2011-2012 Washington University in St. Louis Application Thread

[babydragon]

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+7

 

[shidu54]

+8

From perusing last years thread, there was only 1 person who commented (on SDN) after being waitlisted that they had gotten accepted. The year before, however, 10/30 people who posted that they got on the wait list ended up being accepted.

So chances are slim all around, but as Gandalf says:

"There never was much hope... Just a fool's hope."

And look how right he ended up being!

 

[masaraksh]

+9

 

[frutiaspice]

+another

 

[ksmi117]

There actually generally is quite a bit of waitlist movement here so don't give up hope yet!

 

[Lexicon0]

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[7382108]

Waitlisted here as well. I'm wondering how many ppl are put on waitlist? Do they actually select for the waitlist, or do they put everyone post-interview who aren't accepted into the waitlist pool?

 

[Cinclus]

Waitlisted here as well. I'm wondering how many ppl are put on waitlist? Do they actually select for the waitlist, or do they put everyone post-interview who aren't accepted into the waitlist pool?

ksmi has said that about 1/4 get accepted post-interview, 1/2 are waitlisted, and about 1/4 are rejected.

 

[Missorleans]

+11

 

[MaxHeptacity]

+12

 

[Filius]

Interviewed on Feb. 15th - waitlisted today. But, Yale gave me good news a few hours before, so I'm lucky enough to not care at all.

 

[NatrixCaelicola]

Interviewed on Feb. 15th - waitlisted today. But, Yale gave me good news a few hours before, so I'm lucky enough to not care at all.

Same situation except with Duke 🙂

 

[MelMelisqueen]

waitlisted, withdrew. Good luck guys!

 

[aathrash]

waitlisted yesterday. interviewed on Jan 6th. not feeling too bad about it. but I still don't know what to make of the post about the negative environment at WashU...also grading in the second yr concerns me.

 

[Rock Spring]

i still don't know what to make of the post about the negative environment at washu...also grading in the second yr concerns me.

+1

 

[Paulymath]

I posted this a while back, but here it is again:

http://www.facebook.com/groups/360645550642685/

The Wash U class of 2016 facebook group

 

[Isleofthedeep]

Does anyone know when the remaining merit scholarship offers are expected?

 

[Filius]

Same situation except with Duke 🙂

Hey, congrats! 😀

Though I still can't believe WashU didn't like us, even after all the trouble we went to locate a hanger for my suit. I was wrinkle-free! 😕

 

[NatrixCaelicola]

Hey, congrats! 😀

Though I still can't believe WashU didn't like us, even after all the trouble we went to locate a hanger for my suit. I was wrinkle-free! 😕

I'm willing to bet that my interviewer and I just didn't jive... Me the liberal gay from the West Coast, him the staunch republican that kept making snide comments towards the current administration and addressed EVERYTHING on my application except my diversity essay...

Don't forget you were also clean shaven

 

[pkl2031]

Ouch, WashU took a minor dive in the new rankings. I don't remember it being outside the top 5 in the past.

 

[TheGreyWarden]

Ouch, WashU took a minor dive in the new rankings. I don't remember it being outside the top 5 in the past.

Any ideas why that may have happened? WashU's been top 4 since around 1996, and I know it was 5 for a couple years before then. I'm guessing it's just noise...

Question for current students: I was looking at the apartment complexes listed in the Dis-Orientation Guide, and I was wondering which are the most popular for med students (especially first-years)... maybe you could give us the top 3-4 places?

 

[ksmi117]

Any ideas why that may have happened? WashU's been top 4 since around 1996, and I know it was 5 for a couple years before then. I'm guessing it's just noise...

Question for current students: I was looking at the apartment complexes listed in the Dis-Orientation Guide, and I was wondering which are the most popular for med students (especially first-years)... maybe you could give us the top 3-4 places?

Top 3 places for first years: Del Coronado, Montclair on the Park, and Parc Frontenac. Also, Olin res hall, but I don't think that's what you're going for.

My opinion of these places: all fine places to live, but a little expensive for the quality. There's a lot for rent in the Central West End, but the cheaper places are a little bit harder to find and less advertised. I'd say a lot of people live in one of these three places first year and then move to another place for the rest of medical school. But there are, of course, people who live in these building for all 4 years. They are nice places to live, but you can find better value places around.

