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I'm currently applying and I need perspective on current student at Loma Linda. How do you like it there?

i'm a christian but not a SDA, and I drink on occasiions(friend's bday, after a big test), so how strict is their policy? what do you guys do for fun there?

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Pre-med issue and now moved to pre-allo. Allopathic medical students read and reply to threads in pre-allo and may follow and reply to this one if desired.
 
I just applied there about 30 minutes ago. Why can't you do whatever you want on your free time, like get wasted? How would they know or enforce any rule like that?

Just wondering if you know something I don't know, like that you have to live on campus or something.
 
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I just applied there about 30 minutes ago. Why can't you do whatever you want on your free time, like get wasted? How would they know or enforce any rule like that?

Just wondering if you know something I don't know, like that you have to live on campus or something.

that sucks.

i knew it was a bible thumper academy, i didn't know that they liked to control your outside life. is that really true?
 
that sucks.

i knew it was a bible thumper academy, i didn't know that they liked to control your outside life. is that really true?


Don't you have to sign something that says you won't take alcohol, tobacco, or drugs? Probably includes premarital sex too.
 
so are there any Loma Linda med students on these forums to shed light? There are plenty of threads which talk about their policies but I've never seen an actual student talk about it.
 
Don't you have to sign something that says you won't take alcohol, tobacco, or drugs? Probably includes premarital sex too.

Well i'll sign for tobacco and drugs, but the other two are gonna be needed almost daily.
 
If yall cant abide or attempt to abide by the policies...wth did you even apply?
 
From their secondary (you can search for the thread) it appears the two following questions are on the secondary:

(5)As a Seventh-day Adventist institution, LLU has lifestyle expectations which include abstinence from alcohol, tobacco and illicit drugs/substances in all forms while enrolled. During the past year, have you used any of these substances? If so, which ones? (250 characters max)

(6)If you are accepted to LLU School of Medicine, are you willing to abide by the lifestyle policies of the university while enrolled? (250 characters max)
 
does LL have a good reputation, academically?
 
One warning, don't get anyone pregnant. THEY WILL EXPEL YOU IF THEY FIND OUT. Obviously if you're married then feel free to embrace your inner rabbit.

This is the case at their undergraduate colleges.
 
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From their secondary (you can search for the thread) it appears the two following questions are on the secondary:


(6)If you are accepted to LLU School of Medicine, are you willing to abide by the lifestyle policies of the university while enrolled? (250 characters max)


No. (3 characters)
 
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If yall cant abide or attempt to abide by the policies...wth did you even apply?

I didn't know there were policies. Why would there be policies at a medical school? Either way, I would do whatever I had to do in order to stay out of trouble.
 
One warning, don't get anyone pregnant. THEY WILL EXPEL YOU IF THEY FIND OUT. Obviously if you're married then feel free to embrace your inner rabbit.

This is the case at their undergraduate colleges.

hahahahaha, how uptight can you be? That's ridiculous, better just keep that kind of stuff on a need to know basis. School = doesn't need to know.
 
I didn't know there were policies. Why would there be policies at a medical school? Either way, I would do whatever I had to do in order to stay out of trouble.
Yeah...Its a Seventh day adventist institue...They supposedly refrain from caffeine, alcohol, drugs, cigs, and premartial sex...while they dont have soda dispensers on campus...they really dont care if you bring in a coffee or coke to class...same with meat.

I read if you have an alcohol problem after being accepted...they dont kick you out..they just get you counseling or something, haha.
 
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Yeah...Its a Seventh day adventist institue...They supposedly refrain from caffeine, alcohol, drugs, cigs, and premartial sex...while they dont have soda dispensers on campus...they really dont care if you bring in a coffee or coke to class.

I read if you have an alcohol problem after being accepted...they dont kick you out..they just get you counseling or something, haha.

Holy ****, not even a soda machine on campus. They are starting to sound so incredibly uptight that I don't think I could do it. I like to drink liquor, ****, drink soda, and drop the F-bomb. I don't think i'd fit in that well.
 
Holy ****, not even a soda machine on campus. They are starting to sound so incredibly uptight that I don't think I could do it. I like to drink liquor, ****, drink soda, and drop the F-bomb. I don't think i'd fit in that well.
hahaha, yeah probably not the ideal school for you.
 
I've heard that they have been having some financial problems. A physician I talked to actually thought they had already closed down.
Just speculation.
 
I've heard that they have been having some financial problems. A physician I talked to actually thought they had already closed down.
Just speculation.
Id like to see somedata on that..
 
