2021-2022 SUNY, Downstate (Brooklyn)

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icysnake said:
For those of us who still haven't heard back from Downstate - do we just plan to enroll at another school and after May 1 treat a Downstate acceptance like a waitlist acceptance?
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yeah ngl I kinda just figure it's a WL and that im not gonna hear anything until after April 30th, no reason to stress over this given they historically dont have their class finalized for quite some time, def hard to do w/ no As but thats showbiz
 
Someone I know spoke to admissions in person and they said they aren't going to release anything else until April. I hope it isn't true, but based on the past years it probably is.
 
Does Downstate keep internal rankings for residency applications?

I know pre-clinical years are P/F, but the MSAR says they rank, while somewhere else says they don't. Anyone know?
 
JohnJacobJingleheimer said:
where did you read this?
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That's been the trend, there is sometimes a wave in april right before WL season really kicks off, but it feels like they accept Aug-Dec, then turn to Jan-May to fill the class. If they were transpartent ab it I'd honestly not hate it, but they dont communicate that well at all lol
 
applicant117 said:
That's been the trend, there is sometimes a wave in april right before WL season really kicks off, but it feels like they accept Aug-Dec, then turn to Jan-May to fill the class. If they were transpartent ab it I'd honestly not hate it, but they dont communicate that well at all lol
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The trend? As in like observationally, based on SDN reports on post II decisions? I would take this with a grain of salt. It’s no secret that your odds of admission dwindle at most places as the interview season progresses. That’s why some schools delay decisions until the end of the cycle, or break the cycle in half, with 2 decision dates. It’s because rolling admissions always favors the early bird. However, I highly doubt they are interviewing for the waitlist rn. Being more selective? Sure, as are most schools. When you have a few seats left for a few hundred applicants (pending decisions+ WL) that’s going to happen. I don’t think anyone yet to interview should be under the impression they’re ONLY interviewing for a WL or R, however.
 
JohnJacobJingleheimer said:
where did you read this?
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Oh just on this thread?
I’d usually brush it off if it were just one person. But others seemed to be corroborating saying that that’s what they were told during interview or info session.

I’m eager to hear evidence to the contrary.

For others who may be curious, I saw there were two maybe three dates in April I could choose from and the calendar for May was blank.

Btw is the info session on the first Friday of every month only for students who “interviewed in the preceding month” (rough quote from portal)? Or can I go choose to attend before my interview?
 
maddandadd said:
Does Downstate keep internal rankings for residency applications?

I know pre-clinical years are P/F, but the MSAR says they rank, while somewhere else says they don't. Anyone know?
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During clinical years you are ranked based on your core clerkship grades alone, in quartiles. Pre-clinical grades have no effect on your quartile.
 
Any new WL’s or acceptances? I haven’t heard anything back from last month.
 
I went and took a look for myself. And by look I mean carefully combed through last year's thread from ~late march until end of thread (and recorded who interviewed/was waitlisted/accepted when on a spreadsheet).

Seems like the big waitlist days were April 21 (YUGE), May 6, May 15.
May 1 was a big acceptance day - with a smattering of acceptances May 4-7 (great majority of these were from waitlists - from that April 21 waitlist day in particular). These included plenty of January & later interviewees. In fact, other than a couple Dec interviewees who got in May 1, these Dec and earlier interviewers seemed not to have fared well if they hadn't gotten in at this point.

And after these first seven days in may, the acceptances happened a la carte - decrescendoing all the way up til Jul 29 - when two people were admitted.

In total counted 20 +/- one or two acceptances reported on SDN between April to July 29. I would say this is plenty to feel hopeful about :> I did note there weren't many April interviews represented, but I feel less worried about this since there weren't any big A events in April that April interviewees like myself could have missed out on.

happy to share spreadsheet if someone can set up a google sheet for me to post anonymously into 🙂 (please don't make fun of me 🙁 )

obv all the same good advice applies -> things won't go exactly the same way as last year; don't worry too much; probability applies to populations not individuals; etc
 
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Blurm said:
I went and took a look for myself. And by look I mean carefully combed through last year's thread from ~late march until end of thread (and recorded who interviewed/was waitlisted/accepted when on a spreadsheet).