If you get a chance, I'd recommend coming to St. Louis and looking at a lot of places. You'd also get a better idea of how close it is to the school, what else is around, etc.

 

[lisi326]

Top 3 places for first years: Del Coronado, Montclair on the Park, and Parc Frontenac. Also, Olin res hall, but I don't think that's what you're going for.

My opinion of these places: all fine places to live, but a little expensive for the quality. There's a lot for rent in the Central West End, but the cheaper places are a little bit harder to find and less advertised. I'd say a lot of people live in one of these three places first year and then move to another place for the rest of medical school. But there are, of course, people who live in these building for all 4 years. They are nice places to live, but you can find better value places around.

If you get a chance, I'd recommend coming to St. Louis and looking at a lot of places. You'd also get a better idea of how close it is to the school, what else is around, etc.

Where are these cheaper places you speak of, ksmi? 🙂 I'm moving into my own place (not in DelCo) next year and I don't know where to look 🙁

 

[Cinclus]

OK, I think I've decided to stay on the wait list. It can't hurt.

 

[chronicidal]

Any ideas why that may have happened? WashU's been top 4 since around 1996, and I know it was 5 for a couple years before then. I'm guessing it's just noise...

Here's what changed between 2012 and 2013 rankings:

Stanford and UCSF broke out of the three-way tie for 5th and passed WashU, which used to be 4th.

What changed:
-Stanford and UCSF's peer assessment score (20% of ranking) increased by 0.1 (out of 5) while WashU's remained the same. USNWR only gives 1 decimal point, bitches, so you have no idea how big the change was.

-Stanford's average MCAT (13% of ranking) increased from 11.4 to 11.6, while WashU's decreased from 12.5 to 12.4. (These numbers are MCAT score divided by 3.) I actually don't have UCSF's old MCAT score, so I don't know how it changed.

-I don't know how much research funding changed (30% of ranking).

-Other factors are weighted less (undergrad GPA, acceptance rate).

On a scale of 0-100, the difference, rounded to the nearest integer, between WashU and Stanford/UCSF is less than 2 percentage points.

 

[Paulymath]

Anyone looking for housing - I've got a great apartment lined up just a few blocks from the medical school (comes with a garage, and the complex has a pool) and I'm looking for a roommate. PM me if you're interested. I can give you more info about myself and the place.

 

[masaraksh]

Here's what changed between 2012 and 2013 rankings:

Stanford and UCSF broke out of the three-way tie for 5th and passed WashU, which used to be 4th.

What changed:
-Stanford and UCSF's peer assessment score (20% of ranking) increased by 0.1 (out of 5) while WashU's remained the same. USNWR only gives 1 decimal point, bitches, so you have no idea how big the change was.

-Stanford's average MCAT (13% of ranking) increased from 11.4 to 11.6, while WashU's decreased from 12.5 to 12.4. (These numbers are MCAT score divided by 3.) I actually don't have UCSF's old MCAT score, so I don't know how it changed.

-I don't know how much research funding changed (30% of ranking).

-Other factors are weighted less (undergrad GPA, acceptance rate).

On a scale of 0-100, the difference, rounded to the nearest integer, between WashU and Stanford/UCSF is less than 2 percentage points.

I hope you don't actually take these numbers too seriously.

 

[chronicidal]

I hope you don't actually take these numbers too seriously.

No, I don't. I provided an analysis of the numbers that I have access to so that people can realize that the changes from year to year are pretty trivial. A "drop" from 4th to 6th is essentially inconsequential. Some of the variation could even be an artifact of numeric rounding.

 

[Rock Spring]

numeric rounding

what about non-numeric rounding?

 

[Cinclus]

No, I don't. I provided an analysis of the numbers that I have access to so that people can realize that the changes from year to year are pretty trivial. A "drop" from 4th to 6th is essentially inconsequential. Some of the variation could even be an artifact of numeric rounding.

I appreciate your analysis, as it confirms that the rankings are kind of dumb.

