2012-2013 Saint Louis University Application Thread

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I was offered an interview today for 3/5 but I already have another interview 1000 miles away in Boston on that same day. I called to reschedule but was told there are no other interview dates available. I think I can move the other interview at Tufts to a later date in March, however, I'm worried that It may be detrimental to my chances at Tufts to delay in order to take an interview at SLU which sounds full at this point. Anyone have any advice?
 
No, I don't have any acceptances, and yes, they did ask me. I am very frustrated and pissed off. This was without a doubt my best interview. My interviewer actually said at the end of the interview "I will recommend you as strongly as possible for acceptance." So if I aced the interview and still didn't get in, doesn't that mean my interview had literally ZERO bearing on their decision? So why the hell did they waste my time and $400 for plane and hotel with an invite to interview?

I'm not saying I feel entitled to an acceptance. Just that, unless my interviewer was dishonest with me, they appeared to have invited me to interview with no intention of accepting me.

Just because your interviewer liked you doesn't mean the rest of the ADCOM will.
 
I was offered an interview today for 3/5 but I already have another interview 1000 miles away in Boston on that same day. I called to reschedule but was told there are no other interview dates available. I think I can move the other interview at Tufts to a later date in March, however, I'm worried that It may be detrimental to my chances at Tufts to delay in order to take an interview at SLU which sounds full at this point. Anyone have any advice?

2 interviews is better than 1 imo. I know current students at SLU who were accepted outright from a jan/feb interview. Not sure about march though.
 
Alternate list today. Interviewed 12/17. 30/4.0/4.0 post bac.
 
just interviewed here. not gonna lie, i don't think the campus, facilities, and city are very nice. i am drawn, however, to the friendliness, the pass/fail, and research opportunities.
 
Rejection letter today. Probably the nicest one yet 😛

I'm okay with it though my heart belongs to another school.
 
Also rejected and also okay with it, lol. Good luck everyone!
 
has anyone been rejected pre interview yet? / are they sending out more iis?
 
just interviewed here. not gonna lie, i don't think the campus, facilities, and city are very nice. i am drawn, however, to the friendliness, the pass/fail, and research opportunities.

Yea besides the sim lab and EU, the facilities at SLU aren't great. The city is pretty awesome though.

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just interviewed here. not gonna lie, i don't think the campus, facilities, and city are very nice. i am drawn, however, to the friendliness, the pass/fail, and research opportunities.

Yea besides the sim lab and EU, the facilities at SLU aren't great. The city is pretty awesome though.

The LRC is also nice. And you spend pretty much your entire first year in the EU and second year in the LRC...what else do you guys want? Seriously. A huge majority of your pre-clinical years are spent in nice lecture halls (if you go to class). 3rd and 4th year can be spent pretty much where ever you want. Am I missing something?
 
The LRC is also nice. And you spend pretty much your entire first year in the EU and second year in the LRC...what else do you guys want? Seriously. A huge majority of your pre-clinical years are spent in nice lecture halls (if you go to class). 3rd and 4th year can be spent pretty much where ever you want. Am I missing something?

I love slu, but the lrc is weak compared to many of the other schools I interviewed at. It's definitely better than necessary though.

SLUSOM library and study rooms are also lame compared to others. The new Pius is great though.

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I love slu, but the lrc is weak compared to many of the other schools I interviewed at. It's definitely better than necessary though.

SLUSOM library and study rooms are also lame compared to others. The new Pius is great though.

Not sure what the LRC or study rooms are missing, but I'll take your word for it. And you must not have seen the old lecture halls in the original med school building. That was pretty bad. Luckily, my class was the last class to have lecture in there...
 
Not sure what the LRC or study rooms are missing, but I'll take your word for it. And you must not have seen the old lecture halls in the original med school building. That was pretty bad. Luckily, my class was the last class to have lecture in there...

do medical students have access to the undergrad gym?
 
Dr. Rottnek interviewed me. talking to him really made me like medicine and life a lot more haha great guy, great school 🙂
 
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Why SLU? Why you give me silent treatment all year long?
 
lol at judging SLU by the library study rooms...
 
Not sure what the LRC or study rooms are missing, but I'll take your word for it. And you must not have seen the old lecture halls in the original med school building. That was pretty bad. Luckily, my class was the last class to have lecture in there...

They're not missing anything. Like I said, "It's definitely better than necessary".

lol at judging SLU by the library study rooms...

Not judging SLU by the study rooms. Just saying that the facilities are not as nice/new as other schools. Not that it's a big deal. It is what it is.
 
JDOC,

Could you comment on 3rd year rotations at SLU? I was wondering how the order and location are determined, and how each individual rotation is evaluated?

Btw thanks for all your answers this cycle about the school.
 
