2016-2017 Cleveland Clinic (Lerner) Application Thread

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PeruvianMD said:
I also want to know... I already did the host match for the university program. Do we have to email our hosts for CCLCM?
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Missed this a while back.

Just a general PSA: It's not unreasonable to ask to stay for an additional night if you are doing back-to-back interview days at CCLCM and Case. Please keep in mind that they might say no, though.

Regardless, in light of the money you will have saved, and the time and resources your hosts will have offered to you free of charge: A gift is optional, but sincere gratitude is not.

Staying with two different hosts isn't a bad thing, though I acknowledge it might be a little extra stress, because you can get a perspective on both programs from current students.

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soccerkd said:
About half my class was nontrad, including people who were out of undergrad by 3-4 years. Other classes had people for whom medicine was truly a second profession after a decade of doing something else. They are definitely open to nontrads.

AMCAS makes it difficult sometimes to see what you are currently doing, since the application focuses on what you have accomplished rather than what you will accomplish. This essay simply allows you to make it clear what you are doing during your application year, if it's not already obvious (i.e. finishing up college).
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I have known folks in nearly every class with the exception of the first couple and the ones just starting (although I did meet a few on their interview days and at social events).

Overall, Case is very nontrad friendly. IMHO I'd argue CCLCM is even moreso nomtrad friendly. In fact, Dr Hull at CCLCM (an amazing professor btw) is a prime example; having graduated with his PhD in education prior to attending Casemed before helping design CCLCM.

In fact, the term 'bent arrow' is decades old, and was coined by a CWRU medical school Dean to describe his medical students who 'didn't take a straight path to medicine'.). It's actually a badge of honor in and around Cleveland to be called out as a 'bent arrow'.

P.S. CCLCM loves straight arrows too...

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vc7777 said:
I'm off work for twenty four hours. Just graduated in May. As me anything about Cleveland, Case or Cleveland clinic

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Best place to get dinner with a night in Cleveland?
 
Excellent question.. Cleveland had a ridiculously good food scene for the city size. This is such a broad question though. If i just narrow the question to "dinner on pre-med post interview budget near Cleveland circle" I'd still have to give you a list. Also costs are relative: if you are coming from NYC you will think things are super cheap. Overall the list includes honorable mentions like Happy Dog, Melt, Mama Santa (or almost anything in little Italy). Fairmont Martini and Nighttown would be very high on the list. But I'd need to know your food preferences and mobility, and literally where your are coming from to make a more informed recommendation.

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vc7777 said:
Excellent question.. Cleveland had a ridiculously good food scene for the city size. This is such a broad question though. If i just narrow the question to "dinner on pre-med post interview budget near Cleveland circle" I'd still have to give you a list. Also costs are relative: if you are coming from NYC you will think things are super cheap. Overall the list includes honorable mentions like Happy Dog, Melt, Mama Santa (or almost anything in little Italy). Fairmont Martini and Nighttown would be very high on the list. But I'd need to know your food preferences and mobility, and literally where your are coming from to make a more informed recommendation.

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I'm a CLE native, so I'd love to get in on the food discussion. It really depends what you're in the mood for. Hyde Park Prime Steakhouse is probably the best steak you'll find in Cleveland (pricey, but SO worth it), but you can find good pizza in Little Italy (at any of the places vc7777 mentioned) as well as in Cleveland Heights (a 15 minute drive from Lerner you'll find a small Italian place called Marotta's, and I like their pizza way more than Mama Santa's because it's more NYC-style).

Let me know if you need any additional recommendations.
 
theNDhopeful44 said:
I'm a CLE native, so I'd love to get in on the food discussion. It really depends what you're in the mood for. Hyde Park Prime Steakhouse is probably the best steak you'll find in Cleveland (pricey, but SO worth it), but you can find good pizza in Little Italy (at any of the places vc7777 mentioned) as well as in Cleveland Heights (a 15 minute drive from Lerner you'll find a small Italian place called Marotta's, and I like their pizza way more than Mama Santa's because it's more NYC-style).

