2011-2012 Washington University in St. Louis Application Thread

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How do you know there'll be an update, and where would it be shown? Shouldn't accepted people have received a phone call earlier today?
 
Fanforever said:
How do you know there'll be an update, and where would it be shown? Shouldn't accepted people have received a phone call by now?
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It seems only a few accepted students received congratulatory phone calls from their interviewers. I go by when updates were received last year, and everything has matched up so far.
 
Nothing for me.... 🙁(((

Assuming waitlist from now. This is unfortunate. I loved the school 🙁(
 
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Nothing. Looks like I'm either waitlisted or rejected. Just out of curiosity, what does the status page look like if you're accepted?
 
Illinois2012 said:
haha how elaborate
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that's literally all it says but hey, i'll take it...i wouldn't care if it said "imymemine you were our absolute last choice (you're butt ugly) but i guess we'll let you join us, send cash only by fedex asap kthx"
 
I see nothing =(

I interviewed in late January. Perhaps we find out later? :xf:

Congrats though to the acceptees at this late hour!
 
i'm out of town and can't access my wumsapply page..did you guys get emails that your statuses were updated?
 
MelMelisqueen said:
i'm out of town and can't access my wumsapply page..did you guys get emails that your statuses were updated?
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I was wondering about that too, but I didn't get any email except for the updated status page (interviewed on Jan 27th). Congrats to all the acceptees and best of luck to those still waiting!
 
For those of you who weren't accepted, don't be too sad! WashU makes a HUGE waitlist and dips quite heavily into it. I know quite a number of people in my class were accepted off of it. So don't give up on us yet!
 
Has anyone heard about second look? I saw the dates on the second look thread, but I'm not sure if there's any more info...
 
nadaba said:
Has anyone heard about second look? I saw the dates on the second look thread, but I'm not sure if there's any more info...
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+1--I was just coming here to ask this exact question. Trying to plan and look at flights is difficult with no info...
 
Neuralbunny said:
+1--I was just coming here to ask this exact question. Trying to plan and look at flights is difficult with no info...
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I didn't go, but here's what a classmate who went tells me:
"uhh, you get to hang out with your future classmates. Go somewhere, art museum, city museum, budweiser tour, get a nice free meal, you actually pay attention to the financial aid speech this time. drinking on the school, dinner/drinks at wildflower too"
Also, they do apartment tours of the popular places in the Central West End on Sunday.
From what I can figure out, it starts on Friday (April 13th) morning and ends on Sunday. Classmate tells me to try to get a later flight on Sunday 'cause you'll be super hungover after Saturday night 😛
You get put up at a hotel with a roommate for the weekend. The MSTPs get put up at Chase (the super nice hotel ~10min walk from campus) and the MDs get put up at the Parkway (the not-as-nice-but-still-perfectly-acceptable hotel pretty much on campus). Bring clothes to run around in for City Museum and party clothes for the drinking and visit to the local favorite club.

It's a crazy awesome time, from what I've heard. Lots of drunk bonding with your future classmates and current students. Hope to meet you all there 😀

Also, chill! You'll get the info soon enough, I promise.
 
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lisi326 said:
I didn't go, but here's what a classmate who went tells me:
"uhh, you get to hang out with your future classmates. Go somewhere, art museum, city museum, budweiser tour, get a nice free meal, you actually pay attention to the financial aid speech this time. drinking on the school, dinner/drinks at wildflower too"
Also, they do apartment tours of the popular places in the Central West End on Sunday.
From what I can figure out, it starts on Friday (April 13th) morning and ends on Sunday. Classmate tells me to try to get a later flight on Sunday 'cause you'll be super hungover after Saturday night 😛
You get put up at a hotel with a roommate for the weekend. The MSTPs get put up at Chase (the super nice hotel ~10min walk from campus) and the MDs get put up at the Parkway (the not-as-nice-but-still-perfectly-acceptable hotel pretty much on campus). Bring clothes to run around in for City Museum and party clothes for the drinking and visit to the local favorite club.

