SDN Pre-Vet WW 10th Anniversary Game Thread

[Aprilthearab]

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He claimed 3P and said he’s not harmful to village but I’m riding my 3Ps should die train also because I don’t trust him*

*as a WW player. I trust him very much otherwise

Ah, makes sense. I was going to put my vote on him anyway once I caught up (lol it didn't happen and I think it's a lost cause)

I should probably find the tally because if everyone's already piled onto it then I might as well try to place my vote on another scum read because I think we've been focusing too much on individual people the past few yeets

 

[WildZoo]

we've been focusing too much on individual people the past few yeets

I read this as "years" and was like "wtf how long has this game been going on???"

anyway current tally is here

Day 6: What’s In a Cat's Hat Tally

MJ (2) - Cyndia, Sporty
Barks (1) - Ivy
Cray (5) - ?, Doc-S, Barks, Zenge, violet
cubs (2) - cubs, alley
Cyndia (1) - PSV
Ivy (1) - samac

11/19

leading: @Crayola227
missing: less than half

Vote closes at 10pm EDT/9pm CDT/8pm MDT/7pm Fantasyland, TOMORROW, 6/1/22 (~1,825 MINUTES)

Spoiler

D6 Silent Auction ~ closes at 10am EDT 6/1/22 (~18.25 hours)

 

[samac]

I don’t know if I missed this somewhere, but did shorty ever share who she seered/jailed? Or did anyone ever claim getting jailed?

She seered me and mkg.

 

[Doctor-S]

Is this something to consider from the mod write-ups, concerning Paws?

About PAWS (WOLF) ...

In the D5 (Mod write-up):

Noting PAWS (WOLF) is listed as DEAD odd night blocker/even night killer LOST WOLF - - -˃ odd night blocker, FOUND WOLF.

Then, in the N6 (Mod write-up):

Noting PAWS (WOLF) was briefly revived and then dead yet again (who was Zenge, - -˃ lost found wolf).

Noting shorty was also NK'd on N6.

Noting 5 ????? after Mel's name (and noting Mel has not had any role description listed next to his name, since N4).

So now .... I'm wondering how many times PAWS (WOLF) can be still be revived?

And ... who is trying to revive paws?

 

[SportPonies]

Is this something to consider from the mod write-ups, concerning Paws?

About PAWS (WOLF) ...

In the D5 (Mod write-up):

Noting PAWS (WOLF) is listed as DEAD odd night blocker/even night killer LOST WOLF - - -˃ odd night blocker, FOUND WOLF.

Then, in the N6 (Mod write-up):

Noting PAWS (WOLF) was briefly revived and then dead yet again (who was Zenge, - -˃ lost found wolf).

Noting shorty was also NK'd on N6.

Noting 5 ????? after Mel's name (and noting Mel has not had any role description listed next to his name, since N4).

So now .... I'm wondering how many times PAWS (WOLF) can be still be revived?

And ... who is trying to revive paws?

I’m not sure how much of a concern it is for us.

I do have a tinfoil theory that perhaps cubs (IF he is a the stumpmaster) tried to stump-ify paws but couldn’t last night because of whatever else happened to him.

 

[SportPonies]

I just realized something and it’s almost having me lean cubs 3P actually. Which means I’m even more suspicious of MJ.

Nothing solid though

 

[Cyndia]

Ah, makes sense. I was going to put my vote on him anyway once I caught up (lol it didn't happen and I think it's a lost cause)

I should probably find the tally because if everyone's already piled onto it then I might as well try to place my vote on another scum read because I think we've been focusing too much on individual people the past few yeets

Oddly enough, people seem to have just accepted what he said and don’t seem interested in voting there which is confusing to me.

…But I do agree the singular focus on people has likely made our day cycles less useful recently. I don’t know how much of it was because of a holiday weekend too though.

 

[Cyndia]

@Mad Jack still curious about your plans on the banana night.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Oddly enough, people seem to have just accepted what he said and don’t seem interested in voting there which is confusing to me.

…But I do agree the singular focus on people has likely made our day cycles less useful recently. I don’t know how much of it was because of a holiday weekend too though.