Let me know if you need any additional recommendations.
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Vero is a darn good pizza, too, and near campus. Slow service and must dine-in, but worth it. Dewey's pizza isn't too shabby either.

Also Restaurant Week started yesterday, and if any of you are luckily in town in the next couple of weeks...the $30 price fixe options are amazing!



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@theNDhopeful44 @vc7777 thank you guys for the recommendations! I'm gonna be in the city this week so it's nice to coincide with restaurant week. The happy dog seems like heaven to me because there's few things I love more than hot dogs and live music so I think that's what I'll check out!
 
Does anyone know what the post-interview acceptance rate is for CCLCM? ~250 interviewed last year but only 30ish matriculated. Do they accept more than, let's say, 50?


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vc7777 said:
:bump:. I'm on overnight. Ask me anything re: CCLCM. EXCEPT about the perennial rumour that we have a soft-serve frozen yogurt machine in the student lounge free of charge.

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How prepared did you feel for Step 1 considering Lerner doesn't have exams?
 
Good question: I felt as prepared as my traditional counterparts over in the university track basically at all times leading up to our time off to study. Which is to say, we were all feeling equally unprepared. Looking at where the CCLCM curriculum is least tailored to the exam, I'd say it's in areas of rote memorization like drugs and bugs. Really, step 1 is an individual effort, and really you get out what you put in. Having said that, cclcm will not limit your scores.

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Uqbar said:
Does anyone know what the post-interview acceptance rate is for CCLCM? ~250 interviewed last year but only 30ish matriculated. Do they accept more than, let's say, 50?


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About 40-44 are accepted to fill a class of 32. Please see my prior posts in last year's thread.
 
so quick question, i've heard your PI will be called before you're officially offered an acceptance? what does this entail? also, will it be a call to your current PI or the PI you've worked most meaningfully with?
 
So...any thoughts on whether it's too late to apply to either program? 😀
 
sammiesings said:
so quick question, i've heard your PI will be called before you're officially offered an acceptance? what does this entail? also, will it be a call to your current PI or the PI you've worked most meaningfully with?
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Im curious about this too....
 
sammiesings said:
so quick question, i've heard your PI will be called before you're officially offered an acceptance? what does this entail? also, will it be a call to your current PI or the PI you've worked most meaningfully with?
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Huh? We didn't hear anything about that when I interviewed here a few weeks ago.
 
If you read last year's thread, it appears that they call PIs before extending offers of acceptance. I'm also wondering the logistics of this since there's a good chance my PI will be abroad i they were to try to contact her...
 
sammiesings said:
so quick question, i've heard your PI will be called before you're officially offered an acceptance? what does this entail? also, will it be a call to your current PI or the PI you've worked most meaningfully with?
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The PI that you worked with extensively or the PI that wrote your recommendation letter will be called before offered an acceptance. Most importantly, we want to verify your commitment to research, discuss your role/involvement in the lab, and to verify what you wrote in your research essay is what you actually did.
 
ed*26 said:
If you read last year's thread, it appears that they call PIs before extending offers of acceptance. I'm also wondering the logistics of this since there's a good chance my PI will be abroad i they were to try to contact her...
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Don't worry. We'll discuss with someone from the lab.
 
How useful would it be to write a letter of intent to CCLCM? It is absolutely 100% my top choice (I interviewed early) and I want the school to know that but I'm not sure when I should send it. Should I wait until after the first round of decisions go out or can I do it before? (Is that too desperate?)


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adcom101 said:
The PI that you worked with extensively or the PI that wrote your recommendation letter will be called before offered an acceptance. Most importantly, we want to verify your commitment to research, discuss your role/involvement in the lab, and to verify what you wrote in your research essay is what you actually did.
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thank you for the clarification and information!
 
supernervouspremed said:
How useful would it be to write a letter of intent to CCLCM? It is absolutely 100% my top choice (I interviewed early) and I want the school to know that but I'm not sure when I should send it. Should I wait until after the first round of decisions go out or can I do it before? (Is that too desperate?)


