for years, and continued in alternative roles long into their retirement. They had memorials all over campus to various people who contributed in the slightest way, and were very proud of their community The dean was also very clear that he expected people to use their strengths to contribute to community members weak in that given area, and vice versa. They even frame the pictures of every graduating class because they are very proud of each class. It is clear they spend ample time mentoring students and helping them fulfill their dream for residency as well.
-The students were a great group of interesting people. I ran into many students that weren't part of the "lunch time Q&A" and they all offered similar sentiments. They loved the school mostly for the administration and faculty, they loved the curriculum mostly for it's schedule (8am-12pm) left them with a lot of time to schedule life. Many students expressed that they felt they had the ability to do more with their day than their peers at other schools. They were probably the best balance between laid back and driven that I've seen. (This isn't my comparison thread, but just for reference, at Stony Brook students were a little more towards the driven/competitive side and the SUNY Upstate were too far towards the laid back/lackadaisical side). One student actually stopped watching a game in the lounge to ask me about myself, and he said, "You'd fit in perfect, I hope you come here next year."
-Research: There is far better research available at UB than at Upstate/Downstate, and I would say about equal with Stony Brook. To me, Stony Brook and UB are in their own league compared to the other two ( I know people tout the clinical experience at Downstate, but I actually thought UB offered more and I'll explain why later). Come 2016 I believe UB will surpass the other SUNY's in research (after launching their downtown collaborative research center). They also have a great Bioinformatics research institute created by a grant from the state: ( http://www.bioinformatics.buffalo.edu/. IMHO, this is a very important discipline for medical schools to track for the future, and shows to me that the school will stay relevant as the information age continues to accelerate. By the time the school moves downtown in 2016, their modern research facilities, addition of 100 faculty members, and increased budget will make it hard for them not to shoot up in the research rankings, those that attend this year will graduate from a school ranked ahead of where it currently stands for sure (not that I put much stock into USNews, but for those that do this is an important consideration)
-Clinical-This is an area I was surprised. I went to UB thinking that lack of a University Hospital was a disadvantage, because that myth was perpetuated on these forums continuously. I often read questions like Stony Vs UB VS Downstate? To which some pre-med usually answered, UB doesn't have a hospital so the clinical experience is inferior. This is not necessarily true. UB doesn't have A University Hospital, it has EVERY hospital in the greater buffalo area at its disposal. People will often make comparisons between the population of NYC vs Buffalo, but there is a distinction often forgotten when making this comparison, the entire 1million person population of Erie county belongs to UB and UB alone. One of the clinical professors I spoke with said it best at my interview. He Said, "The UB short white coat is a pass into every hospital and clinic in the greater Buffalo-Niagara area, There is no other school to compete with." After speaking with students I found this to be very true, and likely a contributing factor to why UB students end up matching exceptionally well.
-Curriculum-I liked the systems based portion, I really believe systems based has a great deal of merit and research to back it up. I also appreciate the longitudinal clinical experience as well as the schedule (although I'd prefer 9-1 over 8-12 personally lol). Although there is no built in board prep/review, this schedule leaves a couple of hours per day to review. The professors have a great deal of autonomy which can be a good and bad thing. It creates a passionate faculty that care about what they do, but also makes classes variable in style, difficulty, and board relevance. There is time off for boards, and an old board prep course available digitally. They also video record the classes, and students said they are up within an hour. THere are also minimal lecture hours leaving plenty of time for independent study, electives, etc. Many classes still have mandatory attendance (according to the professor who presented on the curriculum) but a student told me conflicting information, so I'm unsure which is true. If true, UB is the only school I interviewed at that had mandatory classes, this is a good thing if you are a lecture learner but something to be aware of if you are an independent learner looking for minimal lecture hours. The clinical training years are outstanding, and the clinical skills center was probably one of the best I've seen (despite being approx. 19 years old.) The attending physician I spoke with raved about the clinical proficiency of UB students. I was told my several students that Dr. Severin is an outstanding Anatomy professor (thoracic, I believe, someone correct me if I'm wrong).
-The City, Buffalo gets a bad rep because of its temperature, average snowfall, lack of culture, and crime. All of these are valid issues, but don't really contribute to the quality of education, but maybe the quality of life. What I will say is that there are some interesting historical parts of buffalo that are relatively safe. The suburbs of buffalo are extremely safe, and probably have the cheapest cost of living in the entire country. You can rent a large, modern 2 bedroom house for roughly 600 dollars including utilities in some suburban neighborhoods within 10 minutes of UB. Also, people often mention that Toronto is about 2 hours away, and is an outstanding city, clean, safe, and has great culture, and a Broadway like district. While this is true, Niagara Falls, Canada is only about a half hour away and is a great getaway that people from all over the world visit. There is a great area past the tourist area of Clifton Hill that has a great restaurant, pub, music venue scene in a relatively safe neighborhood. Plus Niagara Falls state park is a great peaceful getaway in the spring. Overall, Buffalo doesn't have the greatest "vibe" but it does have it's charm, but you have own a car to really experience it. EDIT: Also, Buffalo is fully aware that it is in snow country and has some of the largest malls I've seen. These aren't just "shopping malls" but full of restaurants, pubs, sports bars, etc. It's kind of unique.