Huh. I thought I saw multiple people eagerly placing votes on him but I haven't seen the tally

 

[Aprilthearab]

Oh. Only two votes. Then in that case

Yeet MJ

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I don’t know if I missed this somewhere, but did shorty ever share who she seered/jailed? Or did anyone ever claim getting jailed?

I was jailed N2 I believe. Prevented me from using the item I'd won.

@Mad Jack still curious about your plans on the banana night.

I love this post.

 

[IvyMoose]

No I’m not a convert. Or an OG.

If Samac and I are at the top of your list, that’s a weird list.

top of list for converts. idk how conversion works, but i imagine it doesn't affect PR (someone correct me if i am wrong). nonetheless, both of you have been vocal, so having strong players in the faction seems like a good deal.

Ivy has been playing erratically and irrationally all game but this is. Odd.

idk what "this is. Odd" is in reference to... what post/posts? and maybe erratic and irrational is how i play in general idk, it was true for my last game

You think I’m a convert and was the second vote on my packmate, worked with alley to take paws down, and didn’t give her a heads up she was going to get caught in a lie?

who said anything about being in the same pack? i thought we were discussing more than one faction like MJ said?

I don’t see it. What in their play has made you think this?

I think its based on that both samac and zenge are reading you (barks) the same, when before i didn't see that. further, zenge had you in POE and now is pro village-ing you. based off one day of posts. sure that can swing some people into village, but the evidence, imo, doesn't support that evaluation. I guess I can also ask @samac why do you think barks is not worthy of our yeet yet? Plus both samac and zenge are very vocal players, so I think they both bring great assets to a faction if they were to convert, hence why i think they are on the top of list to be converted (like how i imagine shorty was on the top of the list to be converted too).

I wouldn't be surprised if Shorty wanted me out of the game given I'm literally one of the few players that will EVER question her Aff, and wake up guys, she had her own wincon.

This is what I'm trying to tell you about "neutrals" with their own wincon. They are NOT just like the ones in Bioshock that can win with either side. We don't know if Shorty's wincon was even inclusive still.

When you are village, you may not decide to get another suspected villager yeeted because they're making noise about you, because theoretically both your lives count towards your wincon.

But in this instance, I could just have represented to Shorty a danger to her wincon. Ergo, I would need to go, and why would she have to care that I'm village? Because she's playing village-sided? No.

Even if she decided to play village sided, that doesn't mean she wouldn't be willing to get yeeted off a villager that might stand in her way to winning.

Not if that villager might stand in the way of that wincon.

Now if she had her own wincon and decided it didn't matter as much as being nice to village, that would actually be a truly crappy way to play. People should be working to their wincon, because mods put these roles and these wincons in for a reason, it affects game balance, and it makes a multiball game less interesting if everyone decides they are just gonna say eff it and not work to the wincon. Which is infuriating for other people trying to work towards theirs, including scum hunting villagers.

All this to say, I would expect Shorty to be working to her wincon, and any anti-scum villagers be damned.

I could be wrong. But I will not be trusting any scum in the game until I have mod-provided info that they are inclusive.

see posts like these i think other people are taking as wolfy, but i see it as someone who wants to make sure people understand the nature of neutral/3p (is there a difference i have no idea)

Neutral in my book does always mean the player can win with whomever as long as the specific wincon is met. It does not mean the wincon is innocuous. It just means they won't win alone.


Hope that helps.

so i feel like this validates cray's argument...? against what everyone seems to be saying? like yes its inclusive, but it may be harmful. I agree that shorty's play made it seem like her wincon associated with village wincon, but it says where that they can win with whomever... maybe it can be harmful to both, either, or neither village/wolf?

I was just trying to get you misyeeted
I don’t know that I was angry lol

But imma do this
Yeet ivy

not your best idea. but wdym you were trying to "get you (cray?) misyeeted"?

