2008-2009 NYU Secondary Application Thread

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- we review regularly and can let you know immediately if we decide to accept you

Does that mean they're gonna accept people off the waitlist before May 15 this year?
In previous years, the waitlist only started to move at around May 12~14.
That would be SO awesome if the waitlist would move earlier this year!!!

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That is what it sounds like. Let us all hope so.
 
For all of those definitely going to NYU, join the "NYU School of Medicine Class of 2013" facebook group. I can't wait to meet you all!

I'm from NYC and would love to meet any NYC -NYU 2013-ers before class starts!

Good luck to everyone on the WL. I hope to see some of you in August
 
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Working through wait list grief: yesterday was denial, today is anger (I lie and tell myself, "I didn't even like NYU; they're just amazing!"), tomorrow I'll bargain with another letter of intent, and the day after I'll sink into a depression. : (
hehe, but seriously
 
A quick question for those on the wait list; Should we send out letter of intent in email or snail mail form? Thanks!
 
so everyone here staying on the waitlist is actually responding by writing a letter of intent/interest instead of just saying yes i'd like to stay on the wl? i thought they just want a yes or no. would it even have any impact if it's just the admin staff sorting through the yes/no emails?
 
Can anyone post what the waitlist letter said?? My parents haven't received it at the permanent address...
 
Can anyone post what the waitlist letter said?? My parents haven't received it at the permanent address...

Dear superduperstudent

This year the selection of students for the 2009 entering class has been a difficult task as the Committee on Admissions received over 7000 applications for the 166 places. Because of your outstanding record and achievements you have been placed on the waiting list for admission. (my favorite sentence):D

Please inform me in writing within the next two weeks whether or not you wish to remain on our waiting list. Please keep in mind that we cannot estimate your chances of being accepted from the list. However, the admissions committee is reviewing your application on a regular basis and you will be notified immediately if you are to be accepted. The list will be maintained throgh the first day of orientation, August 24th.

Thanks you for your patience and your interest in New York University School of Medicine. I look forward to hearing from you shortly.

Sincerely

Nancy B.Genieser, M.D., FACR
Associate Dean of Admissions & Financial Aid

550 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016

212.263.5290
 
I called the office today and the lady said that the waitlist won't move until May.
I don't completely trust the receptionist lady (she said that there would be Feb. acceptances), but that's how they've always done it, so I guess they're doing it again this year.

On the bright side, some numbers that I've found on NYU admissions are very comforting.
They usually accept 300~320 students in March but their final number of offers stands at around 430~450.
And (a SDN thread suggested that) about 300 people get waitlisted.
That means 100~120 will get accepted off the waitlist of 300.
And I don't believe that all of the 300 waitlisted applicants would be so interested in attending NYU as some of us here on the thread.
In the past years' threads, many people that had written letter(s) of intent had gotten in after May, so there's definitely a good chance.
Of course, this would only hold true if they're doing it the same way as before.
It feels like there's a lot more people waitlisted than accepted.
 
Does anyone know NYU's curriculum? Do they do any PBL or is it mostly lecture based?
 
do we send our wait list letter by mail or email? i know they like email for letters and updats, so i am siding with email, but anyone certain? i could always call if someone doesnt know..
 
i think multiple people asked that already in the previous page and generally the answer has been email (nyu going paperless?).

harate, thanks for the letter!! hm now im gonna have to think about what im gonna write... but nyu is gonna get so many love letters!
 
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So I asked this on the last page, but I'm still curious, so sorry for the double post, but if I sent NYU a LOIntent last week, should I rewrite a new one with the waitlist letter or send the same one with it? I feel like two in two weeks is a bit much but I also feel strange sending the same one AGAIN, and I definitely want to send them something with it.

Thanks!
 
i wouldn't resend the same loi again or send a whole new full length loi again, because i think either might be too much :-/

what if you respond to the waitlist letter by saying that yes, you're still interested, and maybe refer back to your previous loi and say that your statement still holds? so maybe a quick letter that says more than just a "yes" but not another long letter they'll have to chug through...
 
Great idea! Thanks so much!

Also I sent the last one to admissions at nyu.edu and got no response. Should I assume they received it or have other people been receiving responses to their letters?

Thanks for all the help!
 