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In short, it's nice but won't really change or influence the decision making process at this juncture.

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theNDhopeful44 said:
How prepared did you feel for Step 1 considering Lerner doesn't have exams?
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Just want to echo my learned colleague's, @vc7777, comment.

Honestly, prior to beginning studying for the exam, I don't know many med students at any school who feel "prepared". Most of that is just that the exam questions phrase things in a way that makes it difficult to immediately apply one's knowledge base without some practice. But I don't think we start from any different position than any other med student, and with no grades and no tests the first 2 years, I felt much less stressed getting to that position and still never really had too much anxiety with regards to the exam. Ultimately the results speak for themselves - students do very, very well on the test.
 
Please ignore my extreme ignorance as it pertains to this question.

I applied to this program because, among other things, it seemed like an awesome medical education for a career in academic medicine. I just recently got an interview, so I decided to look into the school more than I did when I was throwing together my school list. Now it really seems to good to be true, but do all Lerner students receive a full scholarship that covers all tuition and fees???? If so, this has got to be the most amazing-desirable-great-awesome program in the country. IM SO PUMPED TO INTERVIEW
 
Question: will CCLCM only call the PI's of students they plan on accepting? Or will they call every student's PI who interviewed? @adcom101
 
alcoholdehydrogenase69 said:
Please ignore my extreme ignorance as it pertains to this question.

I applied to this program because, among other things, it seemed like an awesome medical education for a career in academic medicine. I just recently got an interview, so I decided to look into the school more than I did when I was throwing together my school list. Now it really seems to good to be true, but do all Lerner students receive a full scholarship that covers all tuition and fees???? If so, this has got to be the most amazing-desirable-great-awesome program in the country. IM SO PUMPED TO INTERVIEW
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Yeah! you only have to pay for your living expenses! its such an awesome program
 
Hi all, I have an interview at CCLCM coming up and was hoping to hear from someone who already interviewed what the interviews are like? Are they asking scripted questions? Just asking about our experiences/research? A mix? Any input so I have an idea of what to expect would be much appreciated!
 
Grid93 said:
Hi all, I have an interview at CCLCM coming up and was hoping to hear from someone who already interviewed what the interviews are like? Are they asking scripted questions? Just asking about our experiences/research? A mix? Any input so I have an idea of what to expect would be much appreciated!
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It's a mix. There are some scripted questions, which are asked to see how you work in a team. At least that was my experience.
 
What exactly does this group activity consist of? Is it like a discussion/PBL kind of thing?
 
Sorry for all these questions but what exactly are scripted questions? Like the stereotypical interview questions?
 
More like 'standardized questions'. There are only a few on interview day. They give applicants from very diverse educational, cultural, experiential, and research backgrounds a shot at answering the same set of questions, similar to how the MCAT evaluates applicants from schools with varied grading policies in a more objective way.

Our school takes pride in performing a very personal, very in-depth interview and application review. Also note that not everyone has the same interviewers. As such, no two interviews are alike. The downside to this is: no two interviews are alike.

These questions are quite innocuous, non-technical, and not meant to trip anyone up.

I ask that people don't share the standardized questions. Sounding like you have a canned answer for any of them reflects negatively, in my opinion.
 