Edit: added reasons for barks question

 

[Barkley13]

top of list for converts. idk how conversion works, but i imagine it doesn't affect PR (someone correct me if i am wrong). nonetheless, both of you have been vocal, so having strong players in the faction seems like a good deal.

idk what "this is. Odd" is in reference to... what post/posts? and maybe erratic and irrational is how i play in general idk, it was true for my last game

who said anything about being in the same pack? i thought we were discussing more than one faction like MJ said?



see posts like these i think other people are taking as wolfy, but i see it as someone who wants to make sure people understand the nature of neutral/3p (is there a difference i have no idea)

so i feel like this validates cray's argument...? against what everyone seems to be saying? like yes its inclusive, but it may be harmful. I agree that shorty's play made it seem like her wincon associated with village wincon, but it says where that they can win with whomever... maybe it can be harmful to both, either, or neither village/wolf?

not your best idea. but wdym you were trying to "get you (cray?) misyeeted"?

You quoted my question but didn’t answer it 🤔

 

[IvyMoose]

My trying to read Barks has been an adventure and a roller coaster for sure. I wouldn’t say I’m good at reading her.

In general I’m reading this recent posts from yesterday and I feel like I can see them coming from a pro village game solving mindset.

as for these posts, i don't see them leaning her village... i agree that she is reading, but the reads themselves aren't substantial imo. idk maybe people can say the same for me. But I will say barks>cray for actually providing a reads list (even if it excluded village)

 

[IvyMoose]

You quoted my question but didn’t answer it 🤔

sorry i skipped over it i will answer it now. i'll edit the orig post

 

[samac]

I just went back and looked through some old MJ games. I can’t find him swearing on anything.
I can find him saying similar stuff when he goes down as a wolf to here

Spoiler

Hell, just seer me tonight if you want proof, my god.

Me being a wolf wouldn't make sense- the first person I started a convo with was LIS on night 1, who could passively seer people that interacted with him. 1- he didn't say a damn thing about me being a wolf or wolfy in the thread the next day, 2- he trusted me, and 3- why would I kill a person that trusted me and whose seering ability could easily be avoided if I were a wolf? It would just be stupid.

That would be the dumbest wolf strategy ever. This is why I hate playing with noobs, they don't understand the game at all. It's like we're playing chess but you're trying to use the rules of checkers.

Village misyeet:

Spoiler

It's okay. Lynching me just takes away one of my few pleasurable distractions, leaving me with little to keep me from the tedious, drudgery-laden mess that is my life.

I'm a villager though, promise.

I always play the same villager or wolf. I really don't think I'm going to convince you guys of anything, so I'll just save my breath.
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Enjoy your lynch I guess.

There's very rarely a game that doesn't have 1-2 vanillagers, I find your idea that no vanillagers exist to be suspect. And it won't really matter, this is too deep in to really matter. I just hope that all of this talking will give you guys enough evidence to sort out which of the people that were supporting me/throwing me under the bus might have been a wolf once you see that I rolled vanillager.

Coming outright and saying your role when you're a vanillager carries no potential of loss, hence why I just did it. I've got no cards to hold, just an alignment.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

not your best idea. but wdym you were trying to "get you (cray?) misyeeted"?

I believe samac was talking to Ace in reference to a past game where samac was wolfing.

 

[samac]

top of list for converts. idk how conversion works, but i imagine it doesn't affect PR (someone correct me if i am wrong). nonetheless, both of you have been vocal, so having strong players in the faction seems like a good deal.

idk what "this is. Odd" is in reference to... what post/posts? and maybe erratic and irrational is how i play in general idk, it was true for my last game

who said anything about being in the same pack? i thought we were discussing more than one faction like MJ said?

I think its based on that both samac and zenge are reading you (barks) the same, when before i didn't see that. further, zenge had you in POE and now is pro village-ing you. based off one day of posts. sure that can swing some people into village, but the evidence, imo, doesn't support that evaluation. I guess I can also ask @samac why do you think barks is not worthy of our yeet yet? Plus both samac and zenge are very vocal players, so I think they both bring great assets to a faction if they were to convert, hence why i think they are on the top of list to be converted (like how i imagine shorty was on the top of the list to be converted too).

see posts like these i think other people are taking as wolfy, but i see it as someone who wants to make sure people understand the nature of neutral/3p (is there a difference i have no idea)

so i feel like this validates cray's argument...? against what everyone seems to be saying? like yes its inclusive, but it may be harmful. I agree that shorty's play made it seem like her wincon associated with village wincon, but it says where that they can win with whomever... maybe it can be harmful to both, either, or neither village/wolf?

not your best idea. but wdym you were trying to "get you (cray?) misyeeted"?