 

[nadaba]

I appreciate your analysis, as it confirms that the rankings are kind of dumb.

It also shows just how close the top schools are to each other, at least according to US News metrics!

 

[TheGreyWarden]

Thanks Chronicidal! Great analysis as always 🙂

 

[lisi326]

May I present to you, the match list for the Class of 2012 (by Residency type)

Anesthesiology University of Washington
Anesthesiology Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Anesthesiology University of Washington
Anesthesiology Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Anesthesiology Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Anesthesiology UCLA Medical Center
Anesthesiology UCLA Medical Center
Anesthesiology Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania
Anesthesiology Oregon Health & Science University
Anesthesiology/Research University of California, San Francisco
Army Research Laboratory Department of Defense, Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Child Neurology St. Louis Children's Hospital
Child Neurology University of Pittsburgh Medical Center
Chose to defer postgraduate residency training
Chose to defer postgraduate residency training Clinical Pathology Brigham & Women's Hospital
Deferring residency to enter MPH Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Deferring residency training for Post-doctoral Fellowship in Biomedical Engineering
Deferring residency training for Post-graduate Science
Emergency Medicine Brigham & Women's Hospital
Emergency Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Emergency Medicine George Washington University
Emergency Medicine University of Illinois - St. Francis Medical Ctr
Emergency Medicine University of California, San Francisco – Fresno Program
Emergency Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Emergency Medicine George Washington University
Emergency Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Emergency Medicine University Hospital (Cincinnati)
Emergency Medicine University of Chicago Medical Center
Family Medicine UCLA Medical Center
Family Medicine University of Colorado
Family Medicine Southwest Washington Medical Center
General Surgery Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center
General Surgery Cleveland Clinic Foundation
General Surgery Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania
General Surgery Case Western Reserve/University Hospitals
General Surgery Johns Hopkins Hospital
General Surgery Vanderbilt University Medical Center
General Surgery University of Connecticut Health Center
General Surgery Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania
General Surgery Massachusetts General Hospital
General Surgery Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Internal Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Internal Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Internal Medicine University of Washington
Internal Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Internal Medicine University of California, San Diego Medical Center
Internal Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Internal Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Internal Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Internal Medicine University of Washington
Internal Medicine Ohio State University Medical Center
Internal Medicine Brigham & Women's Hospital
Internal Medicine St. Louis University School of Medicine
Internal Medicine University of Michigan Hospitals
Internal Medicine University of Illinois
Internal Medicine Mercy Hospital (St. Louis)
Internal Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Internal Medicine Northwestern - McGaw Medical Center
Internal Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Internal Medicine McGill University
Internal Medicine Massachusetts General Hospital
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Diagnostic Radiology Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Anesthesiology St. Mary's Health Center (St. Louis) / University of Utah
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Dermatology Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Dermatology Presbyterian Hospital (Dallas) / University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Diagnostic Radiology Barnes-Jewish Hospital / University of Virginia
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Diagnostic Radiology Mount Sinai School of Medicine / University of Illinois
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation Englewood Hospital / UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School Prog
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation St. Vincent Hospital / Harvard Medical School-Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Radiation Oncology Barnes-Jewish Hospital / Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Radiation Oncology Rush University Medical Center / University of Chicago Medical Center
Internal Medicine-Primary University of Washington
Internal Medicine-Primary New York University
Neurological Surgery Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Neurological Surgery University of California, San Francisco
Neurological Surgery University of Washington
Obstetrics and Gynecology New York Presbyterian Hospital-Columbia
Obstetrics and Gynecology University of Texas Southwestern Medical School
Orthopaedic Surgery University of Texas Medical School
Orthopaedic Surgery UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School
Orthopaedic Surgery St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital
Orthopaedic Surgery Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Orthopaedic Surgery Boston University Medical Center
Orthopaedic Surgery Massachusetts General Hospital
Orthopaedic Surgery University of Pittsburgh Medical Center
Orthopaedic Surgery University of Rochester/Strong Memorial Hospital
Otolaryngology University of Utah
Otolaryngology Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Otolaryngology Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Pathology George Washington University
Pathology Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Pathology University of Washington
Pediatrics St. Louis Children's Hospital
Pediatrics Children's Hospital (Philadelphia)
Pediatrics St. Louis Children's Hospital
Pediatrics St. Louis Children's Hospital
Pediatrics St. Louis Children's Hospital
Pediatrics St. Louis Children's Hospital
Pediatrics Northwestern - McGaw Medical Center Pediatrics University of Colorado
Pediatrics St. Louis Children's Hospital
Pediatrics Baylor College of Medicine
Pediatrics Children's Hospital (Philadelphia)
Pediatrics University of North Carolina
Pediatrics-Preliminary / Child Neurology St. Louis Children's Hospital / Children's Hospital (Boston)
Pediatrics-Preliminary / Child Neurology UCLA Medical Center
Pediatrics-Preliminary / Child Neurology Massachusetts General Hospital
Pediatrics-Preliminary / Diagnostic Radiology St. Louis Children's Hospital / Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Pediatrics-Preliminary / Radiation Oncology St. Louis Children's Hospital / Vanderbilt University Medical Center
Plastic Surgery University of Michigan Hospitals
Psychiatry Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Psychiatry UCLA Semel Institute for Neuroscience
Psychiatry Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania Residency Hospital
Transitional Year / Dermatology Mercy Hospital / Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Transitional Year / Diagnostic Radiology Mercy Hospital / Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Transitional Year / Diagnostic Radiology John Peter Smith Hospital / Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Transitional Year / Diagnostic Radiology Flushing Hospital Medical Center / New York University
Transitional Year / Diagnostic Radiology Gundersen Lutheran Medical Foundation / Duke University Medical Center
Transitional Year / Diagnostic Radiology Steward Carney Hospital / Massachusetts General Hospital
Transitional Year / Ophthalmology Resurrection Medical Center / Northwestern - McGaw Medical Center
Transitional Year / Ophthalmology Mercy Hospital / Washington University in St. Louis
Transitional Year / Ophthalmology Mercy Hospital / Washington University in St. Louis
Transitional Year / Ophthalmology St. Vincent's Medical Center / Yale-New Haven Medical Center
Transitional Year / Radiation Oncology Mercy Hospital / Mayo School of Graduate Medical Education
Urology Brigham & Women's Hospital
Urology Barnes-Jewish Hospital

