2012-2013 UCR/UCLA Thomas Haider Application Thread

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I decided to start one since I didn't see it up yet.

The dates below are from the 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 application cycles. They are NOT official and are purely based on previous years' application threads.

First Posted Secondary - Early September
First Posted Interview Notification - Early November
Last Posted Interview Notification - Early March
First Posted Interview - Mid November
Last Posted Interview - Early March
First Posted Acceptance - Late January - Late Feb
Last Posted Acceptances - Early-Mid April
First Posted Rejections - Mid-Late March
Last Posted Rejections - ???

Rumored Stats from previous years:
Applicants - 120
Interviews - 60
Acceptances - 24
Wait-list size - 3

This is from the 2011-2012 cycle:

First Posted Secondary - Mid- September
First Posted Interview Notification - Mid- December
Last Posted Interview Notification - Late December
First Posted Interview - Late January
Last Posted Interview - Early February
First Posted Acceptance - Mid March
Last Posted Acceptances - Late March
First Posted Rejections - Late March
Last Posted Rejections - ???

Applicants: ~120
Interviews: 48
Initial acceptances: 24
Wait-list size: ???
Got off the wait-list: ~4
 
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Interviewed last year, but ultimately didn't get in. Hoping for another chance to interview this year!

Good luck everybody 🙂 :luck:
 
NekoBeats said:
Interviewed last year, but ultimately didn't get in. Hoping for another chance to interview this year!

Good luck everybody 🙂 :luck:
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Sorry to hear you didn't get in the first time, but good luck to you this time around! I was wondering if you had any advice for the interview?
 
Syrdas said:
Sorry to hear you didn't get in the first time, but good luck to you this time around! I was wondering if you had any advice for the interview?
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Thanks!

It's MMI format. Last year, each interview group had 12 people. You have 8 minutes to talk with each AdCom member, and answering the question usually only takes 30 seconds - 1 minute. They'll have counter arguments and follow-up questions, so just be prepared to defend your answer or at least provide a reasonable justification. It's pretty straightforward
 
Does anyone have the prompts from last year?
 
Does anyone know if they are expanding seat this year? Also, are we really going to become UCRSOM in fall 2013?
 
jgalt42 said:
Does anyone know if they are expanding seat this year? Also, are we really going to become UCRSOM in fall 2013?
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I'm pretty sure it's still 24. I think the seat expansion you're talking about is only for the UCRSOM when they're going to accept something like 60 students. And tbh I highly doubt the SOM is opening in 2013. We're broke, and a bill that was supposed to fund $15 million to the med school also just recently got cut. Even during interviews last year, Dean Byus said that it's probably not likely to happen. He also mentioned that if you apply for the Thomas Haider Program and get in, you will go to UCLA/get the MD from there regardless of if the SOM opens or not. They can't pull it out from under you mid-med school and then say "Well, we got the SOM at UCR open, so you're not going to LA anymore, sorry".
 
Can some one call in tomorrow and ask when secondaries go out?
 
Interviewed last year, but ultimately didn't get in
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Come on, somebody please call in and ask about secondaries!!! Do they go out in September?
Also, is the UCLA affiliation still going on for this cycle?
 
merock89 said:
Come on, somebody please call in and ask about secondaries!!! Do they go out in September?
Also, is the UCLA affiliation still going on for this cycle?
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I heard that they will find out about UCR SOM in October. Still no secondary here...maybe they are waiting to find out whether they are getting accredited or not?
 
merock89 said:
Can some one call in tomorrow and ask when secondaries go out?
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merock89 said:
Come on, somebody please call in and ask about secondaries!!! Do they go out in September?
Also, is the UCLA affiliation still going on for this cycle?
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And you can't call in yourself because...?

broadway007 said:
I heard that they will find out about UCR SOM in October. Still no secondary here...maybe they are waiting to find out whether they are getting accredited or not?
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Whether or not they get accredited, it has no bearing on when secondaries go out.
 
broadway007 said:
You never know...
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Hahaha I just think you guys are freaking out too much about this is all. UCR/UCLA and UCR SOM are two completely separate programs. Plus, with what Dean Byus told us during interviews last year (about how your application to Thomas Haider is independent of UCR SOM), I don't see how the accreditation of the SOM will effect when the adcom of the Thomas Haider Program will send out secondaries
 
If you interviewed the first time and didn't get in, there is a small chance they will be like "screw you" and not even give you a secondary the second time. However, this is less likely than them saying "we love reapplicants," interviewing you, and accepting you. But don't automatically assume they'll want you again. I was a prime example of the first scenario. And now I'm in New York. lol.
 