Edit: added reasons for barks question

PSV is correct, I was referring to trying to kisyeet Ace in supernatural.
You think Zenge has been vocal this game?
I mean, I’m always vocal. But zenge?

 

[Viscernable]

As often happens when you bring people together for a game of deception, fights broke out during the night. Some can get into these altercations and walk away friends.

Okay here’s what I thought of at seeing lost -> found wolf. I was thinking we could look at “who might Paws have tried killing the night she found the pack” as a clue, but doesn’t seem to have worked that way because this was an odd night and Paws killed on evens. Maybe it means the main pack tried to kill her and that led to her being found, so who might have targeted Paws? Unless lost wolves usually have an action of investigating someone as the pack and I’m totally misunderstanding how they’re found, lol.

 

[Viscernable]

I thought Ivy was genuinely saying that the PMs did not go down the way the "stumps" are claiming, which I wouldn't be surprised they are lying. Or she was saying that to try to get some mild sus camo on herself.

@IvyMoose can you clarify?

Wait but how would she know what PMs the stumps got?

 

[SportPonies]

I just went back and looked through some old MJ games. I can’t find him swearing on anything.
I can find him saying similar stuff when he goes down as a wolf to here

Village misyeet:

Yeah the bolded is what made my brain tingle with his posts last night

 

[samac]

Okay here’s what I thought of at seeing lost -> found wolf. I was thinking we could look at “who might Paws have tried killing the night she found the pack” as a clue, but doesn’t seem to have worked that way because this was an odd night and Paws killed on evens. Maybe it means the main pack tried to kill her and that led to her being found, so who might have targeted Paws? Unless lost wolves usually have an action of investigating someone as the pack and I’m totally misunderstanding how they’re found, lol.

I assumed they were told theirs a lost wolf and can make a guess each night to try and find them.
I’ve never been in a wolf pack in a game with a lost wolf though so those are wild assumptions.

 

[Doctor-S]

She seered me and mkg.

I'm wondering about cubs ... and his dialogues with other players.

I didn't know shorty said that she had already seered you and mkg?

Are you able to clarify this information for me?

You said nothing of that, you claimed you were "unseerable" or something of that nature unrelated to his actual ability.

This argument makes no sense, cubs. Mel's ability wasn't seering, so it should have worked even if she's unseerable. And Mel said on thread that he'd acted on her.

No samac bring up the fact that she is "unseerable" makes no sense in the context of what we actually know about Mels ability now. Thats what Im pointing out, has nothing to do with her being domesticated or not by Mel.

You’re not keeping up cubbie.

He said he checked me because he was paranoid and he knows I’m village.
I said he couldn’t know that because im unseerable and was a little confused on why he lied.
Turned out he was a 3P domesticator so using his ability on me he knew I was at least inclusive at that point. I didn’t get it until his flip.

But Sporty is saying you converted me, why you are you stoking the flames and not letting people get paranoid lol

No, this still makes no sense, because she brought that up before Mel flipped, and Mel made it sound like his ability was a 3p-seering role.

She seered me and mkg.

I don’t know if I missed this somewhere, but did shorty ever share who she seered/jailed? Or did anyone ever claim getting jailed?

Since I'm still feeling uneasy about MJ, and that's been a problem for me. So, maybe ...

unyeet cray
yeet MJ

 

[Viscernable]

How about everyone from "I'm mainly wary of other for being scum" except Ivy was sort of a toss in thought at the end and not a scum read.

Are you that desperate to throw sus on me?

I think you think your reads were clearer from the outside than they are. All the people besides Ivy, shorty, samac, PSV, MJ, Sporty seem like a pile of “idk, I feel uneasy about them”. Could you please order/group them roughly if you haven’t since?

 

[samac]

I'm wondering about cubs ... and his dialogues with other players.

I didn't know shorty said that she had already seered you and mkg?

Are you able to clarify this information for me?

















Since I'm still feeling uneasy about MJ, and that's been a problem for me. So, maybe ...

unyeet cray
yeet MJ

I guess I should say she attempted to seer me, N1.
and mkg night 3. No it’s not on thread because it was just a discussion in PMs through mkg as an intermediary.

