2019-2020 Mt. Sinai (Icahn)

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NYC Power Couple’s Butler: Swedish Teen Told Me of Epstein Island Horrors

Rinaldo Rizzo testified about a girl he met at the home of his employers, Glenn and Eva Dubin.
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“Gratitude America also donated $10,000 to the Icahn School of Medicine at Mt. Sinai, where Celina Dubin is a medical student.”

If this is confirmed, Gratitude America is Epstein’s secret “charity”. 1) This is kinda ridiculous and though not unsurprising. 2) Only $10,000? Cmon Sinai, if you’re going to take this dirty money and accept someone who got in at least partly through nepotism (I can’t comment on her skills or competency but it’s undeniable that nepotism played a role), at LEAST get more than 10k! That’s a fraction of a student’s tuition!
 
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We found Jeffrey Epstein's social-media accounts. On Spotify, his tastes ranged from Louis C.K. to songs like 'Before You Accuse Me' and 'Hot for Teacher.'

Sex offenders are allowed to use social media, per a Supreme Court ruling. New York requires offenders to submit accounts to the state's registry.
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"That same year, when Epstein wanted to contribute to Eva Dubin's breast-cancer organization, he understood that a public donation from a registered sex offender might not be welcome, Business Insider previously reported. She established a new nonprofit, called the Celina Dubin United Fund, to receive $50,000 from Epstein and donate to her and other medical organizations."

Mount Sinai was accepting money from a convicted pedophile that had been funneled through the name of a student. The rampant corruption, nepotism, and disregard for morals is vile.

Despite blatant displays of pedophilia and what boils down to money laundering, the ultra rich still have solidarity. But do we? It begs repeating, WITHDRAW YOUR APPLICATION. Tell the admissions committee your concerns. Current students, demand an explanation and a plan to rectify this pervasive willingness to engage with predators. Blast this over social media. Tell your friend that are applying so they too can demand action. We are the next generation of physicians and we cannot allow this to moral rot continue in medicine. Prremeds, we have to stand together on this one and take action.
 
medschoolthrowaway2020 said:
I made a throwaway account for this post, because I am an active member of the community and I did not want to be doxxed. That is to say, this post is not a troll. I really care about you all and I want you to be armed with as much information as possible.

I know there are a lot of posts on here about how Mount Sinai is getting a lot of bad press but there is one thing that no one is talking about. One of their physicians has been credibly accused of sex trafficking minors out of her home. Dr. Eva Andersson Dubin’s butler testified under oath that in Dr. Dubin’s home he met a 15 year old girl that had her passport stolen, had been transported internationally, and had been drugged and assaulted. *trigger warning* the chilling testimony is on page 8 of this document https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Giuffre-unseal.pdf) Worse, Dr. Dubin is more than just a physician at Mount Sinai. Her and her billionaire husband donated the Dubin Breast Center of the Tisch Cancer Institute at the Mount Sinai Medical Center where Dr. Dubin reportedly sees patients. As far as I can tell, Mount Sinai is still allowing this woman to practice medicine in their clinics. It is absolutely sickening that someone who has been credibly accused of trafficking a 15 year old girl has been branded as a champion for women’s health. Once again, this institution has placed wealth, power, and prestige over basic human decency. It perpetuates a culture that allows apparent predators to reach utmost power, Dr. Dubin and David Newman alike. I know the SDN community so I know that this belief system is antithetical to everyone on this website. And I know you are going into medicine because you deeply care about the health of your community. For that reason, I challenge you to hold Mount Sinai accountable. Rescind you application and send an email or letter to admissions explaining your decision. Call for the resignation of Dr. Dubin and demand that Mount Sinai no longer takes money from those that are credibly accused of trafficking children. Request an investigation into the culture of this community and demand a plan of action to ensure that no more predators make it to the top ranks of this institution. Take to social media and empower your community with this information. Go to your interview and request an explanation for their affiliation with Dr. Eva Andersson Dubin, an explanation for their failings in the past, and most importantly, ask them how they are going to fix it. Current students, demand more from your administration. Silence and sweeping under the rug from those in charge is not enough. Make your voice and moral standards heard.