iamahippo said:
If you interviewed the first time and didn't get in, there is a small chance they will be like "screw you" and not even give you a secondary the second time. However, this is less likely than them saying "we love reapplicants," interviewing you, and accepting you. But don't automatically assume they'll want you again. I was a prime example of the first scenario. And now I'm in New York. lol.
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I kept up with all the old threads going back several cycles and I remember you from last year. That was very unfortunate and I'm sorry that happened to you, but you're at a great med school now and you'll be a doctor. Maybe for residency you can match into a Cali program. What I've come to realize from last cycle is that you shouldn't focus so much on what school you go to. If you want to be a doctor, then be a doctor...whether you go to LA or NY for med school, or go the MD or DO route, the bottom line is you're still going to be a physician. I was so steadfast on getting into UCR/UCLA last year that I pretty much screwed myself that cycle and set myself up for disappointment. This year, I'm trying to have more of an open mind. If I get in, then that's one more option I have for next year. If I don't get in, then I'll get my degree somewhere else. It won't be the end of the world.

I've heard different things about reapplying, from them pretty much auto-rejecting you, to admitting you the second time around. I guess it heavily depends on how your application has improved though. I feel like they won't be as generous as they were last year with my app :laugh: so I don't really have high hopes here.

EDIT: By the way, I knew a first-time applicant who applied last year with me who got screwed in a similar fashion. Apparently they made mistakes processing his application and he was rejected pre-secondary. It's not limited to reapplicants unfortunately.
 
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NekoBeats said:
Hahaha I just think you guys are freaking out too much about this is all. UCR/UCLA and UCR SOM are two completely separate programs. Plus, with what Dean Byus told us during interviews last year (about how your application to Thomas Haider is independent of UCR SOM), I don't see how the accreditation of the SOM will effect when the adcom of the Thomas Haider Program will send out secondaries
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Yes, that is true that they are separate programs but if they are not accredited with UCLA anymore then I'm assuming they can change the secondary questions to whatever they please. I don't think it was a coincidence that the previous secondary questions for the Haider program were the same as that of the UCLA direct program. Like I said, who knows...
 
broadway007 said:
Yes, that is true that they are separate programs but if they are not accredited with UCLA anymore then I'm assuming they can change the secondary questions to whatever they please. I don't think it was a coincidence that the previous secondary questions for the Haider program were the same as that of the UCLA direct program. Like I said, who knows...
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Nope, because of what I posed earlier in the thread about what Dean Byus told us during interviews last year. If you apply to UCR/UCLA and get in, you're going to UCLA regardless of if UCR gets it's SOM or not. Even if you're a second year in the Thomas Haider Program and UCR SOM opens, you're still going to UCLA for years 3 and 4, not UCR. Why? Because when you applied for medical school, you specifically chose UCR/UCLA on AMCAS. This is what Dean Byus told us.

Therefore, I think it is unlikely that even if UCR SOM gets accreditation and shows up on AMCAS in November, that they're going to suddenly tell those of us who already paid $$ for our primary to be sent to UCR/UCLA, "too bad the program doesn't exist now because UCR got temp accreditation".

And of course it's not coincidence that our secondary questions are the same as UCLA... This program is directly related to Geffen. You do your last 2 years there, you get your MD from there. Same secondary -> same interview -> same degree, where as with UCR SOM you're doing all 4 years at UCR and get your MD from UCR. This is why I'm saying whether UCR gets accreditation or not, UCR/UCLA doesn't have a reason to lag their secondaries or change their secondary questions.

Idk if any of that made sense, but I really hope I'm not misunderstanding what you're trying to say... I just don't see how the accreditation of UCR SOM will impact UCR/UCLA's application, especially since we have already submitted our apps.
 
Woo, just got screened in for the secondary! Time to fill out this beast.
 
Did anyone else get a secondary? Any news on how many they sent out?
 
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Nope, because of what I posed earlier in the thread about what Dean Byus told us during interviews last year. If you apply to UCR/UCLA and get in, you're going to UCLA regardless of if UCR gets it's SOM or not. Even if you're a second year in the Thomas Haider Program and UCR SOM opens, you're still going to UCLA for years 3 and 4, not UCR. Why? Because when you applied for medical school, you specifically chose UCR/UCLA on AMCAS. This is what Dean Byus told us.