 

[dolphin106258]

I wouldn't be surprised if Shorty wanted me out of the game given I'm literally one of the few players that will EVER question her Aff, and wake up guys, she had her own wincon.

This is what I'm trying to tell you about "neutrals" with their own wincon. They are NOT just like the ones in Bioshock that can win with either side. We don't know if Shorty's wincon was even inclusive still.

When you are village, you may not decide to get another suspected villager yeeted because they're making noise about you, because theoretically both your lives count towards your wincon.

But in this instance, I could just have represented to Shorty a danger to her wincon. Ergo, I would need to go, and why would she have to care that I'm village? Because she's playing village-sided? No.

Even if she decided to play village sided, that doesn't mean she wouldn't be willing to get yeeted off a villager that might stand in her way to winning.

Not if that villager might stand in the way of that wincon.

Now if she had her own wincon and decided it didn't matter as much as being nice to village, that would actually be a truly crappy way to play. People should be working to their wincon, because mods put these roles and these wincons in for a reason, it affects game balance, and it makes a multiball game less interesting if everyone decides they are just gonna say eff it and not work to the wincon. Which is infuriating for other people trying to work towards theirs, including scum hunting villagers.

All this to say, I would expect Shorty to be working to her wincon, and any anti-scum villagers be damned.

I could be wrong. But I will not be trusting any scum in the game until I have mod-provided info that they are inclusive.

SHE WAS NEUTRAL. THAT IS YOUR MOD CONFIRMED INFORMATION ITS INCLUSIVE.
WHILE HER WINCON ISNT JUST A SURVIVOR HER WINNING WOULD NOT MAKE VILLAGE LOSE. THE MODS WILL NOT DEFINE NEUTRAL IN THAT WAY.

you’re talking about being infuriated her playing village sided in the same breath.
What’s it matter at this point? She’s dead. We can move on.
This is entirely like Bioshock.
And I think you’re wolfing for it.

Lol well this was interesting. I am gonna be so mad if I’m wrong. But this just doesn’t make me think Cray is a wolf..

Okay here’s what I thought of at seeing lost -> found wolf. I was thinking we could look at “who might Paws have tried killing the night she found the pack” as a clue, but doesn’t seem to have worked that way because this was an odd night and Paws killed on evens. Maybe it means the main pack tried to kill her and that led to her being found, so who might have targeted Paws? Unless lost wolves usually have an action of investigating someone as the pack and I’m totally misunderstanding how they’re found, lol.

I assumed it was like paws was not in the OG wolf chat and had to figure out who they were or vice Versa they had to find her. Idk about the killing her part. But regardless I don’t know what it really helps to know that info except for just game theory funsies.

 

[samac]

Lol well this was interesting. I am gonna be so mad if I’m wrong. But this just doesn’t make me think Cray is a wolf..

I assumed it was like paws was not in the OG wolf chat and had to figure out who they were or vice Versa they had to find her. Idk about the killing her part. But regardless I don’t know what it really helps to know that info except for just game theory funsies.

I wouldn’t use the neutral discussion to move cray more village, we had the same argument in bioshock and she was alpha. Might not be the case here but feels like deja vu.

 

[IvyMoose]

I just went back and looked through some old MJ games. I can’t find him swearing on anything.
I can find him saying similar stuff when he goes down as a wolf to here

Village misyeet:

I found three, easily. where were you looking??

Spoiler: Mad Jack swearing on stuff

So, here's the deal- I'm the last of my pack of wolves. That much, I swear to you. It was me, TP, and FS. FS could convert, TP could role seer and got an extra kill every 3 nights. The reason you guys are all so damn wrong, isn't because you're lynching me because I'm not a wolf. It's because literally everything you've used to base killing me off of was BS. After the rest of my pack died, I figured I'd try out a novel strategy- I'd kill no one, and try to blend in as a village seer. I made ONE exception to that strategy, and that was DVMD, whom I not only killed but used the torture tools on while doing it, because if I'm going to get my hands dirty, I may as well have some fun. I was trying to figure out who Kata's lackey was, because I figured if I could throw them under the bus and get them both lynched and killed, it'd win me mad cred and hopefully carry me through to endgame. Unfortunately, we never got kata's lackey.

