2020-2021 Kaiser (Tyson)

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healerintraining said:
Should we be expecting another round of decisions this week?
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Hey, I really hope so! 🙂 I did not hear about any decisions last Wednesday and I am pretty nervous. I interviewed 11/10 and I think decisions come out every two weeks on Wednesdays. So, I thought decisions came out last Wednesday 12/2 and two weeks before going back to 11/18 and 11/04. This is what I remember from reading this thread a couple weeks ago.
 
Do you all think they sent out acceptances last Wednesday but the students don't use SDN? They seemed to be on an "every other Wednesday" pattern... Ughhh this is a school I'm dying to hear back from! I'll probably have to wait until March 😵
 
pcvtomd21 said:
Do you all think they sent out acceptances last Wednesday but the students don't use SDN? They seemed to be on an "every other Wednesday" pattern... Ughhh this is a school I'm dying to hear back from! I'll probably have to wait until March 😵
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I think the "other Wednesday" would be this Wednesday, (12/16)!
 
I’m glad someone has posted about this. It’s been very frustrating with how the leadership team has treated the Dr. Khoury situation and the students are definitely fighting for Dr. Khoury and making sure that this wrong is corrected and that Kaiser lives up to its equity, inclusion, and diversity mission which is a reason I chose to go to this school
 
XKEJUN246 said:
I’m glad someone has posted about this. It’s been very frustrating with how the leadership team has treated the Dr. Khoury situation and the students are definitely fighting for Dr. Khoury and making sure that this wrong is corrected and that Kaiser lives up to its equity, inclusion, and diversity mission which is a reason I chose to go to this school
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Would you be able to speak more about this situation? It's very confusing from the limited information published on twitter and in the petition. Where can we, potential matriculants, find more info?
 
I think we should be careful about jumping to conclusions. I'd like to add that during my interview day, the students and the Dean both brought up these issues. The students still believe in Kaiser's mission of inclusion, diversity, equity and are speaking up about these issues. The Dean mentioned that there is a lot of misinformation out there and that the school has been unable to speak about the issues due to legal reasons. However, they will eventually make the reasons public after things are resolved. He assured us that the reasons for the firing don't have to do with race/ethnicity and KP still advocates for everything they say in their mission statement. So I think we shouldn't be quick to make judgements yet until we know all the facts of the situation.
 
mindstirfry said:
I think we should be careful about jumping to conclusions. I'd like to add that during my interview day, the students and the Dean both brought up these issues. The students still believe in Kaiser's mission of inclusion, diversity, equity and are speaking up about these issues. The Dean mentioned that there is a lot of misinformation out there and that the school has been unable to speak about the issues due to legal reasons. However, they will eventually make the reasons public after things are resolved. He assured us that the reasons for the firing don't have to do with race/ethnicity and KP still advocates for everything they say in their mission statement. So I think we shouldn't be quick to make judgements yet until we know all the facts of the situation.
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Totally hear you. Agreed that we do not know all of the facts. We can, however, move accordingly with what we do know — a Black woman physician taught students on race and racism in medicine as she was asked to and later that night, per her tweets, had her license revoked.

There are countless cases of non-Black/non-POC physicians & educators spewing racist, anti-Black, anti-Indigenous ideologies in the classroom and in their clinical practice with only a simple slap on the wrist. No license revoked. The dean "assuring" you that this case is irrespective of race or racism is not only unsubstantiated as implicit bias seeps through every facet of life but also genuinely hard to believe?

Your rhetoric is eerily similar to that of a lot of folks who want all of the facts before condemning a cop for killing Black people. Surely, if Dr. Khoury had done something harmful in the classroom, the reprimand could have been a lot less dire than a license revocation. They reinstated her license but that is merely publicity. What is not addressed is the aftermath and gravity of her working for/with an institution that was so quick to reduce her to nothing.
 
This just doesn't sound right...

Why would they ask Dr. Khoury to talk about bias and racial disparities and then revoke her patient care and teaching privileges? This makes absolutely zero sense, and I would be very reluctant to believe it's because she simply spoke about anti-racism. There's something critical we don't know here and Dean Schuster also went on record in saying that the Twitter information is utterly false.
 