It's a crazy awesome time, from what I've heard. Lots of drunk bonding with your future classmates and current students. Hope to meet you all there 😀

Also, chill! You'll get the info soon enough. They JUST put out their last acceptances!
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I hope not last ones since I interviewed like a week ago...
 
Hii...Sorry if this has been asked before but is the waitlist at WashU hard-ranked or do they review all the files perdiodically to decide who gets off the list?

Thanks.
 
lisi326 said:
For those of you who weren't accepted, don't be too sad! WashU makes a HUGE waitlist and dips quite heavily into it. I know quite a number of people in my class were accepted off of it. So don't give up on us yet!
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Any advice when the waitlist will come out?
 
i was told by a student at my interview day that 30% of her MD-only class came off the wait-list, so yea agreed

lisi326 said:
For those of you who weren't accepted, don't be too sad! WashU makes a HUGE waitlist and dips quite heavily into it. I know quite a number of people in my class were accepted off of it. So don't give up on us yet!
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will there be acceptances posted tonight? How often does the adcom meet?
 
condor87 said:
That said, "grades" during 2nd year (which is admittedly much harder than 1st year) are set up to reward excellence, not to promote competition. No 2nd year course at WUSM is curved, period. The H/HP/P/F cutoffs are determined on Day 1 of each course, and if everyone only gets a Pass, so be it…if everyone gets Honors, then GREAT!

Probably the most brutal (yet amazing, as the teaching is phenomenal) course of 2nd year is Infectious Diseases. In my year (Class of 2013), the grading breakdown was as follows:

Honors = 72/124 students (58.1%)
High Pass = 41/124 students (33.1%)
Pass (cutoff of 65%) = 11/124 students (8.8%)
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Hey guys, I know this is way after the fact, but I was wondering if this kind of grading is typical for second year. Or do some courses have insanely worse breakdowns?

I was told that grading is only changed to help students get better grades (but not the other way around). So if everyone gets a pass, cutoffs would be adjusted some maybe? Did I hear wrong/misunderstand?

During the morning talk, I vaguely remember that board study time would be six weeks for this year's entering class. Was I day-dreaming, or did anyone else hear that too?
 
Does anyone know when those who have not heard back yet should expect to receive a decision? Thank you!
 
Regarding the grading statistics I posted a while back, my point was to counter any notions of 'cutthroat-ness' that are assumed based on the fact that MS2 at WashU is graded and not P/F. I simply used the grading breakdown from what is widely regarded as one of the hardest classes as an example.

While I don't have all the emails we received with the grading breakdowns for each class, I can confidently say that no class stands out as being an 'impossible' class to honor. Given that there are multiple students (probably ~10% of the class at least) who honor 90+% of their classes, I've never heard of a class adjusting all of the H/HP/P/F cutoffs after people have taken the exam.

What does happen every now and then is a thorough analysis of the scores of students at the bottom of the spectrum. For example, the common 65% or 70% cutoffs for 'passing' are rather arbitrary actually, so some professors who give exams that allow people to score, for example, 64.2% may decide that a 64% cutoff should be the pass/fail cutoff instead of 65% (in this example). The person/people that got a 51%, however, still fail. This is on a professor-by-professor basis and happens in both graded and P/F systems throughout the country, undergraduate and graduate/medical schools alike.

Moving on. The length of the academic calendar varies year to year, and there is a mild internal push from students to condense MS1 and MS2 as much as possible, as there's no need to prolong the number of weeks one spends in lecture. Bottom-line, if you got into WashU (or any other top 20 medical school), you'll be fine with 4 weeks of dedicated Step 1 study time. Some years one may be able to squeeze in a 5th week at the sacrifice of vacation time before 3rd year begins. I don't know anything about the schedule for the next few years, but it wouldn't surprise me if things work out to provide another few days/one week between end of MS2 and start of MS3.
 
condor87 said:
Regarding the grading statistics I posted a while back, my point was to counter any notions of 'cutthroat-ness' that are assumed based on the fact that MS2 at WashU is graded and not P/F. I simply used the grading breakdown from what is widely regarded as one of the hardest classes as an example.