I know that we are all desperate to go to medical school and Mount Sinai is a name that holds prestige and perceived opportunities, but enough is enough. When there is so much evidence that an institution will place profits and power over humanity, to stand by idly and attempt to join their ranks is tacit complicity.

I have more supporting articles for all that I wrote and can provide, but if anyone believes this post if false or written in bad faith I encourage to google Dr. Eva Andersson Dubin and see what you find. The evidence is both chilling and damning.
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Are you withdrawing your application? If you interviewed, did you bring those concerns to their attention? If you feel that strongly and have that much evidence, why don’t you bring that to the appropriate parties for them to conduct an investigation? I appreciate you sharing your perspective, but students asking questions during an interview or withdrawing from the process would not fix the situation. I believe going in and working towards creating the right work environment is the way to go. If you want change, be that agent! Also, is there a difference between the hospital & the college of medicine?
 
Msh66 said:
Are you withdrawing your application? If you interviewed, did you bring those concerns to their attention? If you feel that strongly and have that much evidence, why don’t you bring that to the appropriate parties for them to conduct an investigation? I appreciate you sharing your perspective, but students asking questions during an interview or withdrawing from the process would not fix the situation. I believe going in and working towards creating the right work environment is the way to go. If you want change, be that agent! Also, is there a difference between the hospital & the college of medicine?
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I am withdrawing my application and I’m in the process of writing the office of admissions so they can hopefully address these concerns in the future. I did not interview. I’m not sure what you mean by appropriate parties. The only parties I, and the other applicants, have access to is admissions. Which is why I have encouraged people to withdraw and explain why. I also encouraged current students to bring this to the attention of their administrators. I have no access to Mount Sinai executives. If you mean legal authorities, there are currently three open investigations into Epstein and his coconspirators. Surely me handing them business insider clippings won’t help their efforts. I am taking the actions I can and I am writing so other applicants have information and can take action to the appropriate parties as well. I don’t think there is a significant difference between the hospital and the college of medicine when we have shown that a student of the college of medicine is tangled in this whole mess. More so, students are expected to train at the hospital. The two are inextricable.
I think the part where I disagree with you is where you suggest that asking hard questions of the administration or withdrawing would not help. I truly believe that collective action, protesting, and solidarity are the only way big changes are made. If every person that was disgusted by Dr. Dubin and the other problems at hand took a stand in writing or in person, if every current student demanded an explanation, if the public demanded an explanation, there would be a moment of reckoning. What I’m asking for on through these posts is for my fellow SDNers to join me in an act of protest. If you applied the logic that these acts do not matter to any other major issue (gun control, climate change, women’s suffrage, lgbt rights) then the natural conclusion that there no point in protesting at all. But we know from history a handful of angry people can turn into a lot of angry people which can turn into change.
If you do not feel that these transgressions rises to an unacceptable level of moral corruption, then keep your name in the running. That is your choice to make.
 
Msh66 said:
Are you withdrawing your application? If you interviewed, did you bring those concerns to their attention? If you feel that strongly and have that much evidence, why don’t you bring that to the appropriate parties for them to conduct an investigation? I appreciate you sharing your perspective, but students asking questions during an interview or withdrawing from the process would not fix the situation. I believe going in and working towards creating the right work environment is the way to go. If you want change, be that agent! Also, is there a difference between the hospital & the college of medicine?
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Lol. Did you not think this through? You’re telling current applicants to spend 80k a year to attend an institution which has ethical problems in order to protest against their own medical school...even though they knew it wasn’t good in the first place!
 
Msh66 said:
Are you withdrawing your application? If you interviewed, did you bring those concerns to their attention? If you feel that strongly and have that much evidence, why don’t you bring that to the appropriate parties for them to conduct an investigation? I appreciate you sharing your perspective, but students asking questions during an interview or withdrawing from the process would not fix the situation. I believe going in and working towards creating the right work environment is the way to go. If you want change, be that agent! Also, is there a difference between the hospital & the college of medicine?
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Don’t you think it’s unfair to pin being the agent of change on one applicant? I understand the sentiment behind what you’re saying, and I feel that this is a broader, institutional issue that needs to be addressed by people with more power in the institution than a student or applicant.
 
scintillating said:
Don’t you think it’s unfair to pin being the agent of change on one applicant? I understand the sentiment behind what you’re saying, and I feel that this is a broader, institutional issue that needs to be addressed by people with more power in the institution than a student or applicant.
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"You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
The revolution will not be televised."