The fact that the president of the University has prioritized expansion/relocation/renovation of the medical school in the UB 2020 plan says good things about the future of the school. They university wide tuition raise of roughly $200 is all contributing to the medical/research facilities. While the medical school is only a small cog in the research/biotech/science campus, the collective collaborative environment means great opportunity for the school.
http://www.buffalorising.com/2011/05/ub-unveils-proposal-to-build-medical-school-downtown-needs-albany-blessing.html
Cons:
-Admin/Faculty: I didn't really find any negatives.
-Students: Seemed like a great, well balanced group.
-Research-Currently the facilities are pretty spread out, and it won't be until 2016 that there is a more concentrated research presence. Perfectly fine for those with a car. Again, this is more of a driving around school than a walking/biking city.
-Clinical-Although students have exclusive access to several affiliated hospitals, they are pretty spread out. Also, no single hospital stands out as a "Great" hospital. Roswell Park does, but in a very one dimensional way (Cancer Hospital). Buffalo General Hospital has a respected Neurosurgery department, but that's about it. Other than that the hospitals tend to be average.
-Curriculum- I did have some concerns here, but balanced with the pros listed above. I do love the systems based approach, but was disconcerted by the traditional anatomy block with what seemed like an over-booked shared lab (8 to a table). It is the only school I interviewed at that didn't have close to 24 hour keycard access, it had very limited technology component (most other schools had a digital work station next to each cadaver with access to ADAM and MRI scans of the cadaver etc.) Maybe an M1 can chime in as to how important these things are, or if they're just useless "glitter" to sell the school.
Also, I like when systems schools spread Anatomy out over the first 2 years because it keeps it relevant and fresh in one's head. Buffalo was the only school at which I interviewed that does not give board style exams, or preclinical NBME's. I know Stony Brook just switched, and a few schools that didn't use NBMEs, created their own board style questions. Also, there is no school sponsored board prep, practice board, etc according to the gentleman who ran our presentation. There is, I believe 5 weeks at the end of M1 to study, but you are essentially on your own.
Finally I have a few concerns about conflicting reports on the old school "mandatory lecture" style vs. the much more commonplace standardized curricula, testing, independent study with online modules/video etc. Also, I had minimal concerns about certain aging aspects of the school (moot point by 2016), including the teaching aids(e.g. technology used by faculty) this could just be a false assumption based on the fact that the curriculum presentation was done on overhead projector with transparencies lol. I think this again is attributed to long time independent faculty that do things the way they have done them for years, which comes with it's positives (wealth of knowledge) and negatives (old school teaching methods). None of these overshadowed all of the positives above, they were just weak points from my perspective, others may have a valid alternative view.
One final thing, is the H, HS, S, F system. For a school that is very anti-competitive, I wonder why they haven't adopted a full PF, or H, P, F system. It seems like a logical step, but I'm sure they have their reasoning.
-City- Buffalo: Crime, Cold, Spread Out, the culture isn't amazing. Niagara: 30 mins away. Toronto: 2 Hrs Away.
-Many of the great improvements will not be accessible until 2016, that said, some of the current facilities and teaching aids could really use updating.
Edit:
I hope this was helpful for someone! Also, a positive I forgot to mention is that it seems as if the administration is extremely open to input from students, and takes recommendations seriously. There were also a great deal of clubs, programs, student clinics, etc. Also, look up the match list, it is outstanding. I think this is largely to do with the staff actively engaging with PDs. Also, many deans/administrators also teach which is great for building relationships for LORs.
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I would like to know more about whether or not lectures are required, as well. Can any current students weigh in?
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It was confusing because the person who gave our curriculum presentation was complaining about the addition of video lectures, saying that he opposed the change out of fear that attendance would decrease. He felt students shouldn't use video to substitute lecture and in his mind lecture was mandatory. I don't know if this is a school policy or a sentiment shared among many professors. Since they have a great deal of autonomy I guess they could encourage/reward attendance-I'm not sure though.
I asked one student and he said most students go to lecture, but not all of them are required. I wasn't sure if most students attended because of quality or because professors expected it. I'd love more clarity on this as well.
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Spot on review impact2d, thanks for sharing!
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Hey guys, just got an interview invitation for a date at the end of February. I want to go but I absolutely cannot make that date. Do you know if it is easy to reschedule the interviews this late in the game? Sorry if this was answered earlier, I looked for a bit through the thread but honestly, don't have time to look through 8 pages. Thanks!