DoctorMelanin said:
Totally hear you. Agreed that we do not know all of the facts. We can, however, move accordingly with what we do know — a Black woman physician taught students on race and racism in medicine as she was asked to and later that night, per her tweets, had her license revoked.

There are countless cases of non-Black/non-POC physicians & educators spewing racist, anti-Black, anti-Indigenous ideologies in the classroom and in their clinical practice with only a simple slap on the wrist. No license revoked. The dean "assuring" you that this case is irrespective of race or racism is not only unsubstantiated as implicit bias seeps through every facet of life but also genuinely hard to believe?

Your rhetoric is eerily similar to that of a lot of folks who want all of the facts before condemning a cop for killing Black people. Surely, if Dr. Khoury had done something harmful in the classroom, the reprimand could have been a lot less dire than a license revocation. They reinstated her license but that is merely publicity. What is not addressed is the aftermath and gravity of her working for/with an institution that was so quick to reduce her to nothing.
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I understand you, those are all great points! I agree that we need to stay hyper-vigilant and critical of institutions and their biases. I'm not saying KP nor the physician are in the right or the wrong; I frankly don't know enough about what went down. All I'm saying is that we ought to give an institution that is supposedly a "champion for equity" a chance to explain their actions before we place judgement. I like to think that as future physicians, we are better than cancel culture. Or maybe that's the optimist in me that is hoping KP is what they claim they are :/
 
7summers said:
Would you be able to speak more about this situation? It's very confusing from the limited information published on twitter and in the petition. Where can we, potential matriculants, find more info?
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That’s the thing there is limited information and I don’t know everything because a lot of things are hush hush and hidden behind “legal reasons” as a person stated below from the Dean. We have Town Hall tomorrow and I’m hoping we get real answers
 
DoctorMelanin said:
Totally hear you. Agreed that we do not know all of the facts. We can, however, move accordingly with what we do know — a Black woman physician taught students on race and racism in medicine as she was asked to and later that night, per her tweets, had her license revoked.

There are countless cases of non-Black/non-POC physicians & educators spewing racist, anti-Black, anti-Indigenous ideologies in the classroom and in their clinical practice with only a simple slap on the wrist. No license revoked. The dean "assuring" you that this case is irrespective of race or racism is not only unsubstantiated as implicit bias seeps through every facet of life but also genuinely hard to believe?

Your rhetoric is eerily similar to that of a lot of folks who want all of the facts before condemning a cop for killing Black people. Surely, if Dr. Khoury had done something harmful in the classroom, the reprimand could have been a lot less dire than a license revocation. They reinstated her license but that is merely publicity. What is not addressed is the aftermath and gravity of her working for/with an institution that was so quick to reduce her to nothing.
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DoctorMelanin said:
Totally hear you. Agreed that we do not know all of the facts. We can, however, move accordingly with what we do know — a Black woman physician taught students on race and racism in medicine as she was asked to and later that night, per her tweets, had her license revoked.

There are countless cases of non-Black/non-POC physicians & educators spewing racist, anti-Black, anti-Indigenous ideologies in the classroom and in their clinical practice with only a simple slap on the wrist. No license revoked. The dean "assuring" you that this case is irrespective of race or racism is not only unsubstantiated as implicit bias seeps through every facet of life but also genuinely hard to believe?

Your rhetoric is eerily similar to that of a lot of folks who want all of the facts before condemning a cop for killing Black people. Surely, if Dr. Khoury had done something harmful in the classroom, the reprimand could have been a lot less dire than a license revocation. They reinstated her license but that is merely publicity. What is not addressed is the aftermath and gravity of her working for/with an institution that was so quick to reduce her to nothing.
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I would like to correct some things here. Dr. khoury never had her license revoked. She was truly on suspension from both clinical and the medical school. After 6 weeks she was taken off suspension on the clinical side of KP meaning she can resume her physician duties. the issue I and the students have is that from the beginning we were given the go around on how to help Dr. Khoury and get her back. We tried to solve this internally by writing emails to the Dean and those involved in the investigation with vague responses or none at all. Dr. Khoury was also not reachable for confirmation of her story. Reading her tweets were enlightening but still don’t allow for complete putting together of the puzzle pieces because students who had her were told she was taken out of the classroom because she “deviated from the session slides.” Us students are hoping to get actual answers from the leadership team, and not them hiding behind “legal reasons, labor laws, and HR.” If nothing satisfactory happens we have other plans in place to get our voice out there that will hopefully result in Dr. Khoury being reinstated.