JDOC,

Could you comment on 3rd year rotations at SLU? I was wondering how the order and location are determined, and how each individual rotation is evaluated?

Btw thanks for all your answers this cycle about the school.

First off, you're welcome for all the help. Glad to do it.

There are 7 core rotations during the 3rd year (IM, FM, OB/GYN, Surgery, Peds, Neuro, Psych). The curricular affairs office gives you about 50 options to choose from in terms of their order. You submit your preferences for each individual schedule and then a lottery is run to determine which order you get -- usually you get one of your top 3 schedules.

Location depends on the rotation. Many rotations give you a choice of where you can go. There are a number of hospitals in the area that we rotate at. Before each rotation, you put in your preferences for each hospital. You usually get one of your top two choices.

Evaluations also depend on the rotation. Each has their own way for determining your grade. The typical breakdown might be something like 40% from the shelf exam, 40% from evaluations and 20% from small group stuff, etc.
 
A little late on this one, but interviewed on Dec 11, and waitlisted 1/28
 
First off, you're welcome for all the help. Glad to do it.

There are 7 core rotations during the 3rd year (IM, FM, OB/GYN, Surgery, Peds, Neuro, Psych). The curricular affairs office gives you about 50 options to choose from in terms of their order. You submit your preferences for each individual schedule and then a lottery is run to determine which order you get -- usually you get one of your top 3 schedules.

Location depends on the rotation. Many rotations give you a choice of where you can go. There are a number of hospitals in the area that we rotate at. Before each rotation, you put in your preferences for each hospital. You usually get one of your top two choices.

Evaluations also depend on the rotation. Each has their own way for determining your grade. The typical breakdown might be something like 40% from the shelf exam, 40% from evaluations and 20% from small group stuff, etc.

Just adding to JDOC13's post, you can read more about 3rd year, including locations, schedules, grading, etc., here: http://www.slu.edu/curricular-affairs/year-3-information-required-clerkships
 
First off, you're welcome for all the help. Glad to do it.

There are 7 core rotations during the 3rd year (IM, FM, OB/GYN, Surgery, Peds, Neuro, Psych). The curricular affairs office gives you about 50 options to choose from in terms of their order. You submit your preferences for each individual schedule and then a lottery is run to determine which order you get -- usually you get one of your top 3 schedules.

Location depends on the rotation. Many rotations give you a choice of where you can go. There are a number of hospitals in the area that we rotate at. Before each rotation, you put in your preferences for each hospital. You usually get one of your top two choices.

Evaluations also depend on the rotation. Each has their own way for determining your grade. The typical breakdown might be something like 40% from the shelf exam, 40% from evaluations and 20% from small group stuff, etc.

Do you know which clerkship(s) is getting shortened to help make room for the elective? Also how do you feel about the relatively large chunk of time spent in IM/FM/Peds (I think it's currently 26 weeks?) compared to other schools.

Also how does subspecialty selection work, is it lottery?

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Do you know which clerkship(s) is getting shortened to help make room for the elective? Also how do you feel about the relatively large chunk of time spent in IM/FM/Peds (I think it's currently 26 weeks?) compared to other schools.

Also how does subspecialty selection work, is it lottery?

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It looks like SLU trimmed 4 weeks of IM and distributed those weeks between OB Gyn and FM.

Why? No idea.:shrug:

IM shortened by 4 weeks to 8 weeks (previously 12).
OB Gyn adds 2 weeks for 8 weeks total (previously 6).
FM adds 2 weeks for 8 weeks total (previously 6).
 
It looks like SLU trimmed 4 weeks of IM and distributed those weeks between OB Gyn and FM.

Why? No idea.:shrug:

IM shortened by 4 weeks to 8 weeks (previously 12).
OB Gyn adds 2 weeks for 8 weeks total (previously 6).
FM adds 2 weeks for 8 weeks total (previously 6).

What. OB and FM BOTH got longer? My worst nightmare realized...

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What. OB and FM BOTH got longer? My worst nightmare realized...

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Good thing I got rejected :naughty:

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What. OB and FM BOTH got longer? My worst nightmare realized...

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Well, 8 weeks for your nightmare rotations is pretty common.

For example, UCSF (random school I checked) has a similar schedule:
Required third-year Core Clerkships comprise six, 8-week blocks: Family & Community Medicine with Surgical Subspecialties, Medicine, Neurology/Psychiatry, Obstetrics & Gynecology, Pediatrics, and Surgery.
 
It looks like SLU trimmed 4 weeks of IM and distributed those weeks between OB Gyn and FM.

Why? No idea.:shrug:

IM shortened by 4 weeks to 8 weeks (previously 12).
OB Gyn adds 2 weeks for 8 weeks total (previously 6).
FM adds 2 weeks for 8 weeks total (previously 6).