pretty awesome this year 😀

 

[medhopefuls2016]

Pretty intense matchlist...

 

[lockian]

In! YAY!

I'm afraid to go, though, after all the drama I've seen on the last few pages. The last time I got sold on a brand-name and a close-to-number-one school ranking, I ended up miserable for four years. I'm worried it'll be more of the same B.S. you usually get when you have a crop of the highest MCATs in the country all in one place.

Maybe I should just go to one of the other schools I got into which have a close-to-number-one Patient Care rating.

 

[lisi326]

In! YAY!

I'm afraid to go, though, after all the drama I've seen on the last few pages. The last time I got sold on a brand-name and a close-to-number-one school ranking, I ended up miserable for four years. I'm worried it'll be more of the same B.S. you usually get when you have a crop of the highest MCATs in the country all in one place.

Maybe I should just go to one of the other schools I got into which have a close-to-number-one Patient Care rating.

Look, I'm not here to make your decision for you, but I just wanna say this (to you and everyone else): ONE person's perspective on their school is NOT indicative of EVERYONE'S feelings on it. I am willing to bet you could find at least one incredibly miserable student in every single med school across the country, for one reason or another. I said it before, and I'll say it again: my class is amazing. Just as a measure of how close we are, we organize color dress codes for every single final/midterm week we've had - and the vast majority of people actually wear the color. We've had white coat exam, plaid/tye die exam/black exam/fancy hat and dress exam.... today's physio exam was green for St. Paddy's Day. That's solidarity right there. I KNOW that if I were to ever experience any issues, school or personal life-wise, I would have LOTS of people willing to help me - why? Because I HAVE had those issues, and I have had tons of support, even from the most unlikely sources. We really care for each other.

And just so you don't know, I didn't go to an ivy school for undergrad. Or even a top 50. I went to a school where my main topic of conversation with strangers was our drinking stories. So I was incredibly worried when I started here that I was going to be thrown in with a bunch of hoity-toity smart kids with sticks up their butt. And you know what? I couldn't have been more wrong. With few exceptions, we have a very cohesive, supportive, and amazing class - and I firmly believe it's going to stay that way next year, even when they start "grading" us.

