2015-2016 Rosalind Franklin University Application Thread

[alfie94]

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Post by gyngyn from last year in another thread.
"In February we can see where accepted students are holding. In March we can see where waitlisted students are holding. We can never see where you have interviewed or are waitlisted." Maybe this is the reason why Rosalind is waitlisting a lot of applicants.

Oh, that's great! Thank you!

 

[Nextasy]

Post by gyngyn from last year in another thread.
"In February we can see where accepted students are holding. In March we can see where waitlisted students are holding. We can never see where you have interviewed or are waitlisted." Maybe this is the reason why Rosalind is waitlisting a lot of applicants.

Thanks for posting this info. This definitely elucidates the CMS waitlisting situation for a lot of us.


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[altrock3]

So you think they will make decisions on the waitlist before June?

 

[bunchesonothing]

So you think they will make decisions on the waitlist before June?

I would think it a bit odd if they they didn't at leat start pulling from it before then, with the relatively small number of acceptances that have already gone out.

 

[altrock3]

I would think it a bit odd if they they didn't at leat start pulling from it before then, with the relatively small number of acceptances that have already gone out.

How do we know that the facebook group is the amount of acceptances sent out though? Couldn't there have been more that didn't enter the group?

 

[bunchesonothing]

How do we know that the facebook group is the amount of acceptances sent out though? Couldn't there have been more that didn't enter the group?

If they havent accepted anyone for a long time because the class is either assuredly full or assuredly mostly full, that would be some kinda speed record.... IMO...

If you look at the way the thread for last year progressed, it seemed very different to me in how they're doing things.

If you're saying theyve been accepting, but for some reason there is just not the online appearance of it.... anywhere, I'd say that's possible, but unlikely.

 

[pb34]

So you think they will make decisions on the waitlist before June?

They already pulled from the waitlist once this cycle. It seems likely that they would do it again before May.


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[bananafish94]

How do we know that the facebook group is the amount of acceptances sent out though? Couldn't there have been more that didn't enter the group?

By AAMC rules, they had to have offered 190 acceptances by now because that is the size of the class. I'm 95% sure that the people on the Facebook group are people who have paid the deposit, and obviously many of the accepted applicants have withdrawn. Call me an optimist (actually, don't, because I'm not) but I believe they still have many acceptances to send out--especially considering that they are still going to interview for more than a month! Will they make decisions on the waitlist before June? If I were a betting man, I would say yes, they almost certainly will. I don't think they're in the business of torturing people. But as I said earlier in the thread, we are no longer holding any cards. They know that they currently have a subset of applicants who will definitely attend if admitted, and they have the ability to use that as a strategic advantage and draw it out as long as they want.

 

[bunchesonothing]

By AAMC rules, they had to have offered 190 acceptances by now because that is the size of the class. I'm 95% sure that the people on the Facebook group are people who have paid the deposit, and obviously many of the accepted applicants have withdrawn. Call me an optimist (actually, don't, because I'm not) but I believe they still have many acceptances to send out--especially considering that they are still going to interview for more than a month! Will they make decisions on the waitlist before June? If I were a betting man, I would say yes, they almost certainly will. I don't think they're in the business of torturing people. But as I said earlier in the thread, we are no longer holding any cards. They know that they currently have a subset of applicants who will definitely attend if admitted, and they have the ability to use that as a strategic advantage and draw it out as long as they want.

That deposit is only $100, and up to a certain point, I believe it is refundable. If I were them, I wouldn't count on definite attendance based on that deposit.... I bet they've got other things they're looking at.... like the report that came out in February about those accepted with multiple acceptances, etc.

Do the waitlists count as acceptances for that number?

 

[pb34]

That deposit is only $100, and up to a certain point, I believe it is refundable. If I were them, I wouldn't count on definite attendance based on that deposit.... I bet they've got other things they're looking at.... like the report that came out in February about those accepted with multiple acceptances, etc.

Do the waitlists count as acceptances for that number?

Based on an earlier post, it seems like they can only see acceptances for applicants and not waitlists.