So that's my help for both sides. Other wolfpack, you've got my seering info. Villagers, you've got my info on what kills were mine so you can figure out who the hell might be wolf pack #2's little *****. Try and lynch kata tomorrow so that you'll know I'm not full of **** and she is an alpha if you want. You'll be wasting what little time you've got left, but you guys have some room for error- I know for a fact there's only two of them, and you know who one is, so it's just a process of elimination from there.

Good luck everyone. I don't care who wins. I just wanted to shake things up for both sides before I go down.

I seered pippy night one because they were the only person I was in contact with. I can seer ability OR role, not both. I hate that I feel this much responsibility for a stupid game right now. Mods, can you just close and let me leave in peace, there's no flipping this lynch and I don't want my WW problem to be interfering with my real life right now. I didn't expect this to happen, and I'm sorry to let you guys down.

I swear to god I'm a villager seer guys. That's all I've got.

I didn't lie, I swear that was a legitimate misunderstanding

The only problem is, the old games aren't written up like the new games and its difficult to figure out if MJ is telling the truth or not.

 

[Dinashadow]

There are some minor things that have bothered me with Barks, but I don’t think I’m interested in a Barks yeet today.

Some of her posts strike me as more village and I feel like her game solving efforts are legitimate.

I think there’s better options to explore today.

Agreed

Sorry @Dinashadow for commenting on your Facebook post. Clementine looked awesome!!

Omg don't apologize. I get my lifeblood from people commenting nice things about my dogs lol

Any mod confirmed info? No
The parallels between bioshock wolf cray and this current play? Wolfy.

Also agree, but feel similar to not wasting a cycle voting for her if she's not planning on coming back

Ya know who I haven’t thought about a lot?
Sunny.
How’s people feeling about her?

Honestly, I haven't seen anything to make me go one way

I get the cray suspicion and I’d be willing to look hard at her next, but why are people taking what MJ said at face value? He’s admitted to being non village? So who knows if he’s 3p or wolf or if any of what he said is accurate. Even if he’s a neutral, we’ve had one neutral with a win condition of some sort (shorty) so easily possible he could have a win condition too.

I'm not buying any of it and will probably put my vote there if not cray. I would never trust MJ in WW. I still think there was something weird about the N1 vote thing too.

****************
Yes, and if you’ll notice a vote from me for myself was on the board at some point, but I never made a bolded vote post. So that was someone else.
*****************

Place a vote on thread cubbie

 

[IvyMoose]

PSV is correct, I was referring to trying to kisyeet Ace in supernatural.
You think Zenge has been vocal this game?
I mean, I’m always vocal. But zenge?

more vocal not in terms of posts but in terms of reading, at least in my mind. I could be wrong. Three less pages of posts than PSV in case that matters.

ETA: "in case that matters"

 

[samac]

I found three, easily. where were you looking??
The only problem is, the old games aren't written up like the new games and its difficult to figure out if MJ is telling the truth or not.

What the actual ****
Did you have those locked and loaded?
I wasn’t looking for swearing, I was looking for how he acts when he’s wolfing vs villaging.

What do you mean the old games aren’t written up like the new games?

 

[Dinashadow]

I just went back and looked through some old MJ games. I can’t find him swearing on anything.
I can find him saying similar stuff when he goes down as a wolf to here

The first WW game I totted was the dogs game. I can't remember what his fake claim was but the mods decided to do a fake write-up with it. I don't know if he swore on anything, but it left an impression on noob me

Lol well this was interesting. I am gonna be so mad if I’m wrong. But this just doesn’t make me think Cray is a wolf..

What does it make you think?