While I don't have all the emails we received with the grading breakdowns for each class, I can confidently say that no class stands out as being an 'impossible' class to honor. Given that there are multiple students (probably ~10% of the class at least) who honor 90+% of their classes, I've never heard of a class adjusting all of the H/HP/P/F cutoffs after people have taken the exam.

What does happen every now and then is a thorough analysis of the scores of students at the bottom of the spectrum. For example, the common 65% or 70% cutoffs for 'passing' are rather arbitrary actually, so some professors who give exams that allow people to score, for example, 64.2% may decide that a 64% cutoff should be the pass/fail cutoff instead of 65% (in this example). The person/people that got a 51%, however, still fail. This is on a professor-by-professor basis and happens in both graded and P/F systems throughout the country, undergraduate and graduate/medical schools alike.

Moving on. The length of the academic calendar varies year to year, and there is a mild internal push from students to condense MS1 and MS2 as much as possible, as there's no need to prolong the number of weeks one spends in lecture. Bottom-line, if you got into WashU (or any other top 20 medical school), you'll be fine with 4 weeks of dedicated Step 1 study time. Some years one may be able to squeeze in a 5th week at the sacrifice of vacation time before 3rd year begins. I don't know anything about the schedule for the next few years, but it wouldn't surprise me if things work out to provide another few days/one week between end of MS2 and start of MS3.
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The grading and all sound pretty reasonable. Thanks for the clarification!

See you all in a month at second look =D
 
Does anyone know if their will be an update tomorrow morning?
 
Anyone want to make a facebook group for accepted applicants?
 
I would be really careful about trusting the cheerleading of people who are in student government such as Condor87.

It is cutt-throat. Don't fool yourself. Use some common sense. If you put the highest MCAT scores together in a tiered grading system, you better believe it. I cannot tell you how disillusioned and stained by an apathetic malaise the people who don't do well in the grading scheme are. And for some of the arrogant, self-righteous fellow students who may read this, it isn't just me. You guys just don't bother to look up from your books to give a damn.

Before I came to Wash U, I was happy and had some degree of confidence that I wasn't stupid. I am no longer happy. It is a nasty and vicious place. One small group leader for the behavioral sciences portion last block said to my reply to a question of his that I wasn't sure, "well... monkey see monkey do". I am the bottom of my class. I have no confidence. I care a great deal about people but have little hope of becoming what I set out to be.

I am desperate to escape this place. You have no idea how stressed and how annoyed, disgusted, angered some of us are with each other. In team based learning sessions, a lot of us just want to shut up the know it alls who nitpick over the nuances of a multiple choice question that counts for maybe at the most 0.25% of their grade. Look at our last TBL session recording if you don't believe me about the nitpicking or the annoyance with it.

The POM ethics sessions are really the highlight, the gem of why this place is horrible. On one hand, you have the vast majority of students who really couldn't care to legitimately think about the questions that are posed. Regurgitate the answer that is prescribed by popular opinion or some guideline board. On the other hand, you have people leading the discussions who are pompous and arrogant and just shut people down/ allow people to be ganged up on without any support of differing opinion.

The lack of compassion for each other and for patients (I could list a lot of quite stunning examples), ethical considerations (Not just in the classroom), and being able to just fulfill your expectations of human decency really make me sick with this place. Please consider coming here carefully. Not everything comes down to U.S. news rankings, or average MCAT/GPA, or total NIH funding.
 
Does anyone know when we may hear back about post-interview decisions? I realize that the last round of acceptances is done, but I was wondering when we'll find out about waitlist/rejection.
 
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