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stats please! thanks
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Congrats!
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Same, will be withdrawing though.
3.45 cGPA 36 MCAT In-state
I really didn't think this school was going to come thru. I'm pleasantly surprised.
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Has anyone made a facebook group for this year yet? I know last years started around October I believe. It also seems like there were a few more current students active on the forum last year, maybe we can bring a few out of hiding lol.
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Would love an interview here! I was born in NY and have some family in Buffalo; I love the surrounding communities.
Wonder if anyone could chime in on this: I know their review process is completely random with respect to time of submission, but once they review your app, do you think there is a quick turnaround just like they do with their interviews?
Wonder if anyone could chime in on this: I know their review process is completely random with respect to time of submission, but once they review your app, do you think there is a quick turnaround just like they do with their interviews?
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I submitted in August and didn't interview until Jan. I believe it truly is random review, and once they get to your app you either get a non-accept or interview. They interview in March, so don't lose hope yet!
I agree, some of the surrounding towns are pretty decent places to live. Amherst is a pretty decent town that consistently ranks among America's safest cities (a stark contrast to the city of Buffalo). They have some of the biggest malls I've seen around there too.
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Do current students/admissions staff usually start those, or do applicants?
I was under the impression that the staff at UB started the facebook group so they could verify accepted students into the group, but maybe not.
Either way I would love to see a group started up so we can start meeting each other. What made me love UB so much is that the faculty/staff almost enforce teamwork among students and strongly discourage a competitive atmosphere.
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If you are indeed wait listed, I'd chance it at approximately 33.33%
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Hey everyone, I'm a current M2 and can hopefully clear up any confusion. Classes are NOT mandatory. Professors like to say that but there is definitely a sizable group of students who don't go to class and learn better on their own (it also depends on the lecturer and their style). We do have random mandatory lunch time lectures about stuff like financial literacy and summer research etc but it's maybe once or twice a semester. Hope this helps!
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Has anyone had any luck sending a pre-interview letter of interest here? Are they receptive to them?
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They don't accept them, unfortunately.
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Has anyone on the Wait List seen any movement? maybe moving up a third or received an acceptance? It might have been covered but keeping track of quite a few threads has me confused on which thread I have read what. Hah sorry!
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+3 for second look info
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Anyone know if buffalbro awards scholarships other than the Robert Wood Johnson Fellowship? Couldn't find any info on their site
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Thanks. Any idea when those scholarships are awarded?
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If my applicant status check page still says "secondary application received", can I discern anything from that? Does it mean that I've been rejected at Buff? I was complete in October so that was kind of late, but just curious. No contact from the school since the file went complete. I have heard mixed things with some people saying that this still means we are in the running and others saying that it is basically the same as a non-accept (rejection) status that others have received. Any info would be so appreciated! Also, does anyone know when Buffalo typically interviews until, because once that date approached I'll know that it's a rejection.
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Okay, so I went back and read the entire thread and it answered some of my questions. They review apps until end of March and interview up until late April. Still a bit curious about whether I can glean anything from my "secondary application received" status. Also thought of one more questions if you don't mind. I got my application complete email from Buff in mid-September but I retook the MCAT four days before I received this email and I found out my old score. The new score is significantly higher. Does Buffalo check for and download MCAT score updates from AMCAS after the school sends complete emails? I assume they do but just wanted to confirm. I did list the September test date on my AMCAS application after it was verified (one of the few things AMCAS lets you modify post-verification.
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In regards to the MCAT score, it wouldn't hurt to email them and make sure they received your new score. If you marked on your AMCAS that you were retaking the MCAT then I would think they received them but it never hurts to ask. As for the status I wouldn't think Buffalo does "silent rejections". They seem to have a great admissions staff and review files randomly. But this was just my interpretation from when I interviewed their. Unfortunately they dont feel the same about me since I am bottom third wait-list but at least it isnt a rejection. I would keep my hopes alive with Buffalo if I were you.
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"Secondary application received" means exactly what it says. It does not in any way mean a rejection. The admission office here prides itself on being up front with applicants, so don't worry yourself with trying to read into anything. Good luck
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Thanks very much to both of you for your responses. I really appreciate it .
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So I thought the same thing as you until I received an II today, scheduled for a week and a half from now. I was complete early Sept & didn't hear anything after the complete email. I really think it's just that they have a random review process so don't lose hope. They say they review until March 31 to decide about interview invitations.
Just got an II this morning! (I was complete in august I think?)
The email says that they day ends "no later than 4:30 pm". For anyone that has already interviewed, what time did you finish up? I'm just trying to figure out some logistical things.
The email says that they day ends "no later than 4:30 pm". For anyone that has already interviewed, what time did you finish up? I'm just trying to figure out some logistical things.
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