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[bunchesonothing]

Based on an earlier post, it seems like they can only see acceptances for applicants and not waitlists.


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I understand. My question was that many have stated that they had to accept 190 students before 190. My wonder is if they were allowed to include waitlisted numbers in that count.

 

[CyrilFiggis]

I understand. My question was that many have stated that they had to accept 190 students before 190. My wonder is if they were allowed to include waitlisted numbers in that count.

No. The acceptances have to be a binding offer of admission, not a "hey we might accept you later".

 

[altrock3]

So what ya'll are saying is that they have already sent out 190 acceptances up to this point. And anymore in the future will be decided based on the applicant's withholding acceptances? There's a lot of confusing speculation going on in this thread lol.

 

[bananafish94]

So what ya'll are saying is that they have already sent out 190 acceptances up to this point. And anymore in the future will be decided based on the applicant's withholding acceptances? There's a lot of confusing speculation going on in this thread lol.

Well, obviously nobody knows for sure what exactly goes on behind closed doors. But at this point I think it's a reasonable assertion that they still have a healthy amount of acceptances to give out and that they will take their yield into consideration. This is not to say that they won't offer acceptances to people who already have been accepted if they really like them. We just have to wait and see.

 

[CyrilFiggis]

So what ya'll are saying is that they have already sent out 190 acceptances up to this point. And anymore in the future will be decided based on the applicant's withholding acceptances? There's a lot of confusing speculation going on in this thread lol.

Yes, by today every med school must have offered enough acceptances to fill the class. The exact language is:

By March 15 of the matriculation year, each school or program have issued a number of offers of acceptance at least equal to the expected number of students in its first-year entering class and have reported those acceptance actions to the American Medical College Application Service (AMCAS).
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Additionally, as of now, if a school has made an offer to a student, they will be able to see through AMCAS if that student is accepted anywhere else. This helps the school to estimate yield and retention.

 

[SSJimmer7]

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[tantacles]

What tier would you classify CMS as?


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CMS is definitely a low-tier medical school. Still an MD school, so great, but low tier.

 

[tantacles]

How do we know that the facebook group is the amount of acceptances sent out though? Couldn't there have been more that didn't enter the group?

You don't. Don't make assumptions based on Facebook, y'all!

 

[bananafish94]

@tantacles do you think there will be alternate list movement soon?

 

[tantacles]

@tantacles do you think there will be alternate list movement soon?

I think there might be. Since I have no connection with admissions at the school, I encourage you to ruminate on how significant my thoughts on this topic are.

 

[bunchesonothing]

I think there might be. Since I have no connection with admissions at the school, I encourage you to ruminate on how significant my thoughts on this topic are.

I was hoping they were waiting for my birthday to send me good news. 😛 That would be epic.

 

[tantacles]

I was hoping they were waiting for my birthday to send me good news. 😛 That would be epic.

I like your attitude.

 

[bananafish94]

I think there might be. Since I have no connection with admissions at the school, I encourage you to ruminate on how significant my thoughts on this topic are.

Fair enough. But I know this isn't your first rodeo so I definitely respect your opinion on it.


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[bananafish94]

I was hoping they were waiting for my birthday to send me good news. 😛 That would be epic.

Is your birthday on Friday? They seem to make most if not all decisions on Fridays.

 

[bunchesonothing]

Is your birthday on Friday? They seem to make most if not all decisions on Fridays.

It's the 24th. Not Friday, but this girl is trying to keep the dream alive. 🙂

 

[bananafish94]

It's the 24th. Not Friday, but this girl is trying to keep the dream alive. 🙂

I truly appreciate how positive you always are! It's very difficult to fall into the trap of negativity and desperation, as I have several times this year, but you always have a good attitude.

 

[drake19]

My understanding is that they're in the same applicant pool as the regular CMS applicants and not in a separate pool. It's important to note that being in the BMS program does not give them an advantage in terms of garnering an acceptance other than guaranteeing an interview.


