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Interviewed here today! Fantastic school, amazing curriculum. Definitely a top choice 🙂
OUWB | |
pros | cons |
given MacBook Pros and stethoscopes | H/P/F pre-clinical |
excellent hospital system for clerkships (you can do them all in the same hospital network in the same area so no moving!) | exams are not always on Friday (aka free weekend) |
care about wellbeing and mental health (free and discounted therapy) | pretty much have to attend lecture to get honors (>70% attendance) |
give UWorld for freeee (for 3 months) | no MS3 electives |
cost of living is reasonable | quartiles for MSPE (you're ranked and your preclinical grades matter for this so you really have to attend lecture if you want to be in the top quartile it seems) |
lectures are live-streamed and recorded | location isn't really amazing? But, it seems fine for a med school and brings cost of living down bc it's not in a huge city |
a mix of NBME and in-house exams (some professors write NBME exam questions and they're doing away with the old NBME preclinical exams bc the questions used were retired for a reason (aka too hard or too easy or outdated info)) | |
facilities are really nice - it's a newer school and the cadaver lab is well ventilated with lots of windows which is nice because you spend a lot of time there MS1 | |
free parking at med school and hospital | |
free printing (even color) | |
tuition includes health insurance and rec center access | |
step dedicated time can be between 5-9 weeks depending on how you schedule it | |
50% of students leave OUWB published | |
an inclusive, supportive, collaborative environment that seems really student-centered | |
Use epic for their EHR | |
Really nice student lounge with microwaves, fridges, a ton of dishes/silverware, printing, lockers, Nintendo switch, pool, etc. | |
Step scores are really good for a "lower" tier school. They scored 235 (+/- 16) in 2018 and 236 (+/-) 17 in 2017 | |
Sim center has 2 mock OR rooms with da Vinci in them that students can practice with and also match well into ortho and other surgical subspecialties |
Very nice list! Good job! Let’s all hope to hear some good news in the next few weeks!
OUWB pros cons given MacBook Pros and stethoscopes H/P/F pre-clinical excellent hospital system for clerkships (you can do them all in the same hospital network in the same area so no moving!) exams are not always on Friday (aka free weekend) care about wellbeing and mental health (free and discounted therapy) pretty much have to attend lecture to get honors (>70% attendance) give UWorld for freeee (for 3 months) no MS3 electives cost of living is reasonable quartiles for MSPE (you're ranked and your preclinical grades matter for this so you really have to attend lecture if you want to be in the top quartile it seems) lectures are live-streamed and recorded location isn't really amazing? But, it seems fine for a med school and brings cost of living down bc it's not in a huge city a mix of NBME and in-house exams (some professors write NBME exam questions and they're doing away with the old NBME preclinical exams bc the questions used were retired for a reason (aka too hard or too easy or outdated info)) facilities are really nice - it's a newer school and the cadaver lab is well ventilated with lots of windows which is nice because you spend a lot of time there MS1 free parking at med school and hospital free printing (even color) tuition includes health insurance and rec center access step dedicated time can be between 5-9 weeks depending on how you schedule it 50% of students leave OUWB published an inclusive, supportive, collaborative environment that seems really student-centered Use epic for their EHR Really nice student lounge with microwaves, fridges, a ton of dishes/silverware, printing, lockers, Nintendo switch, pool, etc. Step scores are really good for a "lower" tier school. They scored 235 (+/- 16) in 2018 and 236 (+/-) 17 in 2017 Sim center has 2 mock OR rooms with da Vinci in them that students can practice with and also match well into ortho and other surgical subspecialties
OUWB pros cons given MacBook Pros and stethoscopes H/P/F pre-clinical excellent hospital system for clerkships (you can do them all in the same hospital network in the same area so no moving!) exams are not always on Friday (aka free weekend) care about wellbeing and mental health (free and discounted therapy) pretty much have to attend lecture to get honors (>70% attendance) give UWorld for freeee (for 3 months) no MS3 electives cost of living is reasonable quartiles for MSPE (you're ranked and your preclinical grades matter for this so you really have to attend lecture if you want to be in the top quartile it seems) lectures are live-streamed and recorded location isn't really amazing? But, it seems fine for a med school and brings cost of living down bc it's not in a huge city a mix of NBME and in-house exams (some professors write NBME exam questions and they're doing away with the old NBME preclinical exams bc the questions used were retired for a reason (aka too hard or too easy or outdated info)) facilities are really nice - it's a newer school and the cadaver lab is well ventilated with lots of windows which is nice because you spend a lot of time there MS1 free parking at med school and hospital free printing (even color) tuition includes health insurance and rec center access step dedicated time can be between 5-9 weeks depending on how you schedule it 50% of students leave OUWB published an inclusive, supportive, collaborative environment that seems really student-centered Use epic for their EHR Really nice student lounge with microwaves, fridges, a ton of dishes/silverware, printing, lockers, Nintendo switch, pool, etc. Step scores are really good for a "lower" tier school. They scored 235 (+/- 16) in 2018 and 236 (+/-) 17 in 2017 Sim center has 2 mock OR rooms with da Vinci in them that students can practice with and also match well into ortho and other surgical subspecialties