*shrug* I mean, do what you're gonna do, but you're gonna miss out on a really awesome experience if you choose not to come here. This place is great, regardless of one (or even a few) people's experiences.

PS - congratulations, either way 🙂 I wish you the best of luck

 

[Cinclus]

Look, I'm not here to make your decision for you, but I just wanna say this (to you and everyone else): ONE person's perspective on their school is NOT indicative of EVERYONE'S feelings on it. I am willing to bet you could find at least one incredibly miserable student in every single med school across the country, for one reason or another. I said it before, and I'll say it again: my class is amazing. Just as a measure of how close we are, we organize color dress codes for every single final/midterm week we've had - and the vast majority of people actually wear the color. We've had white coat exam, plaid/tye die exam/black exam/fancy hat and dress exam.... today's physio exam was green for St. Paddy's Day. That's solidarity right there. I KNOW that if I were to ever experience any issues, school or personal life-wise, I would have LOTS of people willing to help me - why? Because I HAVE had those issues, and I have had tons of support, even from the most unlikely sources. We really care for each other.

And just so you don't know, I didn't go to an ivy school for undergrad. Or even a top 50. I went to a school where my main topic of conversation with strangers was our drinking stories. So I was incredibly worried when I started here that I was going to be thrown in with a bunch of hoity-toity smart kids with sticks up their butt. And you know what? I couldn't have been more wrong. With few exceptions, we have a very cohesive, supportive, and amazing class - and I firmly believe it's going to stay that way next year, even when they start "grading" us.

*shrug* I mean, do what you're gonna do, but you're gonna miss out on a really awesome experience if you choose not to come here. This place is great, regardless of one (or even a few) people's experiences.

PS - congratulations, either way 🙂 I wish you the best of luck

I was interviewing when everyone wore black to an exam. The professor showed us the people taking the test, and he seemed very amused by it. My interview day was awesome.

 

[chronicidal]

what about non-numeric rounding?

lol, I like.

 

[lockian]

Oh, I'm not making any decisions yet.

But the miserable person's experience really struck a cord because... well... I was that really miserable person in undergrad at an elite school where if you talked to the right people you would also get the impression that everyone's super friendly, super nice, and super collaborative.

By the way, my MCAT and GPA are kind of low of WashU, so that makes me feel like I'm starting out at a disadvantage already -- that is, more likely to be at the bottom of the class and hence depressed.

Look, I'm not here to make your decision for you, but I just wanna say this (to you and everyone else): ONE person's perspective on their school is NOT indicative of EVERYONE'S feelings on it. I am willing to bet you could find at least one incredibly miserable student in every single med school across the country, for one reason or another. I said it before, and I'll say it again: my class is amazing. Just as a measure of how close we are, we organize color dress codes for every single final/midterm week we've had - and the vast majority of people actually wear the color. We've had white coat exam, plaid/tye die exam/black exam/fancy hat and dress exam.... today's physio exam was green for St. Paddy's Day. That's solidarity right there. I KNOW that if I were to ever experience any issues, school or personal life-wise, I would have LOTS of people willing to help me - why? Because I HAVE had those issues, and I have had tons of support, even from the most unlikely sources. We really care for each other.

And just so you don't know, I didn't go to an ivy school for undergrad. Or even a top 50. I went to a school where my main topic of conversation with strangers was our drinking stories. So I was incredibly worried when I started here that I was going to be thrown in with a bunch of hoity-toity smart kids with sticks up their butt. And you know what? I couldn't have been more wrong. With few exceptions, we have a very cohesive, supportive, and amazing class - and I firmly believe it's going to stay that way next year, even when they start "grading" us.

*shrug* I mean, do what you're gonna do, but you're gonna miss out on a really awesome experience if you choose not to come here. This place is great, regardless of one (or even a few) people's experiences.

PS - congratulations, either way 🙂 I wish you the best of luck

 

[DrZaiusDrZaius]

Oh, I'm not making any decisions yet.