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Actually this is not exactly true BMS students are taking classes with the same professors that will interview them they also have access to a lot more advice from upperclassmen who can tell them about questions. I was involved in asking interview questions last year and having a conversation with one of the admission committee people they said that professors can vouch for certain BMS students during the admission meetings

The BMS students also get a lighter load during first year and they get the chance to bolster their CVS with research because they have a lighter load. They also have the chance to get a higher Market because they have a lighter load during the M1a year

Being a BMS student is very unfair Advantage but you live with it

 

[bananafish94]

Do any Rosalind Franklin insiders now what the acceptance rate from the BMS program is? Is this something that would be a good option if I get rejected everywhere?

 

[tantacles]

Do any Rosalind Franklin insiders now what the acceptance rate from the BMS program is? Is this something that would be a good option if I get rejected everywhere?

~50%

But honestly, if your gpa and MCAT were good enough to get you 3-4 interviews, I would strongly suggest that instead of doing bms, you wait a year and take time to bolster your application with better EC's (and a new MCAT score if it will expire) and apply again. BMS is expensive and there is no guarantee you'll do well. If you don't do well, it will be looked upon extremely poorly.


Large dogs

 

[CyrilFiggis]

Do any Rosalind Franklin insiders now what the acceptance rate from the BMS program is? Is this something that would be a good option if I get rejected everywhere?

You really need to wait until the end of the cycle and request feedback about your application. If you've gotten interviews then a BMS program probably won't help. Patience is key.

 

[Ndcffeestat]

Anyone get an interview off the waitlist recently?

 

[bananafish94]

~50%

But honestly, if your gpa and MCAT were good enough to get you 3-4 interviews, I would strongly suggest that instead of doing bms, you wait a year and take time to bolster your application with better EC's (and a new MCAT score if it will expire) and apply again. BMS is expensive and there is no guarantee you'll do well. If you don't do well, it will be looked upon extremely poorly.


Large dogs

Yeah that makes sense. I know my GPA does not put me in conventional BMS territory, I was just thinking along the lines of overloading the eggs I put in one basket to tip the scales in my favor as much as humanly possible. But if I don't get in, like you said, the best thing to do is probably cultivate more ECs and reorganize my application.

 

[2015istheYear]

I don't know how accurate this idea of accepting students only with no acceptances. I have two other acceptances at MD programs which are not "bottom tier" (lol) and CMS offered me a recruitment scholarship 50% off. I don't think it's possible to fully understand why any school does what they do...

And, it doesn't necessarily mean that those that don't have acceptances won't go somewhere else because they may be on waitlists elsewhere as well... just like you are. People can still be pulled from those. They have much of the information, but not all of it, at this point.

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[bananafish94]

I don't know how accurate this idea of accepting students only with no acceptances. I have two other acceptances at MD programs which are not "bottom tier" (lol) and CMS offered me a recruitment scholarship 50% off. I don't think it's possible to fully understand why any school does what they do...






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congrats

 

[alfie94]

I don't know how accurate this idea of accepting students only with no acceptances. I have two other acceptances at MD programs which are not "bottom tier" (lol) and CMS offered me a recruitment scholarship 50% off. I don't think it's possible to fully understand why any school does what they do...

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This is a theory only applicable to March and after because that's when schools can see when waitlisted applicants are accepted. This is not applicable to you because you were accepted in December. Even if it were, we've already said this wouldn't be a universal rule.

 

[bananafish94]

Is it too ambitious to think there might be some AL movement today?

 

[bunchesonothing]

Is it too ambitious to think there might be some AL movement today?

Who knows? But, I think it would be quick considering how many are on the list... but, since I'm not privy to how they're running things.

 

[bananafish94]

Who knows? But, I think it would be quick considering how many are on the list... but, I'm since I'm not privy to how they're running things.

It would definitely be quick. But it seems like a lot of people come off the AL really fast.

 

[bananafish94]

Rosalind is playing a very strange game here. What kind of school interviews until late April but hasn't accepted anyone since January?

 

[bunchesonothing]

Rosalind is playing a very strange game here. What kind of school interviews until late April but hasn't accepted anyone since January?