OUWB pros cons given MacBook Pros and stethoscopes H/P/F pre-clinical excellent hospital system for clerkships (you can do them all in the same hospital network in the same area so no moving!) exams are not always on Friday (aka free weekend) care about wellbeing and mental health (free and discounted therapy) pretty much have to attend lecture to get honors (>70% attendance) give UWorld for freeee (for 3 months) no MS3 electives cost of living is reasonable quartiles for MSPE (you're ranked and your preclinical grades matter for this so you really have to attend lecture if you want to be in the top quartile it seems) lectures are live-streamed and recorded location isn't really amazing? But, it seems fine for a med school and brings cost of living down bc it's not in a huge city a mix of NBME and in-house exams (some professors write NBME exam questions and they're doing away with the old NBME preclinical exams bc the questions used were retired for a reason (aka too hard or too easy or outdated info)) facilities are really nice - it's a newer school and the cadaver lab is well ventilated with lots of windows which is nice because you spend a lot of time there MS1 free parking at med school and hospital free printing (even color) tuition includes health insurance and rec center access step dedicated time can be between 5-9 weeks depending on how you schedule it 50% of students leave OUWB published an inclusive, supportive, collaborative environment that seems really student-centered Use epic for their EHR Really nice student lounge with microwaves, fridges, a ton of dishes/silverware, printing, lockers, Nintendo switch, pool, etc. Step scores are really good for a "lower" tier school. They scored 235 (+/- 16) in 2018 and 236 (+/-) 17 in 2017 Sim center has 2 mock OR rooms with da Vinci in them that students can practice with and also match well into ortho and other surgical subspecialties
I can that it's amazing across the entire great state of Michiganive heard the craft beer scene is great in royal oak. can you confirm good sir?
bc it's a thinly veiled a/b/c. The vast majority of schools have switched to p/f for preclinical years bc it fosters collaboration and a better learning environment. OUWB is all about community and collaboration so it would make sense to me for them to want to make p/f happenWhy do you consider h/p/f a con? Seems to be the new standard for med school curriculums, unless you’re talking about the attendance specifically
bc it's a thinly veiled a/b/c. The vast majority of schools have switched to p/f for preclinical years bc it fosters collaboration and a better learning environment. OUWB is all about community and collaboration so it would make sense to me for them to want to make p/f happen
Lots of good craft beer spots if that's what you're into. Includes Roak, Ale Mary's, Royal Oak Brewery, HopCat (although that's a chain), River Rouge, Jolly Pumpkin. Also lots of good brewery spots in Detroit. There's a few breweries near Oakland as well.ive heard the craft beer scene is great in royal oak. can you confirm good sir?
I wouldn't say that h/p/f hinders collaboration in any way. There's no limit as to how many students can get honors (some schools do top 10%) so it doesn't hurt anyone to help others. My class often has shared study guides for longitudinal classes and openly shares study resources on facebook.bc it's a thinly veiled a/b/c. The vast majority of schools have switched to p/f for preclinical years bc it fosters collaboration and a better learning environment. OUWB is all about community and collaboration so it would make sense to me for them to want to make p/f happen
oh yessssss. anyone else interviewing on 10/25? We can meet up and grab some drinks @ these spots after the interview?Lots of good craft beer spots if that's what you're into. Includes Roak, Ale Mary's, Royal Oak Brewery, HopCat (although that's a chain), River Rouge, Jolly Pumpkin. Also lots of good brewery spots in Detroit. There's a few breweries near Oakland as well.
Honors does matter in that it gets you different grade points. If you pass an organ system, you earn 2 grade points for every credit the class is. If you honor, you earn 3 grade points for every credit the class is. Therefore, when they go to "rank" you for your Dean's Letter that will be sent to residency programs you will be placed in different quartiles depending on your total grade points. You are never told what your rank is in the class (whether you are 57 out of 125 etc), only the quartile. I feel like this too helps contribute to a non-competitive learning environment because you are not diminished to a mere number out of 125. Therefore, honoring does matter and can greatly benefit you.Honors doesn’t really matter though, so I guess it’s not as bad as High pass/fail, etc
I wouldn't say that h/p/f hinders collaboration in any way. There's no limit as to how many students can get honors (some schools do top 10%) so it doesn't hurt anyone to help others. My class often has shared study guides for longitudinal classes and openly shares study resources on facebook.
As a student, I do not mind h/p/f. I think I would be bothered if I did really well in a class and got 95% and got the same "pass" as someone who got 71%. With just p/f students would not be as motivated to learn the material to the full depth that they should and would just strive for a passing grade if it's all the same. The idea of needing a certain grade as well as attendance in order to earn honors is that an "honors" student is someone who is engaged and actively participates in the learning community.
The only time honors is a pain in the butt is when you get a 89.4% in a class and miss the honors mark and wish you would have just taken the weekend off to do something fun since your 89.4% would have gotten you the same grade as a 69.5% haha.
