Yes, the University Program will see your response to the research essay. It's just that the research essay is slightly different if applying to the University Program only.
Thank you for your help. For the research essay for the University Program, is it okay if I write about multiple research experiences (different research groups, sometimes different types of research---basic science/translational/public health) and what I took away from them? I did see that the College Program explicitly asks for only one.
You can but I would recommend not going over the character limit. If one has been more meaningful than the other, feel free to write about one. We have a lot of reading to do so keep that in mind.
We do not offer full tuition scholarships and our financial aid is distributed based on need. We did not offer merit scholarships last year and will not be offering merit this cycle.
It's one set of prompts. I am pretty sure both programs see all of them, based on what @CWRU.Sman already said about the research prompt, so you should be good.
Just respond as you see fit. It is open for interpretation. If they had an exact way they want us to write it they would say so.
The additional optional essay is a space that is open to you for exactly that - anything additional you'd like to share that isn't captured anywhere else in your application. CCLCM is not including this optional essay in their portfolio so only the University Program will be using it.
There are always sensitive topics and difficult to advise on. The greater concern is if you will be able to get a state medical license with a felony on your record.
Not to mention, the cycle is only 3 weeks old, so it might be a little too soon to call! 😎
I appreciate your reply. Is a misdemeanor generally easier to get a license assuming that it is not a crime a moral turpitude. I read a blog with the Dean of CWRU who had a podcast for somebody who got a dui for example.
depends on the incident
That determination is left up to the state medical board. We have considered applicants with a DUI conviction as have other schools.
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You need high stats, period, but, from the secondary, it's definitely a research thing. I'm not an expert, so maybe @CWRU.Sman can weigh in, but, as an applicant, my takeaway is that they are looking for people who are VERY strong in research yet aren't looking to be MD-PhDs. I'm pretty sure that's what distinguishes it from the University Program, rather than stats.
how high are we talking? haha.
I don't think its really a stats thing. I would read up on the program and make sure its something you are interested in. I think if you have like normal Case-level stats, you have a shot if you can explain why you would excel in the unique structure of CCLCM and why you think it is necessary to your career goals. You don't need to be a 4.0/528, in fact past a certain point I doubt stats will help you as much as ability to verbalize your goals and explain your research.
????? They don't break them out, and keep in mind that the program is TINY, so I am not sure breaking them out would be that informative, since a few skewing high or low could paint a false picture. Stats are probably commensurate with whatever research studs at T20s typically have.
Hi @al32341! The podcast "All Acess: Med School Admissions" (hosted by the one and only Dr. Essman!) is a great resource for your questions, and I found the podcast really helpful when I was in the process of trying to decide which schools to apply to. Here's a link to the episode where he interviews the Associate Dean at CCLM. It gave me a pretty good idea of what the program was like: Episode 36: Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of CWRU | School of Medicine | School of Medicine | Case Western Reserve University . It's also on spotify and apple podcasts!
According to the CCLCM FAQ from the secondary,
I put a diversity essay
thanks for your response, unfortunately CCLCM already asks for diversity so I can't use that again. I think I might just put the Why CWRU but put things that are available to both schools.
I think it's stronger than a hint. They continue in that email by saying "completing the secondary as early as possible may enhance your chances of being invited for an interview". They don't disqualify you if you are past 2 weeks, but it's likely in your best interest to get within their strongly recommended timeframe.
Totally no need to kick yourself. Other than at UCLA (and I honestly have no idea what's going on there!) I haven't heard of any schools actually enforcing this "deadline." They say what they say because they want to keep the trains moving, and spacing out when they send secondaries and then asking that they be returned within two weeks helps them with workflow.
My pleasure!! You are totally fine. Even Labor Day is nothing more than a SDN rule of thumb, but it's a pretty good one just based on the timeline of the cycle in general, when IIs start to go out, etc.
I agree completely. Hopefully I did not come across as a doomsayer. I guess I just take medical schools at face value when they say "we strongly recommend that you complete the secondary application within two weeks".
Correct. The point is that we (and every other med school) have WAY more interview spots available at the beginning of the season than later in the year. Therefore, if you're just submitting your application in November when we're booking interviews in January and February, then your chances of getting an interview could be much less.
Thanks - hearing from the Dean of CCLCM is a good place to get insight. Simply put, CCLCM is for students who reeeeeeeally like research and want research to be a part of their career pathway as an MD. Perhaps pursuing an MD/PhD isn't an academic or career goal (or being in school for 8-9 years), then CCLCM is for them. Their stats are pretty close to the UP students. Successful CCLCM applicants don't all have 4.0/528's. As with any data like this there is a nice range too.
Hi @CWRU.Sman! To follow up on this, at least at CWRU, if an application is complete early and does not receive an early II, I understand that this might mean nothing because it might not have even been reviewed.
For CWRU, it just has to do with volume. We already have nearly 5,500 verified AMCAS applications and 2,800 completed applications - it's like a tsunami of applications in a short amount of time. The screening process takes time, a lot of time. Patience will be a a strong virtue in this process. Crickets doesn't always mean a bad thing, it could just mean that we haven't gotten to the application yet.
Thank you for your help on here. Was there any method/reasoning behind which students were selected to receive the first batch of secondaries before the full rollout?
No. We just needed send out about 75-100 invitations to make sure there everything on the platform would work and there weren't any bugs. Nothing worse than sending out 1,000s of emails (without testing the platform) and then having 1,000s of people telling you there is a problem. Bottomline - don't read into it.
Are you willing to share how applications are stratified and prioritized for review? I'm sure it's not first in-first out, or is it? Given how bad the odds are for everyone, unfortunately, while crickets don't always mean a bad thing, they do far more often than not, so any insight you are comfortable sharing can at least allow people to set expectations other than totally blindly! 🙂
phew, thanks!
Sounds great, but your strategy is predicated on each application having a random chance of success. The reality, however, is that applications are actually reviewed by human beings, who are looking for whatever it is that they look for. Most people have around two dozen decent matches, give or take.
Is the CCLCM program friendly towards students that already have a Ph.D. but want a Research-Oriented MD experience?
This is his response to that question from a few posts ago.