Seems like the big waitlist days were April 21 (YUGE), May 6, May 15.
May 1 was a big acceptance day - with a smattering of acceptances May 4-7 (great majority of these were from waitlists - from that April 21 waitlist day in particular). These included plenty of January & later interviewees. In fact, other than a couple Dec interviewees who got in May 1, these Dec and earlier interviewers seemed not to have fared well if they hadn't gotten in at this point.

And after these first seven days in may, the acceptances happened a la carte - decrescendoing all the way up til Jul 29 - when two people were admitted.

In total counted 20 +/- one or two acceptances reported on SDN between April to July 29. I would say this is plenty to feel hopeful about :> I did note there weren't many April interviews represented, but I feel less worried about this since there weren't any big A events in April that April interviewees like myself could have missed out on.

happy to share spreadsheet if someone can set up a google sheet for me to post anonymously into 🙂 (please don't make fun of me 🙁 )

obv all the same good advice applies -> things won't go exactly the same way as last year; don't worry too much; probability applies to populations not individuals; etc
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Great investigation Blurm! Assuming that not everyone uses SDN, how many A's do you think they would have given out all together b/w April to July 29th? Thanks!
 
GrainofSalt said:
I guess it's quite clear then that post-II folks will hear back in late April/ early May?
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I think I posted this a few weeks ago, but anecdotally, I interviewed in early December, and my interviewer said exactly that.

He said if I made it into the first group going to the committee, I would hear back in mid-February, and if not, I would hear back in late April/early May. And it seems like every post I've seen since then basically aligns with that. He made it sound like everyone who does not hear back in Feb will hear something during that second release (late April/early May). So while A's come well into summer as Blurm noted, I imagine most if not all of those are off the waitlist.
 
I counted about 27 acceptances in mid-late Feb. Represented by people who interviewed from Sept to Dec.
I counted about 19 acceptances from May to July 29. Represented by a small number of Dec interviewees, and the rest interviewed in Jan - Apr.

General observations - a noticeable number of students withdrew soon after finding out about Einstein acceptance in particular xD
One person commented that a current student told them ~30% of the class comes from WL. I got the feeling that they just do mass WL to cover their ass on taking so long to give updates - Many got their A just a couple weeks later. And in some cases, they were WL sometime in May and A'd after a few days.

GrainofSalt said:
Great investigation Blurm! Assuming that not everyone uses SDN, how many A's do you think they would have given out all together b/w April to July 29th? Thanks!
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I had wondered this too.

If we assume 1 in 3 waitlistees reported numbers on sdn (kinda high imo), then there would have been 60 acceptances. But if we want to keep the "30% of 200 person class is from AL" statement true, then this would mean they'd have to have a 100% yield (accept -> matric) from their AL (also feels kinda high).

Try some other numbers

Total WL acceptancesYield (accept->matric) Assuming 60 people from waitlistMeans [1 in X] WL acceptees reported on sdn (there were about 20)
60100%1 in 3
10060%1 in 5
20030%1 in 10
30020%1 in 15

The only fixed assumption in that chart is "60 matrics are from the waitlist each year."
It's kind of fun to think about this haha. I'm not much of a stats person so correct me if I'm thinking about it wrong.

Doesn't somewhere between 30 - 60% yield sound right to y'all?
 
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Blurm said:
I counted about 27 acceptances in mid-late Feb. Represented by people who interviewed from Sept to Dec.
I counted about 19 acceptances from May to July 29. Represented by a small number of Dec interviewees, and the rest interviewed in Jan - Apr.

General observations - a noticeable number of students withdrew soon after finding out about Einstein acceptance in particular xD
One person commented that a current student told them ~30% of the class comes from WL. I got the feeling that they just do mass WL to cover their ass on taking so long to give updates - Many got their A just a couple weeks later. And in some cases, they were WL sometime in May and A'd after a few days.



I had wondered this too.

If we assume 1 in 3 waitlistees reported numbers on sdn (kinda high imo), then there would have been 60 acceptances. But if we want to keep the "30% of 200 person class is from AL" statement true, then this would mean they'd have to have a 100% yield (accept -> matric) from their AL (also feels kinda high).

Try some other numbers

Total WL acceptancesYield (accept->matric) Assuming 60 people from waitlistMeans [1 in X] WL acceptees reported on sdn (there were about 20)
60100%1 in 3
10060%1 in 5
20030%1 in 10
30020%1 in 15

The only fixed assumption in that chart is "60 matrics are from the waitlist each year."
It's kind of fun to think about this haha. I'm not much of a stats person so correct me if I'm thinking about it wrong.