I called today, and they said to definitely send it by email. I don't know what email address to send it to, however...
 
try [email protected]
thats what they use to contact you, it would make sense if they also receive emails there
 
what about this address, [email protected] ?

i hope this is the one the one we were supposed to use. i sent my thank you notes , loi, and wait list letter there
 
is there anyone else on the WL (notified monday 3/2) who hasn't received a physical letter in the mail yet?
 
when i emailed a loi before, i never got a confirmation. so i called, told them what email address i emailed the letter to, and they said that they should have received it.

but they weren't really up for double checking that they actually received it... and i never got a confirmation afterwards. just fyi :p
 
Yeah, I sent in my "yes, I'll stay on the waitlist + why I love NYU" email this weekend and haven't received a confirmation yet.
Don't know if I should send it again or call them and ask.
I sent it to [email protected] which was on the website.
 
I sent a short yes/ why you should chose me email to the same address. I am fairly certain it is the correct address but I would not expect a confirmation email back...
 
I e-mailed + mailed my love letter on Tuesday to Dr.Genieser, McGrath & to my interviewer. I spelled out why I love the school and why I think it is a good fit and how I can contribute to the school. I did not write it as a letter of intent though.

Did you guys write it as a letter of intent ?
 
Just thought I would let everyone know - I called today to request confirmation of my WL letter. The woman I spoke with said that they are not making confirmations, but that they would be sending emails out to those that they did not hear from by the deadline. So don't fret!
 
It's been so quiet in here the past few days.....How's everyone doing?
 
I hope I made the deadline... I emailed them last friday evening with literally a sentence saying I wanna remain on the waitlist... (That's within the deadline right???) My senior thesis was due this past weekend so there was no way I could write a superb letter last week...
 
I hope I made the deadline... I emailed them last friday evening with literally a sentence saying I wanna remain on the waitlist... (That's within the deadline right???) My senior thesis was due this past weekend so there was no way I could write a superb letter last week...

My letter was dated the 2nd, meaning today would be the cutoff. But really, I bet they are reasonably flexible with this sort of stuff.
 
Decicco, I enjoyed your "Health Care is Not a Right" link. Very good points.
 
I couldn't agree more with that article. Thank you for posting it Deicco. I wish more health care personnel and medical students could understand this concept
 
To the fortunate who have been accepted:
Whats the story on financial aid? I sent in the FAFSA a long time ago, but every other school I interviewed at asked for lots of other stuff... any early acceptances heard anything about that?
 
I dunno, but apparently they're informing us on April 6. Maybe they go off of the FAFSA?
 
I emailed a few weeks ago specifically asking if anything else was needed and they said just the FAFSA at this time.
 
Not to arbitrarily pick fights on online forums, but because this just got a handful of comments:
"Health Care Is Not A Right" is founded on a definition of "right" typically only used by libertarians, that of the "negative right" or right against some specific action. Thus the right against being unjustly deprived of your life, the right against being unjustly deprived of your liberty, and the right against being unjustly prevented from pursuing happiness. And unjustly, in each of these cases, is an important term, because you have no absolute rights, any and all rights may be abrogated given sufficient outside interest. If you read Mill, the closest thing the individual has to an absolute right is that to self-defense.
The notion of rights is a relatively recent one, and they have been and still are restricted to those classes of people who gain sufficient power to demand them, see women until 1921, not including the right to equal pay for equal work, or non-whites until 1964. If one reads the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, a new definition of rights arises from the newfound social responsibility realized after facing the potential for mutual annihilation - positive rights, rights to be afforded some minimum aid when structural and institutional forces otherwise prevent you from enjoying your other rights. It is from this definition of rights that the right to health is constructed, and this is central to the straw-man argument Peikoff relies upon. The right to health care it is not a right to unlimited health care, which is absurd and easily argued against. It is a right to a minimum standard of health which could be easily defined by legislation, community rationing, or resource constraints. We've established a right to emergency care already in this country, some of the most expensive care we can come up with in terms of over-treatment, and we'd be much better off if we included primary or preventive care to keep all the colds and runny noses out of our EDs. We will be much closer to "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men [sic] are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" if we can allow everyone in our country the chance to live, be free, and pursue happiness by enjoying a minimum standard of health. But you can't expect much from a man whose only sources are himself and Ayn Rand.

I'll stop before I digress to making snide remarks about future doctors who don't think their patients have a right to care.
 
