2016-2017 Rosalind Franklin University Application Thread

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Can you elaborate on what made the preclinical years so miserable? During the interview day, I thought that the current students seemed relatively happier than the students at other schools that I have visited.

I wasn't unhappy; I just didn't enjoy the material in the pre-clinical years and felt they were a drag. This is a common complaint from students at every medical school.

Personally, I worked two part time jobs during the pre-clinical years and had lots of time to pursue my own hobbies.
 
I wasn't unhappy; I just didn't enjoy the material in the pre-clinical years and felt they were a drag. This is a common complaint from students at every medical school.

Personally, I worked two part time jobs during the pre-clinical years and had lots of time to pursue my own hobbies.
Can you share what type of jobs you held during pre-clinical years? I am still evaluating if that is a good idea or not.
 
Can you share what type of jobs you held during pre-clinical years? I am still evaluating if that is a good idea or not.

I sang in a professional caroling choir for 5-6 hours per week for 6 weeks, and I worked as a bartender for 15 hours per week for 4 months. If you're thinking of doing a regular job during the school year, don't bother.
 
I sang in a professional caroling choir for 5-6 hours per week for 6 weeks, and I worked as a bartender for 15 hours per week for 4 months. If you're thinking of doing a regular job during the school year, don't bother.
I was thinking like being a lab monkey / clinical research assistant for someone , driving uber, or any work study.
 
II offer today as well! LizzyM near 65, OOS. I am beyond excited to interview here! Does anyone know roughly the post-interview acceptance rate for OOS? I am sure it has been posted numerous times previously so I apologize. I am looking through the previous threads now and cant find it. Thank you! And best of luck to you all!!
 
II offer today as well! LizzyM near 65, OOS. I am beyond excited to interview here! Does anyone know roughly the post-interview acceptance rate for OOS? I am sure it has been posted numerous times previously so I apologize. I am looking through the previous threads now and cant find it. Thank you! And best of luck to you all!!
Congrats! We do not know the post II acceptance rate. Good luck!
 
I have not filled out my FAFSA yet, I will do this ASAP however. It is not too late right?
 
Awesome thank you a ton! Just curious, why is it so important to do it quickly? I will still get the full aid if I fill it out now right?

Yeah I think as long as you do it before March you should be fine. However, I don't think any med school guarantees full aid. For my other acceptances, they wanted me to complete the FAFSA before Feb 28 for maximum aid consideration.
 
Yeah I think as long as you do it before March you should be fine. However, I don't think any med school guarantees full aid. For my other acceptances, they wanted me to complete the FAFSA before Feb 28 for maximum aid consideration.
Actually from the med schools I have interviewed at and talking to current students, I havnt came across a school that was unwilling to give the cost of attendance as a loan option. Hopefully that's actually true! As long as you have good credit of course.
 
I'm surprised they are still getting back to people with such low LizzyM


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Actually, it's completely unsurprising. As you might expect, the school interviews its candidates who are easy to identify first and subsequently moves on to the ones it was less sure about interviewing (or who applied later).
 
Actually, it's completely unsurprising. As you might expect, the school interviews its candidates who are easy to identify first and subsequently moves on to the ones it was less sure about interviewing (or who applied later).
Yeah, and they interview until April. So those with lower Lizzy scores shouldn't lose hope. They were like the first medical school to actually care about candidates beyond their sex and ethnicity, so a legitimate holistic review makes sense.
 
Yeah, and they interview until April. So those with lower Lizzy scores shouldn't lose hope. They were like the first medical school to actually care about candidates beyond their sex and ethnicity, so a legitimate holistic review makes sense.

Actually, it's completely unsurprising. As you might expect, the school interviews its candidates who are easy to identify first and subsequently moves on to the ones it was less sure about interviewing (or who applied later).

Yeah, it really isn't all about scores either. At least not at this school. They want to carefully decide who they think would be a good fit for the school and get a better idea of that through the interview. There's a lot that goes into the decision process.
 
Yeah, it really isn't all about scores either. At least not at this school. They want to carefully decide who they think would be a good fit for the school and get a better idea of that through the interview. There's a lot that goes into the decision process.

Meh, my theory based on having gone here for medical school is that it's more about yield protection, but whatever makes you feel better.
 
Meh, my theory based on having gone here for medical school is that it's more about yield protection, but whatever makes you feel better.
Does this school have a harder time attracting high-stat candidates? Or do most schools do this?
 
Meh, my theory based on having gone here for medical school is that it's more about yield protection, but whatever makes you feel better.

Sure, it's partially yield protection, but things are also constantly changing in terms of what med schools want and what they're doing to get those applicants. Was the interview MMI when you interviewed?
 