Looks like OB Gyn and FM both include 2 weeks for "career exploration". Anyone able to shed some light on what that means exactly? It would seem as if the 4 weeks were trimmed off IM to allow for these 4 weeks of "career exploration".

I guess I can see why 12 weeks of IM might be a bit much for some people (I think that's longer than most schools), since it's supposedly a pretty tough rotation. Maybe this reasoning sparked the change?
 
Do you know which clerkship(s) is getting shortened to help make room for the elective? Also how do you feel about the relatively large chunk of time spent in IM/FM/Peds (I think it's currently 26 weeks?) compared to other schools.

Also how does subspecialty selection work, is it lottery?

Looks like OB Gyn and FM both include 2 weeks for "career exploration". Anyone able to shed some light on what that means exactly? It would seem as if the 4 weeks were trimmed off IM to allow for these 4 weeks of "career exploration".

I guess I can see why 12 weeks of IM might be a bit much for some people (I think that's longer than most schools), since it's supposedly a pretty tough rotation. Maybe this reasoning sparked the change?

Prior to the curriculum change, we had 4 weeks of outpatient IM (incorporated into the 12 weeks of IM) in addition to 6 weeks of FM, which was basically the same as the outpatient IM experience. That's 10 weeks of outpatient, which was too much. So the 4 weeks of outpatient IM was cut, in favor of elective time, which will be added on to FM (2 weeks) and OB/GYN (2 weeks). It seems that FM and OB/GYN will both remain as 6 weeks rotations, but students will also be able to do 2-week electives during them. This will help students determine which specialty they prefer, particularly at an earlier time during med school. Personally, that makes sense, since we don't have much opportunity for elective time before the fourth year (when you should have already chosen your specialty).

Not sure how subspecialty selection will work, but if the third year consists of 26 2-week blocks and there are 175 third year medical students and each student gets 2 2-week elective blocks, that's about 13 students on elective at any one time, if my math is correct. Shouldn't be too hard to place them in their desired electives.

Lastly, to quote Dr. Slavin on the new changes: "The plan, as many of you probably know, originated with four fourth-year medical students and received overwhelming support from the classes that it was presented to (e.g. 96% of graduating students supported the plan last year)."
 
Prior to the curriculum change, we had 4 weeks of outpatient IM (incorporated into the 12 weeks of IM) in addition to 6 weeks of FM, which was basically the same as the outpatient IM experience. That's 10 weeks of outpatient, which was too much. So the 4 weeks of outpatient IM was cut, in favor of elective time, which will be added on to FM (2 weeks) and OB/GYN (2 weeks). It seems that FM and OB/GYN will both remain as 6 weeks rotations, but students will also be able to do 2-week electives during them. This will help students determine which specialty they prefer, particularly at an earlier time during med school. Personally, that makes sense, since we don't have much opportunity for elective time before the fourth year (when you should have already chosen your specialty).

Not sure how subspecialty selection will work, but if the third year consists of 26 2-week blocks and there are 175 third year medical students and each student gets 2 2-week elective blocks, that's about 13 students on elective at any one time, if my math is correct. Shouldn't be too hard to place them in their desired electives.

Lastly, to quote Dr. Slavin on the new changes: "The plan, as many of you probably know, originated with four fourth-year medical students and received overwhelming support from the classes that it was presented to (e.g. 96% of graduating students supported the plan last year)."


Is it safe to assume that the 6-weeks of FM will be consecutive? For example, 2-week elective, then 6-weeks of FM or vice versa and not 3-weeks FM, 2-week elective, then the last 3 weeks of FM? The latter seems like it might create problems for shelf prep.
 
Prior to the curriculum change, we had 4 weeks of outpatient IM (incorporated into the 12 weeks of IM) in addition to 6 weeks of FM, which was basically the same as the outpatient IM experience. That's 10 weeks of outpatient, which was too much. So the 4 weeks of outpatient IM was cut, in favor of elective time, which will be added on to FM (2 weeks) and OB/GYN (2 weeks). It seems that FM and OB/GYN will both remain as 6 weeks rotations, but students will also be able to do 2-week electives during them. This will help students determine which specialty they prefer, particularly at an earlier time during med school. Personally, that makes sense, since we don't have much opportunity for elective time before the fourth year (when you should have already chosen your specialty).

Not sure how subspecialty selection will work, but if the third year consists of 26 2-week blocks and there are 175 third year medical students and each student gets 2 2-week elective blocks, that's about 13 students on elective at any one time, if my math is correct. Shouldn't be too hard to place them in their desired electives.

Lastly, to quote Dr. Slavin on the new changes: "The plan, as many of you probably know, originated with four fourth-year medical students and received overwhelming support from the classes that it was presented to (e.g. 96% of graduating students supported the plan last year)."

It's great to see that if the students want something changed, the administration is receptive.
 