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Not to arbitrarily pick fights on online forums, but because this just got a handful of comments:
"Health Care Is Not A Right" is founded on a definition of "right" typically only used by libertarians, that of the "negative right" or right against some specific action. Thus the right against being unjustly deprived of your life, the right against being unjustly deprived of your liberty, and the right against being unjustly prevented from pursuing happiness. And unjustly, in each of these cases, is an important term, because you have no absolute rights, any and all rights may be abrogated given sufficient outside interest. If you read Mills, the closest thing the individual has to an absolute right is that to self-defense.
The notion of rights is a relatively recent one, and they have been and still are restricted to those classes of people who gain sufficient power to demand them, see women until 1921, not including the right to equal pay for equal work, or non-whites until 1964. If one reads the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, a new definition of rights arises from the newfound social responsibility realized after facing the potential for mutual annihilation - positive rights, rights to be afforded some minimum aid when structural and institutional forces otherwise prevent you from enjoying your other rights. It is from this definition of rights that the right to health is constructed, and this is central to the straw-man argument Peikoff relies upon. The right to health care it is not a right to unlimited health care, which is absurd and easily argued against. It is a right to a minimum standard of health which could be easily defined by legislation, community rationing, or resource constraints. We've established a right to emergency care already in this country, some of the most expensive care we can come up with in terms of over-treatment, and we'd be much better off if we included primary or preventive care to keep all the colds and runny noses out of our EDs. We will be much closer to "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men [sic] are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" if we can allow everyone in our country the chance to live, be free, and pursue happiness by enjoying a minimum standard of health. But you can't expect much from a man whose only sources are himself and Ayn Rand.

I'll stop before I digress to making snide remarks about future doctors who don't think their patients have a right to care.

Great, great post! Glad to see others feel this way.
 
Ideally, it would be great for everyone to have access to health care. However, when one person's right to health care strips another of their right to liberty because their hard earned money is going into paying someone else's health care, then the fundamental rights then outlined in the constitution are given to someone at the expense of someone else. This is why our founding fathers were very explicit about these three rights: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So, that a level of fairness and individual responsibility took precedence in our great country. Having others pay for someone else's health care, although it may not seem apparent, is the beginning of socialism in this country, where everyone feels entitled to the same as everyone else even though many refuse to work for it. Now, I understand there are a few exceptions to this, such as the disabled, etc. But the exceptions do not in any way far outweigh the norm.
 
these "rights" are in the declaration of independence, not the constitution. so it is not as though your protected rights are being trampled upon by having part of your taxes pay for the protection of someones else life. its the same old offensive argument which is rooted in a your ignorant understanding of poverty. furthermore, your argument just seems self-congratulatory, which makes your desire to pursue medicine a seemingly transparent one....
 
these "rights" are in the declaration of independence, not the constitution. so it is not as though your protected rights are being trampled upon by having part of your taxes pay for the protection of someones else life. its the same old offensive argument which is rooted in a your ignorant understanding of poverty. furthermore, your argument just seems self-congratulatory, which makes your desire to pursue medicine a seemingly transparent one....

They are obviously not protected rights once they are being violated. Helping save someone's life is one thing. Paying for expenses that could be paid for by that same person who could very well work are another. Unless, of course, they are disabled, injured, etc (I have already made these distinctions). In addition, I would be very careful to assume that simply because I make these comments that I must have no awareness of poverty. I was brought up in the projects of Harlem on a poverty level income. I lived in the ghetto all of my life and witnessed for 25 years how the system works. Technically, I am a veteran in this field since I have lived it firsthand. And it is for these very reasons, based on what I've seen, learned, and experienced, that I believe what I believe. If anything, you should learn not to judge a book by its cover, especially if YOU seek to pursue medicine.
 
Having others pay for someone else's health care, although it may not seem apparent, is the beginning of socialism in this country, where everyone feels entitled to the same as everyone else even though many refuse to work for it. Now, I understand there are a few exceptions to this, such as the disabled, etc.

I would add to the list of things you pay for others to enjoy:
Schools
Roads
Police protection and national defense
Social security
Medicare
Medicaid
And a fun one, since you pay for other people to benefit for your own good, Vaccines.

Not that that's terribly important, and another note, unbridled capitalism hasn't been doing that well of late. The "it's my money, I earned it, and nobody's going to take it from me" attitude and lack of social consciousness contributed significantly to the state our country is in at the moment.

On a better topic (and, fortunately, the original one) let's discuss why health is special and is a right that should be protected:
People don't choose to be sick. Most illnesses, and the ones for which the government should protect a right to health, are caused without respect to an individual's actions or choices. Environmental factors that predispose to asthma or increase cancer risk, or genetic risk factors for cancer, heart disease, or Alzheimer's, have nothing to do with personal responsibility or fairness. The right to health isn't the right to unlimited care for lung cancer after a lifetime of smoking, but might be the right to care for lung cancer if you grew up in Harlem and sucked bus exhaust all day in junior high. It might also be the right to prevent bus depots from being built in front of schools, or the right to not have to breathe bus exhaust while in school. This is a specific example, but parallels exist everywhere you look.
Preventing unequal burdens of health risks, promoting solutions to existing inequalities, and providing care to minimize disparities caused by institutional and social weaknesses are the right to health. The anti-socialism argument is a distraction that unfortunately works too well in politics and when trying to influence people who can't see or won't look past their wallets or their own front door.
 