My worries stem from their ability to forge physicians who are able to relate to the diverse situations their patients may present them with.
 
My worries stem from their ability to forge physicians who are able to relate to the diverse situations their patients may present them with.
that really shouldnt be a worry...its not like there hospital rejects atheists or anything...they just believe in treating the "whole" person.
 
Although I was never a student there I worked at Loma Linda for quite some time. They do enforce the no alcohol policy with students quite strictly. If a student is caught drinking just once than you have to take alcohol education classes for a long time. You sign a contract upon matriculation stating you wont use alcohol or drugs at all. If you can't abide by that than don't apply. Loma Linda is an SDA institution, and their mission is to train "christian physicians."

Loma Linda is a solid school, especially if you are a devout christian, but for anyone it is a good school. The majority of the class is SDA (for which they naturally give admissions preference), with most of the rest some kind of christian, but they have students from other backgrounds as well. It's reputation for clinical training is excellent, they run the only level 1 in all of inland socal. Research is also strong there, they are most famous for "Baby Fae" back in the 80's, when a baboon heart was transplanted into a newborn, and also they were the first to have clinical proton therapy (the hospital's basement is basically a giant particle accelerator).

Holy ****, not even a soda machine on campus. They are starting to sound so incredibly uptight that I don't think I could do it. I like to drink liquor, ****, drink soda, and drop the F-bomb. I don't think i'd fit in that well.

They have soda machines, but only decaf. (There are actually a couple secret, "underground" soda machines on campus that have caffeine, in some of the doc's lounges and so forth). But it seems the school may not be the best fit for you, if those things are so important.

Ohh yeah, and in case it wasn't mentioned already there is no meat at all in any of the cafeterias (strict SDAs are vegetarians). Although for students I don't think being a vegetarian is enforced outside of that.

I've heard that they have been having some financial problems. A physician I talked to actually thought they had already closed down.
Just speculation.
Your physician is full of it. Loma Linda is actually expanding right now, they just built a brand new facility for the medical school and are going to double the size of the already huge hospital in the next decade or so.

My worries stem from their ability to forge physicians who are able to relate to the diverse situations their patients may present them with.

I'm actually convinced they may do a better job at this than some other schools, because that's part of their mission. There is nothing about being a seventh day adventist, or nothing about someone who abstains from drinking, that says you can't relate to people.

Ohh and in case anyone is wondering, I didn't go there (I'm at my state school) because i'm not an SDA, not a very devout christian and wouldn't do well in the environment. But if that's for you than it is a great school.
 
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Your physician is full of it. Loma Linda is actually expanding right now, they just built a brand new facility for the medical school and are going to double the size of the already huge hospital in the next decade or so.

Good to hear, I stand corrected.👍
 
They have soda machines, but only decaf. (There are actually a couple secret, "underground" soda machines on campus that have caffeine, in some of the doc's lounges and so forth). But it seems the school may not be the best fit for you, if those things are so important.

Ohh yeah, and in case it wasn't mentioned already there is no meat at all in any of the cafeterias (strict SDAs are vegetarians). Although for students I don't think being a vegetarian is enforced outside of that.

Oh my god, I hate the school more every minute. What the hell is wrong with them. It sounds like a cult running a medical school.
 
Oh my god, I hate the school more every minute. What the hell is wrong with them. It sounds like a cult running a medical school.

I wonder if Tom Cruise does the promotion videos for this school... hmmm...
 
Oh my god, I hate the school more every minute. What the hell is wrong with them. It sounds like a cult running a medical school.

SDA aren't vegetarians as a denomination; they have no meat in their institutions and many refrain from pork and shellfish a la Old Testament guidelines. Many end up being vegetarian as a result, but it is not actually a requirement not to eat meat.

So if you ever find yourself a patient at a 7th Day Adventist hospital, be warned that your meals, beyond the usual hospital food quality, will be vegetarian.
 
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Eek. Wrong thread.

I guess I could add that I'm glad I decided not to apply to this school. I had no idea they had those policies.
 
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I have a question. If I answer that I do drink alcohol, will they reject me automatically?
 
first, do I have to take any kind of religious science class?

second, I am not religious at all, will I REALLY suffer there?
 
Oh my god, I hate the school more every minute. What the hell is wrong with them. It sounds like a cult running a medical school.