Therefore, I think it is unlikely that even if UCR SOM gets accreditation and shows up on AMCAS in November, that they're going to suddenly tell those of us who already paid $$ for our primary to be sent to UCR/UCLA, "too bad the program doesn't exist now because UCR got temp accreditation".

And of course it's not coincidence that our secondary questions are the same as UCLA... This program is directly related to Geffen. You do your last 2 years there, you get your MD from there. Same secondary -> same interview -> same degree, where as with UCR SOM you're doing all 4 years at UCR and get your MD from UCR. This is why I'm saying whether UCR gets accreditation or not, UCR/UCLA doesn't have a reason to lag their secondaries or change their secondary questions.

Idk if any of that made sense, but I really hope I'm not misunderstanding what you're trying to say... I just don't see how the accreditation of UCR SOM will impact UCR/UCLA's application, especially since we have already submitted our apps.
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Yeah I applied last year and they told me if UCR SOM was accredited as a med school then the UCR/UCLA application would close and I would have to reapply to UCR. But they didn't get accredited so it didn't matter but that will probably be the same this year.
 
They send secondaries anytime between September and the second week or so of December, when the adcom meets to decide who gets an interview invite. Last year I got it later in the year, but that's because I submitted later. If you don't have a secondary, don't freak out just yet- you'll probably get it eventually. I actually don't know many people who turned in the primary and DIDN'T get a secondary.
 
packerfan13 said:
Yeah I applied last year and they told me if UCR SOM was accredited as a med school then the UCR/UCLA application would close and I would have to reapply to UCR. But they didn't get accredited so it didn't matter but that will probably be the same this year.
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It sounds like we both interviewed last year but got contradicting information. I decided to call in to find out what exactly is going on with this accreditation business. This is what I found out:

- If UCR SOM gets accreditation this year for the entering class of 2013, it's going to accepted 50 students total (24 UCR Alum, 26 everyone else). When, and if, it gets it's accreditation, it will pop up on AMCAS.

- If you are accepted to the UCR/UCLA Thomas Haider Program for the entering class of 2013, and UCR SOM got it's preliminary accreditation this year, you will do all four years at UCR and get your MD from UCR. You will be part of the Thomas Haider Program. However, you will not go to UCLA.

- We will be notified via email if UCR gets it's accreditation and if our app is now for UCR SOM.


****. This all seems so sneaky..

Oh yeah, and other random things I asked:

- About 120 applicants for the past several years
- Didn't give me the # of secondaries, but they do screen and not everyone gets one
- The person I talked to said they interviewed between 60-70 people for the past two years, but I know for a fact they interviewed 48 last year so her info here is wrong.
 
for all you lurkers out there...take most things on SDN with a grain of salt...It is essentially the blind leading the blind.

Truths: If UCR med school gets accredited (we should know early October), The UCR/UCLA program will be ended, but the Thomas Haider program will stay alive to keep 24 students specifically from UCR. You also may have to fill out a new secondary (not UCLA format) and reapply.

These threads are just a source of unneeded anxiety for most people. My advice: chill out, wait for your secondaries, interviews, and acceptances. You can't avoid anxiety, just try to keep yourself busy and time will fly. If you don't get in, don't blame the organization. They've been doing this for many years and there is obviously some self examination that needs to occur. When you can critically examine yourself and what about your application did not get you in, you can fix it.
 
packerfan13 said:
Looks like the UCR/UCLA program is done.
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ok so we wasted $35 and will spend another $35 applying to the regular school... at least some of us didn't waste money on the secondary
 
well, it looks like UCR is finally going to have their own med school. i'm pretty glad about this and honestly i hope all of us current students in the UCR/UCLA haider program will be integrated smoothly and completely switched to the UCR program so that we complete our last 2 years at a riverside based hospital. the whole point of the program to begin with was to recruit doctors who will work in riverside, and it'll be more useful to be exposed to the types of patients we'd see in riverside rather than the more academic or urban centered cases in LA. might try to get a few other classmates and petition this
 
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Did anyone here submit their secondary + fee before UCR got prelim accreditation? And if so, did you get your money back or is that pretty much just gone forever?

I'm still waiting for the official email...
 
You just need to resubmit your application through AMCAS but you do not have to fill out another secondary application if you already did one. And it is free to resubmit your application for UCR SOM if you submitted an application for Haider.
 
gnad said:
You just need to resubmit your application through AMCAS but you do not have to fill out another secondary application if you already did one. And it is free to resubmit your application for UCR SOM if you submitted an application for Haider.
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Thanks! Can I ask you where you got this info?
 
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