I would add to the list of things you pay for others to enjoy:
Schools
Roads
Police protection and national defense
Social security
Medicare
Medicaid
And a fun one, since you pay for other people to benefit for your own good, Vaccines.

Not that that's terribly important, and another note, unbridled capitalism hasn't been doing that well of late. The "it's my money, I earned it, and nobody's going to take it from me" attitude and lack of social consciousness contributed significantly to the state our country is in at the moment.

On a better topic (and, fortunately, the original one) let's discuss why health is special and is a right that should be protected:
People don't choose to be sick. Most illnesses, and the ones for which the government should protect a right to health, are caused without respect to an individual's actions or choices. Environmental factors that predispose to asthma or increase cancer risk, or genetic risk factors for cancer, heart disease, or Alzheimer's, have nothing to do with personal responsibility or fairness. The right to health isn't the right to unlimited care for lung cancer after a lifetime of smoking, but might be the right to care for lung cancer if you grew up in Harlem and sucked bus exhaust all day in junior high. It might also be the right to prevent bus depots from being built in front of schools, or the right to not have to breathe bus exhaust while in school. This is a specific example, but parallels exist everywhere you look.
Preventing unequal burdens of health risks, promoting solutions to existing inequalities, and providing care to minimize disparities caused by institutional and social weaknesses are the right to health. The anti-socialism argument is a distraction that unfortunately works too well in politics and when trying to influence people who can't see or won't look past their wallets or their own front door.

First of all, for most of the things that you've mentioned, as a taxpayer, I'm enjoying the benefits also (not just someone else). In paying taxes for roads, schools, police security, national defense, etc...I am also reaping the benefits. I am certainly not enjoying paying for someone's knee surgery who hasn't worked a day in his/her life.

Secondly, practically the entire world is not doing well economically, not just the U.S. The only countries that are doing well right are theocracies, for instance, UAE (United Arab Emirates). What are you suggesting, theocracy? The only reason UAE is doing well is because capitalists taught them how to exploit their own natural resources (oil).

Lastly, the government is already assisting people in need of health care through medicaid and medicare. There are already social programs in place available for people in need. But to socialize and try to universalize medicine for all (meaning make health care free for all, such as in the UK) only means more money in the pockets of politicians and bureaucracies because they can obviously spend it better than you can (yea right). In the UK, 60% of your taxes go to paying for everyone's health care. Anyhow, back to the US. I've lived in the projects all of my life and it's unheard of for someone in need to claim that they can't afford a medical bill. Because guess what? It's already being paid for.
 
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Anyhow, I wouldn't want to continue with these discussions indefinitely. I mean, we are all intellectuals capable of intelligent discussions that express our viewpoints. It's a free country, right? However, I don't want to anger anyone. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It's always enlightening to hear other's points of views even if we disagree. Good night everyone.
 
I dunno, but apparently they're informing us on April 6. Maybe they go off of the FAFSA?

April 6? Where'd you get that date from? That would be awesome. Nice and early.

Any current students or anyone else in the know have any idea what the extent of their financial awards are?
 
April 6? Where'd you get that date from? That would be awesome. Nice and early.

Any current students or anyone else in the know have any idea what the extent of their financial awards are?

Hey icarus8. I got a letter stating that after April 6th qualifying students can expect to receive their financial aid award on NetPartner. It's a system that can be accessed at http://www.nyu.edu/financial.aid. You'll need a University Identification (UID) and PIN Number in order to log on (which you can request from NetPartner). Hope this helps!
 
thanks futuredoc1125, very helpful. I actually got that letter yesterday afternoon, so I'm on the same page now too. thanks!
 
any current med students want to shed light on the class schedule? Do students have to attend lecture? what time are classes usually done by?
 
any current med students want to shed light on the class schedule? Do students have to attend lecture? what time are classes usually done by?


I'd really like to know too, I vaguely remember a 9:30ish start time?? Not sure, but I do remember the student guides saying it fluctuates.
 
I'd really like to know too, I vaguely remember a 9:30ish start time?? Not sure, but I do remember the student guides saying it fluctuates.
When I visited, I'm almost positive my host had 930 class.
 
Hello Everyone!

Just wanted to break this dry spell since no one has posted anything in a while. So, anyone heard anything good from financial aid?
 
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