This is actually a hot take. We have pretty good evidence that this is not the case as there are a multitude of schools with P/F who do excellently on the boards. Not only that, but medical students are not these weak beings who need to be constantly goaded into studying material instead of watching Netflix. If you aren't motivated to study, that's a personal problem, not a curricular problem. The added "motivation" can be nice, but for many P/F is a much better choice for a variety of reasons.With just p/f students would not be as motivated to learn the material to the full depth that they should and would just strive for a passing grade if it's all the same. The idea of needing a certain grade as well as attendance in order to earn honors is that an "honors" student is someone who is engaged and actively participates in the learning community.
Thanks for sharing.
I think you're wrong about the "not motivated to learn the material to the full depth that they should" part. Just my personal opinion 🙂
Also, it shouldn't matter bc you aren't competing w the student who got a 70. You both are there to learn. (So honors shouldn't matttttter or be a thing as it isn't at the vast majority of MD programs that are P/F). I feel like you, in general, have to be motivated as a med school student, and your grades don't have anything to do w it
This is actually a hot take. We have pretty good evidence that this is not the case as there are a multitude of schools with P/F who do excellently on the boards. Not only that, but medical students are not these weak beings who need to be constantly goaded into studying material instead of watching Netflix. If you aren't motivated to study, that's a personal problem, not a curricular problem. The added "motivation" can be nice, but for many P/F is a much better choice for a variety of reasons.
I guess, lemme re-phrase, do you think OUWB would have anything to lose by going P/F pre-clin?Of course everyone should try to learn everything to the fullest depth possible for the future step exam and more generally their future patients (which is heavily emphasized at OUWB). I am only speaking from my experience in an h/p/f program, which I feel does not breed competition. The entire class can earn honors in a course if they work hard enough. I respect everyone's opinion and evidence from studies but I would dare say that speculating how motivated you are going to be as a medical student versus how you feel when you are in the thick of things can be vastly different 🙂
I personally think OUWB would lose its sense of community if it were p/f. I say this because the attendance requirement for honors plays a large role in building a bond and establishing relations among classmates. Again, this is my opinion and not all OUWB students would agree as many do not like the attendance policy.I guess, lemme re-phrase, do you think OUWB would have anything to lose by going P/F pre-clin?
Perhaps @Chicken Little and other current students could also weigh in.I guess, lemme re-phrase, do you think OUWB would have anything to lose by going P/F pre-clin?
They don’t start rolling them out until Wednesday 😉Alright OUWB... I'm going to go to bed now. When I wake up I'm going to be expecting a little something in my inbox.... don't disappoint me now
They don’t start rolling them out until Wednesday 😉
They told us on 10/4 the earliest date was the 16th! I read on past threads they only accept on the 1st, 3rd, and 5th Wednesday's of every month.Stoppppp how do you know this? Last year people on SDN, as well as one of my friends, got accepted on the 15th
They told us on 10/4 the earliest date was the 16th! I read on past threads they only accept on the 1st, 3rd, and 5th Wednesday's of every month.
*neuroticism intensifies*
Expect to never hear from them again so that you’ll be pleasantly surprised lolWhat I’m confused.. last year a bunch of people got the news on 15th which was a Monday. But then some people also got it Wednesday later. So what do we expect
I was from the 1st interview date and I have not. Did they say for sure they will contact us today? Has anyone spoken to admissions recently?Has anyone received a call or email with decision yet? especially those from first 2 interview dates
I recall them saying 10/16 was the first date they COULD accept. If I had to guess, their first meeting was today and they may call a bit later. From last years thread, people even received calls after 5pm.I was from the 1st interview date and I have not. Did they say for sure they will contact us today? Has anyone spoken to admissions recently?
I read on last year's thread that they review apps on the 1st, 3rd, and 5th Wednesday of each month and asked the dean of admissions if that was true when I was there and he said yes?I recall them saying 10/16 was the first date they COULD accept. If I had to guess, their first meeting was today and they may call a bit later. From last years thread, people even received calls after 5pm.
Wow! Congratulations!IM ACCEPTED!!!!!
GOT THE PHONE CALL ABOUT TWO HOURS AGO LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!!!
CONGRATS!!!IM ACCEPTED!!!!!
GOT THE PHONE CALL ABOUT TWO HOURS AGO LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!!!
+1Yup, 9/26 interview here. Hope they keep calling with good news.
Omg yes!!! Congrats!IM ACCEPTED!!!!!
GOT THE PHONE CALL ABOUT TWO HOURS AGO LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Wow! Congratulations!
Congrats @Jappa! I know this was a (if not THE) top choice for you!
CONGRATS!!!
Omg yes!!! Congrats!
Hope for the former. Expect the latter.Do you guys know if they keep calling for the rest of the week or we won't know until the 5th Wednesday of the month now?
Yeah, that goes without saying.Hope for the former. Expect the latter.
When did you interview btw?Ahh posted at the same time, thank you so much!!
When did you interview btw?
So, I've been complete since July and I haven't heard anything yet. Am I the only one lol