If you don't want to take the moral high ground, that's fine. But don't cop out like that. What's happening isn't "fair" for patients, or many others. Have some backbone if you want to give a dissenting opinion.

For example I, for one, will not be taking the moral high ground. I'd go here if it's my best option. There does need to be change, but that's not a battle I'm willing to engage in.That's something that will be easiest if it come from the top, since the rest will naturally fall in line. Creating change from the bottom is possible, but it's like trying to drift against the current.

Best of luck to you. I'm staying in the running.
 
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With all due respect, it’s easier for someone with 13 II’s and 4 acceptances to withdraw than someone who maybe has no acceptances and only an invite or so.

Dont equate not withdrawing with being complicit. We are APPLICANTS. No one gives a **** what we think. We have no power. Get your MD and become an agent for change.

I couldn’t care less about web activism.
 
quick suggestion/comment on the discussion above:

everyone is entitled to have their views about Sinai given the situation & circumstances. whether or not you are withdrawing, your only right as an applicant/current student/etc is to give your thoughts and allow others to make their own decisions. don't turn a thread into a battleground because you disagree with someone's decisions. and again, that is directed to people both withdrawing, and not withdrawing.

best of luck to anyone still applying and best of luck with other schools to anyone withdrawing!
 
blurb_123 said:
With all due respect, it’s easier for someone with 13 II’s and 4 acceptances to withdraw than someone who maybe has no acceptances and only an invite or so.
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If you mean me, maybe my final paragraph wasn't clear enough. (I added a 1 sentence blurb at the very end to rectify that.) I'm not withdrawing. That's a problem for leadership, and whoever else wants to get involved. Not me.
 
I just want to point out that Sinai redirected all of the donations from Epstein to their Sexual Assault and Violence Intervention Program earlier this year. I don't think that erases everything else being said here, but just felt it was relevant information to add to the conversation.
 
Reminder that anyone can lie on the internet about withdrawing.

Also, Mt. Sinai is a massive healthcare system, and that the politics and controversy of its philanthropy and big donors/ a few individuals involved with the larger system are not going to impact your experience as a student/ the school of medicine in general.
 
SleazySalesMed said:
If you mean me, maybe my final paragraph wasn't clear enough. (I added a 1 sentence blurb at the very end to rectify that.) I'm not withdrawing. That's a problem for leadership, and whoever else wants to get involved. Not me.
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I misread. That's my bad.

My overall point still stands.

I have an interview here and will be happy to attend. It's an excellent school and I've worked with excellent residents from there.
 
NYmed24 said:
I just want to point out that Sinai redirected all of the donations from Epstein to their Sexual Assault and Violence Intervention Program earlier this year. I don't think that erases everything else being said here, but just felt it was relevant information to add to the conversation.
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I didn't know that! Thanks for sharing that is awesome to hear. I will point out that this means they knew the donations were from Epstein the entire time. Epstein had been a registered sex offender since 2008 and the allegations of his sex trafficking operation came out around the same time. Any money going to their Sexual Assault and Violence Intervention Program is better than none, but the timing coinciding with Epstein's second arrest does suggest that it wasn't done on principle and was a PR move.
 
SleazySalesMed said:
"You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
The revolution will not be televised."

If you don't want to take the moral high ground, that's fine. But don't cop out like that. What's happening isn't "fair" for patients, or many others. Have some backbone if you want to give a dissenting opinion.

For example I, for one, will not be taking the moral high ground. I'd go here if it's my best option. There does need to be change, but that's not a battle I'm willing to engage in.That's something that will be easiest if it come from the top, since the rest will naturally fall in line. Creating change from the bottom is possible, but it's like trying to drift against the current.