 

[samac]

So, here's the deal- I'm the last of my pack of wolves. That much, I swear to you. It was me, TP, and FS. FS could convert, TP could role seer and got an extra kill every 3 nights. The reason you guys are all so damn wrong, isn't because you're lynching me because I'm not a wolf. It's because literally everything you've used to base killing me off of was BS. After the rest of my pack died, I figured I'd try out a novel strategy- I'd kill no one, and try to blend in as a village seer. I made ONE exception to that strategy, and that was DVMD, whom I not only killed but used the torture tools on while doing it, because if I'm going to get my hands dirty, I may as well have some fun. I was trying to figure out who Kata's lackey was, because I figured if I could throw them under the bus and get them both lynched and killed, it'd win me mad cred and hopefully carry me through to endgame. Unfortunately, we never got kata's lackey.

So that's my help for both sides. Other wolfpack, you've got my seering info. Villagers, you've got my info on what kills were mine so you can figure out who the hell might be wolf pack #2's little *****. Try and lynch kata tomorrow so that you'll know I'm not full of **** and she is an alpha if you want. You'll be wasting what little time you've got left, but you guys have some room for error- I know for a fact there's only two of them, and you know who one is, so it's just a process of elimination from there.

Good luck everyone. I don't care who wins. I just wanted to shake things up for both sides before I go down.

Oh this post? ^^^^ there was a 4th wolf.

It was kata, interestingly. But there was another faction of 2 from what I can see.

 

[IvyMoose]

What the actual ****
Did you have those locked and loaded?
I wasn’t looking for swearing, I was looking for how he acts when he’s wolfing vs villaging.

What do you mean the old games aren’t written up like the new games?

i looked up "swear" on the pre-vet form under the user Mad Jack... found it easily. But you explicitly mentioned in your post that you didn't find anything on him swearing... so why include that?
And the old games aren't written up like new ones with death totals at the end of the day saying explicitly their role, and no big write-up at the end (unless that big write-up was a noob game thing). The only thing i found was that, when MJ swears he was last in his pack, he meant that, but i think he left out info saying there was more than one pack or something. so take his swears with a grain of salt (like we have since we think he is 3p).

 

[IvyMoose]

Oh this post? ^^^^ there was a 4th wolf.

It was kata, interestingly. But there was another faction of 2 from what I can see.

saw this. so his swear was truthful. he just left out an tidbit of info. just like we suspect in his other swears when he swears "I am not a wolf"... 3p is the next thing on my mind

 

[Zenge142]

I found three, easily. where were you looking??
The only problem is, the old games aren't written up like the new games and its difficult to figure out if MJ is telling the truth or not.

I feel like these are two examples of him saying the words “I swear” but it’s by no means similar to what happened this game.

I am religiously obligated to not lie when taking oaths. If that means nothing to you then I'm sorry you have nothing you believe in. I have *never* lied under oath during a game or otherwise

It’s not really fair to compare this here to more causally saying things like “I swear that was a misunderstanding”.

 

[IvyMoose]

I feel like these are two examples of him saying the words “I swear” but it’s by no means similar to what happened this game.



It’s not really fair to compare this here to more causally saying things like “I swear that was a misunderstanding”.

i think it is fair... because he has used "i swear" in this thread, and when we pushed him (rightfully so), he pulled out his religion.

Look, I think cray, barks, and MJ are all wolf/3p/something not village... i think a vote for any of them is on track to yeeting out non-villagers. but i just think barks is more wolfy than either cray or MJ.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 6: What’s In a Cat's Hat Tally

MJ (4) - Cyndia, Sporty, April, Doc-S
Barks (1) - Ivy
Cray (4) - ?, Barks, Zenge, violet
cubs (2) - cubs, alley
Cyndia (1) - PSV
Ivy (1) - samac

12/19

leading: @Crayola227 & @Mad Jack
missing: a fair few

Vote closes at 10pm EDT/9pm CDT/8pm MDT/7pm Fantasyland, TOMORROW, 6/1/22 (~1,625 MINUTES)

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D6 Silent Auction ~ closes at 10am EDT 6/1/22 (~15.25 hours)

 

[IvyMoose]

also, why have we not been like actively investigating the paws-wolf interaction on the D5 write-up? like we should be looking for when night kills stopped (seemed like N2). so who was inadvertently working with paws? did i miss this convo? The only convo i saw was about punctuation

 

[samac]

i looked up "swear" on the pre-vet form under the user Mad Jack... found it easily. But you explicitly mentioned in your post that you didn't find anything on him swearing... so why include that?
And the old games aren't written up like new ones with death totals at the end of the day saying explicitly their role, and no big write-up at the end (unless that big write-up was a noob game thing). The only thing i found was that, when MJ swears he was last in his pack, he meant that, but i think he left out info saying there was more than one pack or something. so take his swears with a grain of salt (like we have since we think he is 3p).