Sure, it's partially yield protection, but things are also constantly changing in terms of what med schools want and what they're doing to get those applicants. Was the interview MMI when you interviewed?

Meh, based on my experience going here, there hasn't been much change.

No.
 
Had a great time at Accepted Students Day. I had no idea that the incoming students from other programs were going to be there, I guess they stay true to their "interprofessional" mission. Very excited to start school here. And those mini cheesecakes at the reception...😀
 
Had a great time at Accepted Students Day. I had no idea that the incoming students from other programs were going to be there, I guess they stay true to their "interprofessional" mission. Very excited to start school here. And those mini cheesecakes at the reception...😀

Yeah, it's more of a moneysaver than anything else. By having all accepted students come on the same day, they pay fewer people overtime and have to buy fewer refreshments.
 
Would you recommend choosing CMS over higher-ranked schools for any particular reasons? Super helpful faculty, quality of rotations, etc.? Thanks for your help!

Depends on the higher-ranked school, depends on the cost of attendance, depends on your personal location preference, and depends on, well, all the specifics, so I assume this is a hypothetical question because you didn't give me any more information in your post. So I suppose my answer is . . . maybe.
 
Depends on the higher-ranked school, depends on the cost of attendance, depends on your personal location preference, and depends on, well, all the specifics, so I assume this is a hypothetical question because you didn't give me any more information in your post. So I suppose my answer is . . . maybe.
You seem bitter about CMS. Anything in particular that you disliked about the school?
 
You seem bitter about CMS. Anything in particular that you disliked about the school?

I didn't particularly like driving to rotation sites in the third and fourth year.

I'm not particularly bitter about the school experience itself - I did well on Step 1, matched into a competitive field at a University program, and still have warm relationships with our faculty. However, I do feel a need to correct misconceptions, particularly that interprofessionalism is, in practice, a priority of the administration. As I've mentioned many times, the administration gives much lip service to interprofessionalism, but the only truly interprofessional part of the school (that is to say, a part where you interact with other students in their specific roles as opposed to all students doing the same thing) is the Interprofessional Community Clinic, which, notably, was created completely by students. The school gave some money and has faculty representation at the clinic (they have to or it wouldn't run).

The other "interprofessional experiences are as follows: HMTD: a course which is largely seen as a waste of time as most of it consists of watching videos and listening to panels of professionals. Anatomy: You take the exact same anatomy course as the podiatry students, and their curve is lower because they don't score as well on exams as the MD students. Pathology: Same thing but with the path assist students thrown in.

So just . . . Feel free to mention interprofessionalism at your interviews; the school clearly thinks it's important from a marketing perspective and wants you on board. Just know that it isn't really a selling point. If you want the selling points, it's the varied clinical sites (including Cook County Hospital, which I think is a great place to learn) and the location. As you all know, the cost of attendance is miserable. The clinical research experiences are extremely limited because we don't have a home hospital and use mainly community sites, but if you branch out and send a bajillion e-mails (remember shadowing?), you can find something as I did.
 
I didn't particularly like driving to rotation sites in the third and fourth year.

I'm not particularly bitter about the school experience itself - I did well on Step 1, matched into a competitive field at a University program, and still have warm relationships with our faculty. However, I do feel a need to correct misconceptions, particularly that interprofessionalism is, in practice, a priority of the administration. As I've mentioned many times, the administration gives much lip service to interprofessionalism, but the only truly interprofessional part of the school (that is to say, a part where you interact with other students in their specific roles as opposed to all students doing the same thing) is the Interprofessional Community Clinic, which, notably, was created completely by students. The school gave some money and has faculty representation at the clinic (they have to or it wouldn't run).

The other "interprofessional experiences are as follows: HMTD: a course which is largely seen as a waste of time as most of it consists of watching videos and listening to panels of professionals. Anatomy: You take the exact same anatomy course as the podiatry students, and their curve is lower because they don't score as well on exams as the MD students. Pathology: Same thing but with the path assist students thrown in.

So just . . . Feel free to mention interprofessionalism at your interviews; the school clearly thinks it's important from a marketing perspective and wants you on board. Just know that it isn't really a selling point. If you want the selling points, it's the varied clinical sites (including Cook County Hospital, which I think is a great place to learn) and the location. As you all know, the cost of attendance is miserable. The clinical research experiences are extremely limited because we don't have a home hospital and use mainly community sites, but if you branch out and send a bajillion e-mails (remember shadowing?), you can find something as I did.
You've mentioned the things I don't like about this school. If you don't mind me asking what speciality did you go into?

I looked at the previous years' match lists and saw that several students matched into Dermatology and other highly competitive specialties. Do you have any input on how they did it? I mean, there is not any dermatology research at CMS, so I assume they found external research and rotations on their own.
 