But the miserable person's experience really struck a cord because... well... I was that really miserable person in undergrad at an elite school where if you talked to the right people you would also get the impression that everyone's super friendly, super nice, and super collaborative.

Yes, this was my experience in undergrad too, which is why said poster also hit a nerve with me.

However, it's also important to realize that:

1) The squeakiest wheels tend to get the grease/attention--many people who are having an amazing/fulfilling life at WashU will not be posting here, mostly because they're too busy being happy and awesome.

2) When someone writes several long diatribes about how much they hate a school (especially in a thread where applicants are celebrating their acceptance to said school), it's often more about them and whatever axe they have to grind, as opposed to an objective view of the school and its faults. Misery, depression and self-pity can warp our views of a given situation/environment.

3) To a large extent, we are all responsible for our own happiness. I know that in undergrad I was, in many ways, the creator of my own misery, both through my attitude and my lack of involvement with my college community. I'm a good deal more well-adjusted now (having spent a few years after graduation working and figuring out what makes me happy), and I'm pretty confident that I'll be able to piece together a good support system from the student and faculty populations of wherever I end up.

 

[lisi326]

Oh, I'm not making any decisions yet.

But the miserable person's experience really struck a cord because... well... I was that really miserable person in undergrad at an elite school where if you talked to the right people you would also get the impression that everyone's super friendly, super nice, and super collaborative.

By the way, my MCAT and GPA are kind of low of WashU, so that makes me feel like I'm starting out at a disadvantage already -- that is, more likely to be at the bottom of the class and hence depressed.

*shrug* I was the same way, and I'm perfectly fine. I wasn't even a science major - I had never taken biochem, or micro, or genetics, or immuno, or histo - but I came in knowing/accepting that there were going to be plenty of people smarter/more gunner than me - and there definitely are - but being perfectly okay with that, because it meant I got to spend time around incredibly smart and awesome people who I could have mind-blowing conversations with - the way I imagined undergrad/grad school was going to be, and was very wrong - and what do you know, I was actually right this time! I think some of their smartness rubs off on me 🙂

And the poster who said that you make your own happiness was also right (at least imho). Go where you CAN be happy, and DECIDE to be happy before you get there. A lot of med school is approaching it with the right attitude.

 

[TheGreyWarden]

*shrug* I was the same way, and I'm perfectly fine. I wasn't even a science major - I had never taken biochem, or micro, or genetics, or immuno, or histo - but I came in knowing/accepting that there were going to be plenty of people smarter/more gunner than me - and there definitely are - but being perfectly okay with that, because it meant I got to spend time around incredibly smart and awesome people who I could have mind-blowing conversations with - the way I imagined undergrad/grad school was going to be, and was very wrong - and what do you know, I was actually right this time! I think some of their smartness rubs off on me 🙂

And the poster who said that you make your own happiness was also right (at least imho). Go where you CAN be happy, and DECIDE to be happy before you get there. A lot of med school is approaching it with the right attitude.

Also, for what it's worth, the least "impressive" matches on the list above are pretty darn good! They're probably people who wanted to go back home or be in a nicer location. That being said, if you feel that you'd definitely be unhappy in a place where you may not be in the top or middle of your class (even though you're still pretty badass nationally), WashU may not be the best place for you.

But if you do decide to come, I'm sure all of us will do the best we can as your potential future classmates to make you feel at home 🙂

 

[Yui]

Does anyone have any idea what's the EARLIEST a waitlisted student can hear back from the schools? Is it May 15th?

 

[chronicidal]

The claim:

Also, for what it's worth, the least "impressive" matches on the list above are pretty darn good!