Doesn't somewhere between 30 - 60% yield sound right to y'all?
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I'm thinking the number of acceptances are somewhere between 60 and 100 given ur data analysis. Good work! Let's write this up and send to Nature.
 
nice work on the analysis yall. I'm pending a decision post Jan II. I'm assuming I'm not gonna hear anything until the end of the month at the earliest, which I think follows everyone's analysis. Thanks guys!
 
Hi! Did anyone else have difficulty accessing the informational videos that are on the portal to watch before interviews? It brings me to a youtube channel and says the videos are private.
 
KMed20 said:
Hi! Did anyone else have difficulty accessing the informational videos that are on the portal to watch before interviews? It brings me to a youtube channel and says the videos are private.
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Wait what videos? I'm only seeing informational PDFs.
 
How do you pay the deposit? Also was anyone able to see their fin aid package without putting the deposit down first? I’m mad confused lol
 
Blurm said:
Cool. Good luck with your stuff!
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That came out way worse than anticipated. My apologies for the lack of self-awareness there. I meant that I felt bad I was canceling a week before the interview and was hoping the interview slot would be offered to another applicant. I didn't want the slot to go to waste because I didn't give enough notice. Since most schools are not still sending II's this late, I was curious if it just so happened to be my interview slot, because that would be cool seeing someone else getting excited having gotten it; especially because I really was hesitant about canceling, but the thought that another applicant that would be more grateful for it getting it was one the deciding factors.

Again, I phrased that atrociously. Sorry for the condescending tone; it truly wasn't intentional!
 
JohnJacobJingleheimer said:
That came out way worse than anticipated. My apologies for the lack of self-awareness there. I meant that I felt bad I was canceling a week before the interview and was hoping the interview slot would be offered to another applicant. I didn't want the slot to go to waste because I didn't give enough notice. Since most schools are not still sending II's this late, I was curious if it just so happened to be my interview slot, because that would be cool seeing someone else getting excited having gotten it; especially because I really was hesitant about canceling, but the thought that another applicant that would be more grateful for it getting it was one the deciding factors.

Again, I phrased that atrociously. Sorry for the condescending tone; it truly wasn't intentional!
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Didn’t mean to tacitly chastise you!
I was fooling around on here while commuting home and despite doing a deep dive on one of these threads, didn’t know how to respond.

It usually goes:

“I just withdrew. Hope the II/A goes to one of you lovely people!” (Almost verbatim lol)

And then people send hearts and various expressions of gratitude.

Our exchange was a bit antisocial compared to that standard maybe 🤣
 
Now that more people are getting II’s I feel less like Florida.

We’re in it to WIN it people!!

Waitlist or not, there’s still quite a few A’s to be handed out. Hang in there. If like last year, no substantial updates until May.
 
kenykj49 said:
Is the consensus that interviews now are probably for the WL?
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Yes and no.

There’s a big waitlisting that happened 4/21 last year. And it turns out that most of the acceptances after mid February came from the waitlist. (No acceptances reported between the big A period in mid-late Feb and the big WL period in late April. In fact no new major waves until May 10ish when lots of A’s and some R’s came out iirc).

Felt to me like the WL is not much more than a “we still have your app, but haven’t made a decision yet. Sorry.”

You can go look at the spreadsheet I put together several posts upstream.
 
Has anyone else not heard anything at all since applying.. I was complete in late September and have not gotten a single update. I called the admissions office and was told that my application is still under review and that this was a good thing. Wondering if anyone is in the same situation or was I given false hope :/
 
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Rea9949 said:
Has anyone else not heard anything at all since applying.. I was complete in late September and have not gotten a single update. I called the admissions office and was told that my application is still under review and that this was a good thing. Wondering if anyone is in the same situation or was I given false hope :/
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Ya know, when I called about not hearing back after my December interview they also told me that it was a good thing. I think they just might be spinning everything positively for us when in reality it probably isn't.
 
plsacceptme_8) said:
Ya know, when I called about not hearing back after my December interview they also told me that it was a good thing. I think they just might be spinning everything positively for us when in reality it probably isn't.
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Had the same experience hahaha. I think the admissions office staff are really nice, but have no idea what's happening on the adcom side.
 
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