It's all a part of their mystique.

 

[llerasia]

They're playing hard to get. 😉

 

[drcon]

anyone else pumped to see the match list this year??

 

[cysticduct]

Is it too ambitious to think there might be some AL movement today?

Today is match day and an interview day. My guess is there won't be any news today.

 

[alfie94]

Rosalind is playing a very strange game here. What kind of school interviews until late April but hasn't accepted anyone since January?

Notice that their emails are signed from the "Office of Strategic Enrollment Management." Strategic, sure...

 

[cysticduct]

2016 Match List

ANESTHESIOLOGY (10)
UCLA Medical Center
UC Irvine Med Ctr
U Southern California
Yale-New Haven Hosp
Yale-New Haven Hosp
Mayo School Of Grad Med Educ
SUNY HSC Brooklyn
Univ Of Chicago Med Ctr
U Southern California
U Minnesota Med School

CHILD NEUROLOGY (2)
Stony Brook Teach Hosps
U Michigan Hosps-Ann Arbor

EMERGENCY MEDICINE (21)
Washington Hospital Ctr/ Georgetown
U Arizona COM at Tucson
Harbor-UCLA Med Ctl
John Peter Smith Hosp
Western Michigan Univ Stryker SOM
Western Michigan Univ Stryker SOM
Wake Forest Baptist Med Ctr
Advocate Christ Med Ctr
UC San Francisco-Fresno
Advocate Christ Med Ctr
St John Hospital
Jackson Memorial Hosp
Resurrection Med Ctr
Loma Linda University
Brooklyn Hosp Ctr
Cook County-Stroger Hospital
Morristown Mem Hosp
Texas Tech U Affil-El Paso
Cook County-Stroger Hospital
Denver Health Med Ctr
Western Michigan Univ Stryker SOM


FAMILY MEDICINE (15)
Sutter Health
Ventura County Med Ctr
Case Western/UIIiv Hosps case Med Ctr
St. Loius University
Advocate IL Masonic Med Ctr
U Louisville SOM
Hinsdale Hospital
U Arizona COM
Oregon Health & Science Univ
O'Connor H ospital
Advocate Lutheran Gen Hosp
Advocate Lutheran Gen Hosp
Chestnut Hill Hosp
Glendale Adventist Med Crr
Advocate IL Masonic Med Ctr

GENERAL SURGERY (8)
U Rochester/Strong Memorial
Morristown Mem Hosp
St Josephs Hospital
Kaweah Delta Health Care District
NY Methodist Hospital
UC San Francisco-Fresno
Atlanta Med Ctr
UIC/Metro Group Hospitals

INTERNAL MEDICINE (43)
Scripps Green Hospital
Cleveland Clinic Fdn
U Texas Rio Grande Valley
Harbor-UCLA Med Ctr
Morehouse Sch of Med
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr
Alameda Health Sys-Highland Hosp
U Southern California
MountainView Hospital
Cleveland Clinic Florida
Univ Miami/ JFK palm Beach
U Utah Affil Hospitals
U Colorado SOM-Denver
U Colorado SOM-Denver
U Illinois COM-Chicago
Rhode Island Hosp/ Brown Univ
Loyola Univ Med Ctr
Rush Ctr
Olive View – UCLA Med Ctr
U Southern California
U Illinois COM-Chicago
Rush University Mcd Ctr
U Utah Hospitals
U Colorado SOM-Denver
Icahn SOM Beth Israel
Baylor Coll Med-Houston
Kaiser Permanente Santa Clara
Univ Of Chicago Med Ctr
Christ Hospital
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr
U Iowa Hosps and Clinics
Rush University Mcd Ctr
U Nevada Affil Hosps-Las Vegas
U Southern California
U Illinois COM-Chicago
U Illinois COM-Chicago
B I Deaconess Med Ctr
Eisenhower Medical Center
U Connecticut School of Medicine
LSU HSC-Shreveport
U Colorado SOM-Denver
Rush University Med Ctr
U Southern California