Now, the other commenters are correct in that the students on the interview panel today are very upset, but at the same time still hopeful for KP’s EID mission because that mission becomes a reality through the students and faculty. I know that I, personally, and other students will continue to fight for KP to be the school they told us it will be
 
XKEJUN246 said:
That’s the thing there is limited information and I don’t know everything because a lot of things are hush hush and hidden behind “legal reasons” as a person stated below from the Dean. We have Town Hall tomorrow and I’m hoping we get real answers
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Thanks I understand! Whatever you find out and are able to share would be very much appreciated. There's already a huge lack of transparency in this application process, an accusation as large as this should be properly voiced to potential students, and time is very sensitive for us right now. Thank you!
 
Does anyone know if all acceptances in a day go out in one wave?
 
premonist said:
Congrats to all.

meanwhile, interview 09.01 and I’ve given up hope :’)
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I interviewed 11/10 and definitely feeling the sting, though that’s amazing for everyone who got in!
What are people’s thoughts on writing a letter of intent? I hear most schools just throw these in your file and never look at them, but I’m unsure what else to do at this point!
 
Also, anyone who’s been accepted, are you swayed by the recent statements from Dr. Khoury ? I.e. are more/ less likely to attend due to the allegations against KP?
 
Congrats everyone! I also would've been in this wave I guess (11/17) so a little sad today lol. Does this mean we are still being reviewed until march or those who didn't hear today are probs soft-Rd in march and now they are reviewing the more recent interviewees for each wave?
 
mlua1811 said:
@XKEJUN246 any updates you are able to share from today's town hall?
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Dr. khoury’s investigation will come to a close by the start of the new semester (Jan 4th) and with that comes a public statement and based on the findings possibly a public apology to Dr. Khoury. They are still saying they cannot disclose anything because the investigation is ongoing. The leadership team is now very aware of the student position, faculty position, and we will continue to fight for Dr. Khoury and to have her voice heard. Her tweets were even read out by a student at the beginning to make sure her voice is heard.
 
ergotfungus said:
Literally same 9/8 and gave up hope a long time ago (esp given the low post-II A rate lol) but its all good
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Me too. I wonder how many people they're interviewing. Our day had like 25 people and they do an interview every week... For 50 spots.
 
Dont give up hope yet, if I remember properly one of the students I met at the interview said she had interviewed around the end of August or September but recieved an acceptance at March. OR Maybe I am hallucinating to make myself feel better😢
 
ergotfungus said:
Literally same 9/8 and gave up hope a long time ago (esp given the low post-II A rate lol) but its all good
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How do we know the post-II A rate is low? Is there a stat floating around somewhere that I haven’t seen?
 
pi0930 said:
How do we know the post-II A rate is low? Is there a stat floating around somewhere that I haven’t seen?
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I believe the stat was that last year was that they interviewed 950 to ~1000 for about 100 acceptances (although one current student thought it was like 70 acceptances). There was early interviewer from this thread who said that the dean stated that KP would interview fewer this cycle. However, it seems like they're still interviewing around a 1000 based on the frequency of interviews with 25+ people. I asked at my interview and they said they weren't allowed to say the number of interviews they would be giving this cycle. Anecdotally, very few have been accepted on this thread.
 
pi0930 said:
How do we know the post-II A rate is low? Is there a stat floating around somewhere that I haven’t seen?
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Last year they interviewed around 700 for 50 spots, so maybe 100 As total. On my interview day they said they would be interviewing a similar number this cycle 😢
 
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