You've mentioned the things I don't like about this school. If you don't mind me asking what speciality did you go into?

I looked at the previous years' match lists and saw that several students matched into Dermatology and other highly competitive specialties. Do you have any input on how they did it? I mean, there is not any dermatology research at CMS, so I assume they found external research and rotations on their own.

Med-peds.

And as for the ones who matched into dermatology, they did extremely well on Step 1 and their clinical rotations and found research at some of our affiliated hospitals (Cook County is the most notable one, and I was easily able to find dermatology research when I had some interest in the field). Frankly, it's the Step 1 score that keeps most of the general population out of dermatology, orthopedic surgery, opthalmology, and ENT, but we have people match into these fields every year. We had someone match into integrated plastics this year, which is pretty cool. She was junior AOA as well.
 
Med-peds.

And as for the ones who matched into dermatology, they did extremely well on Step 1 and their clinical rotations and found research at some of our affiliated hospitals (Cook County is the most notable one, and I was easily able to find dermatology research when I had some interest in the field). Frankly, it's the Step 1 score that keeps most of the general population out of dermatology, orthopedic surgery, opthalmology, and ENT, but we have people match into these fields every year. We had someone match into integrated plastics this year, which is pretty cool. She was junior AOA as well.
Would you say that the curriculum adequately prepares the students for Step 1 or is it all up to you and external studying materials?
 
Would you say that the curriculum adequately prepares the students for Step 1 or is it all up to you and external studying materials?

Like almost all medical schools, the program adequately prepares you for Step 1 . . . provided you study on your own for it during your second year. You'll probably pass if you do nothing extra, but you won't do well. Our average is typically around the national average.
 
Like almost all medical schools, the program adequately prepares you for Step 1 . . . provided you study on your own for it during your second year. You'll probably pass if you do nothing extra, but you won't do well. Our average is typically around the national average.

What "extra" things can one do to at RFU to maximize chances of getting an above average step score?
 
did anyone hear anything about the fb group at the visit day? i heard someone mention they would give us the link. i want to start finding a roommate 🙂
 
Uworld, first aid, pathoma.


Large dogs

Start these things alongside the regular curriculum, as in studying it concurrently? I've heard of some people starting first aid early. Or is this too much on top of our regular study load?
 
did anyone hear anything about the fb group at the visit day? i heard someone mention they would give us the link. i want to start finding a roommate 🙂

I didn't hear anything. It might be worth reaching out to admissions if they don't start one soon.
 
Start these things alongside the regular curriculum, as in studying it concurrently? I've heard of some people starting first aid early. Or is this too much on top of our regular study load?

Here's the writeup of my study strategy I wrote up two years ago.

Step 1 study strategy:

Final result: 248

During M2 year until February, I just studied for classes with the intent to pass. I used Pathoma to study for pathology, but otherwise, I stayed away from any other materials.

Starting after February break, when our class schedule became lighter, I started studying in earnest.

1. Every day, I would attempt to go through 5-6 DIT lectures (pirated), annotating extra information into First Aid and answering the quiz questions as if I was taking a real quiz. At this point, I did no extra review of First Aid.

2. Every day, I would go through 1 Uworld set, usually on tutor mode, and it would take 3-4 hours. I would annotate new information from any question into First Aid.

3. I made it my goal to redo all of Pathoma by April 30.

4. Once April 1 hit, I started doing at least 2 Uworld sets a day. I did NOT study for the school's basic science shelf exams. Once I got through all of Uworld, I started doing all of my incorrects a little, and I distinctly remember resetting my Uworld subscription on April 15, at which point I started over.

5. Once May 1 hit, I started doing about 4 Uworld sets per day. They went faster because I had already seen the question. UWorld is, in my opinion, the MOST IMPORTANT part of the process. You can pass on DIT for a day, and you can pass on Pathoma for a day, but just DO THE UWORLD QUESTIONS EVERY DAY. Ultimately, I got through Uworld a total of 2 times.

6. Once April 12th hit (specific date because that's when I started doing a spreadsheet), I started doing one NBME practice exam OR one UWorld practice exam every week. I did the expanded feedback so I could see what I got wrong. UWorld overestimates, the NBME scores predict pretty well. The pattern of scores I got is documented in the following google doc. I'm CMS Student 1(For references, CMS students 2 and 3 are actual students, so you can get a good idea from them how the NBMEs approximate your real score). I would suggest doing ALL of the NBMEs so that you know how it feels to feel TERRIBLE about Step 1 and then see a score that's (hopefully) better than what you expected.

https://docs.google.com/a/my.rfums....ABOJMt7-Uy8KKB4Nz9YFIoXSCPQpxdXqOo/edit#gid=0

7. Around May 1st, I made it my goal to do two FULL PASSES of Pathoma within the final month. I got through it around 1.4 times, and the extra chapters I did were the first few, since they're incredibly high yield.