Just curious, does anyone know how many applications CCLCM gets each year? I don't believe it is on MSAR. Also, would it be safe to say that this is the only fully "funded" MD program in the country? (essentially tuition free)
 
alcoholdehydrogenase69 said:
Just curious, does anyone know how many applications CCLCM gets each year? I don't believe it is on MSAR. Also, would it be safe to say that this is the only fully "funded" MD program in the country? (essentially tuition free)
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Over 2000 applied for 32 seats. Only 250 are interviewed. One advice I give to everyone interviewing: review your secondary essays. Anything that you've written on is fair game.
 
adcom101 said:
Over 2000 applied for 32 seats. Only 250 are interviewed. One advice I give to everyone interviewing: review your secondary essays. Anything that you've written on is fair game.
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The email I got for my II said that they were interviewing less people this cycle which meant every interviewee had a better chance of acceptance.
 
Point of clarification: "Scheduling fewer interview slots" doesn't necessarily mean interviewing fewer people.
 
alabamaJones said:
Point of clarification: "Scheduling fewer interview slots" doesn't necessarily mean interviewing fewer people.
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true. but the email still says that this gives better chance of acceptance... I dont get how
 
PeruvianMD said:
true. but the email still says that this gives better chance of acceptance... I dont get how
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I have a feeling by slots they mean spots - since they said it gives a better chance of acceptance.
 
Is there any news on the possible date of the first round of acceptance calls in December? I'm dying


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gryph1 said:
I have a feeling by slots they mean spots - since they said it gives a better chance of acceptance.
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I've not responded to this because I find it an odd thing for them to point out. I'm on nightfloat and can't sleep right now... So here's a quick rant.

This concept doesn't jive with me, so here are my thoughts. My take is a little bit different. First off, people seem to conflate 'percentage accepted' with a sort of "probability of acceptance" metric. Your "chances" are not dependent on the other number of applicants interviewing. This isn't a random lottery wherein your names are thrown in a hat and 32 are selected. If that were the case, then yes, you could calculate your chances with nothing more than knowing how many are accepted and how many interview. But the whole point of this process is to select a very specific type of applicant. In fact, in an ideal world, if the same pool of applicants interviewed 100 times, the exact same subgroup of people would be accepted each time. Or put another way, the interview process is meant to be the LEAST random way of selecting students! In light of this, saying "10% are accepted" (or whatever it may turn out to be) really doesn't mean much. This is because the group stats (about the entire applicant pool) don't apply to the individual (applicants). And for those interested in this common logical mistake, they should look up the "ecological fallacy".

[And now, I'll talk myself in circles because this is the middle of the night for me]

Having said all that... I understand what they are trying to say in a roundabout way. If you assume they offer interviews to the most qualified applicants first, then they are implying that their criteria for inviting to interview is now slightly stricter. [Spot the ecological fallacy...] Meaning they will offer fewer interviews to applicants who, on the whole, will be more likely to be accepted [that sounds like a group statistic, wait for it...]. The implication is: the stricter criteria for inviting to interview makes each individual more likely to be accepted [hmmm... Sounds like a fallacy].

Of course this all assumes the pool of applicants/interviewees are both sufficiently large as compared to the number accepted. Clearly as they approach a very small size, the likelihood of being accepted approaches 100%.

My main takeaway is that you all should focus on interviewing the best you can. The outcome is really up to you and independent of your peers. Don't be intimidated by the stats of the group of interviewees. Best of luck!

[Now I'm sure there's a Baysean approach to this situation that might refute what I've said, and I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts on that, but I can't for the life of me figure it out right now post-call.]

tl;dr: This is like going to the bar with a group of friends in search of a mate: Taking your ugly friend doesn't make you more attractive nor does taking your hot friend make you less attractive. Your success is mostly independent of the group around you. [However, all bets are off if it's closing time at the bar when there are only few people left to pick from, because all the rules go out the window.] Don't worry about your friends. Be yourself and go out there and let 'em see that. Go get 'em tiger!
 
supernervouspremed said:
Is there any news on the possible date of the first round of acceptance calls in December? I'm dying


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December 6 is the first ranking meeting meaning that the first 16 acceptances for this cycle should get a call about a week after that. The second ranking meeting is Feb 7, 2017. Please see my posts from last year as I explained what this all means.
 
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