Is it safe to assume that the 6-weeks of FM will be consecutive? For example, 2-week elective, then 6-weeks of FM or vice versa and not 3-weeks FM, 2-week elective, then the last 3 weeks of FM? The latter seems like it might create problems for shelf prep.

No idea. But shouldn't really matter that much. Most of your shelf prep comes once you leave the hospital anyway. If you have an easy elective, then you will actually get more shelf prep time.
 
No idea. But shouldn't really matter that much. Most of your shelf prep comes once you leave the hospital anyway. If you have an easy elective, then you will actually get more shelf prep time.

Yea good point. You're an M4 right? Are you hoping to match at SLU?

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Hi y'all, I have a question for anyone who interviewed.

I know I should have called admissions to figure this out, but its too late now cus I interview on monday. So I was wondering if interviewee's have to arrive at 8 AM for anything (like greeting, breakfast) or just arrive for their interview? (mine is in the afternoon, so before lunch my schedule on the portal is empty, so I was assuming I just have to show up in time for lunch? This was how they do interviews at another place interviewed).

Thanks in advance!

EDIT: some small details i left out
 
boo just realized i have been silently rejected since their portal says they interview through march annnnd... drumrollll i would have received an ii by now if i got one. goodbye slu!
 
Hi y'all, I have a question for anyone who interviewed.

I know I should have called admissions to figure this out, but its too late now cus I interview on monday. So I was wondering if interviewee's have to arrive at 8 AM for anything (like greeting, breakfast) or just arrive for their interview? (mine is in the afternoon, so before lunch my schedule on the portal is empty, so I was assuming I just have to show up in time for lunch? This was how they do interviews at another place interviewed).

Thanks in advance!

EDIT: some small details i left out

That's correct. Just show up for whatever is the first thing on your schedule.
 
I know I should have called admissions to figure this out, but its too late now cus I interview on monday. So I was wondering if interviewee's have to arrive at 8 AM for anything (like greeting, breakfast) or just arrive for their interview? (mine is in the afternoon, so before lunch my schedule on the portal is empty, so I was assuming I just have to show up in time for lunch? This was how they do interviews at another place interviewed).

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13631607&postcount=1338
 
Hmmmm, I just found out through looking at the second look weekend thread that SLU has it this week.... How come I never got an invitation? I was accepted the first week of November and sent in a deposit not soon after...
 
Hmmmm, I just found out through looking at the second look weekend thread that SLU has it this week.... How come I never got an invitation? I was accepted the first week of November and sent in a deposit not soon after...

Read the last couple pages. Apparently, it's for just for URMs.
 
Thanks to all who replied tommy question! It was super helpful 🙂 I got to sleep in haha
 
To clarify, yes, Saint Louis has rough areas (hence my caveat about North City, North County, etc.) like any other big city. And yes, it changes within blocks... you just have to be smart about where you go.

As far as the pass/fail goes, you are still TECHNICALLY ranked the first two years, but honestly, the only reason that matters for anything is if you're shooting for AOA (and that's not purely grade based... it's based on leadership, your relationship with the administration, and grades... and clinical grades are weighted to count as 2/3 of that). Your rank in the class is never released to residency directors or anyone else. It is a 100% internal ranking system. The class of 2013 was not purely pass-fail (they were the first class without "grades" and they were working out kinks)... they were on a pass-fail curve where a few people would still fail each class just based on the nature of the system. The class of 2014 (my class) and on were switched over to straight pass-fail where, theoretically, the entire class can pass every class since professors set a minimum point/percentage level that's considered passing. You're never going to completely get rid of gunners in any med school and administration says classes kind of cycle (supposedly every other class is more laid-back), but given that, my class works pretty well together and the atmosphere is fantastic.


I'm not sure if this was already addressed, but even this level of ranking has been removed. The most recent class does not have 3rd year AOA. AOA is now determined by your 3rd year rotations as well as step 1 score. We are told our score on our exams, and we are told the mean, but there is no "rank," and the system is pass fail. Most recently, we had a class with quizzes where you needed a 50% to get all of the points on the quiz. There are gunners, but nothing like the gunners I had in undergrad. I don't think they can make this system very much more pass fail. Why are they doing this? There seems to be a consensus that first year grades don't matter very much. Second year is important, but more so for step 1 preparation. Therefore, they want to give us the opportunity to be more active in extracurriculars. In general, I think this has been very successful.
 
How does the alternate list work? Are they continuously reviewing those applications, or is there only news after May or so?
 
How does the alternate list work? Are they continuously reviewing those applications, or is there only news after May or so?

Applicants are ranked, so I would think continual review is limited. They'll just start accepting people at the top of the alternate list. But there might be another review if you send in a significant update? Don't expect any movement before 5/15.
 
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