He said there was more than 1 pack, but there were 4 wolves and the others flipped another color.

saw this. so his swear was truthful. he just left out an tidbit of info. just like we suspect in his other swears when he swears "I am not a wolf"... 3p is the next thing on my mind

From what I can tell he wasn’t the last wolf and knew that though, that would make the “I swear that I’m the last of my pack” but it doesn’t look like he was?

I agree with cray and MJ both being non village. I don’t feel that barks is the way to go at this time, I’m willing to revisit that if my higher priorities flip village.

 

[Viscernable]

Also, if the "stumps" do represent some actual something besides a stump, and the write ups are NOT calling them stumps, then I think it would be massively unfair to have dead flipped players you CAN'T tell from whatever these other kind of dead players are, either by mod provided info (they're written as dead), and if mods aren't going to say and we HAVE to rely on the not-so-dead-they-cant-post-strategy to post as the only clue, then I would expect mods to have a rule they have to post at least once. Or couldn't anyone just pretend to be really dead instead of mystery stump, when they are a mystery stump?

Why would it be unfair? If necromancer puppets or converted stumps or whatever, the only thing we could do about them is ignore them. They make our job pretty damn easy if they choose not to post.

 

[dolphin106258]

The first WW game I totted was the dogs game. I can't remember what his fake claim was but the mods decided to do a fake write-up with it. I don't know if he swore on anything, but it left an impression on noob me



What does it make you think?

No one obviously agrees with me but village. But I am usually disastrous at reading Cray so who knows. Kind of par for the course I disagree with the consensus.

But also I do have a terrible time with MJ as well which is why I have almost avoided looking back through his posts but for the moment since I am battling a migraine I will..

Vote MJ

This is mostly based off of the fact to him literally saying he’s not village but also not a wolf but he can help us, and idk maybe he can but I want to say there was a game where AM was outted as 3p and said she could win with us and we took her to the end and she had her own win thing. But she won like on her own I don’t think village technically won, but I don’t claim to have the best memories of old games so I’m not even sure which one that was

 

[cubsrule4e]

Agreed



Omg don't apologize. I get my lifeblood from people commenting nice things about my dogs lol



Also agree, but feel similar to not wasting a cycle voting for her if she's not planning on coming back



Honestly, I haven't seen anything to make me go one way



I'm not buying any of it and will probably put my vote there if not cray. I would never trust MJ in WW. I still think there was something weird about the N1 vote thing too.



Place a vote on thread cubbie

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vote D-shade
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[dolphin106258]

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vote D-shade
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Lol I thought you meant me for a second but I see that’s dina lol

 

[dolphin106258]

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vote D-shade
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Also you and stars really makes me want to vote you…

 

[dolphin106258]

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vote D-shade
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You realize you’re like the epitome of sketchy and then this just sketchifies you even more

 

[cubsrule4e]

You realize you’re like the epitome of sketchy and then this just sketchifies you even more

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If its worth anything, that vote wont count, Dina just asking me to prove what Ive been saying.

Effing stars.
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[Viscernable]

I also noticed his absence but this feels like a convenient way to draw thread attention to a likely villager

Agreed.

I’ve found it hard to see Barks as wolfy given just how vastly different she sounds than the game I played with wolf!Barks, but this comment is bugging me. Seeing how low she is in many reads lists has me torn, I feel like I’m missing something but then that feeling makes me feel like I’m just giving in to groupthink

 

[Zenge142]

Effing stars.

Spoiler

 

[Viscernable]

Is there an example of this? They still show up as dead on the roster. We just call them stumps because “dead players who can still post in stars but can’t vote” is a mouthful.

Honestly I share the concern, every other Dubz game with stumps had the stumping announced in writeup. I think there must be something else going on. Not necessarily sinister and I don’t see anything we can do about it, but yeah I’m not counting these stumps as AM-style innocent children