MEDICINE-PEDIATRICS (2)
Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr
Medical University of SC

NEUROLOGICAL SURGERY (4)
Thomas Jefferson Univ
University of Virginia
Henry Ford HSC
Emory Univ SOM

NEUROLOGY (9)
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Univ of Chicago Med CO-IL
Med Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosps
Loyola Univ Med Ctr
Oregon Health & Science Univ
U Southern California
Montefiore Med Ctrl Einstein
Loyola Univ Med Ctr
Loyola Univ Med Ctr

OBSTETRICS-GYNECOLOGY (4)
Cleveland Clinic Fdn
Kaiser Permanente-Santa Clara
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center
Mercy Hosp & Med Ctr

OPTHALMOLOGY (3)
Baylor COM/Cullen Eye Institute
Indiana Univ Sch Of Med
Cook County-Stroger Hospital

ORTHOPEDIC SURGERY (4)
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ
Naval Medical Center Portsmouth
Marshall University SOM
U Cincinnati Med Ctr

PATHOLOGY (1)
Cleveland Clinic Fdn

PEDIATRICS (21)
Loyola Univ Med Ctr
U IL-St Francis Med Ctr
U Florida COM-Shands Hosp
Advocate Christ Med Ctr
Phoenix Childrens Hospital
Hospital-Oakland
Advocate Lutheran Gen Hosp
Univ Med Ctr
Baylor Coli Med-Houston
Childrens Hospital LA
All Childrens Hospital
Loma Linda University
U Colorado SOM•Denver
U Michigan Hosps.Ann Arbor
U Minnesota Mcd School
Loma Linda University
Grand Rapids Med Partners
Case Western/ Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr
UC Irvine Med Ctr
Advocate Lutheran Gen Hosp
Advocate Lutheran Gen Hosp

PM&R (6)
Hosp Of the Univ Of PA
Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA
Northwestern McGaw / RIC-IL
U Texas HSC-San Antonio
University Hosps-Columbia
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN

PLASTIC SURGERY (1)
Lehigh Valley Hosp

PSYCHIATRY (11)
Montefiore Med Ctrl Einstein
Harbor-UCLA Med Ctr
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr
Jackson Memorial Hosp
RFUMS/Chicago Medical School
U Massachusetts Med School
RFUMS/Chicago Medical School
Rush University Med Ctr
U Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics
Pine Rest Christian Mental Hlth Svcs
Indiana Univ Sch Of Med

RADIATION-ONCOLOGY (1)
Loyola Univ Med CO-IL

RADIOLOGY-DIAGNOSTIC (12)
Boston Univ Med Ctr-MA
Baylor Coll Med-Houston-IN
U Kentucky Med Ctr
Oregon Health & Science Univ
Icahn SOM Beth Israel
Thomas Jefferson Univ
Henry Ford HSC
Rush University Med Ctr-lL
Hofstra NSLIJ SOM Lenox Hill Hosp
Rush University Med Ctr
Jackson Memorial Hosp
U Colorado SOM-Denver

 

[2015istheYear]

wow wow wow. That list is FIRE. THANKS for posting!!!!!! Congrats to CMS.


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[Shazaam1000]

Notice that their emails are signed from the "Office of Strategic Enrollment Management." Strategic, sure...

Baha. They're leaving breadcrumbs. Oh, so devious.

 

[altrock3]

Knowing that match list I'm even more anxious waiting for an AL reply gaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

 

[reducedfatpeanutbutter]

I don't know how accurate this idea of accepting students only with no acceptances. I have two other acceptances at MD programs which are not "bottom tier" (lol) and CMS offered me a recruitment scholarship 50% off. I don't think it's possible to fully understand why any school does what they do...






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Mind sharing your stats? I'm interested to know what level they give scholarships to.

 

[pshock7]

I feel like there won't be waitlist movement for a few weeks, they have to go through a decent amount of waitlist applicants to see which schools each one was accepted to and compare, and they have to continue to review candidates that are still interviewing. My guess is we'll probably hear something in the first week of April when they make their next interview round of decisions.