Best of luck to you. I'm staying in the running.
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Wait I'm really confused. I think you may be replying to the wrong person. I'm keeping my app in for now but observing carefully. I was talking to the person who said one SHOULD stay in the running, interview, and become a student at Mt. Sinai in order to change its culture. This one:

Msh66 said:
Are you withdrawing your application? If you interviewed, did you bring those concerns to their attention? If you feel that strongly and have that much evidence, why don’t you bring that to the appropriate parties for them to conduct an investigation? I appreciate you sharing your perspective, but students asking questions during an interview or withdrawing from the process would not fix the situation. I believe going in and working towards creating the right work environment is the way to go. If you want change, be that agent! Also, is there a difference between the hospital & the college of medicine?
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I don't think that's fair at all to expect a single student to do that. If you want to continue applying and interviewing for Mt. Sinai, you can totally go ahead and do that, I don't really care. I think we (myself and @SleazySalesMed) actually both AGREE that creating change from the bottom is drifting against the current.
 
scintillating said:
Wait I'm really confused. I think you may be replying to the wrong person. I'm keeping my app in for now but observing carefully. I was talking to the person who said one SHOULD stay in the running, interview, and become a student at Mt. Sinai in order to change its culture. This one:



I don't think that's fair at all to expect a single student to do that. If you want to continue applying and interviewing for Mt. Sinai, you can totally go ahead and do that, I don't really care. I think we (myself and @SleazySalesMed) actually both AGREE that creating change from the bottom is drifting against the current.
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If you are responding to me, you obviously didn’t get the message. The person encouraging others to withdraw apps, in my opinion, is barking at the wrong. Everyone is looking for an A and if Icahn offers, I’m personally all in. I believe if I want to make a change, I have to start somewhere and move my way up to a decision making position. It may not happen in few months, but if I feel that strongly about it, I would make it my mission. I’m sure the majority of us had researched the schools we are submitting apps so we should have an idea as to what these schools are about. Best of luck to all of you. You all have worked hard and have the smarts to make the best decision for YOU!
 
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trying to keep my spirits up in this neck of the sdn
 
Msh66 said:
If you are responding to me, you obviously didn’t get the message. The person encouraging others to withdraw apps, in my opinion, is barking at the wrong. Everyone is looking for an A and if Icahn offers, I’m personally all in. I believe if I want to make a change, I have to start somewhere and move my way up to a decision making position. It may not happen in few months, but if I feel that strongly about it, I would make it my mission. I’m sure the majority of us had researched the schools we are submitting apps so we should have an idea as to what these schools are about. Best of luck to all of you. You all have worked hard and have the smarts to make the best decision for YOU!
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I got your message, I just don’t agree with it lol. If it works for you, great. Good luck to all and I hope we all go on to change medicine for the better. Sounds like a platitude but I mean it
 
medemac said:
Peep my signature :') (yes, but hey maybe it's Rs today and IIs tomorrow?)
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I'm sorry!! Sending all of the good II vibes your way!

To make my post more useful for the other lurkers, I've been complete since mid-Aug with nothing. LM 72.
 
Can anyone comment on the interview format? How many? Who were the interviewers students v faculty? Open file?
 
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CRISPR_Queen said:
Can anyone comment on the interview format? How many? Who were the interviewers students v faculty? Open file?


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2 interviews either 1 faculty and 1 student or 2 faculty.

open file, but generally very conversational - you can take the interview in any direction you want. They may have 2-3 questions prepared based on your application in particular
 
i remember sinai saying to expect decisions in jan? anyone else remember this? i had my II in nov
 
juliannewman said:
i remember sinai saying to expect decisions in jan? anyone else remember this? i had my II in nov
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At my interview in early december, they said that while they were initially planning to start sending out As in January, they might have changed their plans to evaluate everyone first and then send out acceptances in march...but it sounded like they weren't exactly sure yet.
 
Dr_Ardipithecus said:
At my interview in early december, they said that while they were initially planning to start sending out As in January, they might have changed their plans to evaluate everyone first and then send out acceptances in march...but it sounded like they weren't exactly sure yet.
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So from rolling to all at once... ty!
 
Dr_Ardipithecus said:
At my interview in early december, they said that while they were initially planning to start sending out As in January, they might have changed their plans to evaluate everyone first and then send out acceptances in march...but it sounded like they weren't exactly sure yet.
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Aw man was really hoping to hear back in January. Hopefully that’ll still be the case
 
complete early Sep, but still no news... what's going on with my app??? 🙁
 
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