As a private school, they reserve the right to incorporate their beliefs into their curriculum and policies as they see fit. If you don't want to go there because you disagree with their policies or find their particular lifestyle unappealing, that's fine - don't apply there. But it is ridiculous to call them a cult because just because you don't share the same beliefs or follow the same customs.

Many private institutions were founded by religious denominations, and have (and enforce) policies that are rooted in their particular faith. I have a relative who was once faced with the choice of either marrying her boyfriend or not being permitted to graduate from her very Christian Texan undergraduate institution because she became pregnant during her junior year. There is nothing cultish about such policies - if you don't want to respect and abide by the rules of an institution, don't go there in the first place.
 
I read in a thread that over 90% of classmates are devout Christians. Even if you are accepted, it is going to be tough to have colleagues who think that most of their textbooks are BS (like genetics-->evolution). Personally, I think that this school has illegal practices. Private institution or not, when you are discriminating by religion, you are violating the law. Given the competitiveness of CA med schools, it is frustrating to see that this school, which is a misfit for a liberal state like CA, takes up precious school space. I wish there was another med school instead of it or that SDA meant "Soap and Detergent Association."

Before any of you devouts start a crusade here, ask yourself how would you feel if there was a medical school that accepted 90% atheists and left the other 10% for agnostics and other religions. There would be a real crusade. I'll add count two: hypocrisy charge.

We are not even required to submit information about our religion. I bet LL would reject the vast majority of such applicants, assuming it even allows to skip the religion question.

We're in the 21st century. Separation of state and church occurred a long time ago. Why we have a vestigial school that is homogeneous with religion right here in CA is perplexing. It feels to be equivalent to a science school that advocates Scientology. What an oxymoron.
 
I read in a thread that over 90% of classmates are devout Christians. Even if you are accepted, it is going to be tough to have colleagues who think that most of their textbooks are BS (like genetics-->evolution). Personally, I think that this school has illegal practices. Private institution or not, when you are discriminating by religion, you are violating the law. Given the competitiveness of CA med schools, it is frustrating to see that this school, which is a misfit for a liberal state like CA, takes up precious school space. I wish there was another med school instead of it or that SDA meant "Soap and Detergent Association."

Before any of you devouts start a crusade here, ask yourself how would you feel if there was a medical school that accepted 90% atheists and left the other 10% for agnostics and other religions. There would be a real crusade. I'll add count two: hypocrisy charge.
If its a private school is their choice....Plus bein christian does not mean you dont believe in evolution, gimme a break🙄
 
ask yourself how would you feel if there was a medical school that accepted 90% atheists and left the other 10% for agnostics and other religions.

I'd love it! :laugh:
 
Cali schools so competitive...whine whine...Too bad other states have lower acceptance rates..
 
will I be forced to say prayers?
 
Before any of you devouts start a crusade here, ask yourself how would you feel if there was a medical school that accepted 90% atheists and left the other 10% for agnostics and other religions.

Obviously, you've never been to the People's Republic of Maryland. :laugh:

Seriously though...
There would be a real crusade. I'll add count two: hypocrisy charge.

I am by no means a devout ANYTHING, and I consider myself to be rather socially liberal. That said, I respect the right of any PRIVATE institution to incorporate their beliefs as they see fit - even when it comes to admissions. If a group of atheists were to get together and come up with the budget required to start a medical school, acquire licensure/accrediation/whatever it takes to become a legitimate institution for medical education, and preach atheistic dogma to students/expect students to uphold their particular atheistic standards, I highly doubt there would be much objection. Medical schools like Georgetown, Loyola, etc. have been in operation for years - I don't see why an atheist institution would present any problems. However, as "atheism" isn't an organized religion on the scale of the Catholic church/insert other organized religion here, it would probably be difficult to come up with a suitable atheist curriculum and set of policies that all atheists agree upon. As a matter of fact, as I see it, most state-funded medical schools ARE atheistic in terms of policy. There are no religious beliefs/lectures/expectations/etc. tied to admission, curriculum, or clinical training at these institutions.

Furthermore, these religiously-affiliated schools do not require that you convert to their beliefs - they simply require that you respect them and abide by their policies. Other non-religiously affilitated institutions have strict rules and regulations that students must follow - USUHS comes to mind.
 
DoctaJay will probably be able to answer a lot of these questions when he gets back from Africa.
 
Obviously, you've never been to the People's Republic of Maryland. :laugh:

Seriously though...