The data on a sixth of the graduating class:

Anesthesiology Oregon Health & Science University
Emergency Medicine University of Illinois - St. Francis Medical Ctr
Emergency Medicine University Hospital (Cincinnati)
General Surgery University of Connecticut Health Center
Internal Medicine Ohio State University Medical Center
Internal Medicine St. Louis University School of Medicine
Internal Medicine University of Illinois
Internal Medicine Mercy Hospital (St. Louis)
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Anesthesiology St. Mary's Health Center (St. Louis) / University of Utah
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Diagnostic Radiology Mount Sinai School of Medicine / University of Illinois
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation Englewood Hospital / UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School Prog
Orthopaedic Surgery University of Texas Medical School
Orthopaedic Surgery UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School
Orthopaedic Surgery St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital
Orthopaedic Surgery Boston University Medical Center
Orthopaedic Surgery University of Rochester/Strong Memorial Hospital
Otolaryngology University of Utah
Pathology George Washington University
Pediatrics University of North Carolina

The explanation:

They're probably people who wanted to go back home or be in a nicer location.

Hm.

 

[Cinclus]

Does anyone have any idea what's the EARLIEST a waitlisted student can hear back from the schools? Is it May 15th?

Most will not hear until then, but it's possible to get off the waitlist as soon as people withdraw their acceptances, I would think.

 

[KinasePro]

The claim:


The data on a sixth of the graduating class:


The explanation:


Hm.

Not that it detracts from your point, but Rochester ortho is actually top tier. They rank #1 in NIH funding and are a very competitive program. Jus' sayin.

EDIT: Same goes for EM at Cincinnati.

 

[lisi326]

Not that it detracts from your point, but Rochester ortho is actually top tier. They rank #1 in NIH funding and are a very competitive program. Jus' sayin.

It's also quite possible that not every single person who goes to Wash U is such a gunner about/feels it's completely necessary to go to a top-tier residency. There are a lot of factors that go into choosing a residency, and how awesome they're considered by random people is not necessarily one of them.

 

[ksmi117]

It's also quite possible that not every single person who goes to Wash U is such a gunner about/feels it's completely necessary to go to a top-tier residency. There are a lot of factors that go into choosing a residency, and how awesome they're considered by random people is not necessarily one of them.

Just to add to this, I know at least 3 of the people on that list above were couples matching, so that makes it even harder to match.

 

[TheGreyWarden]

The claim:


The data on a sixth of the graduating class:


The explanation:


Hm.

Chronicidal, I actually wouldn't include any super-competitive specialty in that list. My understanding is that if you're shooting for ortho or ENT, you sort of take what you can get (i.e. if you match, that's great already). Matches I consider to be not very impressive are not in a super-competitive specialty AND not at a top 15 hospital. I count 24 in my list out of ~120 students who went to a residency program (took off the MPHs and such).

Emergency Medicine George Washington University
Emergency Medicine University of Illinois - St. Francis Medical Ctr
Emergency Medicine George Washington University
Emergency Medicine University of Chicago Medical Center
Family Medicine University of Colorado
Family Medicine Southwest Washington Medical Center
General Surgery Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center
General Surgery Case Western Reserve/University Hospitals
General Surgery University of Connecticut Health Center
Internal Medicine University of California, San Diego Medical Center
Internal Medicine Ohio State University Medical Center
Internal Medicine St. Louis University School of Medicine
Internal Medicine University of Illinois
Internal Medicine Mercy Hospital (St. Louis)
Internal Medicine Northwestern - McGaw Medical Center
Internal Medicine McGill University
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Anesthesiology St. Mary's Health Center (St. Louis) / University of Utah
Internal Medicine-Preliminary / Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation Englewood Hospital / UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School Prog
Internal Medicine-Primary New York University
Obstetrics and Gynecology University of Texas Southwestern Medical School
Pathology George Washington University
Pediatrics Northwestern - McGaw Medical Center Pediatrics University of Colorado
Pediatrics Baylor College of Medicine
Pediatrics University of North Carolina

Around 12 on this list are headed to big cities and/or exciting/comfortable places like Chicago, DC, and San Diego. The other 12 are staying in St. Louis (not BJH or Children's) or going to less desirable locations. Our exact count will probably vary b/c this is somewhat subjective. But only about 10% of the 120 who are going to a residency this year ended up... in hospitals that aren't top 15, not in super-competitive specialties, AND in less desirable locations.

EDIT: subtracted "Emergency Medicine University Hospital (Cincinnati)" from the list... sorry if I counted wrong afterward =P

 

[killrforehand]

Congrats to all the acceptees! Here is to waiting 🙂