Final two pieces of advice: EVERY SINGLE PERSON (except me, maybe because former M3s prepared me) I've talked to comes out of Step 1 thinking they did terribly and stresses about it for a full month before the scores come out. JUST DON'T DO IT. Trust the practice exams you took. They approximate your score pretty well.

Also, if you have taken 3-4 practice tests and you're in the 240s or 250s and you still have 6 weeks left to study, MOVE YOUR EXAM UP A FEW WEEKS. You will likely burn out, and if you're doing well, there's no reason to go crazy spending another 6 weeks studying. If you take your exam early, you get a summer vacation. I essentially had a whole month off before rotations because I took step 1 in late May, and it was the best decision I ever made. You need that time before rotations.

One final word: If you are passing, DO NOT delay your first rotation. You are unlikely to improve much after dedicatedstudy time unless you were COMPLETELY slacking off. Everyone has a cap to their performance.

I'm not answering any more questions about studying for Step 1 until you've at least hit M2 year because asking about study strategies this early is ridiculous.
 
Here's the writeup of my study strategy I wrote up two years ago.

Step 1 study strategy:

Final result: 248

During M2 year until February, I just studied for classes with the intent to pass. I used Pathoma to study for pathology, but otherwise, I stayed away from any other materials.

Starting after February break, when our class schedule became lighter, I started studying in earnest.

1. Every day, I would attempt to go through 5-6 DIT lectures (pirated), annotating extra information into First Aid and answering the quiz questions as if I was taking a real quiz. At this point, I did no extra review of First Aid.

2. Every day, I would go through 1 Uworld set, usually on tutor mode, and it would take 3-4 hours. I would annotate new information from any question into First Aid.

3. I made it my goal to redo all of Pathoma by April 30.

4. Once April 1 hit, I started doing at least 2 Uworld sets a day. I did NOT study for the school's basic science shelf exams. Once I got through all of Uworld, I started doing all of my incorrects a little, and I distinctly remember resetting my Uworld subscription on April 15, at which point I started over.

5. Once May 1 hit, I started doing about 4 Uworld sets per day. They went faster because I had already seen the question. UWorld is, in my opinion, the MOST IMPORTANT part of the process. You can pass on DIT for a day, and you can pass on Pathoma for a day, but just DO THE UWORLD QUESTIONS EVERY DAY. Ultimately, I got through Uworld a total of 2 times.

6. Once April 12th hit (specific date because that's when I started doing a spreadsheet), I started doing one NBME practice exam OR one UWorld practice exam every week. I did the expanded feedback so I could see what I got wrong. UWorld overestimates, the NBME scores predict pretty well. The pattern of scores I got is documented in the following google doc. I'm CMS Student 1(For references, CMS students 2 and 3 are actual students, so you can get a good idea from them how the NBMEs approximate your real score). I would suggest doing ALL of the NBMEs so that you know how it feels to feel TERRIBLE about Step 1 and then see a score that's (hopefully) better than what you expected.

https://docs.google.com/a/my.rfums....ABOJMt7-Uy8KKB4Nz9YFIoXSCPQpxdXqOo/edit#gid=0

7. Around May 1st, I made it my goal to do two FULL PASSES of Pathoma within the final month. I got through it around 1.4 times, and the extra chapters I did were the first few, since they're incredibly high yield.

Final two pieces of advice: EVERY SINGLE PERSON (except me, maybe because former M3s prepared me) I've talked to comes out of Step 1 thinking they did terribly and stresses about it for a full month before the scores come out. JUST DON'T DO IT. Trust the practice exams you took. They approximate your score pretty well.

Also, if you have taken 3-4 practice tests and you're in the 240s or 250s and you still have 6 weeks left to study, MOVE YOUR EXAM UP A FEW WEEKS. You will likely burn out, and if you're doing well, there's no reason to go crazy spending another 6 weeks studying. If you take your exam early, you get a summer vacation. I essentially had a whole month off before rotations because I took step 1 in late May, and it was the best decision I ever made. You need that time before rotations.

One final word: If you are passing, DO NOT delay your first rotation. You are unlikely to improve much after dedicatedstudy time unless you were COMPLETELY slacking off. Everyone has a cap to their performance.

I'm not answering any more questions about studying for Step 1 until you've at least hit M2 year because asking about study strategies this early is ridiculous.
Thank you so much for this write up, this is gold. I'm going to save this post and come back to it when I'm at the right stage in med school.
 
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