I am by no means a devout ANYTHING, and I consider myself to be rather socially liberal. That said, I respect the right of any PRIVATE institution to incorporate their beliefs as they see fit - even when it comes to admissions. If a group of atheists were to get together and come up with the budget required to start a medical school, acquire licensure/accrediation/whatever it takes to become a legitimate institution for medical education, and preach atheistic dogma to students/expect students to uphold their particular atheistic standards, I highly doubt there would be much objection. Medical schools like Georgetown, Loyola, etc. have been in operation for years - I don't see why an atheist institution would present any problems. However, as "atheism" isn't an organized religion on the scale of the Catholic church/insert other organized religion here, it would probably be difficult to come up with a suitable atheist curriculum and set of policies that all atheists agree upon. As a matter of fact, as I see it, most state-funded medical schools ARE atheistic in terms of policy. There are no religious beliefs/lectures/expectations/etc. tied to admission, curriculum, or clinical training at these institutions.

Furthermore, these religiously-affiliated schools do not require that you convert to their beliefs - they simply require that you respect them and abide by their policies. Other non-religiously affilitated institutions have strict rules and regulations that students must follow - USUHS comes to mind.

Are you saying that Georgetown is a religious school as well?? What other schools are like this or where can I find the list?

You respect private rights, ok. How about if we push it further? Let's create a school for whites only (or any other race that is the opposite of yours). Would you still respect private rights? Let's not go into belief vs skin color because I could create such "moral" requirements that would heavily favor white candidates. There is a reason why you can't discriminate based on age, sex, race, and religion. And all that stuff that LL wants you only to abide by their rules is BS. When over 90% of the class is SDA or other similarly devout dendrite, it shows that the school selects based on affiliation and not moral character.

Actually I have no problems with LL's requirements in regards to alcohol, tobacco. drugs, etc, since I already live like that. I can live without the meat as well. But I don't like it when the school almost overtly requires you to be a devout Christian or SDA. Neither will I fit in a class that has certain evolutionary beliefs.

While there may be exceptions where an SDA believes in evolution, my interaction and SDN threads show that these people are rare.
 
Given the competitiveness of CA med schools, it is frustrating to see that this school, which is a misfit for a liberal state like CA, takes up precious school space.

This is a ridiculous statement for so many reasons. Just because California is a liberal state does not mean that religious denominations don't have the right to provide education for Church members that is consistent with their particular beliefs. Loma Linda is accredited and therefore adequately train new physicians, at least up to US standards. Whatever else they provide/require in the curriculum is up to the SDAs to decide. And, despite the California location, as a private school, it is not technically a "CA med school." They don't OWE you a spot just because you are a CA resident. It's not like the state of California set aside so many medical school spots 100 years ago and gave a fraction to Loma Linda so that they may exclude non-SDA students like you or me.

We're in the 21st century. Separation of state and church occurred a long time ago. Why we have a vestigial school that is homogeneous with religion right here in CA is perplexing. It feels to be equivalent to a science school that advocates Scientology. What an oxymoron.

Yes, but "State" is not really involved here, now is it? And how is a medical school which emphasizes the Christian values of service, caring, and compassion "vestigial?"
 
I read in a thread that over 90% of classmates are devout Christians. Even if you are accepted, it is going to be tough to have colleagues who think that most of their textbooks are BS (like genetics-->evolution). Personally, I think that this school has illegal practices. Private institution or not, when you are discriminating by religion, you are violating the law. Given the competitiveness of CA med schools, it is frustrating to see that this school, which is a misfit for a liberal state like CA, takes up precious school space. I wish there was another med school instead of it or that SDA meant "Soap and Detergent Association."

Before any of you devouts start a crusade here, ask yourself how would you feel if there was a medical school that accepted 90% atheists and left the other 10% for agnostics and other religions. There would be a real crusade. I'll add count two: hypocrisy charge.

We are not even required to submit information about our religion. I bet LL would reject the vast majority of such applicants, assuming it even allows to skip the religion question.

We're in the 21st century. Separation of state and church occurred a long time ago. Why we have a vestigial school that is homogeneous with religion right here in CA is perplexing. It feels to be equivalent to a science school that advocates Scientology. What an oxymoron.

Wow... just wow. I hope this is some sort of parody that completely went over my head.

For starters, you have no clue about the law or what the "separation of church and state" even means (hint: the state/government must be involved for it to apply) so I suggest you educate yourself on these matters before giving your opinion in the future. I can explain this area to you in greater detail if you wish. Also I wouldn't use words unless you know what they mean.

And no, I'm not SDA.
 
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